FREAKING AWESOME!!!!!! I have been waiting for the revelation that Jack and Claire are siblings for so long! The appearance of Richard Alpert! 'm just blown away!
Some questions after tonight;
1.Why the elaberate false story of the Oceanic 6?
2. Why does Kate claim that she gave birth to Aaron?
3. How does the 6 get together, and how the hell do they get off the island?

Two weeks to wait, CAN"T WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!

ahhh....That is why Jack, Hurly, Kate & Sayid are part of the 6.....The helicopter. Crash out @ sea (out of gas) and hook up with a floating Aaron & Sun, and bingo you have your O6.

Was it just me, or was Sawyer in the helicopter!? In the preview, it looked like kate and Sawyer in the Helicopter...together! Maybe I'm just seeing things but...

No, in the previews....it was Kate and Sawer about to kiss....maybe the last scene of Season 4....maybe Sawer is who Kate did mean, last year when she said "He'll be wondering where I am" and maybe that's who she was visiting when she said she was doing a favor for Sawer....Maybe Sawer is somehow off the island as well.

I think Sawyer and Kate were saying a very sad goodbye; you could see it in their eyes. I agree with the first poster; AWESOME!

ahhhhh so good! cant waitttt til may 299!!!!!

"...showing us the secret origins of John Locke."

Secret origins, eh? If by "secret" you mean previously unrevealed... I wonder when we're going to get the secret origins of Jack, Kate, Claire, Sayid... you get my point.

"Secret origins" just sounds better than "previously unrevealed origins." Come on, it's catchy!

I'd still be more inclined to go with "the untold circumstances regarding the events of John Locke's birth and formative years."

But oh yes! It's catchy...it certainly caught me. :)

"Why is there an abundance of C4 on the freighter?"

Keamy's arm device is going to blow up the boat if he dies.

Ah, good catch John. You're keeping me on my toes tonight.

Come to think about it, I believe that RF link explains the interference with the navigation device. I just wonder how all of that C4 could go unnoticed in a room that didn't appear to be too far off the main deck...looks like it took a while to set up.

Sun buying her Father's company was perfect. Sawyer use a couple of good nicknames, I can only remember him calling Miles "Genghis though. Great episode.

The reason that Kate said she gave birth to Aaron is because that is the only logical explanation for Aaron being there.

Otherwise, where did Aaron come from? Out of the six that showed up, only two were female, and one was Asian, so the white baby ain't hers. lol

As young as Aaron is, there is only one other explanation, and that's that the mother did not die on impact of the plane into the ocean (according to the official Oceanic story).

And Claire's mother said that she was one of the ones who died in the original crash.

So the idea of Kate being her mother, is the only thing that made sense.

Now whether or not Oceanic KNOWS that it's not Kate's kid, no one knows at this point.

How has Claire's mother managed to recover from a permanent vegetative state?

If Widemore wants the island intact, why would he want to blow it up? I guess he knows Ben would give in before letting him blow it up or something?

It was nice to see Sayid reunited with his long lost love Nadia. I do hope he has some quality time with her before her eventual murder by Witmore (or possibly Ben in a plot to get Sayid to work for him). But I would like to take this time to remember Sayid's other long "lost" love; Shannon.

As the pace of lost revelations pick up I find myself nostalgic about other "lost" souls such as Charlie, Boone, Shannon, Anna-Lucia, Libby ect. Whith new meaning to several character's "destiny" to arrive on the island.

I hope that some nod is given to past "lost" survivors of Flight 815 as to why they island let them survive the plane crash. Wishful thinking perhaps but as true lost fans would agree the whole story is important.

On another note, I bet that by "move the island" Jacob/Christian mean to move it through time. That is obvioulsy a dangerous feat. It also would explain a whole plethera of mysteries. I know this hypothesis is not a new one but after these past few episodes it seems to make more and more sense.

Who are the other 2 of the 8 that made it to the Island?(In the lie made up by the oceanic 6)
And why would they lie that two more made it to land?
Unless 8 people make it to the small Island that the Ocieanic rep metioned.
Then the other two die? I Dont know but these two weeks are going to be torture.
I just hope Locke Saves the Island and that Jack doesn't mess things up any worse than he already has. Of all the characters, Jack has really become annoying.
He called the freighter in the first place. Now he just storms out into the jungle with a pretty bad injury. He better not get in Locke's way this time. Locke should of shot that sat phone out of his hand last season.

Geoff: Right after he murdered someone in cold blood because he thought God (oops the island) told him to? Locke's a loser.

John: hmmm I see that you are a self loathing John.
Locke killed Naomi because he was trying to protect everyone on the Island.
Lets see, since Jack(ass) called the freighter what has happened?
-Countless flight 815'ers killed by Keamy. Alex killed by Keamy.
The Island is about to be tourched.
Locke was only doing what the Island asked him to do. Now stop being so sensative about Jack. He has some very positive characteristics, but for a while now he has been a wreck. He becomes addicted to drugs and alcohol. Even he himself realizes "He wasn't suppose to make that call".
Hence him screaming, We've got to go back during last years finale.
Locke is no loser. He is going to be doing some great things.

Why did the Oceanic company fly the six on a military plane? Shouldnt a major airline have access to a plane that could fly the survivors home?

Geoff:

"John: hmmm I see that you are a self loathing John."

Are you trying to say I'm John Locke? Given your position, should I take that as a compliment?

"Locke killed Naomi because he was trying to protect everyone on the Island.

No, he killed her because he didn't want anyone to leave the island, because he wanted to stay and didn't want anyone else coming there. Pure self-interest.

"-Countless flight 815'ers killed by Keamy..." blah blah blah

Naomi seems to fall into the category of the Faraday, Charlotte, Lepidus, and Miles, none of whom seem to want to kill anyone. Not Keamy's crowd.

"Locke was only doing what the Island asked him to do."

That's my point... it reminds me of Andrea Yates drowning her kids because she thought God told her to.

"Now stop being so sensative about Jack."

Did I even mention Jack?

Aaron: Probably because they wanted to land at a military base for security/privacy reasons (no unauthorized guests). Also, I highly doubt that being on a commercial airline would have been comfort to the survivors of a commercial airline crash.

