nobody is forcing you to read the spoilers, bro.

Good on ya doc!
I have carefully averted my eyes from the largest of these spoilers and even tho I am a verocious spoiler hound knowing the ACTUAL plot of the finale is not desirable!!
Gonna have to be real careful in next 9 days now!!
But all In all I totally agree with ya Doc.
Your truely hardcore fanboy for suuuuure!

Doc, could you be a bit more specific about which sites/posts to avoid. I'd like to try and avoid as many of the hard core spoilers as possible.

Doc: Don't you think by posting this angry article that you've just confirmed the spoilers to be accurate? Not that I don't agree with you 1000%, but there's a lot of speculation out there that they are just foilers....just a friendly comment.

They're fake anyways so why does it matter?

If it upsets you this much, you should take a stand and remove the SPOILERS section from your site. Or better, have the SPOILERS tab link to a graphic of a big middle finger. Those like you who hate spoilers with such passion will get a kick out of it, and those of us who are ok with them and even seek them out will just shrug it off and move on. Everybody wins.

I've read many a detailed preview of this and other shows and still enjoyed watching the episodes live. There's always more to an episode of Lost than can be conveyed through bullet points and summary notes.

But at the same time, I understand his point. It's very similar to the person who looks at a Cliff's Notes version of a classic novel (say Grapes of Wrath or To Kill a Mockingbird) and due to the way the plot is summarized decides that the book is pure shite. You aren't giving the author the benefit of the doubt by reading his book; instead you are taking someone's own thoughts, opinions, biasies, etc. and making them your own. Now, I love a good spoiler; but I also agree that you aren't giving the writers or the producers of Lost a chance to tell the story in their own way with their own vision, and I think that is what Doc is trying to say.

But then again, I could be wrong.

agreed. you don't want to know, then don't read the spoilers. Seems someone is a little jealous of a certain DarkUFO. You're not just trying to win votes for that Hugo Cup, are you? Nah, didn't think you would stoop to that level.

its in a fucking spoiler section for a reason SPOILer... it spoils it... grow up and have some self control... or as ben or richard might tell you, PATIENTS...

Shamefully I have read the recent spoilers concering "Greatest Hits" and "Through the looking glass", however alot of what I read there seem like foilers to me. Ofcourse I may be proven wrong, but until that time I am sure that most of what I read there is complete guess work.

haha yeah and also i just read someone elses post of this... it is painfully obvious that you are jealous of darkufo...

I kind of agree with you...although you might be reacting a teeny bit harsh, sorry to say. However, I checked one sites spoiler and i wasn't expecting a full scale summary of the last 2 episodes, and i hope they are wrong because it gave too much info and spoiled it for me :(

I regret reading it. In the past, spoilers have never been so revealing so far in advance like that. Considering that it could be the biggest surprise in the show thus far, I'm afraid I'll merely be deflated when I see it.
I can't get enough of Lost but I'll be more careful from now on. It's a show I want to watch first and read about second.

Doc,

As previsouly stated. Doesn't the fact that your addressing this as a spoiler actually lend credibility to the spoiler and the source? If this is a foiler then why bother?

yeah, i have heard lots of people say they've had the finale spoiled and it will 'blow your mind!'.

I like to peek occasionally, but i've been extra careful about the last 2 episodes. All i know is charlie and jack...something.

I read some of the spoilers, basically i scrolled through them because i was weak willed I guess. I generally avoid spoilers of this nature, but for some reason I wanted to look at them.

To be entirely honest, even though in general I avoid spoilers, I see absolutely no problem with reading spoilers. I avoid them because I think it detracts from the fun of watching the show, and I am sad I know what I know about the finale (assuming what I read was true... which I think is suspect to being a foiler). Regardless I don't think it makes any sense to say people that read spoilers are bad people, or ruin the show. People that run around making thread posts with spoilers in the title, or things of that nature maybe... but if some fan wants to read a spoiler himself... thats fine.

If someone is constantly spoiled it may detract from the show but... it's just for them. If I were the producers I'd be mad at who leaked it... but again, as I mentioned I think it's possible the spoiler is just a foiler. Maybe I deluted myself into thinking this so that I can still be surprised, as I really don't know enough details to be able to verify the spoiler until probably the last minute of the finale.

Doc, I respect your opinion and I'm sorry the spoilers leaked ruined anything for you or for anyone that didn't want to be spoiled. But I cannot say that your opinion applies to everyone. I for one choose to be spoiled when I want to be and I chose these two. I know, from past Lost eppys that I've been spoiled for (Flashes Before Your Eyes) it does not spoil it for me at all. I consider the spoiler the book version and the show the movie version of the book. Since I've been mostly spoiler free since the season began, I feel I have a lot to compare my reaction to and I don't believe it spoils it for me at all.

How do we really know what is true and what is false regarding the spoilers? The creators know we're dying to know what happens in the finale. Wouldn't it be possible that anything we've read about the finale are all foilers, possibly stemming from them? If most of the actors don't even know the outcome, who would? Many of the spoilers I've read are all virtually possible, but I wouldn't put money on any of them. The truth will come...

