way to only address 2 people who went with Jack. What a throwaway post on what is now virtually an inconsequential site.

I can't imagine why Karl and Alex would want to leave anyway, the Island is the only home they've ever known. I used to really like Rose, but ever since she was all happy about getting off the Island I just don't understand her. She fears her cancer will come back, she didn't seem unhappy on the Island, in fact she seemed to be one of the most well-adjusted survivors, so how can she make such a 180 on her position? In terms of everyone else, I can see why Hurley and Claire would join Locke, but the only surprise was Sawyer, maybe he did it because he has nothing to go back to anyway. Juliet, Sayid, & everyone else who stayed with Jack has ALWAYS wanted to get off the Island no matter what, and the threat these "freighter people" pose is still quite vague, so why would they change their minds.

P.S. Wonderful contribution 'david,' really. I mean, what a useful and positive post. Feel free to never give your "insight" again.

@David,

This is a good post. You leave the entire post with a complaint - maybe instead you should contribute something as to who else stayed with Jack so this will become a communal contribution.

Since you couldn't contribute because of your hatred of the TTS, I'll add something.
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Jack's Team

Kate
While Kate and Jack always had the means to do what they thought was right, involving tricks, they also have a tenderness toward each other. In "Whatever the Case May Be," Kate got Jack to dig up the grave of the Marshall so they could get the key to the case of guns. Kate did a trick with her hand to get the key without Jack's knowing, but she failed. Jack did similar tricks like taking the backpack of explosives in "Exodus, Part 2."

In this episode, Kate performed a similar trick, she took the phone while intimately hugging Jack. Doing so ultimately earned her trust (even though Naomi almost killed her) with the Boaties. Because Naomi covered for the Losties (or though it may seem), Kate has decided to side with Jack.
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If anyone else has observations, please bring them forward! :)

What about Sun and Jin? Did I miss something? It would seem that Sun has to get off the island due to her pregnancy.

And Sayid went with Locke. I think it's pretty much due to his realizing that maybe things aren't what they are said to be with the people on the boat.

I wonder if they will end up saving the other Jack's people from them, by ambushing the boat people. Of course with only four boat people, I don't know how much they can do.

Sayid most definitely did NOT go with Locke. I think they hate each-other even more so than Jack and Locke.

David,

I only addressed the two people who went with Jack because I felt it was fairly obvious why people like Kate, Sayid, Juliet, Sun, and Jin stayed with him. But thank you for your comment.

So this is slightly off-topic, but regarding the Sayid/Locke hatred...

When Locke and Hurley meet up with Sayid, Jin, Sawyer, et al, Sayid is pissed at Locke because he sees him as working against the castaways' interests and says something to the effect of "You blew up the submarine!" Locke is about to say something before he's cut off by the arrival of Jack and the rest of the castaways. Anyone else think he was about to say "But I DIDN'T blow up the sub."??? It's been on my mind and I don't know where else to post. Thank you for your indulgence and boo to the haters. Keep it up, Don.

I think the reason that Desmond went with Jack was definitely to find out more information, even if they are "not Penny's boat" the know about Penny's boat and so he has to find out what they/she knows.

The reason for Sayid to go with Jack is to protect them from the people on the boat, becasue if there is going to be fighting, Sayid wants in on it.

I definitely think we'll see some team changing going on as the season progresses.

woh Don's on a role... oh and FYI david, the whole "OMG THE TAILSECTION TOTALLY SUCCKS" phaze is sooooo 2 months ago...

can some1 plz explain this mystery, lock landed on h island and he could walk again, but the guys still bald... craaaazy

fyi TTSers, someone posted a few days ago that perhaps Rose was referring to Ben, not Locke, when she said she wouldn't go anywhere with that man. Maybe not.

Also off-topic for me, Hurley's flashforward apologizing in the gym to Jack for choosing to go with Locke and Jack's humble forgiving response, plus Tony's post about the repeated "HO" clue with H being the 8th letter and O the 15th of the alphabet, are mind tingling - RichPundit

Why would Rose be referring to Ben? Bernard says something like, "If you want to go with Locke, I'm right behind you." And even though Rose and Locke shared that tender moment (which, by the way, was all the way back in Season 2 when Locke got his leg crushed under the Swan blast door), don't you think Rose knows that Locke has been with the Others for weeks, that he blew up the submarine and that he knifed Naomi the day before the division of the survivors?