If you are going to compare Locke following the Island's orders on this "television" show to some crazy woman killing her kids in real life, you my friend are a loser.
Anyone who watches this show can see that the Island does have some power over people...For instance
Michael Cant die, Locke being healed, Rose being healed.
Those are just a few of the many examples of the Island having power.
As for you comments about Naomi, yes she may have been part of the better group from the freighter. That doesnt mean she wasnt going to harm the Island.
She was just another sacrafice the Island demanded. The Island comes before anything else, including a woman who was about to bring some pretty bad characters to there. Lastly, Locke was right. They came to the Island to kill everyone.
Is it just me who thinks that sacraficing one life to save countless others isnt such a crazy action?
As for you mentioning Jack... It just seems like you took offense to me attacking Jack's character and prasing Locke's.

the only thing that has confused me is that Desmond said that once Charlie drown, that Claire and Aaron would get on a chopper and leave. Do you think that something has happened from then that wasn't supposed to? Naomi dying possibly? Did something interrupt the course of events or did the producers forget?

Well, I'll be so kind as to keep the personal insults one-sided.

First, I never said the island doesn't have powers. But the very fact that you refer to it as a proper noun suggests I'm not too far off with my comparision to God.

OBVIOUSLY, we are talking about a "television" show. You will notice how I call John Locke and not Terry O'Quinn a loser. I promise you that you compare things on TV to real life all the time as well, whether you know it or not (I'm trying hard to keep my word from my first sentence).

If God or a "Sentient Island" demand innocent human sacrifices, I wonder why anyone thinks that either of those is good?

If the island is talking to Locke, why is he clueless so often? Even if the island is talking to John, how do we know the island is GOOD?

Killing someone who poses no immediate threat is simply wrong. You watch too much TV.

Hunter: Maybe Desmond lied about Claire, Aaron and chopper to get Charlie to do the deed. We saw most of his future-flashes but not that one. We don't know what he saw, and we don't know if he thought Charlie would sacrifice himself without some assurance that Claire and Aaron would be rescued.

You are right, no need for personal insults, but you didnt keep to your word.
I dont watch too much tv, i watch too much lost.
And the show is what i want to focus on here.
Lost is based around the Island. The Island obviously isnt bad.
We know that Keamy and his crew are pretty evil characters. Keamy himself has murdered plenty of people for no reason. The Island is in opostion to him,making the Island on the better side of good or bad.
As for Locke, he has done some pretty amazing and "good things"
Ill mention a few-
-Saved Jack from falling off a clif season one
-Helped Charlie quit drugs
-Built Aaron a crib
-Helped Jack find the caves, by telling him to follow the vision of his father
-Helped Walt feel useful on the Island
-foud the hatch and the Plane
-Fed everyone during the first season
-Helped Boone realize he didnt need his Sister
-Helped Sawyer kill the real Sawyer
and these are just a few of the things i could come up with off the top of my head.
They guy is obviously special.
In the trailor for the finale we see Locke tell Jack that he came here for a reason. I think Locke will end up helping Jack understand that he was meant to be on the Island and to believe in fate...
Fate=The Island

Widmore doesn't want to blow up the Island, the C4 is for the freighter that's out in the middle of the ocean. It's for covering their tracks.

The Coast Guard flew them into Hawaii because of security reasons. That is, most likely, the Oceanic 6'ers asked for the security and privacy. Otherwise, imagine Oceanic flying them into LAX, can you say 'media circus'?

I hate when old question creep into comments about the great episode that just aired but.....Desmond was willing to go down to the Looking Glass before Charlie knocked him out with the paddle/oar.

I doubt he'd have tried to save Charlie, for what? the 4th time? just to ultimately push him towards death. He swam after Charlie when he regained conciousness as well.

He probably saw exactly what happens (in the future finale episode) and we will know exactly why Desmond said what he said. Otherwise, he was merely mistaken and/or the Island was 'lying' to him.

Claire's mother was never said to be in a vegetative state, she was just in a coma.
People wake up from comas.

Geoff:

That was not an insult. I was simply saying that if you do, in fact, believe that killing someone who poses no immediate threat is not wrong, then you watch too much TV.

"Lost is based around the Island. The Island obviously isnt bad."

You must have watched way too much Star Trek back in the day. I agree, it's based around the island. That doesn't make it good. How can you know?

Bad characters/entities can do good things. I'll refrain from using real-world examples since you find them so appalling. But just ask yourself, if you were a real crummy person would that stop you from ever doing something good? Absolutely not. Especially, (and here's the kicker) if it was in your best interest.

While some of the things on your list I don't find to be either amazing or good, I'll agree that Locke can be an okay guy at times. Doesn't make him right or special, doesn't make him any less of a murderer.

Here's a theory: Maybe the island is bad, knows Locke's bad, so it heals him so he can do what it wants him to do, because it knows he'll do it? I'm not saying that's the case, but how do you know it isn't?

I don't have any special feelings for any of the characters on LOST. They're all "lost" after all. You can yell about Jack until you're blue in the face and I won't care in the least. Just don't act like Locke is some sort of savior. He is Ben's heir after all, right? Ben murdered. He's following that path.

Who else out of the survivors is a murderer that you'd like to defend?

P.S. Remember when Locke said, "If you want to live, you need to come with me." The only reason Keamy had any 815'ers to kill is because of John Locke. Alex, Karl, Rousseau, and anyone else in New Otherton has John Locke to thank for being dead.

Sorry, Geoff forgot a bit:

"Keamy himself has murdered plenty of people for no reason. The Island is in opostion to him,making the Island on the better side of good or bad."

Apologies, real world example: If North Korea and Al-Qaeda started fighting, would that make one of them good? Glad to see you're coming around to the "murdering innocent people being bad" side.

You're not seeing the big picture, John.

Real world example.

If Naomi and Keamy are on the same squad, say Al Qaeda or Hamas, given the same orders and have the same ambition. Then what is the difference in defending yourself from one or the other?

Keamy murders Alex, Rosseau and Carl in cold blood, what is to assume that Naomi didn't have the exact same mindset?

She was the first one in, if you're on an important military expedition, you don't send in somebody who's a mere afterthought. She could fly the helicopter, Lapidus was part of the 'front' for this group of mercs.

