I've a few thoughts on tonights episode and other episodes this season

1. Who the heck was the guy who pointed out to Hurley in episode 1 that Charley was approaching him. I mean, if it was Hurleys vision, how could that random dude see Charley as well? Who was that guy?

2. Who the heck buried Karl and Rousseau and how did the smoke monster not kill all the mercenaries?

Other thought, is it just me or does anyone else feel the show is just getting beyond ridiculous at this point. so many things are happening at once as opposed to the first 2 seasons where the show was about 1 certain thing. or a few shows were related to that 1 certain thing. seasons 1 and 2 just feel completely different than 3 and 4, in good ways and bad, but mostly bad. character development has gone completely awry.

- Rose is so wise. The island is clearly responsible for Jack's illness. I bet if Rose was around more we would already know the mysteries of the island.

- Shouldnt the mercenary team have been killed? I wish Smokey would have showed the same mercy to Mr. Eko.

- Jin is a badass. Im sure he saves Sun and her baby. Sun probably just put an empty grave for him in Korea to honor him.

- I didnt see an appendix scar on Jack's body while he was strutting around his house in a towel during the flash forward. Did I miss it or does this mean something related to the time line?

- Christian Shepherd...good to see him again with both of his children and his grandchild. I guess Jack is so good at raising Aaron because he is his uncle. Damn him though for taking Clair away from Aaron.

- Sawyer made a choice to stay?! Jack saved Kate by leaving the island?!

- I love lost.

Well - I guess those refusing to think Danielle was dead can rest easily tonight.

RIP Frenchy

So many things...
1.Jack and Kate together!
2.What was Kate doing for Sawyer? Finding his daughter maybe?
3.Daniellle is reallf dead folks. So Sad!
4.Why can't Jack raise Aaron?
5.What does Christian Shepard want from his children?
6.What has happened to Claire????????

One subtle thing that I was shocked by was when Jack said, "You're not even related to him!" I took that to mean that Jack knew he WAS related to him, meaning they figured out that Christian is father to both Jack and Claire...which would almost have to happen by Jack, Claire, and Christian being in the same place at the same time. Pair that with the appearances of Christian tonight, especially the fact that Miles saw him too and he wasn't in Kate's head, and I think Christian is about to explode into Lost mythology in a huge way.

Did it seem to any of you that Jack had some trust issues with Julliet? Insisting on Kate in the operating room. Pretending to still be out cold after the surgery.

Where in the world has Christian/the island/Jacob dragged Claire off too? The cabin? To die? (the same way Ecko's brother led him to his death?)

Also, nice Millinium Falcon toy! And did I miss the scene of Sawyer playing a guitar? This site had that picture on previewing this episode.

What are we supposed to make of the Millenium Falcon that Jack tripped over? Are they trying to tell us that Jack = Han Solo? I guess that would mean that Kate is Chewy. I supposed its a reference to another saga where people meet by chance, and only later realize that they're all related to one another.
One other note: last season Naomi called Jack "Moses" - fitting that he's related to Aaron, eh?

Dug the episode. Not like last week's, but was it supposed to be? These are the episodes that make me LOVE Lost. Sure last week's episode (my personal favorite) is an example of the kind that keep me tuning in and discussing the show at length, but I just love the character stuff. The final scene with Jack and Kate was so darn moving. You just knew this episode was not going to end well, obviously. But, it's just so sad to see Jack go back to how he used to be...just like his father.

The episode was ok. Jaters were given a crumb, but Kate and Sawyer will always be the true loves of Lost. Questions? How could Kate be talking to Sawyer if he's still on the island? What favor did he ask of her? If he's not on the island then why isn't he with her like he should be? I hope this is clarified and I hope Kate and Sawyer end up together once and for all.

I had the same feeling,that maybe Jack doesnt fully trust Juliet.

But More importantly it appears as if Dead people can come back in some capacity.
Some examples of people confirmed dead that have shown back up:
-Bens Mom
-Christian Sheppard
-Charlie
-Yemi
-Libby -(Im sure he would have seen Anna Lucia if she were on good terms with the
Producers and writers)
-Boone
This has me wondering if other mysterious visions are of dead people as well.
Examples:
-Walt -Yes i know that would be horrible but maybe?
-Jacob, duh
-Smokey- could he (or she) be all the dead people?
-Harper (Goodwins wife)
-Richard Alpert (when he appeared in front of young Ben)
-Dave- Hurly's first vision and dude from insane assylum.
(POSSIBLE SPOILER)
There has been rumor that Dave may have been Libby's husband and this all connects with the Psyc ward and seeing dead people.
Any way it is clear that some crazyness is going down and it all has to do with the deceased. The Whispers now make more sense. They are the whispers of the dead people on the Island. Maybe Smokey Is an accumulation of the dead?
Thats all I got for now, Any thoughts anybody ?
Also let me know if i missed and other dead people or visions that could fit this theory> thanks

Good filler episode...there was NO way they were going to outdo last week, but they didn't need to...

Few things:
1) Looking forward to the eventual reveal of Jack and Claire being related...
2) Sawyer is alive in the future...yippee!
3) Sorry to see Frenchy dead...I know they will get to her back story, but why and how now that she and Alex are both dead?
4) Smoke alarm = smoke monster...Smokey is making the rounds off island...first Charlie now Christian...
5) I have a feeling Kate's trip had to do with Cassidy and Clementine...
6) Also disappointed in Smokey's low kill count against the troops...there's a reason, I'm sure, but come on...he's SMOKEY
7) Jin's good...forcing Charlotte's hand was sweet...
8) Rose is right about the island...if Jack's "crime" was calling the frieghter, what was Ben's in regard to his tumor?
9) The psyhic in season one told Claire no one could raise Aaron but her...tonight, we hear Jack can't raise Aaron...leads me to believe Claire is still alive and that Aaron plays a far greater role in the struggle than anyone is mentioning right now...
10) In the begining, am I right to think the newspaper said Yanks swept the Sox? If so, it isn't 2005...yanks swept them in a series in 2006 and in 2007, neither of which ended with A-Rod doing anything of enough importance to make Jack say "Damn A-Rod"...just some food for thought...

