HE LOOKS LIKE LOCKE WEN HE HAD HAIR

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Jacob Screen Cap.

Hell i was right it was Locke All of long...

Huh...They're going to need a pretty radical explanation for why this dude could only be seen in glimpses and his voice sounded like the cryptkeeper. Also, why hasn't Richard aged a day while Ben and Uncle Rico have packed on the years? Does wearing mascara save you from 25+ years of physical advancement? Or is it some island power?

I agree! That is totally Locke wearing a rug!

Well it's either Locke or Kris Kristofferson!

Yes, Kris Kristofferson! I was trying to think of his name since the episode and I couldn't think of it!

did jacob ever get up out of his seat? if not, do you think jacob could be ben's prisoner? "help me"....?

I didn't see him! My husband didn't either!! WHat the heck????? Yeesh.

That Richard's kind of growing on me tho...I like him all dirty...

Back to Jacob...HELP ME...?!?!?!?!?!?!?

It does look very much like Locke. I wonder if he is just sitting there because he is future Locke that is paralyzed.

Or Locke with bad hair...if you can make a pic of this without the hair and put it next to Locke from this episode I think it looks really similar.

Argh Matey! Looks like a pirate to me. The Curse of the Black Rock lives!

def looks like kris kristofferson ... compare to nose to his profile on imdb.com and i feel like him being shown in glimpses isnt any crazier than a monster made of smoke which they will eventually have to explain as well ...

Yeah, Locke with a combover.

What is the friggin' animal sitting on his shoulder???

U CAN SEE HIM IF YOU PUT UR TIVO SLOW-MO

THIS EPISODE WAS AWFUL.
Jacob was the biggest JUMP-THE-SHARK let down I have ever seen.
What I am even more troubled by is that the Dharma Initiative appears to just be a group of hippies looking for 'harmony', nothing more interesting. It is also unclear whether there is ANYTHING interesting going on 'behind the curtain' is Ben just nuts? Even if Jacob is real, I do not find it fulfilling to discover that he is some nonsensical ghost.

If you didn't like it then why are you on a fansite? You don't have to watch it.

Remember when Makhail was talking to Sayid, Kate, and Locke in the woods....

and he was telling how horrible Sayid and Kate really where.... then stopped at Locke and said "the John Locke I knew..." and then got cut off......

what if Jacob really is connected to Lock somehow with this alternate universe/time traveling craziness???

An evil twin? I think Anthony Cooper hinted to Sawyer that Locke may not have been his only child.....

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How do you figure DHARMA was nothing but a bunch of hippies? The orientation Ben watched when he first got there mentioned special properties the island possessed, and their intent to harness those properties. I, for one, am still absorbing what I just saw. I'm stunned, amazed, enthralled, and flat-out refuse to wait another week for more Lost!

Here's what I think: (1) It's not Kris Kristofferson. That makes no sense. (2) Ben's not crazy - that's a cop out on an intricate story. Besides, we knew nothing about Ben for the whole first season. Why would his insanity be the central plotline? Lindelhof & Cuse debunked the whole "it's in Hurley's head thing" after the Dave episode. So I doubt that Ben's crazy. (3) Jacob = Locke is the most likely. Locke's been a key player to the story from the get-go - and after that great article here last week on why this is Locke's story... I think that this storyline is the most plausible (plausible in a rather loose sense of course!). I have no idea exactly how it all works - but none of us do! That's the fun!

look at the features of Jacob's forehead...definitely the forehead of John Locke

I definitely agree that Jacob could be Locke....but maybe also, could Jacob be Alvar Hanso??? This episode was GREAT!!! Lost is back!!

It looks like Brother Campbell (Desmonds's mentor at the monestary) with long hair. Check out this link and compare the noses.

http://lost.about.com/od/photosbyepisode/ig/Lost-3x17-Photos/Brother_Campbell.htm

Here's my theory on Jacob, albeit a crazy one. Jacob is the Island. Or rather, the person Ben knows as "Jacob" is a manifestation of the island. Jacob embodies the spiritual/supernatural essence of the island, and manifests to those who are willing to make sacrifices (Ben with everyone in DHARMA, Locke with Boone and Cooper). But Jacob's ability to take forms can explain Jack's dad, Dave, Yemi, all those crazy hallucination things. Plus, I very very firmly believe that ol' Smokey is basically the Holy Ghost to Jacob's God on this island.

How much you wanna bet that Roger Linus could throw a football over them mountains?
When Ben shot Locke, I was waiting for Locke to say.."Ow, it kills, it kills!".

I think it looks kind of like Bens father...I also think that the island is some kind of gateway between here and the after world or spirit world,.probably among other things. I agree Locke has some special connection,..though I won't speculate on it yet. I know that Ben has the ability to kill, as well as most of the people working with him,..and Locke was supposed to have killed his father yet he had Sawyer do it, that could be the key to seeing Jacob,..Locke couldn't see because he did not kill his father. as Ben did.Anyway just a thought or two...

there was a lot of talk of the volcano in that episode, wasn't there? the whole discussion in the dharma school, locke reaching down and noticing the volcanic ash around jacob's hut....? hmmm...

it cant be bens father . bens dad is roger workman they found his skeleton 4 espisodes ago in the VW fan.

WOW, i didn't even catch that, good one Justin!