Okay so Naomi's first. Then Faraday, Lewis, Miles, and Lepidus. These really don't seem like the "let's kill everybody types" to send when you've got Keamy and his boys on the boat. They were there to get Ben. Maybe they have a good, justified reason to want him. Maybe they're just following orders. The all appeared shocked at finding any survivors at all. They clearly weren't there to kill THEM. They also clearly weren't there to rescue them, but does that make them bad? I don't think we can assume that.

"if you're on an important military expedition, you don't send in somebody who's a mere afterthought."

So once Naomi goes missing you send it the scientists and ghost whisperers? Please. This was not a military expedition.

Keamy took had different orders that clearly went around the captain and the initial missions launched from the freighter.

Any1 else spot an abundance of what appeared to be "lucky rabbits feet" in this episode?

Claire's mother was never said to be in a vegetative state, she was just in a coma.
People wake up from comas. EARL J HICKEY woke up from his coma

Who was the other person Sun claims is responsible for Jin's death?
Jack. Jack is responsible for whatever scheme to get off the island either ends up leaving Jin dead or stranded. After this episode based on Sun's reaction I assume he is really dead, not alive on the island like I had previously thought.

What will happen if they attempt to move the island using the Orchid?
They will successfully move it. Nothing majorly bad will happen, except that people can't find the island anymore.

What's Ben's master plan this time around?
I would guess it has to do with some power or threat he has against Keamy. Maybe the Others are out in the jungle with guns pointed at their heads. Ben reveals this and Keamy reveals that he has a device that kill explode the boat if removed from him or if he dies. This is probably what he was saying with the mirrors.

Why weren't Kate's parents waiting for her when she returned?
Um... Because her mother hates her for killing her father.

What happens to Jin and the red shirts that made it to the freighter?
Either they die or they end up back on the island. I suspect that the bomb plays a part in either killing them or scaring them off the boat.

Why is there an abundance of C4 on the freighter?
It's tied to the thing on Keamy's arm which is tied to his heart rate. If he dies, the boat blows up. Not sure why he does this, unless it's to use as leverage against the Losties, but he doesn't know they are on the boat.

Why was Jack so ready and willing to lie to the press?
Jack was the ringleader in the scheme that got them off the island. I am 99% sure they do not get off on the freighter. The freighter probably blows up and kills everyone aboard. My previous theory had been that Penny rescues them, but whether it is from the island or the wreckage of the boat or somewhere else I have no idea. I am also not sure why only 6 are allowed to escape.

What ever happened to the guy in the season promos that was on the freighter. He was looking for his girlfriend and hooked up with the freighter. Now now mention of him at all. Just a thought to recall for the whole season.

Only six are able to escape because that's all that will fit in the zodiac boat... the helicopter runs out of fuel, and the freighter explodes... so the O6 make it to the nearby island as seen in the photo provided by Oceanic Airlines at the press conference, in the zodiac...

The question of who the other 2 where who survived the plane crash is wrong. The real question is who were the other 3. You're forgetting that Aaron wasn't born in either case; so there are only 5 adults in the Oceanic 6, which means 3 people 'died after surviving the crash.'

The Coast Guard Helicopter is strictly a budgetary move by the producers who didn't want to pay the expense of having to paint a plane with the Oceanic colors/logo. The military isn't a VIP chauffer service that transports people because they want privacy, if that were the case I wouldn't be flying coach on the majors. The Coast Guard would do recoveries like flying into small island chains like like Midway, etc that have runways, but are not accessed by commercial flights. Judging by the survivors being fully groomed, clothed and in the presence of a high level Oceanic PR person, I imagine they were close to a commercial air field therefore this is strictly a blunder due to budgeting the show.

How about Ben passing his wand to Locke so we couldn't use the theory that Ben warped to Tunisia after getting in a scuffle with Keamey.

AS for moving the island via the Orchid, I believe that just like the video where a second rabbit popped in, there will be two islands. Anyone who dies, might actually have a twin due to the duplication process in moving the island. So if Jin dies, I have a feeling the other Jin will be alive and happy endings will still abound all around. Look at Christian Shephard. Maybe he is alive because the island was moved back in time a matter of a month or year in which case his corpse that is on the island would be pushed back to a time when he was alive. The time travel wouldn't put you back in your original location (Australia), but it would put you back in a living state if you were alive at the time is was set back to.

Very random of Nadia to show up. Wonder if Widmore got to her, so he could use her similarly to the other spies who tried to seduce Sayid.

Well, the Claire/Jack relationship reveal sucked. I thought the mom was dead! Didn't expect that. Nice of the Mom to fly all the way to the US for a funeral that occured months after the death? I'm sure she saw it in the local Aussie paper and was able to book a flight to get to the funeral within 24 hours. Wonder if she told Jack's mother about the affair or thought it was appropriate to only tell Jack.

Jin goes back in the boat to get more people because something happens to the skinny scientist guy during the rescue. Sun blames her father and herself for letting him go back to help.

That little boat is not a zodiac raft. It's just a small rescue boat. Google Zodiac rescue boats to figure out what it really looks like.

I like the idea of the thing attached to Keamy signals the explosion upon his death.

Geoff and John: Quit pissing at each other. Jack has done good things and bad things. John has done good things and bad things. They're both obviously there for a reason; it's their fate/destiny/whatever.

Tiffany: I don't disagree with you that people wake up from comas. But citing My Name Is Earl doesn't really have much credence.

As to Ben's master plan, I'm sure it has something to do with his "communication" with the mirror. He was probably signaling the Others to come out of hiding, leading to their eventual capture of Kate and Sayid at the end. That's my (vague) guess.

We really don't know that Keamy is the one who killed Carl and Rousseau. We are led to believe that (and it might well be true), but I always suspected Ben (& the Others) had something to do with that. Alex screaming "I'm Ben's daughter" may have just given her position away to the nearby Freighties.

Here's my educated guess on the O6: Jack and Sawyer are on their way to the Orchid. Kate and Sayid are captured by the Others - who will probably take them to the Orchid. Hurley is already there. Sun and Aaron are on the Freighter. Sun will leave the Freighter in the Zodiac before it eventually blows up (all people aboard will die , including Michael, Jin, and Desmond unfortunately). Lapidus shuttles Kate, Jack, Hurley and Sayid off the Island in the chopper before they "move" the Island. Locke stays of course, as the protector of the Island. Sawyer also chooses to stay (cuz he ain't got nuttin to go back to), Kate and Sawyer share an overly dramatic kiss goodbye. The chopper starts to go down. Everyone but Lapidus bails and finds Sun and Aaron in the Zodiac. Lapidus goes down with the chopper in an act of redemption. They use the Zodiac to get to a nearby island, which is what we see in the photograph. (Though they'd have to dump the Zodiac at some point, since their fake story doesn't mention them having a boat.)

