Your Voice: A Wild Speculation of the Remainder of ‘Lost’
Submitted by Tom Nahas
It is widely speculated that Season 5 of Lost will spend some time exploring The Dharma Initiative. This is reinforced by the ARG at dharmawantsyou.com. So now it is time for one of my reckless and wild speculations of what we may see in the final two seasons.
These are the pieces I used to develop the theory:
Adam and Eve Skeletons (season 1)
You can’t change the future and course correction (Season 3)
Faraday in the Past (Comic Con Video)
Oceanic Six Getting Back to the Island (Season 5?)
In season one Jack and Kate find skeletons in the cave, male and female. Jack says that they have been there for at least sixty years. Lindelof and Cuse have said that they deliberately showed the skeletons so at the end of the show (finale), we would realize that they knew what they were doing all along and they weren’t winging it as they went. I have always thought that the skeletons were Jack and Kate’s, but how is that possible?
When Ben turned the donkey wheel, there was an electromagnetic event which moved the Island, Ben and possibly more. We can assume that since Ben moved in Space and Time (Tunisia - 10 months later), that the Island also moved in Space and Time. If it just moved in Time then it would’ve still been visible to the Oceanic 6. So unless it is invisible, it has left the building. Now, if it is true that Faraday is in the past during the Dharma years talking to Pierre Chang and filling him in on future events (Doc Brown would be so ashamed), then we can assume that the people on the Island and within close proximity of it were taken back 30 years. That may not be correct at all, but that is where my line of thinking is taking this.
That brings us to the Oceanic 6 and how they must get back to the Island. If this is what is going to be the drive for season 5, how are they going to get back. Could there be other links or portals to the Island that Ben knows about? They did seem to be able to get on and off the Island pretty quickly, not to mention getting Juliet there and the case of the magic box.
So at the end of Season 5 the Oceanic 6 get back to the Island, but WHEN is the Island? Is it 30 years prior? Let’s say it is. Eventually the Island has to get back to its original location. Why you may ask? Because of course correction. You can’t change the future. They were very specific about that. The universe will course correct and put things right. If the Island is not at its other location then what will happen when 815 goes down in 2004? There will be no Island to “crash” on and the everyone will die in the ocean. The Island has to be put back. It is inevitable.
With the help of Daniel Faraday they will get the Island back to its original location, but not without turning that donkey wheel again. Jack and Kate will volunteer to turn the wheel, putting the Island right, but sending the two of them another 30 years back. There will be no Dharma technology on the Island yet, leaving them to live out the rest of their lives together 60 years back, roughly 1944. They die together in the cave, leaving their skeletons to be discovered by their future selves.
What are your thoughts on this theory?
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I’ve always thought Jack and Kate were Adam and Eve. I just hope it’s not the case now because I think it has become really obvious.
Comment by DJ Jazzy Death — September 25, 2008 @ 10:38 am
WOOO! its back!
like the theory, though i still think the producers may well have put the skeletons there not necessarily knowing who they would be. but they do now. thats why i think its Juliet and Sawyer.
also, while reading this, it made me think. if, as we think, the island moved back in time, and 815 does eventually crash there: either some of the others are much older 815ers (which would mean they would have to avoid seeing each other, thus improbable), the 815ers left on the island die before the crash (and therefor never actually die fully, as will live again when the plane crashes, creating a time loop) or we will see much older 815ers living a la rousseau? i dont know.
also, if the finale is, as some people believe, the crash of 815/something around that time, does that mean we’ll have a nice little reunion of the whole cast?
Comment by Philoceanic — September 25, 2008 @ 10:53 am
I agree with this in a sense. I always thought that Jack and Kate were “Adam and Eve”.. however NOW I’m leaning more towards Aaron and Ji Yeon possibly. I think that when the 6 get back.. they will be returning back at a different point in time. I’ve always had a feeling in my gut that some of our survivors are the original island inhabitants. Maybe Aaron (born on island, conceived off) and Ji Yeon (born off island, conceived on) may be the parents or somehow directly responsible for “Jacob”… mostly I just feel that the two babies are very important. Keep in my mind the rocks that Jack took off of Adam and Eve… they were there because Jack IS Adam.. OR he gave them to his nephew Aaron.. the rocks will be the “connector”
Comment by ssjm1221 — September 25, 2008 @ 2:57 pm
My big problem with this, is if they go back in time and become Adam and Eve therefore dying in the cave, then they will be dead.
Their bodies will not then be reborn, because they are dead. I don’t think that they can be reborn if they area dead. So how then would they be able to find themselves?