It doesn't matter though Doc....those "spoilers" have been pretty much been proven fake...in my mind at least.

There full of holes; it leaves out a lot of content that we know for a fact is supposed to be in there. The guy who gave this info to AICN and dark was googled and if you check out the other forums he's posted at, it shows he acts like a preteen hoodlum. I think this is nothing more than a glorified fan fic and we will see tomorrow that it was false.

It could also be elaborate disinformation to keep us in suspence.

Remember last year where we were totally spoiled about the finale and it turned out it was 100% false. Remember it said that the button wouldn't be pushed and 4 giant pillars would come out of the ocean?

Now that i think of it....it's true. I was spoiled for "The brig" but it still made my heart jump!!1 :)

i meant watching it made my heart jump.

This is the slippery slope with spoilers...there's no "happy medium." Either they give too much or not enough info...or they're just plain wrong. IMO it's up to the reader...not the moderators...to not spoil surprises. I've seen the spoilers posted in several places today, but have not ruined it for myself...other than to ask someone if Charlie FINALLY dies...which I won't repeat. There's no denying the information leak once an episode is finished...perhaps there is still a part of "Through The Looking Glass" that we don't know yet...the arctic scene stayed pretty quiet last year if I recall.

Doc, I couldn't agree with you more. I am making this post without having read your commentary (except the part on the front page) because I don't want to be totally spoiled. I realize that this site, and Dark's too, is technically a "spoiler" site. And I don't mind "minor" spoilers. But I really don't want a blow-by-blow, scene-by-scene reveal of everything that is going to happen. I read the "Insider Scoop" as posted on Dark's site once, and swore I'd never do so again, and I haven't. It completely ruined the viewing experience of the episode. I come to these sites for the speculation. I enjoy the theories, no matter how far-fetched, of the average viewers. People, who like me, are trying to unravel this wonderful mystery we have been given. Now, with all the reputed complete spoilers floating around, I'm afraid I'm going to have to give up reading these sites until after the finale. That really sucks. I appreciate your understanding that this is the position many of your loyal readers/participants are in. And I am equally aware that there are some who DO want all the minute details. You are faced with the Catch 22 of having to serve both audiences. So, it is with great regret that I bid you all farewell until May 24. I'm really going to miss you all, but I'll have a lot of back-reading to catch up on in 8 days. Until then...

Namaste,
gusteaux

DarkUFO made it very clear that by reading on, you would be COMPLETELY spoiled. He was very specific about that, so anyone who pressed the button did it out of free will and have no one to blame but themselves. And that is why I voted for him. He didn't get the spoiler info and keep it to himself, he made it available to those who wanted the information. Good for him. I'm more sorry that I read this post. You make the Lost viewers who chose to read the spoilers sound like brainless sheep who were led into temptation.

For once im right with you Doc, whether the spoilers are real or not, i've not read them and dont for the love of all things want to, yes in earlyish episodes I would read some details but synopsis of the last 2 episodes I don't agree with at all. I want to be surprised and most of all I want to watch my final episodes of lost for 8 months without knowing whats going to happen, whether its your decision or not to read them is irrelevant (it should not be leaked) and I like many others are dreading the next week and a half of being told whats to happen, through social circles, media, internet circles, its pathetic that you have to live like a hermit because you dont want to know whats going to happen in a tv show.

One more thought. The reason I chose to be spoiled this time around (and I think it was the reason for the majority of the fans I interacted with on boards) were the deaths this season. If the Lost writers would stop killing off our favorites (first and second seasoner's), I think that would cut down on a lot of the spoiler need. I just had to know if my faves would live or die and that lead to reading stuff on the last two eps of the season. They just can't threaten to dangle our faves out over molten lava and not expect us to want to know who's dangling and who's not! So, in a way, they make us look.

I concur with Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants!

It is way too soon before the finale to lend credibility to much of anything not directly from the mouths of Darlton. Sure, this person did their research and incorporated much of what we already know, but also seemed to leave out as much.

We could purposely be being led astray. Who knows, maybe Doc and Dark are in cahoots!

Actually I had some of this info in advance of DarkUFO and he will confirm that if he feels like it. I chose not to release.

Doc...I'd agree with you, but I read this 'spoiler' after reading Herc' tease, and already being a bit suspicious about their validity.

Now, I know that we don't have the same inside info as you, but we have enough info from some very valid sources (interviews with cast members and producers) that this synopsis just doesn't feel right.

Let me add that if you're knowingly engaging in a disinformation campaign, you deserve some serious props...and I'll admit, I'm very suspect of you, AICN, and DarkUFO at the moment...you've all been accurate all season long, would you all pull a fast one us? Or facilitate someone else's pulling a fast one?

I'd love to hear your thoughts on this, and perhaps any reasons why you are so certain that this 'spoiler' is true.

If nothing else the death tolls between the summary and what you, DarkUFO, Ausiello, and Kristin have hinted at is off...

Exactly, Doc, you "chose not to release." Who are you, the protector of all Lost spoilers?

And it hasn't occured to you that your sources gave you disinformation?

You had SOME of this info in advance.