Richard does not age because he is one of the original inhabitants of the island. I want to know more of these people.

Is Locke dead? If so, the Locke is Jacob discussion just got a lot more interesting...

Is that what that was? I thought maybe it was gunpowder, the way Ben was careful to step over it. But then, I know nothing about volcanoes or their ash.

it could've been gunpowder, i'm not sure...but when i first saw it all that i could think of was volcanic ash...

I don't believe that Ben actually had a conversation with Jacob. I don't think he can even talk to him -- the reason he shot John was because John actually heard his words while Ben can't -- it would certainly account for the shocked look on Ben's face when John told him what he said.

After the flash of Jacob is shown a flashlight is seen and then another pair of eyes (not Locke's or Ben's?) Does anyone agree that those were the eyes of Jacob, or am I not being critical enough, it is just the right side of someone's face and eye, like the upper right quadrant. Pleae discuss!

Two points here. Jacob (what we see of him) reminds me of Randle from "The Stand." I could see Merl's crossings gettin heated up now. Also, the ground shakes when Jacob gets pissed, as well as whe the hostiles attack DHARMA when Ben was little. We need to delve into who these "hostiles" really are to come up with who the hell Jacob (their all powerful leader who needs Locke's help) is. What's the deal with his hatred of technology? Are they trying to tell us that god exists and we are killing him???

That's a really good point. Ben supposedly had a whole conversation with Jacob, yet was unable to hear him speak to Locke. I still maintain that Jacob IS the Island, and will only reveal himself to those worthy, or those willing to believe ("You're too limited to see...")

Jacob = John makes no sense. If anything, Jacob is an entity that may have taken a similar form to John to say "Help me," foreshadowing what happens to Locke later.

Locke being Jacob opens up too many holes and would require too many bizarre explanations.

also, this was just pointed out to me by my wife haley...

"before they entered jacob's house, didn't ben tell locke that just, just like ben, disliked technology?"

could this be another key to the jacob is locke in some form theory?

Dude... Jacob is Eric Stoltz from that movie MASK. How has anyone not mentioned THAT!

I'd really like to see where there going with this. I'm still kind of in shock from this episode.

Does anyone else think Jacob looks like Ian Patrick Williams?

Image: http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Ian_Williams.jpg

This is the guy who played Alvar Hanso in the Lost Experience. He was also an "extra" on the show as an other. Maybe Jacob was keeping a close eye on the others. See the image on this page: http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Alvar_Hanso/Theories

Any ideas?? Talk amongst ya selves.

I dont know but Jacob does look at lot like Ron Perlman. Take a look at some pics on the net and pay close attention to the nose and chin. also, there was a rumor perlman was going to be jacob before

This episode was a trip. Although here were some troubling holes like the chick (don't remember her name) who gave Ben the doll, wtf happened to her in between young Ben and old Ben? Maybe I missed something, so feel free to fill in the blanks anyone.

We jumped awful quick from young Ben to grown up Ben. So he waited like 20 yrs to run off and join an un-aged Alpert? I dunno bout that. Hopefully Alpert not aging is explained in a podcast as something real, and not just some screw up or oversight.

I did like this ep, and i loved how it filled in the blanks with Dharma-Others and their history. I'm still confused though. So now the focus has shifted from who is Dharma and who their connection to the Others to who are the Hostiles and their history? Although I guess the Others are the Hostiles...I know next year is supposed to revolve around the 'Ruins' of the Island, so hopefully we get this in Season 4.

I loved the parallels b/t Locke and Ben. Daddy issues, both forced to end their father's lives to be accepted into a group they saw as better than their own. They're the same, except that Ben actually murdered his father, Locke did it by proxy.

This ep was fantastic, but I felt like we could have gotten more. I think the beach scenes probably could have been glossed over without too much of a problem and we could have packed more Locke-Ben-Island drama in.

And how crazy was that ending...I have this off the wall theory that Locke will die, but Jacob will take his place, as they may be the same person. Maybe sumthin to expand on Doc, that seems up your alley lol.

And finally...Jacob himself. When Ben was talking to that chair, I groaned louder than I think I ever have watching this show. But then...It. Got. Interesting! I'm still pissed that we're in the dark as to who Jacob actually is, but the fact he's not a doll, or a figment of Ben's imagination is enough to placate me for now...but the explanation for this better be damn good...although I think we'll have to wait till early '08 to find out anything more on our mystery man...

When the ground shakes while little Ben is watching the volcano I immediately thought "volcano." When Locke feels the powder when getting closer to Jacob's house (Ben rushed him here, hmmm) I thought "volcano." Then the earth shakes when a flashlight is turned on. I'm really starting to think that god (at least metaphorically) exists and we are killing him, but what of Ben's shooting Locke? Does Ben want to be god? Could Ben be a metaphoric Satan, one of Jacob's metaphoric angels who will try to take the kingdom? Hmmmm *stroking beard*

Oh, and on top of being absolutely identical to Eric Stoltz in MASK, Jacob has a sweet mullet.

I slowed my tivo way down and watched frame by frame, twice. At one point I noticed there was a puff of gray smoke hanging over the chair, while Ben was talking to him, it, whatever. I think that the point that smoky can take whatever form he wants is a good one, and he may have taken locke's form for the moment. Now I'm going to have to read that book "Evil Twin" - Jacob was the evil twin in the bible, right? Maybe he's the evil twin of Locke on the island.