Im glad to see that people take this show so literally, its a tv show, they are doing time travel, its all bullshit, go back to work, you have too much time on your hands. John and Geoff stop arguing, just kiss and make up, you both whine like some little bitch not getting enough attention, like the character shannon. Get over yourselves. Locke is a loser, Jack is a loser, you are both losers.

Questions I still have:
(1) Why should no one trust the captain, and who gave the note?
(2) Why did Hurley apologize to Jack for going with Locke?
Seems #1 is a plot hole that will never be answered, and unless something major happens, #2s explanation seems weak at best.

Bluto: I don't see any inconsistencies in what you cite. Inconsistencies are logical blunders. There are plausible explanations for everything you claim to be an inconsistency.

Why was the fact that it was a Coast Guard rescue inconsistent? You may be right that the producers didn't want to pay to paint a plane with the Oceanic logo - but that in no way makes it inconsistent. I thought it was even more plausible to have them enter via a Coast Guard rescue to a private area where they wouldn't be mobbed. It may not be standard for the Coast Guard to fly that far, but I'd imagine if something like this actually happened in real life, an airline would be paying through the nose for them to have as calm and peaceful a landing as possible back in the US.

Claire's mom (Carole) was never pronounced dead. When we last saw her in Par Avion the doctor originally informed Claire and her aunt Lindsey that the surgery had stabilized her mother's condition. Upon further questioning from Claire, he indicates that her mother may be in a permanent coma. Near the end of the episode when Claire visits her mother again, her mother is still in a coma and Claire is pregnant. We don't know how much time has elapsed (but it would probably be at least 6 months, given Claire's bulging belly). But the possibility was left open for her to awaken from the coma - no inconsistency.

We also don't know how much time elapsed from the O6's return to the funeral. It could have been weeks (and likely was). So Carole's appearance at the funeral was not necessarily 24 hours after the O6 arrival, and it would be perfectly plausible for her to be there. No inconsistency.

Beckett: If it's all bullshit, why do you even bother to come to a fan site and post? I don't take this show literally. Of course people can't time travel. But you have to accept a certain amount of implausibility when you sign up to watch a show like this. I do that and then try to work out the pieces given the "rules of the game." When they step beyond these "rules", I get frustrated. But I haven't seen that happen yet.

Good twist there Hanto. I now think that Alpert played a role in killing Karl and Danielle. I mean why would the mercenaries bury the bodies? I don't think they had shovels with them.

The bullets that were used to shoot them were not of the high caliber kind. The bullet actually shot through one side of the glass, but did not shatter it. I mean come on how does a bullet that comes out of a present day rifle do that? It looks highly likely that the bullet came out of the guns the others were sporting last night.

Ben probably gave Alpert the call to kill Danielle and Karl in route to the temple. Then something bad happened when the Freighties were nearby and heard Alex screaming. That is probably how they got to her.

What is with burying people with their heads exposed?

Also thought i would mention this:
When Sun went to her father's office and he was talking to his employees saying "what do you mean it came from 5 different bank accounts?" Sun asks whats wrong, he says it sjust business.... and she has this look on her face like "you have no idea pops"

Sun had help from her fellow losties to buy the majority of shares of her fathers company.
Which then poses the question - why would they help her destroy her father??.... i have an answer, because he is connected to Widmore/Dharma, he always has and they all find out, I have been saying this since season 2 and in my own mind this is confirmed for me.
Now Sun is getting help from Jack, Kate, Sayid, & Hurley to get back at her father - they all must have some beef with him.

Just my thoughts on that whole scene.

Also, i think Michael is the second person responsible for Jin's death, who I think is really dead (by how Sun reacted this episode).....

Who was the other person Sun claims is responsible for Jin's death?
Charles Widmore

What happens to Jin and the red shirts that made it to the freighter?
Blown up

Why is there an abundance of C4 on the freighter?
Linked to the device that monitorizes Keamy's heart beats

This may be off subject, but the guys that created LOST are huge comic book fans, and alot of the shows material is so similar to the X-Men that it's scary. I could write a novel, but I'll just give a few instances. First, Sawyer is Wolverine. Wolverine's father is killed by his mother's lover who's name is Logan, she then kills herself. Wolverine kills his father's killer and takes his name. Wolverine's real name is James Howlett, Sawyer takes the name of the man responsible for his parents deaths. Sawyer's real name is James. Locke is a bald man in a wheelchair who can miraculously walk when on the island. Prof. Xavier is a bald man in a wheelchair who can miraculously walk when he lands in the Savage Land. The Savage Land is a hidden jungle-land in the middle of Antarctica, when Penny's men get a reading on the islands magnetism they are in Antarctica. A major milestone in comics is when a new team of X-Men were formed to save the originals from a living island named Krakoa, could Jacob be forming a new group after his originals failed? Sorry that was so long, but if any other comic nerds out there agree, or have there own theories I would love to hear them! Could there be more clues in our old comics?

DTT's simple theory on how the six comes together is brilliant. I'm with you on that one. For the only reason that they drift on a beach together. This was already shown from those Oceanic pics at the press conference. DTT's surmise explains this.

Why isnt desmond one of the Oceanic6?? i hope he doesnt die, he and saywer or my fave characters. and what happened to cindy(the stewardess)??? and i cant believe they never did a rousseau flashback as of yet.

Loved the show, but mad at ABC. Where we not promised 16 full episodes this season? Yeah I know there was a writters strike, big flip. We are getting shorted 2 episodes. Isn't anyone else upset about this?!?!?!

Please explain why Christian Shepphards funeral was postponed until Jack got back? This doesn't make any sense to me.

Hanto:

The Coast Guard plane is an inconsistency with reality. I'm sorry, but things like this (plane crashes with survivors) have happened and the survivors have not been treated like royalty with free government flights and enough money to buy controlling shares of major corporation therefore it is an inconsistency.

