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   I think that the island was moved (wheel was turned) by a polar bear last time. It’s in the same location Ben (or Ben’s double if I’m following you correctly) ended up after he turned it. Kinda explains why getting food was a puzzle for the bears…ya know, training for something. Something special. It’s not my theory but I really think its the best I’ve heard. It is possible of course that the island has been moved several times and yea, I’m all over your Richard idea, but the Charlotte part seems like a stretch to me. But hey if you’re right then it’ll take the show in a really cool direction

   Comment by banner — June 18, 2008 @ 5:52 pm

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   I personally think Charles turned the wheel, which is why he couldn’t find the island for so long.
   I actually just wrote about this in my blog: http://ncjl.wordpress.com/2008/06/18/season-4-finale-the-island-moving-part-3/
   tomorrow I’m writing more about it.

   Comment by Izikavazo — June 18, 2008 @ 6:43 pm

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   Those are good theories, especially the Richard and Ben clone theory. Finding out that there are two Bens, one on the island and one off, would totally throw the show into a crazy direction. Maybe Locke then had to do the same thing, turn the wheel, and the dead Locke is just a clone. hmmm.

   It does make sense to have the polar bears turn the wheel, since it does transport/clone you away from the island none of the Dharma workers would want to do it unless totally necessary.

   Comment by AnotherOther — June 18, 2008 @ 9:37 pm

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   didnt the producers say that cloning WASNT happening on this show?

   Comment by philoceanic — June 19, 2008 @ 4:25 am

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   a few points to disagree..
   in the orchid video,the bunny hallowax was holding was to be sent to the future..but they do it wrong and it is sent back in time just a few minutes..so the bunny appears when the video was being shot..theres no cloning done…

   This can be confirmed in the small orchid tape that Locke was watching when he was inside the Orchid and ben was busy puttin stuff into the “chamber”…

   abt annie..its ridiculous..charles widmore and annie..dunno..doesnt sound like the thing lost usually does at all…

   we c alpert on the island in bens childhood…thats got to be the same time around lockes childhood…so alpert wasnt “banished” fmr the island…

   i personally believe that widmore turned the wheel..explains why he cudnt get to the island even tho he knew so much abt it….

   and the island seems to have not moved for a long time..judging by bens comments that its dangerous n unpredixctable..

   Comment by Cyanide — June 19, 2008 @ 6:43 am

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   interesting theory

   As far as Richard Alpert goes, I will bet my life savings that if/when they do a black rock flashback we will see him on the ship

   Comment by Jarrod — June 19, 2008 @ 7:39 am

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   The problem with Lost is it is like trying to piece together a puzzle without seeing the picture on the box and missing half the pieces. Your theory has some good ideas because we haven’t seen the picture on the box, but we do have substantially more pieces than you use.

   I don’t think Richard got mad when Locke picked up the knife. Many people have said it looked like he was shocked and startled, not mad that Locke picked up the knife. He recognized that Locke was exactly who he thought he was. He had no intention of taking Locke to the island at age 6 or what have you, that is why he followed him closely as he aged. I think the chaos on the island starts because Locke isn’t willing to put the island first at all costs. John is a good man. It has been said over and over throughout the show. Alpert wanted Locke to pick the knife because it would symbolize leading with the sword and vanquishing those who stand in your way. Locke is not this man, he is a man of good who at the end of the day when faced with a decision to kill off most of the people to save the island will put the people first and not the island. Alpert wants someone like Ben who will put the island first and will be dissapointed that Locke was not the man he hoped he would be. John Locke the philosopher believe in causing no harm to others which ties in with the goodness them for 815 J.Locke.

   Why would the island have to be moved in time to get the Black Rock? If the Black Rock sailed in the 1800s and the island has been around for thousands of years (donkey wheel, archaic scribbling, giant toe statue, etc) why would the island have to go back in time to pick up the Black Rock? Couldn’t it have been moved in 1850 or whatever the year was where the Black Rock was sailing the Pacific? It doesn’t have to go back in time, nor have the bits the writers have given us set up a move to the past is necessary to get the Black Rock on the island. That being said I wholeheartedly agree we will see Alpert on the Black Rock in flashbacks, but his lack of aging is due to the miracle of the island, not time travel. Perhaps Alpert is just a ghost like Charlie, dead, but also here with us.