Thanks SOSLost! You and I are the true believers lol.

Anyway if we watch tomorrow's episode and this info turns out to be true I don't care really. It's just a show and I have more important things to do the rest of this year then to worry about it.

And besides, Dark kept stressing to me that the info was only 30% of the episode....

I'd just like to add that if all of this was some sort of ruse then I and SOSLost are the only ones who weren't fooled. WE CAN'T BE CONNED!

Anyway, yea I forgot Doc and Dark are good friends with many connections. I don't see it far fetched for them to be pulling our leg in a group con.

Here's something to chew on for those of you who have been accidentally spoiled and think the world might end: Even AFTER an episode of this show airs and I talk about it with friends or read about on the Net, I see dozens of different interpretations of what happened, I see and hear a new theory from every other person about how X episode will play out in the coming weeks, and I comb sites like this one for all the easter eggs I missed or to read about all the character names and connections that some of the more wonderfully insane recappers dig up to add meat to the show. Hell, my 81-year old grandmother watches this show and doesn't have a clue about ANY of the crazier elements of the plot. She just wants to know who Kate will choose between Jack and Sawyer.

One recap of questionable origin and written by someone with very little dramatic flare is not going to ruin the next two episodes for anyone, and neither will spoilers in general.

If people are looking for spoilers, they find it. That's a process initiated by the viewers. Those who don't want to be free of spoilers, you don't search for spoilers. But I suppose people may need to see some spoiler scala. :) May be someone could produce a spoiler system. The viewer can just mark how much, about what to get spoiled and then can see the spoilers. As it seems spoiler market needs some sofistication.

Simple Ang. This site is about the conversation and the story of LOST. NOT about spoiling its secrets. That is most of the reason why I even get info. Not because some source thinks I'm a great place to peddle wares; because they value the conversations generated here and like to give the occasional tip of the hat. Food for thought, in other words. The point here was not what fansite got the info first. Because guess what, that site was AICN. It was published in the comments there and the comments were later selectively edited. So any reappearance on a fansite is just a cut and paste of that and nothing more. So sorry for those of you who think I feel any particular LOST site scooped me, because AICN scooped everybody. Who cares about being second?

Huh? This logic of thinking is flawed. The Harry Potter guy ruined the book for people who did NOT want them. Avid fans, and users among the LOST communities, do not HAVE to be spoiled. Most of them aren't. They'll watch having no idea what to expect. Only the ones who enter the spoiler forum and who WANT to know, will know. I don't see the problem with this.

The people you should be mad at are ABC for allowing this to leak. (if indeed real)

Wow. I knew the animosity amongst these fan sites was at an all-time high, but I didn't think you, Doc, would stoop so low as to trash a fellow site here. Reading this post here was the biggest spoiler of all. And to think, DarkUFO even gave you credit as a mentor:

"These are confusing and crazy times which my good friend DocArzt over at The Tailsection warned me about."

Pathetic.

And, yes, you need to answer all of us one question: Are you validating their spoiler, or not? Putting this trash out here just spoils the fun even more. You're claiming that the spoiler that they adamantly claimed could be a FOILER is true. So, is it, or isn't it?

I'm sure I'm not the only Tailsection reader who is sick and tired of the crap that's been going on with this site. I don't care how you win - you don't deserve the Hugo Cup or any other award following this rigamarole.

Get a grip you loser

Doc, if this site is not about spoiling Lost's secrets, then why do you care what happens on other sites? Just stick to what you've done all along and don't badmouth those of us who enjoy spoilers as much as we like watching the show. And we can still read your site when we want to read intelligent "conversations" about the show. I don't care who got the info first, but don't look down on me if I want to read possible spoilers on other sites.

Doc,

I'm not interested in going back and forth in some banter pointing fingers like some of these other folks but I do wonder why you even addressed this at this point. It seems like it would have been a topic better suited for post finale comments rather than before the episodes air.

To me, you are either in cahoots with dark and ABC to intentionally mislead viewers so they are truly shocked with the finale or you are giving credibility to thses spoilers indirectly.

something about jenn's with the extra 'n' seems to make them extra mean...i know from real life...

and muscle_bob...i agree with you wholeheartedl.

Who are you to tell me I'm not a fan of LOST simply because I like to know what's coming beforehand?

You embarrass the rest of us and you embarrass yourself.

I think the rest of us LOST fans would agree with me there.

Alright I will add wedestroymyths to the LIST!!!!

WE CALL SHANANIGANS ON THIS PRANK!!!!!!!

^LoL that wasn't the real Dark was it?

Doc: Some of these people are downright mean; I suggest you turn off your computer for awhile.

And listen to your two-faced selves! All of you are posting that it's your right to read or not read, yet you're railing against Doc for posting his opinions on these so-called spoilers! Well, if you don't like what he posted, don't read it! Hypocrits!!!

I totally agree with you, however I still haven't read it, but by the sound of it, many people think its a hoax.

NotOphelia, I'm posting because I don't like being called names for exercising my right to read a spoiler. I'm posting because I've always enjoyed visiting Doc's site...until this post. Doc's attitude is judgmental and slanders many of his readers, not just me.