Red Sox series in question is definately August 2007 (details from screen cap indicate the article is discussing game Aug 30, 2007). Anyone think this is intended... or simply a slip up?

Maybe it is 2007 during this episode, but Island time doesnt work like that.
So when they try to go back to the Island, it may in fact still be 2004 or at latest 2005. ?

Is it me or can anyone else not wait until next week's episode? I have a feeling that we will get a HUGE amount of answers and the dead people are the key.

Claire will not die any time soon. I have a feeling she is very important in all of this. The psychic said Claire needs to raise the baby and now Charley is telling Jack that he can't. I have a feeling that Claire raising Aaron somehow keeps everything right in the world.

The preview for next weeks episode will keep me awake in anticipation for days now. Thanks Lost.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the return of Horace Goodspeed in the promo for next week's episode!

A couple of quick things in response the summary and some above comments

(1) We don't know that Sawyer alive. And even if he were, we certainly don't know that Kate is currently communicating with on the island. The writers may want us to think he's alive to set up a shocker.
There's a simple explanation for this: Dead or not, Sawyer could have told Kate (before he died or before she left the island) to do this last favor for him. (I think it probably has to do with Clementine.)

(2) Smokey isn't necessarily ineffective. Ben could have summoned him to create a distraction so they could escape, not kill them.

(3) I really don't think there's anything deeper to the Millenium Falcon toy. It's probably just a little homage to Star Wars. Nothing more.

(4) Jack saying "you're not even related to him" doesn't imply that Jack knows that he is related to Aaron. And, for Jack to find out he's related to Claire would not require that Claire, Christian and Jack are all together. Christian could appear to Jack on the island and tell him. (Granted, I think there will be a scene in which Jack and Christian, possibly with Claire, will talk on the island.)

(5) When Jack gets out of bed and wraps the towel around him, I don't see a scar! (I don't have it in HD, but someone should check this!

(6) To Geoff: there's a great audio podcast (3/20/08) in which the producers talk about which "appearances" have been apparitions, Smokey, hallucinations, etc. Check it out.

(7) The Red Sox clip may be a prop error, but it may not. We don't know exactly when they get off the island? And, we certainly don't know how much time has elapsed since their return, Kate's trial, and Jack and Kate getting back together.

(8) And yes, I'm especially excited about Horace Goodspeed in next week's episode. I imagine it will be a vision to Locke prior to (or just after) their visit to the Cabin. I think it's Jacob telling Locke that Ben is not to be trusted. I agree that Ben has probably "imprisoned" Jacob somehow and is using the island in ways it was not intended for (including controlling Smokey).

Okay, that's all. Just wanted to share my thoughts.

When I saw the Millennium Falcon, I thought about the Island being the Death Star which is destroyed by the Rebels. Perhaps Rebel Jack is needed to go back to the island to help someone (Sawyer) destroy it at the end of the series.

Though the producers said that the "appearances" were apparaitions, smokey,and hallucinations. This does not mean that they arent trying to throw us off a bit.
Maybe these explanations are not mutually exclusive.
As for Kate on the phone during this episode. She was probably on the phone with Cassidy not Sawyer. Sawyer probably asked her to get in contact with his daughter before she left the Island. Lets not forget Kate and Cassidy have already met eachother. Also, I have the feeling the reason Aaron ends up with Kate is because Claire disappears for the rest of this season.
Now for Jack and the end of season 3.
Its obvious at this point(Something nice back home) he is starting his downward spiral towards the beard and Sceaming "we need to go back". He may finally learn that Aaron must be raised by Claire and that she is still alive on the Island. Im sure the reason he is mentioning his father throughout the finale of 3, is because the visions of his father keep happening. Maybe they end up revealing why they must go back.
As for Sayid in the future,he is probably looking for Penny not Windmore. When he finds her, I have the feeling he wont kill her, but join her in trying to get everyone back to the Island.
This Show rocks keep the theories and thoughts coming.

The first thing in this episode that caught my attention was the newspaper article that Jack was reading. It mentioned the New York Yankees "sweeping" the Boston Red Sox. Jack also said something to the effect of "Darn A-Rod" insinuating that Alex Rodriguez of the Yankees had played a major role in the final game of the series. Since the crash of the Oceanic 815, the Yankees have swept the Red Sox on two different occasions. On August 21, 2006 and August 30, 2007. In the sweep of August 2006, however, Alex Rodriguez did not play due to injury. In the final game of the sweep in 2007, Red Sox manager Terry Francona was ejected arguing a play that A-Rod was involved in. Therefore, I have come to the conclusion that the date of the first flashback in this episode was August 31, 2007.

However, I guess I should mention that A-Rod played a MAJOR role in another series sweep of the Red Sox, back on July 1, 2004.

It seems that Smokey hasn't quite been the same since his encounter with one Mr. Eko. Which brings me to the captain. It appears that the captain and a few of his best shots are on the island AND on the freighter simultaneously, unless of course a few days have gone by since the end of Episode 8. However, I've come to this conclusion, and therefore haven't really questioned how they're on the island. But even if there is a time jump or if several days have just gone by, where the heck is Desmond and Sayid?

