Episode Discussion for 5.1 “Because You Left” and 5.2 “The Lie”
Tonight’s the night. At 9pm, ABC airs the first two hours of season 5, "Because You Left" and "The Lie."
After the episodes, we’ll have reviews, analysis and our theories about what’s going on, but for now, use this space to comment on what you hope, what you want, and, after you’ve watched it, your thoughts on these two great episodes.
Enjoy!
I want the 4-toed statue to be Locke from the past!
Comment by Adam — January 21, 2009 @ 4:24 pm
I hope the show will start to reveal things that we’ve been trying to figure out for seasons now because, apparently, if they’re now going to have some quantum shit thrown into the show, I think I’m gonna have a headache after each episode.
Comment by Dale — January 21, 2009 @ 4:26 pm
I Want some answers concerning the smoke monster The Dharma Initiative and Widmore. I also want them to put Kate and Sawyer back together for good.
Comment by Kareem — January 21, 2009 @ 5:25 pm
haha. the ana lucia teaser was just for a ghost
Comment by Marc Brousseau — January 21, 2009 @ 7:05 pm
Oh ma god! Both episodes were awesome!
Comment by Sw0rDMaN — January 21, 2009 @ 8:00 pm
who was the woman at the end of the episode?
Comment by jason — January 21, 2009 @ 8:05 pm
who was the woman at the end of the episode?
Comment by jason — January 21, 2009 @ 8:07 pm
Who was that old women at the end of the episode?
Comment by Ronnie — January 21, 2009 @ 8:08 pm
was the same woman from the desmond episode explaining how he couldn’t change fate.the woman he bought his engagement ring from
Comment by Jester01 — January 21, 2009 @ 8:08 pm
the woman at the end was ms. hawking, the woman desmond saw when he had the flashes in “Flashes Before Your Eyes”
Comment by lostfreak3 — January 21, 2009 @ 8:11 pm
I Think it was Saywer’s pinky toe that got a stick shoved through the bottom of it. What if it falls off then he goes back in time and becomes the the person the statue is built for? I know this is stupid and I’m only half serious really but I saw someone post about wanting to know what’s with the 4 toed statue(so do I actually) and thought it was interesting that saywer had a big stick shoved up his foot. I’ve only watched the season premiere once(so far) and it might have been another toe for all I remember.
Comment by Adam — January 21, 2009 @ 8:14 pm
thank you, im a little slow, too much to digest
Comment by jason — January 21, 2009 @ 8:16 pm
Both episodes were AWESOME! I loved how they planted the seed that Ms Hawking might be Faraday’s mother but then at the end, she was with BEN!
I don’t think Sawyer is the fourtoed statue- I think that was a little shout out to those of us who remember Kate removing the dart from Sawyer’s foot in Not In Portland, a nice little link….. for those of us like Kareem who just want this ridiculous relationship with Jack to be DONE for good. But fantastic writing, non-stop pace and a mind twisting 2 hours!!!!! Well done!! Can’t wait for Jughead!!!
Comment by Shane — January 21, 2009 @ 8:20 pm
who was the butcher?
Comment by jason — January 21, 2009 @ 8:25 pm
So I have a question for everyone. Now this might have been debated already and if so forgive me I just found this sight last season and haven’t gone back over old posts. With it being clear Time travel is a center if not the center of lost who do you think Adam and Eve will end up being? I’m sure you know who I’m talking about. The two bodies in the caves from the first season. I’m still not sure who I think it will be but I think we’ll find out by the end of season 6. I’m guessing Jack and Kate although I admit that seems a little obvious but I want to know what everyone else thinks.
Comment by Adam — January 21, 2009 @ 8:30 pm
I am willing to bet that when Faraday told Hatch Desmond to go back to Oxford and look for his mother, he was referring to Ms. Hawking…
Comment by Mike — January 21, 2009 @ 8:31 pm
yes i think u are right mike. as soon as i saw the chalk board scribblings… i thought the same thing, esp. when Faraday was swept away right before saying her name. Did Ben call her Annie Locke?
Comment by Andy — January 21, 2009 @ 8:43 pm
Did anyone else notice that Locke was shot in the leg and fell to the ground in the same spot he fell in season 1 when he made Boone go up to the plane? All of a sudden he started getting weird flashes and couldn’t walk. Now, sometime in the past he was unable to walk because of an injury in the same place.
