What of when they were carrying naomi's body to the heliocopter and a comment was made "thats not naomi, its just meat?

That means that Naomi is dead. Her spirit has left her body. All that remains is skin and bones. And meat.

Having read the theories - I am glad the writer's strike is over! Maybe they can tie all the pieces together. It seems each theory makes sense as long as it is isolated from the entire show. Yet when the theories are tested with the whole field of data - they don't pan out.

One example - if the four newbies are Darma children - how would they have escaped or known about Ben's diabolical actions?

One other question, did Damon where pants during the strike?

Ben's man on the freighter has name name.

The initials are M.D.

Michael Dawson?

when i saw the desert polar bear bing dug up i thought the explanation was that it wasnt bread in that country at all, that polar bear is the one that soyer shot.

im pretty sure that the island is so far in the past that dharma and the origional hostiles were the (due to time travel)first humans on earth, so now that the losties are on the island they are in the same time-zone and years and years later, when the continents had drifted apart people find a polar bear skeleton where it shouldnt be.....

Man, with all the new content, these theories are making my head hurt.

Lost can go in so many different directions now.

I disagree with BK, I don't think they are stuck in a time loop. Walt is bigger because the actor playing him has grown up a lot in 4 years. Locke even says that he's taller (which I think is a nod to the over zealous viewer).
Lapidus could have easily opened a shop in 90 days, you might not want to be a pilot either after the plane you were supposed to be piloting had crashed.
Also, if you look at pictures from Season One, people's hair is significantly longer (esp Sun).

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All of these theories are interesting and more than one may be correct, but I think we've missed a key question: when was Flight 815 found?

The flashbacks for the Freighter Four all take place around the time the wreckage turns up on the bottom of the ocean. One of the flashbacks was for Lapidus, the would-be pilot of 815, who seems to have let himself go and started a new life in the time since the flight crashed. This is setting off *serious* alarms in my head. Consider the time it would take to assemble the team, sail the freighter into the island's vicinity and start looking for it. They succeed in finding it about 90 days after the crash, so they must have started looking some time before this. So the wreckage must have been (accidentally) found some time before that. And Lapidus must have moved to the Bahamas and started growing his beard out some time before that.

Anyone else freaked about about this? Because it's looking like a series of events that can't neatly fit into 90 days.

My take on this: Charlotte's Narnian name reference is a clue. Time moves faster off-island than on it. Walt really has aged a couple years because he's off the island. The wreckage was found a few *years* after the crash. And I suspect that the reason for all this is the failsafe in the Swan station. I bet the reason pushing the button was preferable to using the failsafe is that the failsafe detached the island from the rest of the world in time.

A) The "freighter four" didn't want to come to the island, they were assembled and sent there my Mr. Abaddon.

B) The castaways aren't dead. The creators have stated it, and if they were dead, how would people on the island continue to die (Boone, Libby, etc.)? You can't die twice folks.

i agree with boob...

they arent dead and the island hasnt brought them back to life, its impossible because the oceanic 6 are back in the real world in the flashforwards, so for this theory to work jack, hurley, kate and the other 3 would be 'celebraties' because they have been reincarnated, not just plane crash survivors... its too out there.

i think the freighter four are part of dharma, or people conected to dharma (charlotte knew the dharma logo and seemed to enjoy seeing it!) has anybody thought that miles might be connected to marvin candle? its just an add on to the theory that the freighter four are some how related to the island. miles didnt want his last name mentioned which made me think that he knows his dads name might be known to the losties!

Although time travel clearly plays into the whole island mythology I disagree that the island is either “stuck” in time or moving more slowly through time. First, to the argument that the operation would take more than 90 days, we know that the crash was found before Christmas (according to the flight815 game) and I think we can assume it was the same year of the crash. Of course, there wouldn’t be much time to assemble the crew but again, I think we can assume that the people backing the freighter mission (Dharma?) are very well financed and can get what they need quickly (including the freighter four). My second argument is that communication between the freighter and the people on the island via the phone seems unaffected by any kind of time delay.