And Christian? WTHeck? Look I realize that Aaron "mustn't be raised by an other", but Claire has done a horrible job thus far. I'm just sayin'. My sister has three little ones, I can assure you that she would NEVER just leave the baby alone in the jungle without a very LOUD fight. Disgraceful.

And I believe that in the future, Jack knows that Aaron is his nephew. I know they left his comment to Kate ambiguous when he said "you're not even related to him", but I think that meant that Kate isn't related to Aaron, but he (Jack) is.

I think Bob makes alot of good points. Knee-jerk reactions are normal but Bob has certainly mentioned most of the thoughts i myself had and that many others seem to have overlooked. I really don't understand how anyone could come to the conclusion that Sawyer is alive from tonights episode?? If anything it would point more to him being dust. But then again... who is alive? The lostyness of lost continues.
Also i think it's worth bearing in mind that the writters also know now how indepth fans of the show look into every little detail and personaly i think they like to play their games more and more.
Litte things like the smoke alarm and the star wars refference are prolly just another example of this.
As a last point.. There will be errors in the plot as is such with shows that are intricate and micro-managed. There will also be alot of things with lost that will never be explained in full long after lost is finished. It's just the nature of the show.
(i'm still trying to suss out twin peaks)

Good points tho Bob. :)

To Honto:

I do think that Sawyer is alive, but I agree that in this episode, they have confirmed nothing. Smokey did appear to be ineffective unless Ben told the monster to keep damage at a minimum. But why do that? These guys have closed in on you, and their only intention is to kidnap and/or kill you. I don't know why he wouldn't kill them first.

Also agreed with the Millenium Falcon thing.....it's nothing to look into. And nope, no scar. But that could just go along with the swift healing powers of the island. Not sure. And seeing Horace in the preview episode was crazy. I didn't want to mention it in my last post, but it seems like this forum allows it. So, what the heck.

And quick props to Jin. BMF.

I'm going out on a limb to say that Sawyer stays behind for Claire. I think he begins to have feelings for Claire, and since she apparantly is not able to get on the helicopter, Sawyer chooses to stay behind and watch over her.

That's right folks! I'm calling my shot!

lol

p.s. I haven't seen that mentioned anywhere (the Sawyer/Claire connection) except for a random line about Saywer feeling protective of Claire a couple eps back.

I have the feeling that Sayid, Desmond, and Michael are on the boat with Keamy and the mercenaries next week. Because of the time anomaly situations, they are all still on the boat even though they are on the Island in the Island time we've been watching for the past 2 weeks(i know confusing). Next week it will be revealed that Keamy and his crew are about to leave, and that Sayid and Dezy know they are going to the Island to kill everyone.

i agree with ryguy...character development has just jumped the shark.

What was the book Jack was reading to Aaron. Something about not being who we really are? I missed the title if they showed it. And Jack said his dad read it to him as a child. I just thought it didn't sound like a kids book. What was it?

The books was Alice in Wonderland (Through the Looking Glass)

Didn't Lapidus mention something to Jack at the helicopter about the Red Sox beating the Yankees? I don't remember exactly what he said but that is two Red Sox-Yankees references in the span of a few episodes.

Hey everybody - I got all excited and just typed a bunch of stuff, only to find that some of it has already been said above. Whoops. So I'll add some credits, where credit is due. I agree, for example, with much of what Hanto and AlienX42 said. A few things...

1) I don't think Kate doing a favor for Sawyer necessarily means he's alive. I mean, he might be. In fact, I think he probably is. But I didn't get the impression at all that the two of them are in contact currently. What makes y'all think that? I simply think that when he stayed behind, he made her promise to do something for him back in the states... probably something nice for Clementine, as Don pointed out. And when having secret conversations on the phone, Kate's probably just talking to Clementine or someone else connected to her.

2) I have to respectfully disagree with Devin in regards to Jack's "You're not even related to him!" comment. I actually took that to imply the opposite... that Jack has no idea he's related to Claire. He was saying that be hurtful and challenging to Kate, yeah... but not in an effort to draw any comparisons to his own relationship to Aaron. I don't think that was his point and had he realized his relation to Aaron, I don't think that statement could have had any other implication.

3) Aaron said: "I didnt see an appendix scar on Jack's body while he was strutting around his house in a towel during the flash forward."

Good call. Either the producers slipped up (which is entirely possible... especially if they've been filming out of sequence and the appendectomy is a recent storyline idea). Or, perhaps the island - despite having caused the illness - ends up healing him as well... scar and all. After all, Locke took a gunshot wound to the abdomen and not only lived, but seeming healed miraculously quickly.

4) There was a time when Libby's appearance in Hurley's mental institution freaked me out. It's true, Geoff, that we've witnessed tons of ghostly appearances throughout the show. But as far as I can remember, they've all either taken place on the island or if off the island, only in flash forwards and only to people who had spent time on the island.

5) Although "Lost" has often full of red herrings in the past, for some reason, these days, I think many of the things we've seen have been actual clues and/or answers to long-asked questions. And in this episode, I think that the smoke detector's activation was by no means a coincidence with the appearance of Christian Shepherd. I think we are indeed to understand that off-island ghosts, at times, take a smoke-like form... and likewise, I think that's meant to tell us more about Smokey on the island. Perhaps he truly is a a collection of deceased, lost souls... out to wreak havoc on those who are either attempting to escape their destinies and/or those who are a danger to the peaceful afterlife of others. Something like that... Just typing out loud now...

6) Shai said: "One other note: last season Naomi called Jack "Moses" - fitting that he's related to Aaron, eh?"