Comment by Ian R — September 25, 2008 @ 3:41 pm
They wouldn’t need to be “reborn” if they were already dead because they were already born. How could something be born if it was already born and had died? They would only be born once. They already found themselves (if it is them) that is already done because as was stated you can’t change the future which would be the future if looking at it from the past where they would be travelling.
Chronology:
Born
Island
Discover nameless bodies
Off Island
Travel back in time
Die and become said nameless bodies
THE END
There is no reborn happening, that is the end of their lifecycle, it just happens in different times.
Comment by Jacob — September 26, 2008 @ 1:08 am
And remember, it was roughly 1944 when the numbers began broadcasting, as Hurley’s friend in the insane asylum first heard them while he was in the war.
Love the theory.
Comment by jimbo — September 26, 2008 @ 8:34 am
Thanks jimbo,
Good point on the broadcasting of the numbers. I also like the idea of the Losties being some of the original inhabitants of the Island. There are still so many little things that go unexplained or do not make sense with certain theories (ie. smoke monster,Claire’s new persona, Christian Shepherd,The 4-toed statue).
Another little thought I had regarding Christian, what if he is evil? Thinking about when Jacob told Locke “Help Me”. Why does he need help? Is he being restrained somehow? I think it would be cool if an evil persona “took over” Christian’s body when the plane crashed on the Island. That would explain why the body is missing. “Are you Jacob?” “No, but I can speak on his behalf”. i don’t buy it. Then Claire dies, oops, there’s another body to use. Both related to Jack as well.
Comment by Tom N. — September 26, 2008 @ 11:06 am
Right, and I agree and yes it already happened that they found “themselves”. But if they go back in time, it changes everything. I think, although the theory is interesting, that if it were plausible, the two people who might get stuck as Adam and Eve are Desmond and Penny. They’re who the love story is mainly been about since the beginning of Season 2.
Comment by Ian R — September 26, 2008 @ 11:55 am
“If the Island is not at its other location then what will happen when 815 goes down in 2004?”
Just because the island disappeared/teleported/time tunneled at the end of season four, it doesn’t mean that it would somehow not be present in 2004 when flight 815 went down. It doesn’t have to “get back” to the location we saw it leave from, as it already exists/existed there. We just likely have two islands existing at the same time in the past (one older than the other, by as many years as it jumped back in time), though in different locations on the globe.
Why would the island, traveling back in time, have to somehow replace itself? Just as if a person were to travel back in time, he or she would exist alongside his or her younger, pre-time traveling self. Wouldn’t replace ‘em.
But even I can’t know the writers’ logic in play here. A time traveling island either allows for multiple islands at one point in time, though in different locations … or does in fact mean that the island replaces itself physically, somehow, which is even weirder than just a time traveling island in the first place.
And of course, this is assuming that the island even went BACK in time. Could have just as easily jumped forward, with a variety of people - Ben, Daniel - sort of skipping randomly through time as an after effect of whatever happened when the frozen donkey wheel got turned.
Time traveling people you can wrap your head around … time traveling geography, well, that’s a whole ‘nother ball game. Course we do have two more seasons to make sense of it all …
Comment by R. L. — September 26, 2008 @ 11:55 pm
I have just read so many interesting theories for the new Lost seasons, and I think I may have to read some again. Having seen all the Lost episodes more than once, I still feel like I may have missed some really important things.
For one thing, who is Pierre Chang, and when was Daniel talking with him? Is he a Dharma person–one that Ben killed with the gas? Plus, I don’t recall that when Hurley was in the war, the guy that was spouting the numbers was a WWII vet, so I’ll go back for that. I believe that the island is relocated and has jumped ahead in time 10 months. If the island jumped back 60 years, wouldn’t Ben have jumped back as well. We know Ben jumped forward 10 months. Why would the island jump back 30 or 60 years? I honestly don’t understand this theory. Help!
Comment by rhonda — September 27, 2008 @ 8:37 am
Pierre Chang is the Asian scientist that introduces the Dharma videos.
He (apparently) revealed his real name in another between-the-seasons Comicon teaser clip where he recorded a message in the 70s or so (whenever the Dharma Initiative was at its peak) stating that he was aware of what would happen in the future, including the Purge. He throws in a couple of time travel references, along with the notion that the Purge has to be stopped, that the future has to be changed. And finishing off the video are the behind the scenes comments from the cameraman, which is believed to be Daniel, post frozen donkey wheel. So that’s the rumour.