I too, wondered why Richard hadn't aged a day, and not so much as a gray hair. It's not Neverland - Ben grew up, and Aaron's getting older - why not Richard?

Also, why did Ben all of a sudden become the leader? Was it because only he saw Jacob? Who was the leader of the "hostiles" before he came along?

I googled Ron Perlman and I think the forehead, brow, and hairline.

I posted earlier that I thought Jacob looked like Brother Campbell with long hair. Brother Campbell was a monk, meaning he had no use for modern technologies. It appears that Jacob is confined to the chair, probably by Ben. Brother Campbell was obviously steering Desmond to the island (his fate), which gives him a power that Ben has manipulated for his own unforseen plan. If Jacob is some form of Locke, then why did Ben tell Jacob that he was coming in with John Locke? Jacob and Locke and definitely two different people.

The 'ash' was the bits that make up smokey. Jacob IS smokey. Perhaps an original Dharma from one of the experiments somehow trapped? Jacob=smokey would explain the broken windows and such. Dislikes technology because technology trapped him.

Here's what I want to know. If Dharma got wiped out and Ben joined forces with the hostiles, how do they have the dough to run their adventures back in the states to get Juliet?

Did anybody notice the painting of the dog in jacobs place? It looks a heck of a lot like vincent!!

What makes you assume the extras just got to the island. They could very well have been returning to the island.

Also, I think that the substance was completley encircling Jacob's house and that is what was keeping him trapped there and why he asked Locke for help

I agree with Noblelawyer.

It looked like volcanic ash and it looked like it was circling the cabin....to keep something trapped inside it.

Anyone else disappointed with the Purge? That was surely uneventful. What happened to Candle losing his arm Doc? What happened to Dharma starting it? This episode shoudl have been the finale in terms of flashbacks...it felt obviously rushed with no development whatsoever. We learned nothing that we already knew about Dharma.

I think the aging has something to do with the Dharma meds they were injecting into people when they got to the island. Dharma folks age because they have been immunized against the island's effects -- this explains why Ben (who had the injection) could not be healed by the island and why Aaron is aging. Not sure about Alex - she seems to have grown up on the island as an other, but maybe she got an injection somewhere along the line.

RICHARD IS AN ORIGINAL ISLAND INHABITANT. BEN AND HIS FATHER ARE NOT. THIS IS WHY RICHARD SEEMINGLY DOES NOT AGE WHILE THEY DO.

In my opinion, Jacob looks a lot like Danny Picket with longer hair. I know that makes no sense and I don't think it's him but it looks like him to me. AWESOME EPISODE.

Good point. I seem to recall that sort of technique (ash being used as a safety net) in summoning spirits or demons or something like that (I can't put my finger on it). I also noticed a little black cloud hovering in the chair at one point that reminded me of Smokey...

It looks like the guy who played in the movie "The Mask". No way that looks like Locke. Look at that nose.

I agree with Steeeve's theory. It seems that Ben didn't here the voice and Locke did. Otherwise he wouldn't be asking what Jacob said.

Where did Ben get the gun? I must have blinked when that happened.

Did you catch the bottles in J's cabin? Was that blood in bottles on the shelf?

My personal opinion here is that Jacob is the island. The island is god. Jacob can manifest and communicate. I believe he was communicating with Locke but not Ben. Ben is cheating (using technology/DHARMA's resources). I think Ben has figured out how to trap Jacob, so that he may obtain the power of god...

A point here on Locke's shooting.. Did anyone notice him dropping pieces or peels from the fruit he was eating? When he does this they show a quick flash to Richard, Tom, and Alex. Me thinks that they will find Locke, and there will be a new sheriff in town...

Anyone else curious as to what that building was where Jacob was "living"?

I was hoping it would be the radio tower, thereby explaining why we've haven't seen it in 3 years but alas it was not. So was that a Dharma building or did the hostiles build it?

"This ep was fantastic, but I felt like we could have gotten more."

The mark of a great episode! We could have gotten so much more, they could have spelled everything out for us plainly. But instead they blew our minds.

Look back at LOST season 1 and look at it now, and tell me it isn't an amazing story being told.

If any of yall have seen the skeleton key...ashes were used as a form of barrier to keep spirits etc. out of or confined to a certain area. It appears that Jacob is trapped by someone and needs Locke's help.

sloneburg: are u crazy? that dog looked nothing like vincent. it looked like s pitbull.

i originally thought it was gun powder as a defense mechanism, but now i think volcanic ash.

after locke,mikhail, & co. DHARMA IS COMING. i have no doubt anymore. Naomi is dharma. did you see ben's face when told? THey are soooooo coming!

Locke is alive, and i thought that shot of jacob was totslly locke. & i have never ever thought he was jacob. he is alive, and somehow he is jacob.

can they please kill kate...she sucks..sayid is the man!

*Lets not forget how quickly Locke heals on this island. Between being in a wheelchair, getting that metal door speared through his leg, and his fathers bite to his hand i think we can rest assured that hell bounce back from this gun shot.

Out of all the lessons that could have been taught in the classroom for ben and annie they chose to show them learning about a volcanic erruption. I find that interesting.