   The 2nd bunny in the Orchid video was not produced by moving the island. I doubt Ben was cloned as a result. I like the theory of two Ben’s right after the Sayid as an assasin episode, but that was mid-season 4 and everything else to this point discourages the use of two Bens. They have set up the battle between Ben and Widmore, not Ben vs. Ben. The better choice for two Bens would be that he can become time stuck at will similar to Desmond. He can go to future Ben and see how people will react in each situation so that he “always has a plan.” I don’t buy that though.

   Charlotte is the one person who they haven’t come close to giving us enough puzzle pieces on yet. I think we can rule out her being Widmores daughter (though she has the accent and if Ben killed her I’d be ecstatic that she was offed and Penny wouldn’t need to be killed). If Widmore and Annie had been an item, wouldn’t Ben know it? It would set up a great Widmore stole Ben’s girlfriend so Ben takes Widmores beloved island revenge plot, but that isn’t the case. Annie would have had to die otherwise Ben would still be searching for her based on how he obsesses over Juliett who supposedly and presumably “Looks just like her.” Can you explain how 10 year old Annie would get together with 60 year old Charles Widmore to have a child, Charlotte, that 20 years later is almost as old as Ben? Personally I don’t see child rape being on Lost’s agenda. Charlotte obviously has island tie ins, but is it to Dharma or Rousseus expedition?

   Comment by blutoschmooto — June 19, 2008 @ 8:48 am

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   bluto–The reason many people believe the island moved to the time of the Black Rock is that it’s in the middle of the island, which would be very unlikely unless the island suddenly appeared beneath it while it was sailing. Had the island crashed into the island, it would have been at the shore.

   Comment by Tombo — June 19, 2008 @ 10:35 am

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   Bluto–Juliet doesn’t look just like Annie. She looks just like Sarah, Jack’s wife.

   Comment by Baker — June 19, 2008 @ 10:38 am

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    When I originally heard the polar bears turned the wheel theory I thought it was great. However there are several holes in that theory I would like to point out.

    First off Dharma built this crazy Orchid station that covered up the entrance to the donkey wheel. We can also assume that they brought the polar bears to the island as noted in the blast door map.

    Seeing how Ben had to blast through the wall how did the polar bears get into the wheel area. Last I checked they cant climb ladders. Plus Ben was crawling through that hole, how is a huge polar bear gonna get through that small passage.

    Also if Dharma used the polar bears to turn the wheel, why would they make it so hard to get back there, seems a little silly. My guess is that they figured out another way to channel the teleportation/time travel WITHOUT actually turning the wheel. How that happened beats me, but the more I think bout it, the less I think the polar bears turned the wheel at all.

    Comment by brett — June 19, 2008 @ 11:26 am

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    One more quick note

    If you remember when Eko was taken by the polar bear he was taken pretty deep into a cave. Maybe somewhere else on the island is a cave leading to the same power source th the orchid uses. One day a polar bear goes too deep into the cave, runs into the power source, boom transported to Tunisia. Prob not true but thought I’d throw it out there anyway

    Comment by brett — June 19, 2008 @ 11:31 am

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    Tombo, why couldn’t the island have been moved during the time of the Black Rock (1800s) when the Black Rock was at sea thus being scooped into the middle of the island as the island rose up? Don’t you think the island moving technology looked ancient and not something built by the brilliant minds at dharma? Seems to make a lot more sense than the modern day island going back in time to scoop up the Black Rock, eh? Want to explain how the Black Rock was scooped up by an island that went back in time and the crew of the Black Rock was able to write a journal and send it to the future so the current island inhabitants could read it? Yeah, neither do the writers. Black Rock wasn’t scooped up by time travel, it was sailing along in the 1850s or whatever time they established when the island was moved by inhabitants and suddenly rose up with the Black Rock dead in the middle.

    Baker- I’m going with the speculation of the masses that Juliett looks like Annie. We have seen Ben have a love interest in Annie at age 10′ish and an interest in Juliett currently. I think two and two make four. I agree that Juliett looks like Jacks wife AND Penny Widmore. The three of them look way to similar for my liking. That being said, why would someone say to Juliett in regards to Ben’s advances “You look just like her?” I don’t see Ben having relations with Jacks wife.

    I thought the Polar Bears turning the wheel was a clever gag based on facts. It is very plausible based on what they have given us and not really refutable except on whether they could fit in the hatch or not. That being said, I think the most plausible reason for the Polar Bears is as was stated, that Dharma was a research organization. If you won’t except that then how about the Bears landing on the island the same way the Black Rock did, it rose up from under them?