I think what some people are forgetting is that the team was not sent to the island to find the survivors of flight 815, they were set out to find Ben and just happened to stumble upon 815 survivors. I know that the freighter 4's flashbacks all had info about the crash, but that might not be a major detail right now.

If they were really looking for the island and Ben, then it would fit in the 90 day timeframe and I am not entirely sold that they were flashbacks and not flash forwards last week. It would make a lot of sense as to why Frank knew that wasn't the real plane, why Charlotte was so intrigued by the story line, and why Dan was so emotional when he saw the news footage...just a thought

Is Charolette Ben's girlfriend from his youth? The one who made the dolls? She has obviously been there before based on her excitement in finding the Dharma logo in the desert and when she drops into the water, she emerges smiling like she's happy to be home. Who can say? Best show on TV period!

Dharma was running experaments on the polar bears. Why would you bring a polar bear to a tropical island? To test it's ability to conform to a new climate. What would be the obvious next step? a more extream climate, like a desert!!!!

Did anyone notice that the Dharma Logo was different at the excavation site (polar bear collar) than it is on the island? The island logo is a swan and the collar logo looked like a tree. Could there have been two Dharma initiatives?

that would explain also why sun's belly hasn't gotten any bigger since she announced her pregnancy and why the babies would die on the island.
they can't grow the way normal human babies grow. very good theory i like it!
can't wait to watch the rest.

Dude, if you don't know that there are multiple logos for each of the dharma stations.....wow.

The timeline is tricky, but plausible; Find 815 chapter 3 kinda timestamped that he couldn't make it home for christmas. That would assume it was early december. Naomi landed on the island I believe around Dec. 17th (?). So there could have easily been 2 weeks from the plane discovery til the freighter four landed on the island. 2 weeks is plenty of time to gather four people and fly them onto a ship at sea.

I know it's easy to believe that there's some supernatural explanation for all that we've seen so far but I'm wondering if TPTB are simply leading us astray. I don't think the Losties died. I think the plane that was found is not Oceanic 815. It's a fake; put there by Oceanic Airlines for some unknown reason. Perhaps, members of the Dharma Initiative have infiltrated Oceanic and created this false tale of the plane having been found so as to prevent the island being found. After the Hatch blew up or rather imploded, the island became 'visible'. The biggest clue for me is the fact that the pilot shown on the news report that Lapidis saw, was not wearing his wedding ring. Lapidies said that pilot always wore his wedding ring. For me, this smells like a rat. I don't know. This is one of those mysteries that I hope is answered soon.

Sun's belly hasn't gotten any bigger (amongst other things) because while it may seem like it has been months, maybe even years since we learned of her pregnancy, in the show's timeline, it's only been maybe a week.

Flight 815 crashed roughly 90 days prior to "Confirmed Dead".

Their hair does grow - Season 2 Kate is cutting James Ford's hair on the beach. Snip snip - who would trust that chick with a pair of scissors?

Also, Ben has grown much older on the island - mean while the man he met in the jungle while ben was a boy is the same age now as he was then (only with a HAIR CUT!) I feel a Hair Cut theory coming on! Locke must be in tune with the Island (i.e. knowing when the rain is going to stop or start) because he has the ultimate closeness that the Island/Jacob/Barber of Seville is looking for.

Maybe Faraday was upset about the plane being found because he hoped for it to have crashed on or near the Dharma island and then it turning up no where near the island ruined this hope that oceanic 815 could help lead him / others to the island.

if there's time travel, them dead, space time bubbles, i'll be shitty. The island should just be very hard to find. If helicopters can fly there from ships, boats and places and get to it, then its there. The properties may bend light, radio waves, radar etc around it like a cloaking device. This also some how makes it hard to leave except at the week spot at the heading Michael took.

Naomi said there was nothing there until the clouds parted and she saw the island. you cant detect it until you're there.

the plane being found is curious, but it being found somewhere that a proper investigation cant be done points to it being a coverup, maybe to hide the Dharma island. It could be put there to not complicate the retaking of the island and the huge benefits that will bring the hanso people or whatever. Hence why they dont care about rescuing the people.