Is Annie dead or alive? I have a feeling that Alex was told that Annie was her mother and died at birth leaving Alex not to ask questions which would help hide the truth about the french woman. Alex told Sayid that she was told her mother was dead and Sayid smartly replied "So that's what they told you?". Speaking of the frenchwoman, I have a feeling she wont dissapoint in the season finale. It's definitely going to end with a big bang so to speak.

joegela: are you the gantry's joe gela? if not u wont understand, bc i am wrong ..if so, whaaatt up?

I think it took Ben so long to actually go through with killing everyone in the group because he acted as a spy for the hostiles. The show is full of people acting as others just to get the inside track. (Juliet) Ben did not hesitate to send Juliet as a spy and he was well prepared to communicate with her during that time. Hes no stranger to being a spy and everyone has to be careful with who they trust. Everyone knows more than their letting off.

Look at the clothes Richard was wearing. Those are definately old clothes, they do not look current even for when DHARMA first arrived. I believe the "hostiles" took those clothes from the crewman on the black rock. I don't know where to go from there, maybe someone can help.

Ben obviously thinks Locke will help the island and he doesnt want that. He told Locke you have a communion with the island and you are important. He sure did not say he was important to him. It was all the more reason to get rid of him. Also I think the word summons is important. Did Jacob summon Lockes dad?

What is so different from Locke's light vs the lantern? Seems flashlights give off most of their light in infrared, that is sort of interesting.

Light is also, of course, a steady electromagnetic wave and we know the island has some "unique electromagnetic fluctuations."

Or was it just the 'Thought'? Locke turns on his flashlight with the idea in his mind that he will see something/someone and low and behold... he does...

i think jacob is jacks father. it kinda looks like him, with all the extra hair and beard and all...and that would make sense as to why jack's dad was always so mysterious -- maybe theres more to jack and his father than we think (hence the finale..?)

Did anyone see the "LOST ROOM" on scifi? The same shaking thing happened when they opened the door to the lost room. The people were caught between dimensions and could only appear for a few seconds. I think Lost is based somewhat in dimensions like that movie. Jacob is caught between a dimension. Maybe dharma was trying to harnes ssome power and he got caught.

Ben joined Alpert and the other "hostiles" in order to find his dead mother. Jacob was/is the leader of the hostiles, who are all dead, which is why they don't age. Ben trapped Jacob in the shack with the circle of ash in order to make him "deliver" his mother, but Jacob has never complied. Because Ben captured Jacob, the other hostiles now follow Ben. Jacob wants/wanted Locke's help to be freed from Ben (which is also why Alpert is helping Locke).

Also, my guess is that the reason we didn't see Ben reacting to Annie's death when they killed all the Dharmites, is because she was already dead. She got pregnant with Ben's child and died before the purge happened.

Finally, the large EM forces on the island are because it is some kind of way-station for the dead. Don't "poltergeists" trigger EM activity, supposedly?

Doc Arzt.....what happened to these spoilers?

"Finally, the planets have aligned properly and I can now release a few tidbits of info about LOST 3.20 that up until now I have been sworn to secrecy over. Read on for the sordid details.

1 - We will see Ben and several 'others' in Dharma Jumpsuits, but they are not scientists. (Ben MAY not even be 'Ben')

*True but only Ben was shown...I guess your source misinterpreted this?

2 - The episode will bring new meaning to the term 'Born on the island'.

*Seems a bit over hyped rather than just saying Ben lied.

3 - The formation of 'the others' is counter-intuitive. Those seeking breakthroughs on the island (the scientists, etc) are the ones seen as impure, the guys who sweep the floors are seen as 'fit'.

*This wasn't really explored, I hope it is in a future flashback.

4 - Marvin Candle's arm loss will be explained, graphically.

*I was severely disappointed with this not happening tonight....will this be shown at some other point?

More as it becomes available.

LOCKE IS NOT DEAD.... and ill get to how i know this in a minute. 1st off, great episode (all but the house shaking because jacob doesnt like flash lights ((very gay)) ).

Ben can see and hear Jacob. Ben was shocked that Locke heard Jacob right before he walked out the door. Now Ben feels that Locke is a real threat, Ben was special because he was the only one who could hear and see Jacob, untill that is, Locke comes along and within a few minutes can even hear Jacob himself.

Now my theory on whats happening next...

Locke isn't dead, did u notice where Ben shot him? Could have been a fatal wound to the Kidney right? Good thing Locke gave his Kidney away on his left side, huh? (see, everything does happen for a reason!) Now Jacob can help him, and heal Locke. Few episodes sooner then later, Locke returns, fully healed, now we have reasons for wanting Ben dead. Locke can take Ben's place at Jacobs side. When everyone see's that Locke has returned, he will have ALL of the others following him after that.

Ben, ur great, and ill miss u, but whoever shoots locke, ends up deaaadd..

To take it a step further... Ben shot him there on his left side where his kidney was removed because he knew the wound wouldnt be fatal, he also knew that if John really did hear jacob, and if jacob really thought John was special, then jacob would indeed heal him, if not, then Ben wins. Proving to not only the Others that he's meant to be in charge, but also to himself.

Why Jacob needs help is very simple...