I think Rose still wants to stay on the island, because she thinks her cancer will come back if she leaves. But she also wants to stay alive on the island, which is why she stays with Jack. She feels safe with him.

And I agree with the people who have said that Desmond stuck with Jack because he wants to investigate the boat people and see if there really is a connection to Penny. Don't forget that Naomi knew Desmond's name and she had the picture of Des and Penny. Now he's probably even more confused about that.

I think Sayid stuck with Jack's survivors to protect them. He believes Charlie's final message, but he's also willing to give his life to get everyone rescued. His plan is probably to learn as much as he can about the boat people and then launch a major offensive against them and take the boat for the 815 survivors. Oh, and he also hates Locke with a burning passion.

I think you nailed it "b"

Hey Morty, bad spelling and the use of "z" in every other word is so 10 years ago...if you're fourteen years old.

Please stop before I put you on a plane and blow it out of the sky. Thanks.

You make good sense "b", and you may be correct as you are consistent with our unfolding tale as it is currently clearly leading us. Not sure if it matters either way, but do think that Rose's comment is still an interesting, potential LOST clue.

My LOSTy-sense is that Locke truly believes as he claims that everything he's done has been for the 815ers. It is clear that many have closely-held, secret information about our Island that they refuse to share including Jack, Kate, and Hurley as suggested in their off-Island flashforwards, as well as Locke and the Others including Tom, the Looking Glass "eye-candy", Mikhail, and Juliet who continue to blindly follow Ben seemingly based on that secret information.

But no question that almost no one likes Ben, yet several follow him anyway. In particular, clearly Rousseau hates Ben, yet follows his "favour" request to "get Alex as far away from here" as possible by going with Locke.

I simply think that our LOST writers frequently and purposefully, cleverly mislead us, and it's fun to try to catch them for clues to our LOST mystery adventure - RichPundit

I think it is the other way around. I think Hugo seeing Charlie is figment of his conscience (sp). He regrets not going with Jack because something happens to that group and he may have been able to help or by taking Clarie with Locke something happens to her, which he regrets.

I agree Buddy03p that Hurley may regret what happens to those who follow Locke, but not his misjudgment based on what he understood to be true from Charlie's clear hand message.

Separately but related, imho, I think that Aaron is a primary target of the Boat, as are all the other Island "Specials" including perhaps Karl, Alex, Desmond, Ben, Locke, and Walt.

However, don't think that this is inconsistent with my above post - RichPundit

The idea that has been going around that Locke goes all Jim Jones on his crew is not that far fetched - remember, Ben killed his father to fulfill whatever prerequisite there is to become Leader of O-Town and then offed about 40 DHARMA employees. If Locke has begun to parallel Ben (Killing his father, leading the new group) shouldn't we expect some sort of New Purge to happen?

cant desmond see into the future???
mabey he stays with jack because he knows that in the long run that its the smart move to make

RichPundit, you are a joke. - Double Signer

I'm thinking the same thing as Buddy - that something happens to Claire and it's Locke's fault. At some point I would imagine Jack and Claire find out that they're half-siblings (especially with Christian running loose on the island)but then something happens to either Claire, Aaron or both that Hurley feels was somehow his fault -either through inaction to a specific event or simply by being a part of Locke's group. Jack's "water under the bridge" comment seems to back this up, as you can tell by the conversation and interaction he has with Hurley that Jack is a bit troubled by what happened but has dealt with it and put it behind him. Hurley on the other hand is very distraught over it and has held a heavy burden of guilt for however long it is that they were off the island.

Speaking of which, how long does everybody think it's been between island rescue, Hospital Hurley and Suicide Jack? They seem to have moved on with their lives but seem only recently adjusted (at least for Jack). My guess is at that point it's between 2 - 4 months since island rescue and then another couple of months until Jack loses it. It seems unlikely that more than 7 or 8 months or so would have passed since their rescue, that would be both a long jump forward that couldn't be covered on the show in the time format that they use and it seems to be enough time for things to settle down a little after the initial fame and interviews from having been discovered to be alive but not so long that the Oceanic Six are comfortable in their new lives or that Jack/Hurley have given up on returning to the island. So if I had to say I'd guess around 6 months.