Comment by MikeyV — January 21, 2009 @ 8:47 pm
Richard told him what comes around goes around!
Comment by Andy — January 21, 2009 @ 8:50 pm
I believe Ben was asking the woman if she had “Any Luck?” determining when they would be able to go back to the island…..she says yes, in 70 hours….dun dun dun
Comment by Joe — January 21, 2009 @ 8:52 pm
Ah - “any luck” vs. “Annie Locke”
i guess I was saying it with my fake scottish accent 
Comment by Andy — January 21, 2009 @ 8:55 pm
ok, i orgionally thought that ms. hawking was daniel’s mom, but…. i’m thinking she’s got a connection to charlotte. Why would charlotte be having the nose bleeds, when no one else is? possibly genetics… and i’m thinking sun’s response to kate telling about the incident with the lawyers was strange… very subdued, but now i think sun would be too obvious. we shall (hopefully) find out!
Comment by Confused and trying to get my thoughts in order — January 21, 2009 @ 9:04 pm
FANTASTIC TWO HOURS OF TELEVISION! Hey, everyone please forgive me, but I’ve never posted before and have two (old) quick questions I need answered for continuity before they drive me nuts! (1.) Regarding the brief conversation between the flight attendant from Oceanic 815 (Cindy?) and Jack, who was at the time behind bars and a captive on the adjacent island, has anyone figured out what she meant by saying “we’re here to watch” when Jack asked what they were all doing there? Was the flight crew just “absorbed” into New Otherton? (2.) Fromn the same episode, were Kate and Sawyer really building a runway and if so, what for? THANKS FOR HELPING ME PUT THESE TWO QUESTIONS/ISSUES TO REST!
I CAN’T WAIT FOR JUGHEAD NEXT WEEK!
Comment by Michael — January 21, 2009 @ 9:42 pm
Cindy said “we’re here to watch” because they were all there to watch Kate’s trial for killing Picket. I don’t know if they were “absorbed”, but The Others decided Cindy and the kids were special so they took them (they were on a list from Jacob perhaps?). As for the runway they never explained what they were doing, but I believe the producers have hinted that the Others were just giving Kate and Sawyer manual labor to do.
Comment by Jason — January 21, 2009 @ 9:52 pm
it was actually juliet’s trial.
Comment by brian — January 21, 2009 @ 10:27 pm
I can’t remember if this was the exact moment I saw her, but isn’t Ms. Hawking in a picture with the monk that Desmond goes to. It’s a picture sitting on his desk. A very quick flash. But I recognized her right away. I think it was the monk and her with their arms around each other.
Comment by Michael Chapman — January 21, 2009 @ 10:47 pm
Not sure if there is any significance, but did anyone catch the compass that Richard gave to Locke? Was it the same one that was placed on the table during Locke’s Dalai Lama Test when he was young? Maybe this was the thing that belonged to him? Locke seems pretty confident about his knowledge of where things are on the island at this point. Why would he need something “that points North.” Also - kinda convenient Locke showed up to save Juliette and Sawyer. Maybe this compass directs him where he always needs to be.
Comment by Bit — January 21, 2009 @ 11:03 pm
I thought Ben said “Annie Locke ” at the end too! Why can’t I rememer this woman very well. I’m not sure if I’m perceptive enough for this show. I can’t remember all the litte details that become big plotlines! I’m getting confused!
Comment by Shannon Brown — January 21, 2009 @ 11:22 pm
Okay, I think that the Adam and Eve skeletons in Season One are Aaron and Ji Yeon. Don’t ask why, it is just a hunch. Aaron was conceived off the island but born on the island, and Ji Yeon was concieved on the island but born off the island. Maybe with these opposite circumstances they will be the only ones who are able to ‘circumvent’ the reproduction problems on the island, and maybe with all of the time problems, the two of them will somehow end up in the ‘past,’ where Jack and Kate then find them. Also, Adam and Eve had a light stone and a dark stone in their hands. Ji Yeon and Aaron represent diametric opposites in almost every way.
I just thought of this theory after the show tonight when Kate said to Sun, “I can’t wait until Ji Yeon grows up so that she and Aaron can play together” or something to that extent. Is this plausible?
Comment by Maddy T. — January 22, 2009 @ 12:04 am
Bit — Yes it was, I thought that was made fairly obvious.