Now, if I had to throw in a theory (because they are fun, let’s be honest) ……. what if the history of the island, as we’ve seen it, is the wrong history, the unnatural history, the changed history? What if the Purge was a form of interference, a timeline altering event, and wasn’t supposed to happen? And what if time/the universe/the island course correcting things means somehow preventing the Purge? Who’s to say that course correction might not be a very complicated process, involving the actions of a whole series of individuals brought together via a crashed airplane, in a sense meant to play a part in correcting the past, and preventing the Purge? (Which would also mean that whatever Dharma was up to was supposed to continue and run its course.)
To further this line of thinking, everyone has thought that Richard Alpert must be a hundred years old, or immortal, or something of the sort to have met Ben when Ben was a child, and then to appear present, not a day older. But what if the Alpert in the past that we saw was actually an older Alpert, a time traveling Alpert, that went back in time to CREATE the purge? What if the hostiles in the past that wiped out the Dharma Initiative are actually from the future (or the present, depending on your frame of reference), and have changed the proper flow of time and history? And again, what if what we have seen so far was NOT supposed to happen, and needs to be course corrected … and our protagonists are the solution?
If there’s one thing that I’m confident about, it’s that there was a purpose behind the crash of 815, that there was DESIGN behind it, that all of the events in the characters’ pasts set their fates in motion so that they’d be on that plane, and would wind up on that island. (Or at least a core group of individuals were meant to be on that plane, and the rest were unfortunate individuals along for the bumpy ride.) Crazy to think that we won’t know the complete affect that our heroes will have for another two full seasons. Gotta love it though.
Comment by R. L. — September 27, 2008 @ 7:05 pm
What everyone is saying is interesting but i found this while surfing the web and i think everyone should check this out. http://www.timelooptheory.com/the_timeline.htm
This is a very interesting theory on time travel in LOST.
Comment by Thril Shadow — September 27, 2008 @ 11:53 pm
well as for the whole what would happen to the plane if the island wasnt there question, the plane would have never crashed if the island awsnt there. rember desmond was “tryn to save the world brotha” and was a lil late with the button pushin. or at least it was done on purpose.
and as for the adam and eve thing , the jack and kate theroy is kinda cool and deep but i think it is gerald and karen degroot the founders of the dharma initiave. not quite sure how they get there, but im pretty sure they will have a pretty important role coming up real soon.
Comment by neco2k08 — September 28, 2008 @ 5:37 pm
nice point Neco2k08! maybe thats how LOST will end - oceanic 6 return to the island in the past (somehow)and stop 815 from crashing. therefore, no-one dies in the crash, they all live their own lives without ever being on the island. yet, they have been to the island in order to stop the plane crashing; if that makes sense!
Comment by Philoceanic — September 29, 2008 @ 3:27 am
Disney movie- Atlantis: The Lost Empire
Synopsis taken from yahoo movies:
“It’s the year 1914 and nerdish linguist Milo Thatcher has just received a treasured copy of “The Shepherd’s Journal”, a guide to finding the lost city of Atlantis from the wealthy Preston B. Whitmore, a friend of Milo’s late explorer grandfather, Once Milo cracks the highly undecipherable language of the Atlantean people, Whitmore hires Commander Rourke and the beautiful Helga to lead a submarine expedition to find the legendary submerged civilization. However finding the city is only half the battle. Once they arrive in Atlantis, they must contend with an ancient king out to protect the land’s mysterious crystal power source as well as his beautiful daughter, Princess Kida, from the unknown intentions of their new visitors.”
So many Lost parallels, so little time.
Comment by More junk — September 30, 2008 @ 10:39 am
Two things to ponder about Adam and Eve. First if Jack and Kate turn the FDW and move the island they can’t return to the island. If you believe Ben. Second Jack found a small pouch with the black and white stones inside. Like Lockes eyes in Raised by another. The stones, one light one dark are also referred to by Locke describing Backgammon. Could be Locke and ?? Why would Alpert tell Locke welcome home if he hasn’t been there before. Just a thought
Comment by Imp-a-lala — September 30, 2008 @ 1:00 pm
Let’s remember the fact that for all the theories we conjure up there is really very little chance that we’re even going to be close to right considering what’s happened in the past. Time after time Lost goes in a direction that no one expected, and I think this is another one of those times. They’ve laid things down for us to think certain things are going to happen, and every time they do that they just veer off in a completely different direction. That’s one reason why Lost is so great, we never know what’s going to happen. Granted, it’s really fun to try and guess
On a side note, that link to the time loop theory is complete crap, they just made things up as they went along with no base of reality in the show.
ok I’m just going to go a different direction here for a minute. What if the island didn’t move AT ALL? What if it didn’t go through time or space, that it just stayed in the exact same place but changed the path through which it must be approached? We all know that the island is near impossible to find, and that Daniel calculated that an exact approach vector must be used to go to and from the island. Well what if the donkey wheel changed that vector? What if the island seemed to disappear to our friends on the chopper because they now weren’t approaching it correctly.