Put urself in Jacob's shoes if u will.. Your a powerful "ghost" and noone can hear you or see you... But BEN! That means, everyone has to listen to Ben, because its considered Jacobs will, but is it really? What if after years of doing Jacobs will, ben decides whatever ben says can be considered Jacobs word... even if it isnt, who's going to say other wise? No one... but John Locke....

Doc: What was with the lantern? Ben lit it before they could enter? Flash light no good? flah light and non belief triggers jacob? Ben than places unlit lantern back? I have no clue, but in military we have a term"The smoking lamp is lit" meaning you can smoke/talk aloud/defenses down a midge.... lit lantern a sign to jacob that friendlies are here? why is ben so jealous that locke could hear jacob? why is locke pretending he though it was ben & not jacobe he heard when he clearly knows that was not ben speaking? what bout the whispers b4 locke see's his mom as a kid? in the woods? the whispers are back!!!! so much going on.. i have no clue anymore whats going on, and it make me wanna screeeam! but this is why i watch..comments????

Yo Doc...
Look at that one guys Dhrama Patch you no the Guy who Brought the Linuses there?He has a Arrow thru his Chest...
Kinda a Riddle!

I think you all are getting wayyyy ahead of yourself assuming Jacob is actually someone we know. That would defeat the purpose of Jacob's existence as a seemingly "ethereal" entity.

Let's first of all approach the idea that Ben might not, and in my opinion cannot, see or hear Jacob. Firstly, because of the utterly shocked look on his face when Locke actually heard Jacob say something, and secondly because he had to ASK Locke what Jacob said to him.

Also, it would not be an uncommon act for Ben to be luring Locke into the situation because he was aware of the fact that Locke might be able to hear or see him in the first place. In addition, why would he shoot Locke simply because Jacob spoke to him? Ben is aware that Locke has some form of "special connection" to the island, but he is also clearly aware of Jacob's existence but is more than likely unable to directly communicate with him or see him. The "conversation" he has with Jacob seems more like a provocation for Locke to become frustrated and do EXACTLY what he did.

Brew on that :)

Well, I got a business call 5 minutes before the show started and missed it all! I'm trying to contain my feelings over this still as I type.
Anyway, is there anywhere online I can watch this episode now or do I have to wait until ABC puts it on their site and if so do you know how long after air time/date they get them up?

I think the black stuff on the ground is black powder going to that stash of dynamite Danielle took from the old slaver ship. I think she plans on blowing up Ben real good for stealing her daughter.

I don't think Jacob is a ghost. I think he's out of "phase" if that makes sense. There was all kinds of weird experiments going on that island. Jacob might have had some kind of accident. Besides we've already seen Desmond jumping around in time and having flashes of the future. Maybe Jacob is in some kind of temporal flux. I think Ben was acting and he can't see/hear him. But he knows he is there. If he could talk to him why ask Locke what Jacob told him? Ben would have heard him too.

I think Richard and the original group of others don't age. Some of them may be some of the crew from the black rock. I bet Jacob was there leader and Ben did something to him to take over the group.

I think Locke is dead. If he's not then the show just jumped the shark.

although i agree somewhat, i believe he is absolutely horrified, and miffed that locke could hear jacob. ben has never had anything in his life that cared/he wanted in life besides his mother and his current situation. he does not want locke taking away from his "Attention". But i do think his convo was totally fake.... I HAVE NO F'N clue...
on a side note, i loved how locke whooped mikhail in front of everyone bc he was messing with his "ben/jacob time" (again taking from his attention)

"I think Ben was acting and he can't see/hear him. But he knows he is there. If he could talk to him why ask Locke what Jacob told him?"

Ben can, and in Ben's mind, ONLY Ben can hear and see him. Jacob could probably talk to John without Ben hearing, would explain why Ben didnt hear what Jacob said.

Also, if ur Ben, and everyone of ur followers knows that only YOU can talk to Jacob, isn't that a wonderful thing? Meaning Ben's word, wether it's really Jacobs word or not, means everything. Ben always gets to have the last say, even over Jacob... Why? Because Ben is the only one who can hear and see him. No one is able to question Ben about what Jacob says. This is what makes Locke such a serious threat to Ben's hold over everyone. Locke, as Ben just found out, can also hear jacob.

See what i'm saying?

"I think Ben was acting and he can't see/hear him. But he knows he is there. If he could talk to him why ask Locke what Jacob told him?"

Ben can, and in Ben's mind, ONLY Ben can hear and see him. Jacob could probably talk to John without Ben hearing, would explain why Ben didnt hear what Jacob said.

Also, if ur Ben, and everyone of ur followers knows that only YOU can talk to Jacob, isn't that a wonderful thing? Meaning Ben's word, wether it's really Jacobs word or not, means everything. Ben always gets to have the last say, even over Jacob... Why? Because Ben is the only one who can hear and see him. No one is able to question Ben about what Jacob says. This is what makes Locke such a serious threat to Ben's hold over everyone. Locke, as Ben just found out, can also hear jacob.

See what i'm saying?

Got a HD shot of Jacob, increased the brightness and contrast, it seems they've taken steps to prevent that sort of thing. I wouldn't know how else to "enhance" the image, so maybe someone else can work with it. From the profile shot though, it seems to look kinda like James Cromwell.