I can't help but think that the flashbacks from the freighter people are in a sense flashforwards just like the flashforwards seen from the oceanic six. That they know that there are survivors on the island and when we see them arrive they have in effect travelled back in time... there is a definate time loop thing going on here. I hate trying to explain any time related theory cos i get lost, but basically i think their 'flashbacks' are flashforwards and what motivated them to go to the island is the fact that six of them get off, but they have to lie about it. We don't know how they got off just yet, we don't know it will be the freighter people to get them off, and i don't think it will be. Does this make any sense?

Also, is it possible that Michael is the man inside, that Ben reffered to?

Didn't anyone think it odd that the plane was found near Indonesia, but was supposedly flying from Sydney to the Los Angeles (nowhere near Indonesia)?

Also, I think we now can understand the guilt that was driving Jack to kill himself in the finale last year. I believe what Jack didn't want Hurley to tell anyone is that they somehow got off the island and left the remaining survivors, others, and the freighter four stuck there (maybe they overpowered them and flew their chopper? Sayid seemed to know how.). Maybe their plan was to get help and only realized later that the island couldn't be found at all and now they feel guilt that they got back and no one else did and they cannot find their way back.

I can't help but think that the flashbacks from the freighter people are in a sense flashforwards just like the flashforwards seen from the oceanic six. That they know that there are survivors on the island and when we see them arrive they have in effect travelled back in time... there is a definate time loop thing going on here. I hate trying to explain any time related theory cos i get lost, but basically i think their 'flashbacks' are flashforwards and what motivated them to go to the island is the fact that six of them get off, but they have to lie about it. We don't know how they got off just yet, we don't know it will be the freighter people to get them off, and i don't think it will be. Does this make any sense?

Also, is it possible that Michael is the man inside, that Ben reffered to?

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This makes sense, but i dont know about the time travel thing. is it possible that the oceanic 6 got back to the real world before they announced they found 815 at the bottom of the ocean? and that the freighter 4 got off the island too and knowing everyone else is on the island is why Faraday was upset, and why Frank called the number telling them that the plane on the tv wasnt the real plane, as if these were flash fowards?

The freighter 4 flash forwards, yeah i dont buy that. I prefer my theory and it fits in with a linear time frame. There has been nothing on the show to actually suggest they are in a different time. I put that all down to fans over thinking and complicating.
I still say it makes more sense that the priority is to get the Island back, Oceanic 815s crash helped lead people to the island, because of the nature of the island they dont want the world to know of its existence so they faked the wreckage.

Maybe Michael lead them to the island. Although he left when the sky turned purple and since then, hadnt all the islands communication with the outside world been down? So that'd be too hard to work out. We have to assume the freighter was coming, looking for the island before then. I think Michael will be involved though, maybe unknowingly leading the bad people to the island. Walt could be the person on the inside, he could have been brainwashed and that could have been why they let him on a specific heading to reach the freighter or whoever??

Those couldn't have been flash forwards because Naomi mentions the discovered wreckage to Hurley. The only way that theory works is if there is a time loop which would over complicate the show. Really when you think about it, all of the mysteries that have been answered have rather simple explanations. Often so simple that it makes you wonder why you didn't consider it. That's part of the genius of the show.

But I will defend the time travel theories with one point. Someone mentioned that there was no evidence support that they weren't in their time anymore. This isn't entirely true. In an episode back in season one or two, Sayid and Hurley listen to a radio and hear an old song. Sayid says there's no way of knowing where it's coming from and Hurley replies or when. This may just be a throw away line but on Lost, lines like that usually have a purpose.

That episode you're talk Sayid talks about how radio waves bounce of the ionisphere or something. Hurleys line was a joke, reference to people theorising and in no way can be used as a foundation for a theory they are not in our time.

We know the transmissions from the island work in real time. Hence juliet seeing her sister and the child at the right age. Ben tells richard to get back to the island as the plane crashed. Points to it all being in the same time frame.

Did anyone else notice that, when they found the plane wreckage in the sea, that the front of the plane and the tail were all there in one place? except we know that the plane broke in two pieces, front landed on the island, not the sea and the tail landed at the other side of the island in the sea, so that plane wreckage cannot be the real one... can it??? any thoughts on this??