I wasn't stating canon about Claire's mom nor did I claim an inconsistency, my statement was that I was personally surprised because I assumed the mother was dead. Though they didn't say she was dead, it seemed like Christian was there to pay his last respects. It shocked me. It is entirely plausible that she is fine, I just didn't expect that.

I don't buy Christian's funeral. There has to be something going on underneath that. It doesn't make sense that they would have the funeral so long after Christian died. It isn't logical. What would prevent them from not having the funeral in the first place? Not having a body? Well they didn't have a body for the second one, unless???? You know he is dead and his body is unrecoverable therefore you go on with the original funeral. If a body goes down in a crash, you know it is still going to be a dead body therefore you have the funeral/memorial service, it wouldn't have been postponed and there is no way the Australian woman would have found out (who would call the Mistress no one knows about who lives in Australia to tell her about it?) about it in time to attend (it takes 24 hours to fly from Australia to the US).

ABC has found more hours for the final two seasons of Lost. The 2009 and 2010 editions of the hit drama will be 17 hours each -- not 16 as previously planned.

ABC has added two hours to the show's production plan because the WGA strike knocked three hours out of the current season. To partly compensate, the network recently added an additional hour to Part 2 of the season finale that airs May 29. All told, the changes will wrap up the show with the same number of episodes that producers and ABC negotiated last year

How do they get off the island? Freighter threat of exploding, Sun, Aaron, go back to Island. Meet up with Jack, Hurley, Sayid and Kate at the Orchid. Locke teleports them off the Island, into the future to a nearby Island. It is the same way Ben teleports to Sahara Desert. One shot deal before John saves Island and Island is moved.

Just a thought on how Desmond acted when Sayid went back to the island and when the people got back to the freighter. I think he is with Widmore and will be part of the twist in the final episode. He may also be responsible for Jin's death.

I have to agree with blutoschmooto - it does seem very strange to have Christian's funeral as we see it, but I think everything surrounding a group of people surviving a plane crash and not appearing for ~100 days will have strange elements. I don't think it's uncommon to have mass funerals for groups of people killed in a disaster - could be a mass funeral was held for all those who died on the flight including Christian and Jack obviously didn't attend that because he was busy doing both great and stupid things on the island. In the episode Jack claimed that the eulogy he gave Christian was for him - maybe the entire funeral was really for him? It's probably a stretch but it's all I can think of.

During Kate's trial in "Eggtown", Jack said they crashed ON a small island in the Pacific Ocean. Last night during the briefing they stated they crashed IN the Indian Ocean.

This is a BIG difference?!

You think this is just a continuity error or there is more going on here?!

does anyone know the translation of what jin said to sun when they found the C4?

I'm in question as to how Hurley musters up the courage to start using his sweet Camaro.

Mr. Sinister, Good job on pointing out the similarties. I think it's homage to comic book of x-men. I remember reading, the creaters of lost, stating that they loved comics, and even would of loved of connecting to with the show Heroes, and having the shows/storylines getting involved with eachother. Due to the different networks, that would never be possible. But, they definitley pay respects to different books, shows, movies, here and there, but they are probably just concidences.

I really like they way John and Geoff, are going back in forth. You can clearly see the show lost is so in depth, it really captures it's audience, and pulls you into the island. Right now, one is playing the part of Jack and the other John, one can see the physical truth, where the other see the signfigance in the meanings. Awesome.

I think Sun bought her father's company simply to gain control over her father. I can't see how Sun knows about the widmore/hanso-paik connection. I think in the end Sun will blame John Locke for Jin's suppossed death.

I love that Farraday still wears his tie. Great episode

Ha! I was thinking the same thing, tlw!! :) Why would you wear a tie if you were going to parachute onto a an island in the first place? At least he rolls up his sleeves. LOL

Along the lines of Bluto's comment above about the settlement not being enough:

I too thought that until the "5 bank accounts". Bear with me on this one:

1. Widmore and Paik are in cahoots.
2. Widmore and Paik pay the O6 (through Oceanic, which they also probably own) a ludicrous sum of money to keep quiet about the island and the coverup.
3. While we know Losties don't care for material goods, they realize by now the chain of command and that if they take the money, they can pool it and buy out Paik Industries, thus crippling Widmore and allowing them to hatch a plan to save the other Losties and the island. In this way Widmore and Paik bring about their own downfall.

Or, they could all be in purgatory.

Darel

Oh, by they time they get home, Sun will have found evidence of Widmore's and her father's involvement on the freighter before it blows up. The evidence will be destroyed, which is why they can't go to the authorities.

who was ben "communicating" with?
"john, that's none of your buisness"
UAAHAH

THERE is another person on their plane home! After searching through some blogs I found an image and there is another person sitting on their plane, even when Jack is talking saying to stick to their plan. Watch the begining of the episode again and you will see the mysterious person sitting in background. http://bp1.blogger.com/_Hxnvg45zlCw/SC0VFal9lMI/AAAAAAAABbY/HnMyzHAVKOQ/s1600-h/4x12-00099.jpg

whoaa THERE IS another person

So so episode

Everyone keeps asking questions pertaining to the Oceanic 6 and their return.
I think this is a diversion the Producers are hoping people will fall for.
Yes intriging but,
whats of more interest to me is the question of what will happen to the everyone else who stays behind. Especially Locke and Ben.
In the promo for the Finale, Locke says to someone (I think its Jack)"Wait till you see what I can do.
My question for everyone is, What does Locke find down in the Orchid?
I think that station will asnswer more qustions than we actually think it will. The Orchid may be the core of the Island, where i think we will see more than just the ability to time travel. We may find out what the true nature of the Island is. Some possibilities-
-The Island is not an Island, but was manufactured. That would explain its ability to "move". Maybe its from the future and has traveled back in time to our present era.
-The Island was part of the some "LOST" civilization that had figured out things such as time travel. kinda like the myth of Atlantis.(not that Atalantis had anything to do with time travel)
-The Island is just an Island, technologies were broght there making it special.
My guess is Locke will discover things we wont be informed about till next season or even season 6. I hope not, but thats how this show works.
Once he saves the Island he will probably take over has the leader of the so called "good guys". Ben being superceded will then work for Locke, hence him being off the Island in the future?
-Also Remember the numbers are still lingering. I think we've moved away from them just so they can shock us with the true answer behind the numbers.
-anyway what do you all think will happen to everyone that stays behind?
Will Sawyer follow Locke and join the others? Or will there be another split?
With two weeks to wait Im sure we can come up with some good theories.