Comment by bot — January 22, 2009 @ 12:46 am
Maddy it’s funny that you brought up Adam and Eve because I came to post about them as well. However, I had a different idea on who they are after this episode.
I’m just rewatching the episodes and noticed something interesting during The Lie right before the camp is attacked. Charlotte brings Daniel what looks to be two apples. I don’t think I need to elaborate on why sharing 2 apples is significant in terms of Adam and Eve.
This got me thinking. Charlotte says to Daniel in the season 4 finale, ‘would it make sense if I told you I was still looking for the place I was born. We also saw Daniel with the Dharma Initiative in the opening scene and if I have my timeline straight that’s 20 some years from the point in the past they seem to be (using Yemi’s plane crash and Desmond in the hatch as refernce points). Considering this and his knowledge of time travel, it would not shock me to find out that Daniel had previously been on the island as well. Additionally, it seems that they are building the relationship of the two, so them dying together makes sense.
I guess a major hole in my theory could be that they are on the island at the same time the corpses are, but seeing Frogurt die in the past tonight might mean that Daniel and Charlotte could die in the past, which would explain why their corpses are already there. I just don’t know how the black and white stones apply.
In no way am I saying this is accurate, but I definitely thought it was some good food for thought.
Comment by Chuck — January 22, 2009 @ 1:21 am
when is the record (island) going to spot skipping? I hope that ends next episode.
Comment by Dan — January 22, 2009 @ 3:48 am
We din;y know when the Island will stop skipping. But, since the writers’ now have this wonderful tool at their disposal for resolving many unanswered questions, I imagine it could take a few episodes … at least.
I’m surprised no one is talking about Sun. She most certainly seems different, almost cooly sinister, in the future (Oceanic six/back in civilization time). In her and Kate’s little tea party, she seems to be feigning an interest in Kate - either because she still holds her partially responsible for Jin’s death or she is looking for Jack for the same reason = or both, since they are not mutually exclusive.
Either way, it seems to me that Sun is carrying out her own agenda. Just think about it - we see her wanting to work together with Charles Widmore, while Jack now (and at least Sayid in the past - post-Oceanic 6) works with Ben. Did anyone else notice this?
Comment by Hanto — January 22, 2009 @ 4:37 am
OH…GOOD…LORD. what a group of episodes.
Im sorry, i really have to get this off my chest…im so sure that our Castaways are the hostiles. I dont know who ‘Jones’ and his hand-chopping friends were, but either theyre early Dharma people (imagine being a small scientific research team on the island and scruffy people come out the bushes and throw knives at you..you can see why Dharma would eventually call them the ‘hostiles.’) OR Jones and his friends were remnants of Russou’s (badly spelt) scientific research team. I mean, Jones didnt have a Dharma patch on his overalls..and he was english, and englands near france so it makes sense he’d be on the same boat as Russou.
As for everyone saying Anna Lucia is a ‘ghost cop’ and that Charlie at Hurleys institute was a ghost as well. Again, im not so sure…the show never reaaaallly aludes to ghosts. personally i think, somehow, anna lucia and charlie are just part of the whole time-skipping thing. I imagine that, to ethan in ep 1, Locke appearing then dissapearing was just how it looked to viewers when charlie appeared then dissappeared. he says to hurley ‘yes, im dead’….he doesnt mean in general…he just means he was dead THEN. sorry for rambling
Comment by Paul — January 22, 2009 @ 4:58 am
So Daniel explained that time is a street - linear time travel theory (which surprised me as I thought they would use String Theory’s Multiverse Theory) - so why didn’t Juliet disappear when they went back to “before the camp was built”?
Because Richard had brought her there earlier than the Losties built the camp, she would have been on the island already…?
It makes me think they will run into Doc Brown from “Back to the Future”. Maybe the ‘record skip’ (not-so-subtly alluded to early in the episode) can be fixed with 1.21 gigawatts of electricity (the white flashes).
Comment by JB — January 22, 2009 @ 5:18 am
does anyone know where i can watch/download the new episodes on the net?
Comment by simon — January 22, 2009 @ 6:00 am
JB, I completely agree with you and was surprised the writers are taking a linear time travel theory. I figured they’d take the approach that when you change something in the past; you create a new string and future. When Faraday tells past Desmond to go to Oxford and find his mother, isn’t he changing the future? They show present Desmond suddenly waking up with this new memory of Faraday telling speaking to him years before.