Jacob in HD: http://i6.tinypic.com/6fh3cqp.png

Oh, and that powdery substance surrounding Jacob's cabin? Looked like gunpowder to me.

i hear you jimyy and i feel ya! Ben is f'n pissed! he isnt as special as he thought! he's pissed bc his plan is backfiring, and he's pissed bc he is losing favor w/jacob/island! he is clearly jealos of the situation and wishes locke and this plane never "fell" from the sky. jacob needs help, and he now knows that jacob made this plane "fall" from the sky so locke could "save" him!!

I don't think that the sand on the ground was trails from Smokey. I think the 'Skeleton Key' was more appropriate. Hence, Jacob needing 'Help'. I think it was just sand, but the way Locke sniffed it, it could be something else. It'd be interesting if it was just sand; that would explain how Jacob the spirit can't get off the island, since, well, it's surrounded by sand.

Ben obviously wants to control the Others. Locke is a threat. I think Ben can hear Jacob and was shocked that Locke could hear him too, because no one else can hear Jacob. Locke will heal, either with Jacob's help, or without.

My guess is his magic healing was always because of Jacob.

It's possible that this is why Ben got the cancer in the first place: to get Locke to that moment we saw in Jacob's cabin where he says 'Help me.' Honestly, everything leading up to that point is because Ben had cancer. Jacob is locked (no pun intended) in by Ben and when Locke falls out of the sky, Jacob seizes on the opportunity to try and get himself freed. If this means that Jacob is God, then so be it. In all respects, on the island, he is.

I'm insanely curious to see a Richard flashback. And more Ben flashbacks. But really, the kicker will be when we see Richard, who maybe has four toes, eh?

How all of this ties into all of the other Losties is beyond me.

Something else: do you think it's possible that Jacob looks like Locke because that's how Locke would see Jacob? Like when Ben is talking to Jacob, he sees himself?

Just a possibility.

Code: 54439
EDDCI? Diced?
Also what code did Juliet use?

Richard can speak English pretty well for someone who is supposedly very old (blackrock)... could he be a time traveler from the future?!

Who keeps dropping food for the Dharma Iniative if they are all dead?

Who funds Ben and the others? How are they able to communicate with the outside world and have the resources they have?

One answer: Time Travelers!

Also Mikahl is supposedly an ex Solider, why doesnt he fight back with Locke? Surely he has a greater expertise in fighting than Locke does..

Ben killed his Father. Locke had to kill his to continue on his journey... Desmond goes on about Sacrifice...

Locke's not dead.

Look at the clothes Jacob is wearing. To me, it looks likes something an old priate would wear...(Magnus Hanso, Black Rock, etc.)

Magnus = Great

"Jacob is a great man"

And to me it looks like Timothy Busfield.

That's the best shot so far, and I'm starting to think that it's none other than Christian Shephard. Damon and Carlton said that there is definitely something to the fact that Christian's body was lost. If it were him, everyone would be wondering why they never caught his importance considering his name is Christian Shephard...

Here's my best attempt at "super-imposing" an image of Locke onto the frame we have of Jacob.

http://i2.tinypic.com/5x902aa.png

The chin kinda fits, but the nose looks different. Locke's nose is pointier. The more I look at the Jacob image though, and try to 'block out' the hair, the more it looks like Locke.

Also, Jacob slightly resembles John Locke (the other John Locke -- the philosopher): http://www.biografiasyvidas.com/biografia/l/fotos/locke.jpg

Jacob looks like Horace to me...

It also kinda looks like that Horace character.

The Wikipedia entry on a Magic Circle makes for interesting reading.

"This circle is also believed to be an area which straddles two dimensions or realities. It becomes a sacred space between the mundane world and the otherside. Also known as the "veil between worlds"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_circle

When you had it in slow mo.on tivo..did anyone notice right before the screen shot that is listed look across the wall in white..it looks like a image..a face..like a mirror..or smoke..help ..what is it

is it just me or does jacob look like jack's dad?

WHY RICHARD HASN'T AGED...
That wasn't Richard little Ben was talking to, but a vision (like his mother...like Desmond's future flashes, but a more advanced version). He was saying "be patient" because it would be many many years later when Ben would meet the REAL Richard Alpert, who would help him with the purge. This was just the beginning of Ben's visions, what makes him "special" and enables his communication with Jacob/the island.

"Ben can, and in Ben's mind, ONLY Ben can hear and see him. Jacob could probably talk to John without Ben hearing, would explain why Ben didnt hear what Jacob said."

Agreed 100%. Since Jacob seems to be the supernatural sort, it's certainly easy enough to be believe that he could choose to confront one person's psyche without communicating to anyone else at the same time. I think Ben's under the false *impression* that he usually speaks only to him. But when Jacob meets Locke, he recognizes a chance to be rescued from Ben's enslavement(something I'm assuming based on the fact that he left Ben out of his "Help me" plea).

How does Ben have him enslaved? I'm not sure. I think that Jacob is most definitely a manifestation of the island, itself. And furthermore, I think Jacob is capable of taking many forms - whether that be a vision of a loved one in the jungle or the black smoke (which erupts from the top of that cottage, I'm assuming, like smoke from a volcano, leaving ash in a circle around the cabin). So I don't think he's trapped, physically, in that cabin. But why he seems to waver back and forth between searching for help by appearing to people in friendly forms and enveloping / murdering them as the smoke, I dunno. It's almost as if Ben has Jacob enslaved and doing his dirty work for him - going out and killing people... yet every once in awhile, Jacob goes out on the sly, looking for assistance in escaping (appearing to the Losties as a horse from Kate's childhood, Walt, Jack's dad, etc... or in this case, appearing to Locke as his former self). Perhaps Ben is the reason he's stuck in a supernatural form... perhaps that's the sense in which Ben has him trapped and is holding him captive in an effort to pry from him the secrets of the island.