Ok, I read some sort of spoilers (foilers, if you asked me!) But still, if it turns out they are true. WOW! I am completely speechless.... spoilers or not, Lost's writers are some twisted genius...I am speechless...I, now, look foward to watch the shows to see if THAT's what going to happened...
But you know what, don't make a fuss about it, it's probably foilers...though it would make such a good finale *winks*

"Spoilers SUCK!"

"Spoilers ROCK!"

"Everybody's too goddamn absolutist! Oh, wait..."

Ang: I understand where you're coming from; I do. But, having read all your comments, my question is...if you've been offended, why are you still here and commenting? Why not just "adios Doc" and log off? To remain and continue complaining serves no purpose. Follow your own advice, stop reading if you don't like it...no one's forcing you to. (posted with no ill-will, truly, I love all my fellow losties and yes, I too read the spoilers)

Well, I think it's a good time to remember that a majority of the people who watch lost (let's call it 60%) will never see these spoilers because they don't go chasing them down online. While I have seen them, my wife, parents, and other friends who don't really use the web a lot will be surprised when they see both episodes.

NotOphelia:

No one is two-faced. We come here to read insider information from someone who gives us insightful theories and sneak-peeks. Not to read personal angst from the administrator of a site like this. This post was absolutely pointless, and it just made DocArtz look like an ass.

So does the outburst mean the spoilers are real?

Jenn: You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. But I just have to add my opinion: I'm reading a lot of posts from a lot of people who are beginning to look like asses, and none of them are named DocArzt! Cheers everyone and best wishes for goose-bump filled viewing - whether you've read the spoilers or not!

MC you have been added to the list that includes:

Me
SOSLost
wedestroymyths

These are foilers and Doc and Dark are conning us!!!!

NotOphelia, I have enjoyed this site for a long time. It hurts that Doc just lectured all of us who love his site but also love spoilers as if we should be ashamed of ourselves. He's entitled to his opinion, but to be outright rude to a large portion of his readers is downright nasty. So that's why I continue to post. I feel that as a loyal reader for so long, I (and many, many other readers) don't deserve this. There, I've made my point and I'll move on to another site that will accept me, regardless of if I choose to read spoilers or not.

I agree with outburst. I also regret reading it and I hope I am not disappointed when the finale airs. I also will be more careful from now on. A little bit of a spoiler is one thing but this revealed more than I thought, IF it is true.

NotOphelia: Now, you don't have to get personal. None of these comments from anyone to "you" are actually directed at "you." Your arguments have just given us a means to tell Doc exactly what we think. ;)

I cant believe the stick Doc is getting for this, i've never been his biggest fan, his theories usually annoy me, im right with him on this, you can spoil it for yourself or not I really dont care, what do I do care about is myself not getting that same choice when its given tv, newspaper time, and the people deliberately go out and ruin it for fans like me. What you lot dont seem to understand is that some of us will not have a choice.

Wow, I'm stunned. This is a response that's supposed to make us be on your side? Big disappointment.

NotOphelia, it's not an opinion when he states it as fact with words like "this is like ..." That's not an opinion. Opinions come off with words like, "I think that ..." or "IMO." His post is clearly "speaking for all Lost fans" and he's just not.

Thanks for the post DocArzt. I completely agree with you on this one. But most of all, I feel sorry for the pathetic losers who would actually ruin the whole episode for themselves by reading the spoilers. I mean, when you know what's going to happen, how much fun is it to watch the actual episode?

Besides, who actually gets more surprise out of reading the twists ahead instead of watching them in the actual show? So to all the people who know what's coming in the next two episodes:

Haha, you just screwed yourself over. No more LOST for you until next year! :D

I am sorry DocArzt, but I don't agree with your rant.

No one is forcing anyone to go over at these sites and read spoilers. These sites are CLEARLY labeled as spoiler sites and they take ALL the precautions needed to alert the reader that there are spoilers in there.

I WANT to read spoilers, so I go to these sites. If I didn't want to, I wouldn't visit them. So, what makes YOU the person to DECIDE for ME if I should be able to read spoilers or not? It is not in your hands, and it clearly should not be.

I know that you wrote this rant for DarkUFO's spoiler site, but I say that DarkUFO has a massive Lost site, and only one part of it is about spoilers -- and it's clearly labeled as such. If people don't want to read the spoilers, they simply don't press that damn button to go there.

So, where's your problem exactly? That Damon and Carlton are going to be pissed off? So what? I love Lost, but I don't pay homage to anyone. I pay by watching the ads at ABC.

Give me the benefit of the doubt and let *me* decide HOW I want to watch Lost. If I want to be surprised or not, that should be up to *me*.

Your rant would have some ground if DarkUFO was posting the spoilers on the main news site, and without any javascript-based or other precautions to alert the user. But he does not do that. He was careful. And he should be given a medal for his professionalism on how he handled the matter under the circumstances, rather than your bitter rant that reads like FUD ("oh, my God, the Lost experience is ruined").

No, it's not ruined. Get hold of yourself.