"Killing someone who poses no immediate threat is wrong." That's an interesting thing to consider actually. Like the old question: If you could go back in time and kill Hitler as a baby, would you? As a baby he posed no immediate threat, but as a man he would become one of the most infamous mass murderers in human history. This sort of dilemma requires some knowledge of the future... Something that is impossible in our world, but in the world of Lost, is very possible, via whatever all-knowing power is behind the curtain on the island (Jacob).

Staying within the mythology of the show, lets look at Naomi's murder. She posed no immediate threat but she absolutely posed an eventual threat. Naomi is NOT on the same level as Faraday and company. She was in direct contact with Abbadon. She wore the bracelet, the mark of the assassins that the woman in Sayid's flashforward wore. Naomi was no harmless little girl. Jacob, or whatever force on the island is causing all these visions, etc, KNEW that. Knew what she was planning on doing (bringing the mercs, finding benjamin linus, destroying the island).

Of course in real life, you can not kill someone because they might some day pose a threat to you. But this is not real life, it is Lost, and in Lost, there are forces that can see the future, that can read minds, that can tell intentions. Forces with alot more information than anyone else about what's really going on. They knew that she was a threat, even if no one else did. That's why John attacked her, and that's why, ultimately, john couldn't kill Jack when he took naomi's place at the radio. John is just trying to protect the island. He's not a murderer of innocents. Naomi was NOT innocent. Let's not pretend otherwise.

My biggest question (and I haven't really taken the time to read comments above, just the original article) is why the time difference on and off the island was not reffered to while people are traveling back and forth?? I knew when they got into time travel (most notably this time difference on and off the island) that there would be holes and inconsistencies-there always is with such things). The have me worried now. I really like Lost, especially this last season, but I think they have dug themselves into something that they are already having troubles with, storywise.
Why was Desmond (and only Desmond, I guess) so disoriented when traveling from the island? Why did it take a day for them to fly to the freighter the first time, but Daniel can make a round-trip and everybody's just hanging out on the beach, not questioning why he has been gone for a day (or two)?
People being able to travel time and space from the island-ok. But how people who know little about the island and its properties are not confused by what's going on around them has just become inconsistent quickly. Hopefully, they'll be able to turn this around next year.
And yes, I know there may be minor inconsistencies within the body of this message, but I am not a professional writer and don't claim to be. :)

Geoff and John,

It's a T.V. show. Try to just sit back and enjoy it. I don't think the creators meant for people to throw insults at each other just because they disagree on what's going on.

-John Marshall
Naomi had to find the Island before they could send anyone.
Daniel and Charlotte were sent to disarm the 'purging' station.
Frank was the only method of bringing them. Miles probably came
because he knew that they had killed Naomi. Why does Matthew Abaddon
talk to Naomi to recruit these others just to see her shrug them (the scientists etc.) off as seemingly uneccessary? She had to have different orders than the rest of this group. She was likely their recon/intel person or someone elses. Bottom line is, Locke killed her to defend the Island and everyone on it.

What we do know about these folks, all of them, is that they work for Charles Widmore. Given what we know now about the situation, I'm not totally sold
Locke was out of line to kill her either.

Keene-
the guy looking for his girlfirend was not from a promo. It was from the alternate reality game Find815. And he was on the freighter that found the fake plane, not the Keamy freighter.

bluto-
it was a plane, not a helicopter and budgetary move or not, it's not out of the realm. Just because you thought the mom was dead doesn't mean that the reveal sucked. It means you were wrong, I thought the reveal was excellent.

It was a WAKE not a funeral.

Hanto-
If you choose to chase the delusion that Keamy's mercs didn't kill Carl and Rosseau, go right ahead. That's a sloppy idea (JMO) from someone who seems to have some really sharp opinions.

beckett-
saddest of the sad

david-
(1) common sense, dude.
Michael thought he was supposed to kill everyone on the freighter.
He gave them the note because he knew the captain was a hard-ass, as was
shown several times. This was after Michael saw Keamy and his boys shooting
machine guns off the deck. Michael didn't trust any of them.

Because you fail to see it doesn't make it a plot hole.

(2) Uhhhhhh, because Jack and Sawyer then had to go after him, which caused Kate and Sayid to go after Jack and Sawyer and likely caused something bad to happen that we haven't seen yet.

I'd like to know why an explanation you haven't even seen seems weak.

Barry Obama-
Keamy and his boys are professional soldiers. They were covering their tracks.
After all, they are trying to sneak up on the barracks, remember?

They (the producers/director) buried them with their heads exposed so they wouldn't have to take up valuable screen time digging them up. Common sense, here.

Mary-
Why does Sun need help? Here's an idea, she already had a stake in the company.
She was the only daughter of the owner. It might not be a large leap to think that she already owned a sizeable stock option for her inheritance. She then used the sizeable Oceanic settlement to buy a controlling share. Okay, so let's just say Hurley gave her a huge wad of cash. Still not a stretch.

It does not need to involve the rest of them at all.
The Paik connection to Widmore was given in the first alternate reality game, so it's not all in your head.

mts007-
Desmond isn't one of the Oceanic Six because he was never on Oceanic Airlines to begin with. Cindy is with Richard Alperts group.

bluto-
I refer you to my response to Mary about Sun and her controlling share.
I could be right or wrong but it's an idea.

Oh and IT WAS A WAKE, JACK SAID IT WAS A WAKE!!!!

JOED-
Desmond LOATHES Charles Widmore, what more needs to be shown to display this?

David-
Jack said, as plain as the sun in the sky, that they were in the water and THEN made it to land. Go read the transcript if anyone doesn't believe me.

Mark-
Did you watch The Constant? I'm assuming you did.
Did you ignore what Daniel said about the 'sickness'? I'm assuming you did.

When Frank took Dez and Sayid for the first time, they were knocked off the 305 bearing. This caused the sickness and the time discrepancy of travel. Since then, Frank has obviously stayed on it, Sayid stayed on it (both having witnessed what happened to Desmond) and Daniel is the only one who really knows what is going on, who knew what would happen to Desmond.