I don’t think Juliet disappeared because she wasn’t an island native. She was dislodged from time like the rest of the Losties. If she vanished, that means Faraday, Charlotte, and Miles should vanish as well… I’m my mind you’re correct that this means there are possibly two of her currently on the island, her present self and her past self.
Here’s what I thought was strange about the shifting through time. It appeared that everything the Losties had with them (spare clothes and the raft) shifted through time with them, but the camp doesn’t. Why?
Comment by BJH — January 22, 2009 @ 6:40 am
Is anyone gonna even try to explain what in the world Daniel Faraday was doing in the first scene?
Was he there traveling back from the future? And if so, why? how?
Comment by lovelocke — January 22, 2009 @ 6:57 am
I think Sawyer will lose his toe to infection. He has been running around the jungle numerous times without shoes…and they made a point to show the injury explicitly unlike other times he has complained about hurting his feet. Maybe he will make the ultimate sacrifice to save the world. That would leave Jack and Kate to be Adam and Eve and a grateful population to build his statue…
Comment by Susan — January 22, 2009 @ 7:46 am
Anyone have any theories as to why, when Sun is showing a picture of her daughter to Kate, she shows her a picture of an infant? Wouldn’t her daughter have been a toddler by then?
Comment by ERS — January 22, 2009 @ 7:59 am
who was the butcher that ben was asking to hold lockes dead body in the freezer
Comment by jason — January 22, 2009 @ 8:22 am
Last night I had an idea. Why do the writers keep obsessing with Faraday’s journal. What if Faraday didn’t have a journal, we could still accept that he is smart and understands the island. He keeps pointing out that everything he knows about time travel and Dharma and the island are recorded in this journal. Here’s my theory; what if his journal some how ends up far back in time, in the hand of someone else, maybe the original island inhabitants, or someone else. This would give them lots of knowledge to build on so that they could travel to and from the island, know about Dharma and their future plans, etc. Perhaps this is how Ms. Hawking, Ben and others manage to become lords over time and the island.
Then again, I could be far off, but they do keep pointing out his journal and the things in it and it seems to have more importance than just the fact that Faraday has some memory loss and he time travels himself. Someone else must get a hold of that journal, and I say it is in the past.
Comment by Hawk-Watch — January 22, 2009 @ 8:26 am
did anybody else thing it was just terrible? the acting, everything seemed either just too over the top, and too contrived to either try to explain something with pomp, or “wow” us with some reveal that was lame.
Comment by rooster — January 22, 2009 @ 8:34 am
Anyone else notice the ‘broken record’ thing.
farraday compared the shift in time to a broken record, and Dr Chang’s record at the beginning started skipping on the words
‘cant break a record, cant break a record, cant break a record’…just thought that was cool haha
Comment by Paul — January 22, 2009 @ 8:37 am
Could it have been Hawkings who typed “who is this” when seen on the computer in the hatch?
Comment by larry — January 22, 2009 @ 9:18 am
Here’s a crazy thought. Could Faraday’s journal and the Black Rock Captain’s journal be the same book?
Comment by James — January 22, 2009 @ 10:26 am
Right now it seems that the island/inhabitants are jumping through time randomly. Faraday realized that by finding a man-made structure they could guess at the time line depending on the condition of the structure. However when Alpert comes to take the bullet out of Locke he knew Locke would be there and explains this by saying Locke told him so. What I find interesting though is that this suggests that there is a pattern to the time jumps that Alpert understands and can predict. How else would he be certain that the next time he meets up with Locke he won’t recognize him? He must know that the next time he and Locke meet the island will have jumped back before they met - before Locke was even born. Remember Alpert was there at the hospital when Locke was born.
I hope they keep this time jumping thing up - it can answer so many questions like others have mentioned (the statue, dharma, rousseau’s team, the black rock, etc).
I also did think it was odd Sun showed Kate a baby photo, her daughter must be about 3 now. And Sun is acting suspicious but I just can’t believe that she would betray all of her Lostie friends to avenge Jin’s death. Something else must be going on…maybe she is planning on double-crossing Widmore. Maybe Ben has already recruited Sun like he did with Sayid?
Can’t wit til next week!!!