Eugenia

---
Senior News Editor
www.OSNews.com
www.TuxTops.com

This has to end. Most of the posts today have been totally negative and drowned in hate. Doc is a good friend of mine...we just happen to have differeing opinions on what and when to release in terms of spoilers for important episodes such as this upcoming finale. Truth is, my cock is twice the size of Doc's, and he hasn't had sex with any living being other than sheep for the last 3 years. He gave me no information which carried any validity toward the spoilers I posted, and he even offered to toss my salad in exchange for the Hugo Cup. I rejected that offer. Namaste.

Admittedly, I have definitely read the spoilers. I've read every "Insiderscoop" on DarkUFO since I found out about them.

And to be honest, not one spoiler post has ruined any episode for me. These spoilers are written so poorly, with so many holes, you never can tell just how a scene will be executed.

Yes, I'm always instinctively mad at myself for reading spoilers, but the show always delivers in a way far more amazing than what I was expecting.

And DarkUFO isn't at fault here. We, the viewers, choose whether we want to push that button or not. If we do, it's our consequence. Not DocArtz's.

Nicely spoken. Marry me.

>And to be honest, not one spoiler post has ruined any episode for me.

Jen, same here. I've read the spoilers, and still, I have enjoyed Lost immensely. As long as an episode is well-done, no matter if you know what happens or not, you are going to enjoy it.

This genius acts like there's NEVER been spoilers released in explicit detail before today.

WTF, man. You're about 2 years too late on this. Dumbshit.

WHO WANTS TO KNOW SOMETHING FUNNY?

Ive just read all that without having any idea what any of you are talking about, having not been to darkUFO before...but...the incredible thing is, that ive managed to skim read all those posts without gaining even the slightest idea about whats supposedly going to happen lol!!!! seriously, its a riot! right..now, im off to go make sure i dont read those spoilers. Namaste.

That's just the thing (yes, Muscle Bob Puff Pants, I'm onto this, too):

Is he validating the spoiler or setting us up?

I just keep thinking, this post was so ridiculous, there has to be more to it. Otherwise, I'm embarrassed for Doc.

I didn't read it, but I was spoiled on the forum I go to... and I loathe myself for doing it! Damn it!

I'm putting my faith in this being a big long con devised by all the spoiler sites...... well one can dream!

Jenn, I sincerely doubt Doc or UFO have seen the finale. So they don't know one thing from another. I think Doc mistakenly saw something he didn't want to know for fear that it might be true.

Then he comes on here and throws his hissy fit at the rest of us "non LOST fans because we read spoilers".

I respectfully disagree. I am a spoiler junkie. When I am all geeky over something, like I was for the Lord of the Rings movies, I want to know everything there is to know about it NOW. If I have to wait until I see whatever it is in the theater or on TV like the rest of the world, so be it, but if there is somebody out there publishing the goods, I'm there gobbling up every scrap.

Lost is no different. I want to see the remaining two episodes yesterday, and I want to suck the whole story out of the brains of Damon and Carlton too. I don't want to spoil it for other people; I'm just that curious.

I mean, after all, this is the Lost Spoilers section of The Tail Section, not the Lost Spoilers* section.

* Just some of the spoilers... nothing really juicy.

I think everyone should just chill until we see if these "spoilers" pan out. The same thing happened last season when someone released a synopsis of Live Together Die Alone, and guess what? It was a foiler. I for one am also on the bandwagon that thinks these are foilers as well. The fact that some schmoe somehow has already seen the finale, when according to last weeks Lost podcast, it wasn't even finished until Sunday. That's a mighty quick turn around. So relax everyone, let's see where the cards fall before we start pointing fingers.

If this does turn out to be a foiler, then props to the guy who wrote it, because it's thought provoking none the less, and if it turns out to be real, then props to Darlton. I'll sit, watch, and enjoy the hell out of the season finale just the same as I would have before. Because it's safe to say that there is a huge difference between reading spoilers on a page, and watching them play out on screen.

>>This has to end. Most of the posts today have been totally negative and drowned in hate. Doc is a good friend of mine...we just happen to have differeing opinions on what and when to release in terms of spoilers for important episodes such as this upcoming finale. Truth is, my cock is twice the size of Doc's, and he hasn't had sex with any living being other than sheep for the last 3 years. He gave me no information which carried any validity toward the spoilers I posted, and he even offered to toss my salad in exchange for the Hugo Cup. I rejected that offer. Namaste.

Doc --

Sorry so many people here are being jerks about your opinion. I think your post has merit in terms of how the spoilers were revealed -- all at once, rather than slowly to build anticipation.

If people don't like Doc so much, go out and start your own website. Oh, wait, most of your haters are too lazy!!

LOUD NOISES!!!!!!!

I love lamp.

"I'm really ashamed at the lack of respect the LOST 'Fan' Community has shown to the creators..."

Yeah. This makes me mad. I think we all respect this show immensely. Otherwise we wouldn't keep watching. Duh.

I read those spoilers by accident and I hope they are not true... If so I will be very disappointed. If they are not true then good job to ABC for putting out such great foilers.

These particular spoilers were not clearly marked as "giving away the whole story." If they had been I would not have read them.