So true. I think it's becoming very clear now that Aaron is perhaps the key to the whole show. Just as the Biblical Aaron was a mouthpiece for Moses when he couldn't speak, I think Aaron is perhaps meant to be the same for the island and/or Jacob. The fact that he's the only baby to be born on the island (to our knowledge, anyway) makes him a very possible key to its secrets. And the fact that he is now being raised, off the island, by folks other than Claire, is a big problem for the island. And as much as it seems to want Jack and Hurley back, I'll bet it wants Aaron back most of all. And returning him there may very well end up being one of the final plotlines as the show nears its end.

7) AlienX42 could really be onto something with his pointing out of the difference between real world baseball and baseball on "Lost." When Jack learned of the Red Sox' World Series win back in Season 2 (?), it seemed to be reflecting the actual Red Sox win in the real world as we know it. It's as if "Lost" was making a serious effort to set itself in our own current world. But then, to later go and make an effort to set itself *apart* from our reality, in a flash forward, kinda seems to say, "The events that take place on that island will forever change the path of the future as we know it."

8) I love Gary's theory: "I'm going out on a limb to say that Sawyer stays behind for Claire." I think they've been setting this up lately and it explains why the episode tonight ended with Sawyer screaming her name.

But what do I know? This is "Lost" we're talking about. So I could be wrong about all that. Heh. What a great show...

- Matt -

the Red Sox connection ~ Jack's interest in the Red Sox may stem from his knowledge that they actually don't win in "off island reality" and that things have not been "course corrected" yet in that regard... he knows that things are off track and that, in order for the proper "reality" to actualize, the Red Sox must lose!! that's how he knows he's not done yet with his part in all of this... the importance placed on this tiny repeating clue may have bigger implications...

also, the division between Jack and Kate as far as stay here or go back to the island... Jack tried to make the happy fairytale for kate and aaron, to live the "normal" life, even proposing... but he knows he has to go back for Claire now. and Kate has a reason she can't go back (she doesn't want to give up Aaron? Claire is still alive?)... dunno about this. it's not just about a woman being mad that her man is drinking and being beligerent.. this goes beyond that, to his obsession that he must go back and her refusal...

the island's healing properties ~ yes, cause and effect, yes, Locke can walk! and only risks this miracle when he wants to climb up to the Beechcraft... because the island doesn't want him to die, his legs give out and Boone dies instead!! Jack's appendix, as he tries to leave the island... because the island doesn't want him to leave... Ben's tumor ..because the island doesn't want him to imprison Jacob... i could go on.

now, finally, the "apparitions"... little wisps of smokey appearing outside of the island, manifesting as "the dead"... sending out messages to come back to the island... messing with the people who actually "leave"... Charlie to Hurley "you have to go back"... Charlie to Hurley to Jack "you're not supposed to raise him"... Christian's appearance to Jack "you're not done yet"... all of the manifestations of smokey (in my opinion) manipulating the losties to keep order on the island and also outside the island... to not affect the future, things need to be a certain way. in essence, the island is doing "course correction"...

out there, i know, but this is Lost :)

I don't have the ability to do screencaps, but I can assure everyone that the scar was definately on Jack. It's very faint, but I did see it. If can anyone can please go back and look.

Loved the Episode last night. Just have to say that the whole baby being left in the middle of the jungle/Claire missing is pretty disturbing to me - I have an 8 month old and it's a little hard to watch those scenes.

a few things from last night's episode:

- Jack DOES have a scar in the flash forward: http://lost.cubit.net/
- Jack's new tatto on his back: K & 8 = KATE
- in the beginnig of the episode, Sawyer called Miles (Asian Guy who can see dead people) "Donger" a la the chinese guy from "16 candles". My wife & I rewinded it & were cracking up over it
- the X-Ray that the other doc, Erika, from St. Sebastian, asks jack to look at has a tumor on the L4 vertabrae...exactly the same tumor (thought not the same x-ray) that Jack removed from Ben
-the guy in the promos for net week, horace godspeed, ("I have been dead for 12 years") was the same guy from Ben's Flashback in season 3 who helped deliver ben & brought him & his dad to the island. What the F???
- Jin threatening to break every finger of Daniel if Sun doesn't get off of the island (he spoke this to Charlotte, in Korean). Charlotte is becoming the new Ben, the character everyone loves to hate

I agree with the majority of these comments/thoughts.

Some additional thoughts would be:
1. The big question this season has yet to answer is "What explanation is given to the Oceanic 6 to keep them from telling everyone about the island?" It’s a bit weird to see Jack, Kate and Aaron seem like a normal family and for Jack to tell Hurley that "I'm happy now". They must have been told one hell of a whopper at the end of the season to willfully tell everyone on the island goodbye.

2. Related to number 1, it will be interesting to see how Jack and Hurley (and maybe Kate) get back to the island – seems that Widmore can’t do with all his might…how would they (unless “the Island” demanded it)?

3. I doubt that Jin is dead and I wouldn’t be surprised if he showed up as another one of Ben’s accomplices (like Sayid) to help wipe out off island Widmore associates.

4. There has been a lot of connections made on this page re: Smokey = dead people. Interesting theory. Not for sure if this has been commented on, but would that also mean that Smokey is Jacob and the Cabin too? We’ve seen that the Cabin doesn’t stay in the same place and can move, which seems to fit this theory.

5. I was excited to see Goodspeed in the preview for next week. I remember that Ben killed him in the Purge many years ago…so there is always the possibility that Rousseo (sp?) and Alex could play parts in future episodes…we’ve never seen her back-story nor (equally as interesting to me) where she really lived on the island.