Comment by Lulu815 — January 22, 2009 @ 10:39 am
I agree about the string theory comments.
I am hoping that Daniel was wrong and that indeed changing the past results in a new and seperate future (string). When Hawking is at the computer it shows a bunch of differnet points on a map. I am assuming these are possible island locations at given times. They need to be on a specific one in 70 hours in order to be on the right “string” and start the chain of events that set things right for everybody. Right now as the island “skips” they are not jsut seeing past and future but alternate past and futures as well…….
I think my nose just started to bleed.
Comment by mike — January 22, 2009 @ 10:41 am
Right out of the gate I liked how ‘Marvin Candle’ introduced himself on the Dharma video, only to see a worker come running in yelling ‘Dr. Chang! Dr Chang!’. Clearly Dharma has been duplicitous all along - from the true nature of the stations to training staff. I’m really curious to see at the end of the day who calls the shots in that organization.
Comment by Dav — January 22, 2009 @ 10:46 am
As a non-tivo owner, ABC.com is great for watching these episodes so I can pause it to write thoughts down as I go. Here they are:
So when Ben Linus says things in previous episodes like “We don’t kill people, we’re the good guys.” Is this because they do kill the people, but technically they don’t ever die? Just wondering because Ethan had a shoot first mentality when he shot Locke which would contradict that. Unless the 815s were the hostiles, I mean the 815ers now have no clothes and would be ragged jungle people. This would support Ben’s comments that the hostiles are the good guys because they are the same people as the 815ers.
Is Charlotte not remembering her mother’s maiden name a bit like Marty McFly disappearing from his family photo in Back to the Future? Has something changed so that her mother didn’t exist or is forgetfulness just a common side effect from time travel?
How is it that the 815ers, Juliet, and freighter folks all time travel, but Richard Alpert did not?? This makes no sense.
Will Ethan remember pointing the gun at John in the future? BE kind of odd to see a guy just warp away if you were Ethan, you’d probably remember that incident?
The guys that tried to kill Sayid at the beginning of the show had to be working for Ben. One had a dart gun to subdue Sayid, Ben needs Sayid in order to return to the island. Sayid no longer trusts Ben and would refuse to go back with Ben therefore Ben will try and get him to return dead or alive. Ben did not look relieved that Jack found Sayid which he should have because it was one less person to find. Ben almost look upset that Sayid showed up at Jack’s, was he surprised because he was alive?
You can’t change a straight line Farraday said, they will fail if they try to do something different by changing time.
How can they stop the time travel? If Ben knew this could happen, wasn’t moving the island a poor decision rather than just preventing Widmore from taking it back in a safer manner? Keemey and the threats were dead and Michael jammed any transmissions from the freighter.
Jack said he would save everyone on the island, can he go back and live up to his word by figuring out how to change time to save boone, shannon, and all the others who have died?
Why does the sky turn purple when the island moves, exactly the way it did when Desmond turned the key??? Did pressing the button prevent the island from skipping?
Why can’t Sawyer go into the hatch to see Demsond? Farraday has already stated that they can’t change anything, so who cares if Sawyer get’s shot by Demsond if it doesn’t matter?
If Desmond has to go to Oxford and takes Penny, and if Ms. Hawking is Farraday’s mother who also works for Ben Linus, will Ben have his chance for revenge?
What ever excuse the producers come up with that the 06 have to go back is going to be epic fail. Why doesn’t Lapidus have to go back? Jin, Michael, Desmond, etc.?
What is really sad is the show is going to get so confusing the show will lose its importance and thus the producers interviews will be the most important source of information because they can’t possibly rationalize everything in the time constrains of the show.
Is Juliett stupid? They are time traveling and she suggest taking the Zodiac and going out into a shipping lane. What would that do? She’d be rescued, but stuck in another time period.
Is Miles hearing dead voices again? How did he know the time of death of the animal he found, unless he can talk to dead animals.
Did Ana Lucia add anything, I mean anything at all to the episode? Or was it just a cute little, wink wink, “Hey remember me I used to be a cast member? Pretty cool that I made an appearance, could have edited me out and had no impact on the episode…”
I can’t help, but wonder if anything we are seeing is a “changed future” flashforward. We have flashforwards and flashbacks on this show, wouldn’t flash fixes be the next logical step for this season?