Desmond traveled the waters around the island for weeks and didn’t get anywhere because he wasn’t on the 305 bearing, which would lead to the assumtion that anyone outside of the islands radius could travel around it and even OVER it for weeks and not find it. Like Desmond said, they’re in a bloody snowglobe, and anyone outside of that would see nothing unless they’re traveling to the island on a specific path. If the path was suddenly changed then the island would appear to not be there if you weren’t using the new bearing, it would just disappear.
But lets all hope that I’m not right because I really really want to see Locke and Richard in DHARMA times.
But assuming that my theory is wrong then Locke and company would be able to do nothing to change what’s already happened if Mrs Hawking was indeed telling the truth about the whole course correction thing (which should be obvious after the whole Desmond/Charlie death arc of season 3). They could possibly change the path which is taken but it would not change the end results. No matter what Desmond did to save Charlie he was still going to die, just like no matter what Locke, Richard, Sawyer etc did in the past everything that’s already happened would happen just like it did. The plane would still crash no matter what, the Dharma Initiative would still go extinct. The interesting part of the possiblity of the island moving in time would be that we would know where the hostiles came from. The hostiles could maybe be our Oceanic/New Other friends from 2004. But if that were the case, why then would they be going to war with the Dharma folk??? Or could the Hostiles be Black Rockers and the Oceanic Others join with the Dharma Folk???
Feedback please?
Comment by B*Locke — October 1, 2008 @ 12:54 am
Nice theory but I think the O6 Des and Frank wouldn’t have lost sight of the Island if changing the way to find it was in play. The specific coordinates 305* may have something to do with cloaking the Island from sight? I’m thinking that the Island was teleported, Star Trek transporter type technology but on a greater scale. The DI seemed to be trying to reverse engineer technology that was already on the Island by experiments with time traveling bunnies. The DI didn’t have the knowledge to do it correctly causing the “incident”. When the Island moved it left a ring in the water like dropping a stone in a pond, so I think it was moved. How would the Black Rock get in the middle of the Island unless the Island appeared around it?
Comment by Imp-a-lala — October 1, 2008 @ 8:15 am
nice theory b*locke. lets hope you’re wrong becuase i want to see back when the dharma were their too
Comment by Dharmaforce — October 1, 2008 @ 8:44 am
If the island and everything on it moves back in time I dont understand how the old dharma folk would show up on it. They werent on it when it moved they arent going to magicly show up.
Comment by bak2530 — October 1, 2008 @ 3:19 pm
Bak2530, either it will go back to the date when they ARRIVE or it will go back to when they were already there, and well see them pottering about like noones business in the Barracks (which is conveniently abandonned…). OR, in the style of the ARG, the dharma folk we keep talking about will be the NEW DI?
Comment by Philoceanic — October 2, 2008 @ 12:32 am
No reason to think Faraday went back 30 years at the time of the island vanishing, could have happened some other time, before or after. Or if that is when he went back, no reason to think that the island must have too. Ben, after all, went 10 months forward.
Comment by Tom S — October 3, 2008 @ 12:36 am
Tom S.: We already KNOW Faraday went back 30 years, as he has already been seen in the 1970s, working with Pierre Chang (Candle) to record a video warning people about Dharma’s future murder. When he did this is obvious: It was when he, along with the island, vanished in the season-4 finale. Hence, he and the island went back to the 1970s, where the 815ers will become the island’s original inhabitants previously seen battling Dharma.
Comment by sutton — October 5, 2008 @ 8:37 pm
I strongly believe in the b*locke theorie. In my tought, the island has always been in the north pole, at the exact center of the magnetic pole, that magnetic force bend the light and create a greenhouse effect that give the island a tropical weather on the surface (but not underground like with the donkey wheel). There are door that lead to it, and the donkey wheel change it (exactly like in the b*locke theory). But we know that whatever happen, some space time discontinuity take place sending people into time, so anything is possible.
Comment by Jonathan — October 29, 2008 @ 10:11 am