FYI, Wakes occur after funerals and if there was never a Wake originally (especially without a body) then it might stand ot reason Jack wanted to have some kind of proper ceremony for himself.

"FYI, Wakes occur after funerals and if there was never a Wake originally (especially without a body) then it might stand ot reason Jack wanted to have some kind of proper ceremony for himself"

And FYI Mr Demon Cleaner "i have an answer for everything" You should also know that wakes don't take place in churches or places of worship. Memorial services do but not WAKES

Firewall-
I think the person in the background is just another coastgaurd crewman. If you look at the image he is clearly in a uniform and on a plane like that where there is very little room to sit in the cockpit, they would have to also sit in the cargo hold. Also it would be smart to have a crewman back there with civilians.

Blutoschmooto-
First of all this show is not reality CLEARLY, so you can't fault for being inconsistant. Secondly , yes there have been other plane crashes but I don't think there has been one where all hands where announced dead, with confirmation of dead bodies, and then 100 days latter survivors appear. Those are some pretty extraordinary circumstances and ones worthy of a little extra treatment. Lastly, I think the service for Christian was really more for Jack. It was the entire reason he was on the plane, to bring his father back and get completion. As we know he didn't have the body, but he still needed that resolution. And who's to say that his mother might not have had a funeral for Christian after learning her son "died" in a plane crash. It could have been too much to have a joint funeral so as far as we know she may have just silently mourned. In any event it seems plausable because at least for Jack to finally have the closure of completing his responsibility to his dad.

I don't buy Christian's funeral. There has to be something going on underneath that. It doesn't make sense that they would have the funeral so long after Christian died. It isn't logical. What would prevent them from not having the funeral in the first place? Not having a body? Well they didn't have a body for the second one, unless???? You know he is dead and his body is unrecoverable therefore you go on with the original funeral. If a body goes down in a crash, you know it is still going to be a dead body therefore you have the funeral/memorial service, it wouldn't have been postponed and there is no way the Australian woman would have found out (who would call the Mistress no one knows about who lives in Australia to tell her about it?) about it in time to attend (it takes 24 hours to fly from Australia to the US).

blutoschmooto

Sorry let me repost that!

Firewall-
I think the person in the background is just another coastgaurd crewman. If you look at the image he is clearly in a uniform and on a plane like that where there is very little room to sit in the cockpit, they would have to also sit in the cargo hold. Also it would be smart to have a crewman back there with civilians.

Blutoschmooto-
First of all this show is not reality CLEARLY, so you can't fault for being inconsistant. Secondly , yes there have been other plane crashes but I don't think there has been one where all hands where announced dead, with confirmation of dead bodies, and then 100 days latter survivors appear. Those are some pretty extraordinary circumstances and ones worthy of a little extra treatment. Lastly, I think the service for Christian was really more for Jack. It was the entire reason he was on the plane, to bring his father back and get completion. As we know he didn't have the body, but he still needed that resolution. And who's to say that his mother might not have had a funeral for Christian after learning her son "died" in a plane crash. It could have been too much to have a joint funeral so as far as we know she may have just silently mourned. In any event it seems plausable because at least for Jack to finally have the closure of completing his responsibility to his dad.

So, more whispers in last night's episode. I thought I heard a man's voice saying "it's horrible", or something like that. I can't wait to read the transcripts for all the latest whispers. We haven't seen one since "The Other Woman". I think the whispers can give us some great clues.

uumm....completely irrelevant from theorising and other incredible lost related things...
I was watching the avi EZTV download and while sayid is on the boat going onto the beach (15:54/41:33) did anyone else notice a large seaturtle crawling across the beach?

Its quite blatant and stays on the screen for 2 seconds.... but then when he gets on the beach its gone..

Just a little something to note

A possible answer as to why Sun was able to buy enough of
a controlling interest in Paik Industries, how Carole
Littleton was made aware of Christian's death and the
loss of her daughter, and the inclination of the
Oceanic Six to not deviate much if at all from their
contrived story is this: Oceanic Airlines itself
either has become a front for the Island/Others (as
some posts on the Internet have pointed out, the logo
strongly suggests as much with its concentric but
inconsistent circles, indicating that the Island's
science is not entirely precise) or a significant part
of its management answers to Jacob and the very mobile
atoll, which is why Frank Lapidus, destined to be a
part of a Widmore reconnaissance team, was replaced by
Seth Norris as pilot of Flight 815 from Sydney on
September 22, 2004 - if this is indeed the case,
Oceanic, knowing of Paik's vital relationship with
Widmore, may have provided Sun with whatever resources
necessary to obstruct the efforts of both to reclaim
the Island.....in fact, it may have been Paik's OWN
CONTROLLING INTEREST IN OCEANIC (remember Sun's words
about her father being the reason why she and Jin were
on that plane; it would also make sense if Ben and
Paik-Widmore had some sort of partnership that went
very sour) that his daughter was able to obtain as
well and rob the 2 industrialists of unfettered access
to a crucial resource in reclaiming the island.....

Demon Cleaner,
I understand you are passionate about Lost like so many others here, but the majority of people on the boards are able to express or rebuke opinions with constructive criticism. Calling people's opinion "wrong" on objective preferences and telling others they are "delusional" is not constructive, it is merely being a troll. You offer no evidence from the shows to support your opinion instead you try to make your opinion fact by demeaning others. Also the English language is complex for many people, especially Americanized English. Wakes and funerals can be used synonymously. Taken from websters.com, Wake:a watch or vigil by the body of a dead person before burial, sometimes accompanied by feasting or merrymaking. Funeral: the ceremonies for a dead person prior to burial or cremation; obsequies.
As for the Claire/Jack, I never said it was poor because I thought the Mom was dead, it was poor because it was bad writing. Rather than taken the time to let it unfold and be discovered in natural matter they had someone just pop in and hit us over the head with the information essentially saying "I'm Claires mom, Christian is her dad, that makes you her brother." It is lazy, equivalent to introducing Ben Linus by having him at the beginning of the show say "Hi, I'm Ben Linus the evil boss who runs the island, but I'm not really evil because I'm trying to save humanity from Widmore, but there are interesting things on the island like the smoke monster, time travel machine and a submarine." Wasn't finding out information about Ben much more satisfying because it came out in the natural progression of the show, being discovered rather than blurted out? In my opinion it would have been the better choice, and again it is merely my opinion.