**i don't know if this would be considered spoiler stuff or not, so please skip this question if you hate being spoiled******
************

Now, i was thinking about the spoilers i read for the last 2 episodes, and i noticed alot of the sites said that Hurley would be a central part of the finale...If so, the Big spoiler on DarkUFO is wrong or has alot of juicy details missing, because he mentions nothing about Hurley so YAY!!! LOL.

Also, can't we all just get along.... :)

Oh, yes he does. Go read again.

vroom, vroom. squish.

Watch out! Doc will ban you for spreading spoilers!!!!

Death to spoilers! Ha.

I read the spoilers at DarkUFO and I don't buy it...
Granted the user did a great job, but there are too many holes, and a lot does not make sense. I give kudos to the guy for making up such a hoax, but I think Doc is overreacting. I have yet to see any real spoilers.
I seriously doubt the validity of what I've seen.

Why in the world did you publish this? The gist of the blog comments over at DarkUFO was to debunk the spoilers as being foilers. I had convinced myself that was the case and now you give credence to the whole thing by ranting about it! This whole thing would have blown over for a week. So now instead of anticipation about what will really happen, you have essentially established that yes they are true. And on top of it you make a petty argument of having it first (although you didn't publish it) You should be ashamed of yourself!

I think i know what your referring too, or maybe i don't i'll read again, but if it's what i think your talking about i don't think it makes him central to the finale....

just read them..after promising myself i wouldnt lol!

anyway..heres why i dont buy it:

THATS NOT A GAME CHANGER. IT DOES *NOT* "BLOW MY MIND". *JOKE ABOUT IT BLOWING ;)*.

too easy, too simple. however, it does allow some connections to be made with TLE afterall! but i still dont buy it. boring boring boring. ...well not boring at all, but...i reckon it might be something better.

You couldnt be more wrong Doc - personally the spoilers are usually so small that they make the actual episode more exciting.
However, I am distusted about the release of the "Death List 5" from Dark UFO. Too much, just too much

It's not HUGE, but they do mention him, and it is unexpected.

Ooohhh, Controversial topic here... Btw, what spoilers? (That question would be funny if it were sarcastic... but it's not...) I have to say I agree with you Doc though. It defeats the purpose and it's almost like stealing the rough draft to a book before it's published. Which is, obviously, wrong. Of course, when the writer, or producer in this case, releases the first or third chapter on their website... As they usually do, it is alright. Did that metaphor/example make sense?

Anyway, it's the theories I come here for. Sure, they're inspired by a bit of Spoiler-ing as well as hints from the previous episode, but mostly it's fun to see if you or others are right (or compleately wrong. like usual).

Yes, it is unexpected, but i read somewhere, i think spoilerfix that he was going to play a major part of the season finale or that he would be the center of the finale... that to me is not playing a major part, just a major change in his character as we know him... get what i'm saying? I guess i'm trying to see if this is true or not in the long run.lol

Alright the list now includes:

Me
SOSLost
wedestroymyths
MC
Jenn
The Climaxan
Tom
Foiler or Spoiler
mw

WE DECLARE SHENANIGANS ON THESE MASSIVE SPOILERS. WE WILL BE HEARD!!!!

All in good fun =)

I posted this to the site that posted these spoilers but I thought it might be good to post here again...

This may or may not be true but I lean towards it not being true. We will find out tomorrow, but my guess is that the whole thing is a foiler.

ABC must know that people are clamoring for spoilers, so the best way to stop that is to release a big foiler, and then make it seem like it is real. Maybe they didn't release it but by having it removed from AICN they lend it some credibility. As this gets spread people will talk more and more about this and will (hopefully) stop trying to get more spoilers.

I personally hope this is not true because I have avoided reading the episode synopses for quite a while now and I enjoy the show that much more. This one was marked as a "spoiler," not as an "episode synopsis," which is why I even read it.

I'm sure that if this is true it will be done much better on the show than it is written out, but I pray that it is a foiler and not a spoiler.

Have you people ever considered this was setup by him and Dark, and by doing this it adds credibility to Dark's foilers in an attempt to trick us? It's exactly what they want us to believe. They were both contacted by Damon and asked to do this since they both run highly successful websites.

youre my hero, buffpants!!! there was me thinking nobody read my posts anymore ;)

SHENANIGANSSHENANIGANSSHENANIGANSSHENANIGANSSHENANIGANS

SHENANIGANS!

pffffft. continuity tricks my arse.

...SHENANIGANS!

OOh now your writing up lists? what, am I tainted? Are you now Jacob? I kid, i kid. :)

Apparently I'm a ghost to you =)

Doc, ignore these people.....you have your ethics and I appreciate it! Yes, I read Dark's site and while interesting and plausible, I did not consider the ending that suprising nor that HUGE of a game changer.... if that gamechanger cliffhanger moment is all Darlton could come up with, I am disappointed. Which is why I think there is ALOT more to the ending....

Doc Keep up the excellent work and to all you 14 year old's who take good peoples names and smear it with 9th grade remarks about one's sexual organ, please go back to class. You have a couple more weeks before you can discover what it is... at your neighborhood swimming pool.