Desmond seems to be able to see the future, yes, but we don't yet know how his ability works or how often. Aside from a mention that someone (Jack? I can't remember) was "back" nearly all of Des' flashes revolved around Charlie's apparent fate. And remember, Charlie was able to change the circumstances of his demise, doing so until he came to the most selfless way to die, having thought he would help bring rescue. So maybe Des can't see as much of the future as some think, and he certainly can't force his visions to occur.

I think Desmond lost his ability when Chaaaarlie whacked him over the head w/ the oar. Just seems like his visions were a one season storyline.

Actually, if Lostpedia is to be trusted, it's been longer than we think - Jack's phone was a Motorolla KRZR K1m phone released in late 2006 and the funeral he attended was 4/8, which had to be 2007 due to the phone release date. The Losties crashed in late September of 2004 and"current time" on the island is sometime in late December I believe (it's been 90-some days since they crashed) which means it's been 2 1/2 years between the Freighters arrival and Suicide Jack's funeral visit.

Again, that's if the phone info is to be trusted. If that's the case, then I'd expect them to get off the island and then back to the island sooner rather than later so they can explain what happened during they're absence. Maybe Season 4 is Rescue, Season 5 is Return and Season 6 is The End.

But that seems like a damn long time to have passed.

RE: Sawyer's choice. I think that rather than surviving, he is motivated by 1) his desire to get away from Kate, who he loves but who believes he is not good enough for, and 2) his desire to follow Locke, who through the Black Rock incident has shown himself to at least understand the island better than anyone else. Only those who want to stay on the island, who have reasons to trust Locke, or who wanted to honor Charlie left.

I think Hurley regrets his decision because "live together, die alone."

I made a mistake with the Sayid goes with Locke thing. For some reason I have this promo in my head that I SWEAR I saw where Locke's people have a "boatie" who parachuted down or something, and they take her with them, and I'm thinking Sayid was with them.

Also, anyone else notice that they're in December, but there's no cold weather, no snow? Weird.

"but there's no cold weather, no snow? Weird."

So the on-island polar bears died due to global warming? Explains the abundance of fish-biscuits.

Also, anyone else notice that they're in December, but there's no cold weather, no snow? Weird.

Ermm... They're on a relatively small tropical island. Not the kind of place you get much cold or snow.

Gary- it's only cold in December in the Northern Hemisphere... Australia is warm right now, for example. DUH.

I think the reason they divided up the way they did is because, um, it's a TV SHOW and that's what the writers thought would be the most interesting.

I think Hurley says he wishes he'd gone with Jack in the FF because something bad happens to Jack's group (and Hurley thought he could have helped them), not because something bad happens to Locke's group.

Regarding Desmonds whack on the head via Charlie w/ the oar... Perhaps that is the beginning of a Des-centric episode in which our butterfly effector goes through another flash. However, this time w/ more of a conscious knowing of what is going on. This could eventually further explain his going w/ Jack...

cap10tripps: I believe the writers said that the Desmond "Flashes before your eyes" was unique in that it hadn't been used before and wouldn't be used again.

So they won't do that specific gimmick again.

of course they said that Christian was dead and dead meant dead, so...*shrugs*

The mobisode kinda crapped on that idea.

"Flashes Before Your Eyes" was unique in that it was a flashback to Desmond's past, but Desmond himself actually "flashed back" to that point in his life.

I don't think Desmond loses his flashes ability when Charlie knocks him out, but I also don't think that knockout will trigger another flash.

I think he probably has a flash at some point during "The Beginning of the End", whether it's during the walk to meet Jack's group or during the division of the survivors, I'm not sure. But it has something to do with the people on the boat.

what i wanna know is why didnt desmond give claire charlies greatest hits that he left for her?

found some more excellent discussion here: http://www.lostcommunity.co.uk/forums/4-01-beginning-end/6356-divided-loyalties-divided-losties.html

and here:

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