Comment by BlutoSchmooto — January 22, 2009 @ 11:41 am
Ok two things:
1- Remember Faraday saying they can`t alter the events? When locke saved juliet and sawyer, wasnt he changing the past by killing those guys??
2- When Faradays Mom AKA Ms Hawking was scribbling and using the computer, i believe she was getting the location of the island after the teleport, and that pendulum indicates the place.
Comment by Lop — January 22, 2009 @ 11:53 am
I’m now 100% convinced that the next time Locke will see Richard will be when he’s reincarnated and that’s when he’s supposed to give him the compass
Comment by Jon — January 22, 2009 @ 12:41 pm
Is Lost turning into Heros? We know Locke is “special.” Faraday tells Desmond he is “special.” Ben and Miles are special though it hasn’t been said yet in explicit terms. All the special people have to come together to save the world. Sounds just like Heros to me.
To the people who are disappointed that time is not linear because you were hoping it would change, all I have to say is, no you don’t. By setting up time as a linear device that cannot be changed ever, isn’t it going to be a lot more amazing and powerful when someone DOES change things? If every president the US had was black, would Obama’s inauguration have been as emotionally moving? No. Because it was something no one expected it became powerful, just like we all expect time to be linear as laid out by the writers, if someone is able to change the course, it will be mind blowing! And they alluded to Desmond being special in his ability to change time.
Comment by blutoschmooto — January 22, 2009 @ 1:03 pm
Okay, so we know the island disappeared, right? But the Losties were sent skipping through time, but the island couldn’t have gone with them right? Or else it would have appeared in the same spot as the island in the past. So it’s just the Losties popping through time, not island.
Unless the island moved someplace else in time, and the Losties are caught in a time-skipping loop, skipping to the same places in time over and over again in a continuous cycle…
Gah, my brain bleeding….
Someone understand what I’m saying.
Comment by kyle777 — January 22, 2009 @ 1:52 pm
“Is Miles hearing dead voices again? How did he know the time of death of the animal he found, unless he can talk to dead animals”
It has already been established that he has psychic powers.
All in all, great episodes. I was a little disappointed in the time travel aspect. I was looking forward to the writters answering all these questions without the convienance of time travel. So in a sense, I believe LOST has jumped the shark. Still the best show on television!
Although Battlestar is gaining fast!
Comment by YankeeDan — January 22, 2009 @ 3:08 pm
BlutoSchmooto “What ever excuse the producers come up with that the 06 have to go back is going to be epic fail. Why doesn’t Lapidus have to go back? Jin, Michael, Desmond, etc.?”
TOTALLY AGREE. What about Walt? Why just the Oceanic 6? Makes zero sense. Michael and Walt left the island and didn’t have to come back. Now the 6 do, but not Desmond nor Lapidus, or Walt? Assuming it was just the people who escape “around” the time the island moved, then you need Lapidus. If it was just the people from Oceanic, who maybe need to come back to make things right, you need Walt.
What else bugs me is season 1 is sort of about kidnapping Walt and how “special” he is, but then nothing, and still nothing, he doesn’t even have to go back. Then it was Season 4 or whatever about “Jacob” and his flipping cabin.
very dissappointed.
Comment by rooster — January 22, 2009 @ 3:12 pm
Was it just me or did Richard look,act and talk exactly like Ben Linus when he was patching John’s leg up? Analogous characters from different timelines?
Comment by Bill — January 22, 2009 @ 3:28 pm
Did any one notice except for my LOST FANATIC boyfriend that the noice that the car in the begining of the episode that the dharma initative asian dude **blanked on name** made the same EXACT noise as that heard from the “Smoke Monster” I recorded this and I rewind the tape several times to find he is correct!!!! What could this mean!?
Comment by LOST Girl — January 22, 2009 @ 3:29 pm
Mrs. Hawking was also the the woman in the picture on the priests desk that desmond was at when he was trying to be a monk.
Comment by n8dagr8 — January 22, 2009 @ 4:21 pm
rooster,
i agree with you that the acting wasn’t at its best in these two episodes , but everything still worked pretty well. I think the truth is we’re spoiled by such good acting by all the regulars that when somebody like Neil (frogurt) gets a bunch of lines things just seem off.