Elle:

I am aware the show is not reality. If the Lost writers were not grounded in some reality, then the show would not be successful. It would be sci-fi, not drama. The writers must ground the show in reality to make the unbelievable believable. The characters on the show are all grounded in reality which makes us believe they are real and it is interesting to see how real people react to the unbelievable. If Sawyer could fly and Jack could turn invisible on day one, people probably would not have watched this show. That being said, the inconsistencies remove the pact between the viewers and writers about being grounded in reality. If the writers, and this is my opinion, can't get the small things right then either the pact is being broken OR they are specifically changing reality for a future reveal. Again, I am open minded, if you can show me a case where plane crash survivors have received enough money to buy controlling shares of a major company, I'll find the show believable. The fact is it hasn't happened and won't happen no matter how horrifically the passengers suffer. Therefore this is either an inconsistency with the real world OR something is going on behind the scenes such as Widmore or Linus giving these passengers tons of hush money. Let's take Alice in Wonderland as an example, if Alice went to Wonderland which was a magical and whimsical place we would think it was a great adventure, but if she went home and it was magical and whimsical just like Wonderland than it wouldn't have been a good story. The book is grounded by Alice being a normal girl from a normal place people can relate to being put in an extraordinary situation.

As for the funeral you raised good points, but it just didn't seem like this was the second wake/funeral for Christian. There were too many people there,it is plausible, but I don't think that you would have had as big a turn out for a second memorial service. I also can't see someone not having a funeral for Christian with weeks after the crash. He seemed to be a popular person and community member, the community would have demanded a memorial service. Perhaps there is some underlying thing going on here as well, but the continuity of the scene didn't strike me as believable.

John Marshall: Locke's a loser.

I couldn't agree more! He always has been. Every bit of his story shows him to be incompetent. We all know how well the button-pushing went (he screwed that up). His daddy conned him out of his orgon, tossed him out a window - he just wined about it. Ben brought daddy to the island and he (Locke) couldnt even kill him - he had to get Sawyer to do it. Even in "Cabin Fever" when Alpert visited him as a child...Locke has always been a loser. And now that he is on this power trip he is acting all high and mighty to Ben. That won't fly for long. Has anyone noticed there is no mention of Locke in anyone's flash forwards?

As far as the freighter folk go: I don't think that Naomi, Miles, Charlotte, and Daniel are in cahoots with Keamy and his band of killers. I think thats why they left the ship earlier. Maybe they had their own agenda and were just "stowing away," - regardless - I don't see them as killers.
Did anyone notice that when Lapidus (another "good" freighter folk) ran into Miles and Claire/Aaron and Sawyer in the jungle and warned them to hide because Keamy was coming - you would think he was talking to the 815ers but he was actually looking at and speaking to Miles! He did this becuase Mile, Daniel and Charlotte bailed on their hostile shipmates, so now they have been ordered to be killed, too. Or maybe they weren't ordered - maybe this is just Keamy's own personal agenda (like killing Ben's daughter). Regardless, Miles and his trio do not want to run into Keamy.

Lastly: in the opening scene, on the plane, Sun didn't seem too upset for a woman whose husband just died (if indeed he did die). I know she said she was in shock, but she would have been grief-stricken if that were the case (you would think). But then she accused her father of having a hand in Jin's death. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? All I am coming up with is hmmm.....

Lostintranslation and Johny Marshall:Calling John Locke a loser is absolutely rediculous.From the very begining he has been one of the most interesting Characters on the show. Yes he has had a sad past. He was an Orphan, had his kidney stolen by someone he thought was his father, and then he was thrown through a window by that very same person. You call this person a loser? How insensitive can you be? The guy was a quadraplegic. Do you two go around calling handicapped people losers?Yes in the real world he had his faults and that because he wasn't meant for the real world, he was meant for the Island. All the characters on this show have their flaws. As for him not killing his father, that because he thought he was his FATHER. You call him a psycho murderor for killing Naomi and then mock him for not killing Anthony Cooper??? Make up your minds. This just points to the fact that he cant kill unless it is absolutely necessary. Killing Naomi at that point was necessary. You dont see him kill Jack even when he was about to make the call, now do you? The guy has a greater purpose.... A loser is someone who looks out for himself. Thats what Jack has done multiple times. In season 3 Jack tried to dip off the Island with Juliet. He was just going to leave everyone behind. That wasnt meant to happen, so Locke blew the Sub. During the finale in two weeks, i have the feeling that we are going to understand why Jack must stay on the Island, all the guy can talk about is getting off. Have you ever stopped to wonder if he was meant to stay? Locke was doing him a favor back in season 3 and as a matter of fact since season one when he asked Jack to believe in fate. This show is all about fate and it is Locke's fate to be on the Island just like the rest of 815. Not only is he not a "Loser", he actually has one of the more sympathetic and redeeming stories on the show. A true LOST fan would never see Locke as a loser, even if he isn't one of their favorite characters. Now stop with the name calling and give a more constructive analysis of one of the best characters ever on tv.One last thought- If Alpert thought he was such a loser, then why did he come to him during season 3 and tell him that "they" have been waiting for him???? Do you guys even watch the show??????  

-note from above (not a quadraplegic) but he was Paralyzed

am I the only one who thinks that an explosion will occur in the first minutes of the next episode?
it looks as sun will be the only survivour while the ship explodes.
and beacuse jack, kate, hurley and sayid are in the same place,
is'nt it possible that the ship will explode and lapidus heli will find sun in the water swimming for her life?
my guess is that sawyer will choose to stay on the island or do a stupid act of bravery and rescue sun while he gets stuck on the island.

OK - so maybe I missed someone else saying this because I haven't read all of the posts, or perhaps this is old news, but.....

Aren't Ben & Locke brothers? Both had mothers named Emily. Locke's mother gave birth to him as a teen and gave him up for adoption, while Ben's mother was much older when she had Ben.

Perhaps Richard Alpert will clear this one up for us one of these days...........

Did anyone else notice that the two reporters that seemed to be asking difficult questions to the Oceanic 6? It seemed as if those two knew something. Just a thought