Also, I assume that Locke will indeed return. I like jimyy's theory about the missing kidney. Combined with Locke's ability to heal so quickly, it seems he could definitely overcome this gunshot. That, combined with the peel trail he left (good call, cap10tripps), should ensure a re-connection with the *other* Others. And when that happens, I think he'll assemble them and mount a revolt against Ben and attempt to free Jacob...

Something like that... Maybe... But jeez... all this happening on network television? It's hard to believe that the show's creators would have mentioned that sorta stuff when first attempting to get the show on the air. There's no way anyone at ABC would've greenlighted ("greenlit"?) the show had its recent direction been made apparent from the start. Whoa.

It seems to me that Jacob looks like Bens father....Just compare the picture of jacob to the one below of roger.

Am I right in thinking that this proves that the 'incident' and the 'purge' are not the same thing? The incident must've occurred either in or at some time before 1980 (which was when the Swan film was made); the purge, on the other hand, must've occurred much more recently than that. As far as I can work out, Ben would've been just a teenager in 1980. I realise that the Ben we see at the time of the purge is intended to appear younger than 'our' Ben, but not that much younger, surely?

This is killing me since I missed the show, how did Ben kill his father and how old was he?

Didn't a character (old episode) bring up a prophecy type thing about Ben and that's why he's their leader? Maybe part of the prophecy is that the leader is someone who has killed their father? Ben set up Locke in an almost impossible situation to kill his father - in front of a crowd on a stage like platform was kind of high pressure.

Can Jacob be sitting on a spot where the energy is the highest on the island and has learned to channel it? Sort of like those crazy gravity spots where stuff rolls uphill and people get sea sick standing there. He could be harnessing energy of some sort of natural source. Perhaps people born there are evolved as to be able to use it to their advantage?

And, how did it go when the losties listened to the tape about what Julliet was doing? Please tell me she get's tortured.........she's got that smirk going on way too much.

Wasn't Rousseau supposed to be in this one? I'm sure I read that.

At first I immediately thought of Vincent Schiavelli, but he's deceased. Instead - what about Jacob being yet another LOTR cast member - Bernard Hill (King Theoden)?

http://www.autographdealer.com/images/BernardHill444.jpg

Please, did the episode explain why the header over the entrance said Namaste? That's Hindu and only used to greet Hindus.

oh yes, I found this to be interesting about namaste
"In everyday life, "namaste" is not consciously considered a religious gesture. However, many believe it has a spiritual basis, in recognizing a common divinity within the other person"

I reckon Ben asked Locke what jacob said to check if Locke wasn't pulling one over his head. Making sure that locke's being for real

Did anyone notice how surprised Alpert was when Ben told him he'd spoke to his dead mother?

i think danielle (french chick) is going to use the dynamite to erupt the volcano

i think danielle (french chick) is going to use the dynamite to erupt the volcano

This is a question for any British readers old enough to remember watching television on the night of Halloween, 1992:

Did the fleeting glimpse of Jacob remind you of anything? Mr. Pipes, for instance ...

(It's highly unlikely that the writers of Lost are aware of the show I'm talking about. I just thought it was worth pointing out since this scene was handled in such a similar way.)

(One more thing: I think we can agree that the Jacob scene borrowed heavily from Psycho. It's a shame that it's Nestor Carbonell who's the spitting image of Anthony Perkins, and not Michael Emerson!)

I enhanced your pix a bit and got this: http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jacobrevealedvu0.jpg

It looks like he has a spider monkey sitting on his left shoulder. You can see it's white face next to his left cheekbone. And I don't think it's Locke. That forehead and nose look like the guy has Elephantiasis.

Jacob is Alvar Hanso.

Sincerely,
Persiphone

thehansofoundation.org

this will be my last post. carry the message.

jbdean -- I can't get the link to work.

I am calling Hal Linden as Jacob right now. It seems that Ben or someone has "captured" one of the whispering people and somehow keeps him in a shack. So the whispering people are probably from a different time dimension.

Can't wait to hear what the whispers are saying about young Jacob.

BTW- the mom appearing in the window about made me mess myself!

Here's your answer to the rest of the show:

Jacob = God
Smokey = Holy Spirit
Ben = Satan
Locke = Jesus Christ

Ben has had a hold on "His people" for years. Locke has "looked into the eye of the island, and it was beautiful." Smokey has shown Locke his purpose. Locke broke down Ben's front door and is now destroying him. He called Ben out on everything and the more he does this, the less control Ben has. Jesus did the same with Satan. And as Satan tried to destroy Christ on the cross, just as Ben is trying to destroy Locke with the gunshot wound, Locke will be raised from the dead and stand by Jacob to ultimately destroy Ben.

I feel pretty good about that. There have been wilder theories.

I think Jacob is a hoax that Ben, "The Man Behind the Curtain", is pulling on the rest of the Others.