For the adults who do come here....Please keep this site clean....there are good teenagers (my own) who like this site but really have no business reading such childish trash. It is really simple if you want to be really spoiled/foiled read the info, if not don't click on it!

BTW - I think that there might be one or two points that will come true, but for the most part are foilers. They have to be false. If they are TRUE, then I will be highly dissappointed. Very weak.

Hah. I called you Muscle Bob PUFF Pants. Sorry, that was accidental, I promise. :)

Eric, Rob and LiLi have been added to THE LIST!!!!!!!

List:

Muscle Bob Buff Pants
SOSLost
wedestroymyths
MC
Jenn
The Climaxan
Tom
Foiler or Spoiler
mw
Eric
Rob
LiLi

...nah...i was jacob for a post last week though. no one was buying my resemblence to Lenin.

i dont know why im hanging around the comments page tonight...but this is quite an interesting one, afterall..

I've come across a few spoilers that I wish I hadn't, but the people that are at fault aren't the community as a whole.

1. It's either - whoever leaked them aka the studio or creative people...whatever. More likely it was someone they trusted, such as the people who generally release the teasers. I'm guessing that this isn't wanted by the writers. Whoever broke their trust should be to blame.

2. I have nothing against those who want to read spoilers. I can understand the desire to find every little nugget of info out there. However there are people who are active in the community and don't want to read them. It is up to the webmasters and moderators to keep these groups seperate. Constant post monitoring is needed when these kinds of things happen. Be ready to move a post or insert spoiler font. You've taken on the responsibility of being a mod or admin, here's where you have to work at it.

3. Anyone who reposts without excessive warnings. In general things slip out, it happens, but the entire story? It's simply common sense to give fair warning. This isn't the same as seeing Locke in a youtube promo of the finale. This is a big deal.

Personally, I wasn't careful enough, and am kicking myself for it. I hope it's all lies, so I can get a nice surprise in 3 weeks :)

--fish

Okay, for reasons that will become apparent in 9 days, I WAS going to stay out of this conversation completely... but that was just way too damn funny.

As was El Prez's comment. I think he's onto something with his theories on loud noises and lamps. I also suspect he killed a man with a trident.

You users (and Doc of course) who have fun with things and understand the utter lack of emergency that Lost SHOULD create in our lives are the reason that I continue to visit this site.

I say "good day"!

Hey, how about this spoiler I sae for Titanic when it came out: "The ship sinks and almost everybody dies!"

For some reason, even though everyone knew the goddamn ship was going to get hit by an iceberg and sink, it still made (excuse me) an ocean liner full of money and millions of people went to see it multiple times.

And, I have to tell you, I knew snape killed Dumbledore before I read the book. I still read it and enjoyed the hell out of it.

The point is that if it's a well done story it should be netretaining regardless of whether you know the outcome.

And, with Lost, the Spoilers almost always set up new mysteries anyway.

hmm, good business model "I'll insult my customers for taking part in a service I provide, spoilers, but get especially pissed cause one of my competitors, Darkufo does a better job of it." Don't patranize me like I'm some child jerkoff. I'm a grown man and I'll make my own decisions, which now includes NOT coming to your crummy site ever again.

I've been spoiler-free for some episodes and know most everything that will happen before others, I enjoy watching the show either way. Why would I want to waste my time readin Doc's (or anyone else's) dumb theories about the show--none of them turn out to be right and I can just as well come up with my own.

get over yourselves

Actually, I don't usually read spoilers. A lot of times, I'm tempted, but I resist the temptation because I want to be surprised. I need to follow the story in the episode from beginning to end and not say, "Oh I read this would happen." Because it's the storytelling, the writing that got me hooked. Of course, there are times that I can't resist reading spoilers. But, for the most part, I don't. I'm a bit of a purist, so there. :)

"You users (and Doc of course) who have fun with things and understand the utter lack of emergency that Lost SHOULD create in our lives are the reason that I continue to visit this site."

What?

You users, who have fun with things, and understand the utter lack of emergency, that Lost SHOULD create in our lives....

I'm sorry I just don't understand can you put that in stupid terms so that I can read it?

Are you saying fun is bad? ARe you using the word emergency in the right context?

he said fun is good and thats why he comes here.

on that note id like to add an anchorman quite, but i cant remember any, bar those already used, and so im going to quote randomly from sigmund freud. no, update, im not. the man is not very quoteable. i give up. long story short: he meant fun is good and that wrangling over lost and whether we should or should not be spoiled is all a bit silly, really. i agree.

Add me to the list. Methinks Doc protest too much.
And this Lost site is the best hands down!

IF THIS IS A FOILER TO COVER UP THE DEATH OF KATE... I blame YOU, spoiler kings! I will be so heartbroken... I hope this is not what you are trying to do please... :(

Hello ppl from Dark!

"I'm really ashamed at the lack of respect the LOST 'Fan' Community has shown to the creators that worked so hard to come up with a thrilling conclusion, just to see to it gutted across the fan community."

I actually just read that, I guess I missed it when I first skimmed through your rant. How is it lack of respect?