When Hurley told Jack not to "raise him", I thought there was a possibility that he (Charlie) meant not to raise Christian's coffin (to see if there was a body).

What about the XRAY jack was reviewing. Looks similar to ben's!

I thought it was a great episode. I love Hurley, he added all the good twists to it.

ANOTHER LIMB I'M GOING OUT ON!

I wonder what happens if Keamy is killed on the freighter before leaving for the island.

Does that mean that Alex is still alive?

If the freighter people are killed before leaving, does that mean that Danielle and Karl will not be shot and killed?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

I thought last nights show was great.

How about the fact that Miles saw Christian Shepherd when he was talking to Clair!!!!

I know he has "abilities", but to me it proves that there is something more then a personal hallucinations happing. If Miles and the guy from the Mental Hospital can both see the Christian and Charlie something is really going on.......

What do you think?

I agree with Hobie - Hurley did not tell Jack he was not supposed to raise aaron, but he was not supposed to raise HIM. Could be aaron, but I was thinking this probably has something to do with his dad. In true lost form, they were vague to make people assume one thing, but meant another.

Plus, how do we know she was actually talking to sawyer? I would imagine before she left he made her promise to do something. She could have been talking to someone regarding that. I didn't see any evidence that she was talking directly to sawyer. Can't assume anything in this show - they want you to and take delight in destroying those assumptions later.

The smoke monster is a collection of the dead souls on the island. It can take shape of whoever it wants to get its message out. It did not kill the soldiers because it needs them to do something for them. If Smokey had killed all the soldiers they wouldn't have needed Lapidus to evacuate them, eventually we will find out what Smokey's plan was.

Jack is not supposed to raise Aaron? Well, yeah. If Claire is still alive she should be raising the baby.

Jack does not know he is related to Aaron, he was merely pointing out to Kate that she shouldn't call Aaron her son because he is Claire's son and Jack was feeling guilty that they have removed him from the island after hearing that "He shouldn't raise him." I'm sure Christian Shephard will tell Jack at some point, but it has not happened yet and would have if Jack was not interrupted while checking the smoke detector.

If you can't see the scar when Jack has a towel on, it is because the appendix scar is covered by the towel.

Why does everyone think Sawyer is going to die? The writers have never given us anything to hint at Sawyers future unlike Jin and Claire. Until they give us evidence otherwise Sawyer will be alive at the end of this series.

Millenium Falcon? Didn't even think about symbolism until reading this board. The Millenium Falcon was the rescue vehicle that saved the galaxy by rescuing the one person who had the plans for destroying the death star. Jack, Hurley, Kate, etc need to save the galaxy.

Next weeks episode should be a top 5 of the season since Locke discovers dead people (Claire will probably be there if Christian leads her to safety in the refuge.) OH, and let's not forget Claire does not know her father is dead!!!!! She probably thinks he is alive and there to rescue her.

I could swear I heard Jack say in his argument with Kate that, he (Sawyer) chose to stay behind. Can anyone comfirm this? It makes sense. There were limited seats on the helicopter. If this is true then, Sawyer is alive and well on the island!

Ok, so mostly a question here:

Frenchy, Karl and Alex had left the barracks and headed toward this mysterious "temple". In route, they were shot and Alex was taken captive.

Sawyer, Clair and Miles had left the barracks and headed toward the beach. In route, they come across the very shallow graves of Frenchy and Karl.

It seems odd that (unless the temple and beach are in the same direction - doubtful), that the mercs would have carried Frenchy's and Karl's body all the way around the barracks only to bury them in the jungle.

Love Lost - just struck me as odd.

I'm not sure if anyone else brought this up, but just because Kate was doing a favor for Sawyer is not even close to saying that she can still communicate with him or that he's still alive. Jack said he chose to stay and gave Kate the "your stuck with me" guilt trip. Most likely scenario - Sawyer made Kate promise to take care of something for him as they parted (on the Island). I agree with you that it's probably something to do with Clementine, but thats it...

Jacks scar, take closer look at bathroom/shower are with him and kate.

The smoke alarm going off reminded me of the alarm in the hatch, thats why I thought it was bothering Jack

2 things:

In my opinion, Miles seeing Christian is irrelevant because he speaks to dead people so him seeing Christian isn't that surprising.

Also, that guy who pointed out to Hurley that Charlie was there could have also been sent by the island. The Island would know that Hurley wouldn't believe Charlie is alive, so sending a nobody to tell him that would help him believe, therefore listen, and therefore want to return to the island.

RE: Keamy, the freighter, and the time anamoly. While there is definitely something funky going on between island time and real-world time I don't think they are taking it so far as to have Keamy be both on the freighter and island. In Ep. 7 if you remember there was a small scene at the beginning of the episode where Keamey asks Lapidus if he is ready and Frank says "I'll be up." No doubt referencing their expedition to the island to try and take Ben. I only remember this scene because I thought it was brilliantly executed the way Keamey then turned with disgust and said: "Don't be late, Frank." making a slight allusion that Frank's alcoholism and moral conflict were being called into question; small character details that stuck with me.

Back to the matter at hand. The past ep also showed Frank, Keamey, and co heading back to the chopper to get back to the freighter so that is in line with them being on the freigher next episode. The only discrepancy is the Doctor: How is he still alive on the freighter (if he is) yet showed up dead in episode 9. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Just because Kate did something for Sawyer doesn't mean that she and he didn't have an understanding way back when they both were on the island. They could have spoke about what she did for him last night way before he got killed...And she could have been speaking with a private investigator or any body else about this case when she was on the phone in the kitchen when Jack overheard her... So to say that Sawyer is alive in the future, doesn't have any hard evidence, and shouldn't be perceived as truth. Although I know that most of you people would hope that he stays alive.