Also, I think Ben shot Locke because he was a threat to Ben's control ocer the Others. When Locke was laying the ol' smackdown on Mikhail, Ben called for Richard & Tom to stop it, and they didn't even budge.

Did anyone else think that Jacobs voice souded alot like Kelvins voice?

I think Desmond is on the island to save brother Jacob. Jacob appears to be wearing a hooded robe. That is why it is so important for Desmond to be on the island, to save Jacob. Jacob could be related to Locke, brother, grandfather, Jacob wanted Locke's father dead because Jacob also had beef with him... thoughts?

I also think that Ben didn't know that Jacob was invisible, Ben also looked surprised when when Jacob used his power to push Ben across the room. Jacob has some distinct powers and Ben fears him. Ben doesn't want Locke helping Jacob to escape.

Jacob is the 23rd descendant of Adam and Eve in the old testament - hence the number 23! Also in the old testament, Ben is born to Rachel who dies during childbirth! - any connection

Anyone know a good place to get those whispers translated?

Good episode, but Jacob scene was weak. Shaking the camera, while invoking the earlier rumble when the Hostiles attacked, does not make a scene scary. Also, briefly flashing Jacob was derivative and did nothing for me. The only possible reason that they gave us so little, is that they haven't cast Jacob yet. Whoever Jacob will ultimately be, will be a different actor than the actual person sitting in that chair. Or maybe the writers got all lazy after some amazing writing over the past couple of months.

Does anyone get the feeling that Annie, whom we met last night as a child, IS Rousseau?

Jacob has some distinct powers and Ben fears him. Ben doesn't want Locke helping Jacob to escape.

Jacob doesn't need help escaping, thats not the problem. He needs help being HEARD. Yes, Ben can hear him, but i think Ben doesn't always listen to jacob, if Ben thought he was the only one who could hear and see Jacob, then thats just as good as being Jacob urself. Since no one can prove u wrong, or prove that ur not speaking Jacobs true word. But Locke CAN do this, and he's the only one other then Ben that can hear jacob. Thats why jacob is "trapped" in a sense, Ben is evil, Locke is good, Jacob needs a good person to speak his TRUE word, not Bens.

For what it is worth I do think there was a monkey sitting on his shoulder. I have created an enhanced image showing this. If there wasn't anything on his shoulder you would not see the light hitting anything...

http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2000082795442092466

If locke's dead I refuse to watch. Terry O'quinn is lost.

A few interesting things/confusions:
- We are supposed to understand after the finale why there can only be 48 episodes left. Could this have something to do with a volcano eruption?

- I think the reason why the lantern did not bother Jacob was because it is not considered advanced technology. Jacob does not like technology therefore the lantern was ok. Darlton said that Locke was on to something when he said Ben was cheating by eating chicken out of a refrigerator...could Jacob be angry at Ben for continuing to pose as DHARMA to continue receiving food drops and still using the stations?

- I still think that Locke and Mikhail have some kind of agreement. They were in the Flame for a long time together and Locke doesn't simply kill people so he knew the fence would not kill him. Mikhail did not fight back because the others needed to see some sort of violence out of Locke so that they would think he actually killed his father.

- Could the imploding of the hatch have changed the properties of Jacob in some way? Perhaps Ben hasn't been able to speak to Jacob since that day and that is why he is so angry that Locke heard him. The way that Ben "spoke" to Jacob did not fit with how he described Jacob being powerful. Ben spoke to Jacob as if he is the one in charge, he certainly wants to be, and told him to stop talking because he couldn't hear Locke. You do not speak that way to someone you are scared of.

Thats Jacobs problem... Yea im sure he is powerful and intelligent. But what good is it if u can only talk to one evil son of a btich who doesnt do what u say all the time?

I was just wondering… How does Kelvin coming to the Island play into all this?
In a previous ep, Kelvin made it clear that he was recruited by Dharma… but if Dharma was wiped out by Ben, than how could they still be recruiting?

And is anyone still wondering if any of this gives a little more explanation to the whole hatch and “numbers” mystery?

BTW- the producers and writers at LOST said that everything had a reasonable and scientific explanation. So JACOB IS NOT A GHOST OR GOD OR “THE ISALND”… right?

jacob sounded an awful lot like CLANCY MOTHER F'N BROWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm thinking the ring of black stuff around the hut is meant to contain Jacob in some way. Sort of like a ring of salt/sand used to contain spirits.

I like the Ben = Satan, Locke = Jesus, Island = Eden theory.

That blew me away! Good to see Ben has the daddy issues like everyone else. My first thought when Jabob's shack started shaking was, "Ooh, The Mystery Spot!"...you see the bumper stickers all over California.

I think Ben was surprised to find that someone else can hear Jacob and instantly recognized Locke as a threat to his position with The Others. So...shoot him. Although I doubt we've seen the last of Locke.

I, too, wondered if Annie might be Rousseau but when Annie talked without an accent I figured not. But we'll know who Annie is when the second wood doll shows up somewhere down the road.

Keep 'em coming!

How can you tell it's a monkey on his shoulder? The first thing I thought of when you said that was the pirate ship on Black Rock, then pirates, then the idea of a pirate with a parrot on his shoulder. Could it be a parrot?

A monkey on the shoulder only makes me think of a stre