Comment by mike — January 22, 2009 @ 5:16 pm
POSSIBLE EXPLAINATION FOR THE SMOKE MONSTER
The guys have said that the smoke monster ties into the whole theory of the island - my thinking now is that the snoke monster is a maifestation of ‘course correction’. Any time the smoke monster appears, or kills someone, it is doing so because it needs to ‘force’ the time line back into how fate has decided it wants to be.
The one time we saw ben ’summon’ smokie was when his daughter was killed - and he said ‘he changed the rules’. We’ve seen the smoke monster download memories, possibly just downloading ‘time’.
Anyway, just ramblings at the moment but i think there is something there
Comment by dave — January 22, 2009 @ 6:21 pm
Ok this may be totally off, but its just an idea.
When Juliet and Sawyer are running through the jungle a couple of British guys jump out at them and threaten to cut off her hand etc. I’m wondering if they have anything to do with Widmore. And we know that he has found the island before and we know that the people who found Juliet and Sawyer shared his nationality (British). I’m inclined to think that they are not Dharma (they dont have patches) and not others (they are wearing some kind of uniform, which would not fit with what we have seen of the others thus far), also they are armed, and ruthless (it sounds a little bit like Keemie’s (sp?) team).
Just wanted to throw it out there
Comment by mmac — January 22, 2009 @ 6:32 pm
Dave,
I can’t help, but think Ben has lived this all before through time travel. That is why he “always has a plan” and why he and Widmore can’t kill each other yet, because you can’t change the timeline, they know when they are supposed to die. I’d like to think Ben was so surprised by Alex’s death because it didn’t happen in previous iterations of the timeline. The rules that were changed was that history which wasn’t supposed to be able to be changed was, when Alex died. Know they have to figure out how it happened and why.
Comment by Blutoschmootp — January 22, 2009 @ 6:40 pm
Anyone think its significant that Sayid had Euros(or another foreign currency, I’m not sure) in his wallet as well as USD?
Comment by German — January 22, 2009 @ 7:39 pm
Did anyone notice in episode one “Because you Left” that John got shot roughly in the same place where he lost the use of his legs in the first season when Boone climbed up to the plane and died?
Could this be a way of the island/destiny “course-correcting”? Maybe John would have died if he got inside the plane instead of Boone but he needed to live to fulfill his destiny (also explains why he tells Jack that Boone’s death was a sacrifice the island demanded). Just like Michael couldn’t kill himself with the gun/car, and when Jack tried to commit suicide but a freak car accident diverted his attention etc.
Also, it ties in when Locke always says “you weren’t supposed to do this” etc…
What do people think?
Comment by wookstar — January 22, 2009 @ 9:22 pm
Lost GIRL, you said you rewound the tape. Does this mean in this day and age of tivo your actually using a VCR? Nothing wrong with it if you are. Just curious.
Comment by Adam — January 22, 2009 @ 9:32 pm
A Theory on why Charlotte is having a nose-bleed:
She says that she hasn’t done that since she was a child.
Perhaps they went back in time to when she was on the island as a child? maybe annie, Bens friend? she was a readhead too I think.
anyonea agree?
Comment by bengelito — January 23, 2009 @ 5:22 am
bengelito, I think the nose-bleed is supposed to remind us of what happened to Desmond on the freighter. It looks like she’s going to need to find a constant or she could die. But, they could be tricking us, and it could just be that she’s only had a nosebleed once before, and how come nobody else is getting the nosebleeds?
But you bring up a great point with her being Ben’s friend. The guys at work and I thought she had been to the island before, but couldn’t figure out when…I bet you’re right with her being Ben’s friend. Good eye…we’ll see if you’re right by the end of the season I bet.
Comment by Andy — January 23, 2009 @ 7:34 am
What if desmonds visions of charlie dying were “new memories” much like the one Faraday gives him about going to find his mom.
Comment by ibhazey4 — January 23, 2009 @ 11:06 am
I was wondering if the two guys with the rifles are actually Widmore and Kate’s dad. I think maybe WWII. We know Widmore has been there before and I just get a feeling about Kate’s dad. Which direction was the plane flying when it left Australia? East? Towards the islands of Asia? War in the Pacific? Secret Mission? Last season, I also thought about Charlotte possibly being Annie. I also agree with many of you who believe that Adam and Eve are probably two of the main characters on the show. That the whole show is just one continual time loop.
Comment by Good — January 28, 2009 @ 4:04 pm