The only thing with Sawyer is he should have taken out the Mercenary when he had his gun to Ben's daughter's head, like had him in his sights from behind a side curtain, then when he shot her in the head Sawyer could have sniped him and now they wouldn't still have him as a problem.

Just a trivial tidbit about the Millennium Falcon: In Star Wars, two of the heroes discover they are brother and sister (Luke Skywalker and Leah Skywalker). This is related to LOST because Jack and Claire will find out they are brother and sister.

No big deal. Just something to chew on.

"I'll have to get her out on the Falcon". Everyone remembers that quote from The Empire Strikes Back when Han Solo and Leia were escaping the invading Empire on Hoth. They got trapped and Han took her with him on the Falcon. Wasn't long after that Leia started falling for Han. Jack said he saved Kate from the island like Han saved Leia from the Empire on Hoth.

Some people may think that Lost is getting bad because of all the new Theories that come up, but on a T.V. show like this there has to be a thing that these theories are leading up to. The next episode of Lost is called "Cabin Fever" and on my T.V. I read that it says they find the cabin, at the end of last night's episode they showed that one guy that said he was dead for 12 years I think this will explain some of these new theories(by the way can someone tell me who that is.

Some thoughts:

1.Why was Hurley so mysterious I know that he has been talking to Charlie, but why is this thing about everyone being dead.
2.Was anyone freaked out when you saw Jack's father holding Aaron? Now some people may think that he wasn't really there, but if you have been following Lost from about the first season remember when Jack was chasing his father into the woods and not up until a few episodes ago that someone saw Jack and who he was chasing.

Questions:
Why didn't Claire say anything about Jack's dad?
Why does Charlotte know Korean?
Why is the helicopter guy not like the other killers?
What is Miles secret like how he knew Carol and the French woman were dead and no sight of them since they were buried?
How does Hurley get back to the beach when he is with Ben and Locke?
Who was the new guy in the sneak peak at the end of the episode?

THEORY: Jin doesn't necessarily die. Though they get off the island, they may need to keep it secret from the rest of the world. His tomb stone may just be there to keep that image up. Meanwhile, the Oceanic 6 actually know who is and is not alive on the island.

The Newspaper article - The game was Aug 30, 2007 - however, the box score below the article shows the Angels vs. Astros - there was no Angels/Astros game near the August 30, 2007 date...

Whoopsie...

I really liked this episode...
one thought I had was, is it possible Kate's call was actually with Ben and her "favor" for Sawyer is like the same kind of work Sayid is doing for Ben as revealed in the Economist- how Ben reminds Sayid how he wants to help his friends... Kate has feelings for Sawyer and she's helping Ben (taking pictures of people like Bakir) it may be a long shot but it could be an interesting twist.

also, on another board someone mentioned the interesting point that Claire's baby ended up going to a couple in Los Angeles after all....

Did anyone else notice the boat behind Jack and Kate as they were walking Jack to his surgery? I was pretty clear but went by fast.

I keep hearing people say that Miles saw Christian Shepherd. I didn't get that impression the first time, so I went back and watched that scene. Here's the exact dialogue:

Miles: Morning.
Sawyer: It's way too early for Chinese. Where's Claire? Ladies' room?
Miles: Nope, she just walked off into the jungle.
Sawyer: What? When?
Miles: In the middle of the night. She just got up and left.
Sawyer: And you let her go alone?
Miles: She wasn't alone.
Sawyer: Well who was she with?
Miles: She called him 'Dad'. I would have followed them but I have a restraining order. (stifled laugh)

At first, I thought that what Miles said was consistent with the theory that Claire got up, wandered off, calling to 'Dad' off in the jungle, but Miles never actually sees Christian. I suppose that's still consistent with the dialogue. But I'm getting really hung up on "I would have followed them..." and not "I would have followed her."

My guess is that he may have seen Christian and known that Christian was not alive, given his talking-to-the-dead abilities (hence, the stifled laugh).

Oh, to "Lost is Good Now" - the guy who's been dead for 12 years is Horace Goodspeed. He is the one who was there to help deliver Ben and gave his dad, Roger, a job with DHARMA. That's how Ben came to be on the Island. He was killed in the Purge. (This is all in "The Man Behind the Curtain".)

This is in responce to ryguy's question "Who the heck was the guy who pointed out to Hurley in episode 1 that Charley was approaching him. I mean, if it was Hurleys vision, how could that random dude see Charley as well? Who was that guy?" If you go back and look at that episode again the patient talking to hurley say's something like he's watching you. When the camera cuts to Charlie if you look behind him to the left of the screen there's a guy just kinda standing around doing nothing. I'm pretty sure this is who the other patient is talking about and not Charlie. It's probably one of Widmore's guys keeping tabs on Hurley. Go watch the episode again you'll see what I'm talking about.

The date is defintely August 31 2007. Here is what the Newspaper article said. "The sweep was more emphatic last August when the Yankees ravaged into Renway Park and won 3 games to bury the Red Sox. the best the Yankees could do this time was to win three at Yankee Stadium and chisel a chunk from boston's sizable lead in the AL East. Robinson Cano Hit two home runs as the Yankees completed a 3 game sweep with a 5-0 Victory. The Yankees cut Boston's division leas to 5 games."
This was exactly true on 31 Aug 2007

This has been bugging me. Weird Parallel with Mirrors??

1) The episode FFW with Sun, at the very end before Hurley and grave visit, shows her putting on her wedding ring - in the mirror shot (very brief) -- it seems she puts the ring on her right hand (a sign of a widow), but the scene quickly flips to non-mirror view, and ring on left hand.