I spent most of the day, like many others, discussing the final two episodes. Whether we like them or not, we're still going to tune in Wednesday night and watch.

If anything, the mass discussion and controversy over this stupid topic has shown how much we all respect the show. I don't go on South Park, Nip/Tuck, or Family Guy forums and discuss the show. I don't hunt down spoilers any of them either because I don't care enough to. Lost has a huge fan base that hunts down spoilers on a daily basis because we cannot get enough of it. That right there is respect my friend.

Anyway I still don't think you're mad and you just posted this to help your con with Dark!!! Come on now would you really bash all the people that come to your site? WE, ON THE LIST, ARE ON TO YOU PAL!

Ok we get it, you LOVE Kate : )

I guess I am a pathetic loser? That is awesome!!

I know we are getting to the end of the season and the information faucets are drying up, but do we really have to resort to discussing the etiquette of other websites?

This is the specific reason that I no longer visit AICN for any Lost information. And, a startling majority of talk-backers are 13 year olds thinking they are actually contributing to an intelligent discussion by calling each other names.

I come here to banter with fellow lost-addicts about Lost. The very fact that I have been suckered into making a post on this subject makes me think MuscleBob is right. Dark and Doc are pulling a Benry on all of us.

Who gave you the right Doc to decide what makes a Lost fan? If people choose to read spoilers what do you care? No one is forcing anyone to read them. Complaining about them likely sent another large group of people out looking for them.

I like spoilers. Which is why I read them. It doesn't hurt my enjoyment of Lost at all. If anything I am more excited to see how this massive twist plays out now that I know *supposedly* what it is.

On DarkUfo's site there is a huge warning for people not to click the link. And yes, the major spoilers are hidden behind a link, not even out there for someone who stumbles across them.

hey Doc artz i used to read spoilers but then found the show much better when i didn't. So don't tell me but is the "Snake In The Mailbox" revieled

I have a challenge for you DOC. here it is.

Become the 1st LOST fansite to COMPLETELY abolish spoilers.

it would return SO MUCH dignity back into the show.

I'm just curious. Can I be on the list too? I don't know what it's all about, but it looks like the in crowd ;)

Did anyone notice that at the 31:34 of the 20th episode the black smoke was over the chair at Jacob's place? Is was just before the human figure of Jacob appeared. Could anyone confirm me that? Or am I crazy? LOL
It would be a very good proof that the smoke could materizalize itself in human figures (like jack's father, ben's mother, etc). What about that?

It's Jacob's list mwahahahhahaha. just kidding ;)

Aren't you the guy who's insisting that Charlie doesn't die in the finale? So, are you the foiler, or is it DarkUFO and Lostfan108?

Seems pretty telling if you're the one who's lying, and on purpose no less.

Sorry it didn't come across very clearly.

I'm saying that there are some people who take all this stuff so seriously that their lives are thrown into a state of emergency and sheer panic over things that, while fun and worth discussing and debating, should never resort to name calling, hard feeling, or anything along those lines. In short, people like "Pretty Faced" should fall on their own swords.

On the other hand there are those users who, like LENNOX and EL PREZ, come along and try to "ease the tension baby" (Happy Gilmore) and get a laugh going. I applaud them and the others who are here for enjoyment. People like that, along with Doc of course, are why I come here.

In short, MW got me completely. "Fun good."

hola fernanda :)
Yes, i'm pretty sure i saw that black smoke too, They'll probably tie in somehow, Jacob and smokey i mean. Or maybe he controls smokey? :)

In my opinion, two things are possible: this outburst seems to point that the spoilers are true or these spoilers are actually foilers to mislead us…the bottom line is: WE should be able to have the right to choose between reading or not reading the spoilers! It’s YOUR decision (OURS, since I love spoilers too LOL). There is no need to be angry at or disapprove people who enjoy reading them…

No one is a better/worse lost fan because we read or ignore the spoilers! We live in a free society!!!

Eat shit Doc!

First, I would like to say hello to cjscott, muscle bob, selina, and all the other darkufo people who are here. (It's like we're in AA!). Second, I'm not getting what the problem is. Mike's right: there's a huge "warning" sign next to the link for the spoilers on Dark's site and he explains that the reason he put it up there is to prevent people from accidentally finding spoilers on other posts; to encourage people who want to talk about the specific spoilers about these specific episodes to do it in one place and not ruin it for everyone else. This all seems like a big overreaction to me.

Actually, despite what this information has said, and even despite what you see, there is every reason to believe that Charlie survives. Be observant and you'll see what I mean.

TABULA RASA has been added to THE LIST:

Muscle Bob Buff Pants
SOSLost
wedestroymyths
MC
Jenn
The Climaxan
Tom
Foiler or Spoiler
mw
Eric
Rob
LiLi
TabulaRasa

We're on to you DOC!

This post is NOT a slam on my friend DarkUFO.

"Actually, despite what this information has said, and even despite what you see, there is every reason to believe that Charlie survives. Be observant and you'll see what I mean."

HE ADMITTED IT!!!!!

Oh and hey sarah!