2) Jack's Scar also only seems to show up in the mirror in his bathroom. This is based on web screen shots.

ANY More mirror parallels?... Is a mirror somehow a reflection of the actual state of being one would be while on the island?? Or of past lives? Or loops in time?

The doctor that showed Jack to Hurley's room in the home looked like the same doctor that Hurley had years before when he was with Dave. Was it the same guy? That whole place/scene seemed so surreal, I just had a feeling that it was all in Jack's mind.

You can see the scar very clearly at least twice (at least in HD).

Good point that Claire doesn't know her dad is dead.

If Jack is Moses, that's bad news for him. Moses and his brother Aaron let their people to the promised land (so Jack will have to go back) but they themselves were forbidden from entering. If Jack is Moses, by the end of the series he'll have to actually rescue everyone else but stay on the island (presumably with Aaron).

The Millenium Falcon was referenced because Luke didn't know Leia was his sister and didn't know Vader was his father. I think the writers were hinting at that. Which goes into a theory of mine (I haven't seen it anywhere else yet) this episode has expanded upon.

When Jack is on the island it is actually the second time he's been there. When he's in the flash forward at Kate's he has yet to go back which is why there is no appendix surgery scar. Over time in future episodes we will see that Jack has been hopping onto and from the island trying to get events to occur correctly. But somehow Ben keeps him from getting back on the island, strands him in the past and Jack grows old .... and changes his identity to Christian, has a daughter with a blond-haired woman who resembles Sarah and adopts Jack (his younger self) and raises him. Claire isn't Jack's sister, she's his daughter. Remember when Jack saw Christian with Sarah and it looked like they were intimate? It was because this future version of Jack couldn't see her and not flirt with her. The alcoholism isn't a father-son thing. Christian's alcoholism is the end result of a decent begun by Jack in "Something Nice Back Home".
In the pilot when Jack is trying to get the coffin on the plane. I think then, "Jack" and "Christian" were aware of each other's nature, and worked out a plan to get "Christian" back on the island. Christian would commit "suicide" but he wouldn't actually die (as we have seen). Then Jack and Christian, two time displaced versions of the same person, would be on the island at the same time and Christian can finish his work on the island.

I like the idea of Jack being on the island for the second time, but the producers meant for Jack to die in the pilot and for Kate to be the central character. A lot of that original mythology has been retained.

Though we have seen Jack try to get back to the island unsuccessfully in an (apparent) flash forward. Which is actually a flash *back* in real-time.

It might be worthwhile to compare that theory with the Biblical story of Moses and Aaron. The producers have said that if you have a bible you can understand everything in LOST. For what it's worth.

To Slow: Hurley's post-island doctor is not the same as his pre-island doctor. His post-island doctor is Dr. Stillman (played by Bill Fiddler). His pre-island doctor is Dr. Brooks (played by Bruce Davison).

Stitchmonger: An interesting theory worth some thought. A little mind-bending, but not completely implausible (especially given this season of Lost). But my inclination is that you're going too deep (if that's even possible for Lost theories). Jack actually being Christian seems too far-fetched for me. Just my opinion?

Glass Ballerina: When did the producers say that having a bible is enough to understand everything in Lost?

The mirror thing is very intriguing. Wouldn't be at all unlikely that there is a recurring Through the Looking Glass thing. Hurley saw Charlie in the mirror at the convenient store in the first episode didn't he? And didn't Sayid see Elsa talking on the phone in the bathroom via the mirror? I don't remember if that's true.

I read a theory once that I think is pretty spot on as to what could happen.

To get back to the island, all six of them have to get on the plane using their golden pass. So they have to fly (either from Sydney to LA or vice versa) and all of them have to be on the plane for them to get to the island again.

That could be cool. Of course this came about BEFORE Ben was off the island in the flashforward.

So for all we know Ben could be the one who brings them back.

Will be interesting to see how everything plays out.

I am wondering how Kate is able to be engaged to marry Jack? Isn't she still legally married to Kevin (Nathan Fillion), the policeman she ran away from in "I Do"? Surely he would be able to find her now that the Oceanic 6 are so famous--and with all the publicity of her trial. Or did I miss something?

Kate didn't use her real name when she married the first time so it wasn't legal anyway. I'm sure Nathan Fillion's character filed for an anulment after she was gone.

Did i missed something along the way or can Hurley leave the mental institute as he wishes? Even being locked he managed to go to Jin's "funerals"...

Docisland,

The flash forwards are not in any particular order, as far as I can tell. Hurley probably went to the institution after having gone to visit Sun.

I think a possible Star Wars connection is Aaron=Luke. I.e., special child hidden away with family...just a thought.

Many of you obviously need glasses: Jack has an appendix scar in the flash-forward :)

Good character episode. Shame about Danielle Rousseau. Miles hears voices, though...

I thought that Sawyer asked Kate to do him a favor before she got off the island. Like maybe he sacrificed being rescued for Kate to be able to get off the island and he made her promise to do a last favor for him. I think he wants Kate to make sure Clementine is taken care of.

Ben/others wanted all the kids on the island because a child was responsible for overthrowing Dharma. As an easily corruptable youth, Ben was brought in by the Others and was raised to bring down the Dharma initiative. If Aaron or the other children were corrupted by a different faction, they could bring down the Others.

In STAR WARS, Luke was raised by his uncle much like Aaron is being raised by Jack in the FF.

Claire's fate:

I'm worried about Claire. This would not be the first time that the island has lured someone to his death by posing as a loved one. Wasn't Echo killed by a psuedo brother?

Great episode, yet again. Here are a few responses to other things posted here:

Bluto - you mention that the scar may just be covered by the towel. Now there are people on here who say they can see the scar, but even if you cant, your explanation actually makes sense. I am not a nurse, but I know people who have had their appendixes out. Their scars are lower down and WOULD be covered by a towel. Let us not forget that in the real world, patients have their pubic hair shaved before an appendectomy. Now THAT would have been one hell of a scene!

McHamma - you mentioned that Jack says that Sawyer chose to stay. Good point. I made the same point to a fellow fan, but she said that he could have been referring to the original split between Jack and Locke. In which case, Sawyer never makes it to the beach. However, then Kate couldnt have made a promise to him before leaving the island, so I dont think that is the way it goes and I do think he chooses to stay on the island for whatever reason.

Coco - good point about Kate already being married. But that does not rule out being engaged to someone. It may be a problem when the person tries to marry a second person, but Kate didnt marry the cop under her actual name. So no problem there. But then she doesnt end up marrying Jack either, so it is all really moot.

And about Miles seeing Christian - he sees ghosts people. He talks to them. So not a big deal.

Loved the episode.
comment on the smoke alarm.
although a different pitch than the hatch alarm. i think the measured beeps were used to get his attention. using something familiar to lure him near. this seems a bit more likley than smokey affecting it to me.

comments?

Who here still thinks that they're on an actual island in the south pacific?

Anyone ever read about moons and the connection to lost? i wish i still had the article that i read but i explains sooo many things. And i don't mean a "moon" like the one we see every night...i mean a moon that is orbiting about the earths surface - inside our atmosphere of course and it is made up of anti matter maybe? i can't remember the actual terminology but it explains how there are certain entrences to the "island" - but only at certain times. when this "moon" or "island" orbits and intersects with the earths surface....the "moon" idea is something that scientists have theories on or have had theories on and lost is possibly based loosely around that idea - only milking it and making it more dramatic of course, bringing the spiritual stuff, etc. On lost, this moon would intersect with the earth at a few places in the world. one is somewhere between fiji and australia...another is in around madagascar or ethiopia area (where the block rock was last seen)...and maybe in the artic or antartic (where those guys are that i think are working for Charles Widmore - monitoring the "island"..or are they working for Penelope?)....i can't remember if we know that already or not.
Anyhow, i still think that the island is something weird like that....why else would a boat end up in the woods like that? At certains times (set intervals - because Ben knows when it is...and so do the guys on the freighter...because there was something that Lepidus said in particular while on the frieghter before he headed back to the island the last time about making sure he leaves on time)....anyhow at certain times the island is "in line" with the earth at some location on earth and they can enter/exit through the worm hole - hense the time differences, etc. This "island" or "moon" is obviously spiritual - maybe it's heaven! lol....maybe Dharma was able to physically travel to heaven and come back when they wanted...lol....just kidding.

what about ben when we saw him wake up and seamingly in pain near his leg or ass or something....i think he fell to earth (if that makes sense) from the moon. We even heard Sayid say in a Preview for the next weeks' episode earlier this season while on the frieghter "What is this mooon?" or some referrence to a moon. i think the was the week that Des's episode was on....The Constant...at the end of the one when they show up a quick preview for "Next week on lost"...we saw Sayid on the freighter, questioning someone (i think the captain) what this moon was? Anyone see that? I don't ever remember seeing that scene in the next episode either....hmmmmm....maybe they changed their minds on letting us know it's a Moon just yet. or maybe the scene did happen i can't remember it or missed it. Anyhow, as i was saying about Ben in the desert last week...i looked to me like he just fell or landed on earth from some mysterious place maybe....(wearing a dharma jacket - wink, wink)....he got up and appeared to be in some pain...only to kick the poop out of those arab dudes. Ben right? could've been kicking everyones ass all along and we didn't even know! bugger!

Give this moon thing some thought! i'm serious.

I FOUnd IT! It's called Mirror Matter Moon!! Here's the link - you MUST read it...and others have added to it. this guy may not have it EXACTLY to a science right now but it was written a while back too....think also about Faraday saying earlier this season to Jack and Kate i think something about the lighting on the island being weird. The daylight is strange...i wonder why? 'cause it ain't exactly earth!! hehehe..

here's the link, read and have fun...give a chance too...i'm serious. it really explains some crazy things that we see on lost.

http://mirrormattermoon.blogspot.com/

As far aas the post saying that is was a slipup because of the yanks beating the sox wass in 2007, here is why that is wrong:
Arod has been a notorious slumper in thepost-sseason since becoming a Yankee. He played no part in helping them defeat the Red Sox in 2007 or any year. Evidentally the writers (correctly I think) predict he will come out of this slump and be the reason for the Yankees victory. This has not happened yet.

There are at least three possibilities I found for The Book of Laws, but one was extremely interesting. One was written by a 16th century Christian apologist by the name of Hugo Grotius (or DeGroot). One of his great influences was Jacobus Arminius. His theory of free will salvation for all was at odds with the Reformed Calvinists of the time. Hmmmm. Jacob. Further, each time that Locke has done things without giving everyone information or a choice, he is sorry for it. Locke wants Hugo to make a choice that he was not given earlier, and he is sorry for forcing him. Ben, ever the con man, believes that Locke has done this to manipulate Hugo, but Locke really does believe in free will.

Not long ago we were told that if we wanted to figure things out, to read the Bible. OK. Locke is a pre-existent savior of the island and has to take it back (redeem) from a false savior? The long living prophets of old (Alpert, Jacob and perhaps Abbadon)are waiting for messiah. They mistakenly look to Ben Linus, or perhaps just use him until the true messiah (Locke) arrives.