    Comment by blutoschmooto — June 19, 2008 @ 12:43 pm

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    the scene where the doc tells juliet is when juliet first gets to the island, I believe they said she had been there a week…jack wasn’t there then nor was sarah

    Comment by melanie — June 19, 2008 @ 6:19 pm

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    sorry…where the doc tells juliet “you look just like her”

    Comment by melanie — June 19, 2008 @ 6:20 pm

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    Alot has been debated regarding “who looks just like who.” If Juliette looks just like Annie, how the heck would we even know that considering that we haven’t so much as seen Annie since she and Ben were children. It has been mentioned before that perhaps it is Ben’s mom Emily that Juliette resembles. That would make more sense since Ben has her portrait hanging in house.

    Comment by Eve — June 19, 2008 @ 7:14 pm

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    The polar bear. I think that the island was probably around the north pole originally. I think there was an episode where they were tracking the island from somewhere like the north pole. when the island moved the polar bear was on it and moved with it. Or is that to simple for Lost?!

    Comment by LondonTom — June 20, 2008 @ 6:20 am

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    Eve, I would agree that Juliett looks an awful lot like Ben’s mother. Everything is speculation until we get more info from the writers, but I don’t think they were referring to his mother. Here is why:

    Ben’s mother died during childbirth. He wouldn’t know from first hand experience what she looked like except that he saw her on the island (the ghost/apparition in the woods). If he can see her regularly on the island, why would he need Juliett?

    Lost is about daddy issues, not mommy issues. I can’t see Ben trying to find his mother in another woman.

    Lost has some lines they shouldn’t cross. I don’t want to see Ben Linus’s character flaw be an incestuous lust for his mother, he is completely into Juliett. If he is into Juliett because it reminds him of his mother that is a bit to sick for my liking.

    Just from a writing stand point, the pay-off is going to be much greater and more satisfying the more the woman who looks like Juliett meant to Ben. He didn’t know his mother so it won’t be as powerful as someone he spent time falling in love with->possibly Annie.

    Comment by blutoschmooto — June 20, 2008 @ 7:25 am

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    Bluto, I’m just thinking that we have no Annie to compare Juliette to. We haven’t seen the adult Annie. Of course there are all the many things that we as viewers have not been privy to as yet. Harper telling Juliette that she looks just like her, may allude to the fact that Annie has in fact been some part of the picture that we haven’t seen yet. And then again, the one who looks just like her, may be someone else that we haven’t been introduced to so far and will be part of the story in the future. Yes, I agree that Lost is about daddy issues, however, leave it to Ben to be the oddball. Anything is possible, don’t you agree?

    Comment by Eve — June 20, 2008 @ 11:05 am

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    Eve, I completely agree with you. We haven’t seen adult Annie and anything is possible, but based on the info we have been privy to thus far and the evidence I provided above, the best GUESS at this point is Annie. You have to look at writing structure, the boldest choices are the best for entertainment purposes. Introducing some random woman to be Ben’s driving force is not the strongest choice. Making Annie, someone who we see cares about him (she gives Ben a B-day present when his own father did not), be Ben’s driving force is a much better choice. Obviously it would have to be something tragic that happened to her and Ben. Ben either purged her regretfully and painfully, but per the betterment of the island or she died while carrying his child.

    Comment by blutoschmooto — June 20, 2008 @ 12:53 pm

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    They can’t replicate ben and have the replica on the island or else Locke wouldn’t have gained power with the others. Ben would still be the leader if there as a duplicate on the island. I liked the idea about richard having to bring back ben though. That may be right. One thing that still puzzles me is Abbadon. Anyone got any theories about him. He is soooo creepy when he enters the screen. I wonder how much we will see of him since he is on Fringe.

    Comment by Dan — June 21, 2008 @ 2:13 pm

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    Charlotte could be Annie… though she looks a bit young compared to Ben.

    Comment by Thorn — June 27, 2008 @ 12:32 pm

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    I agree that Annie is the one that Juliet is supposed to look exactly like due to the information we’ve been so far given. Annie is the one that Ben had the strongest connection to as a child. I believe they grew up as childhood sweethearts, eventually conceiving a child together which occured prior to Rousseau’s expedition shipwrecking on the island. However, Annie like all other pregnant woman on the island, aside from Claire, died at some point during her pregnancy. This made Ben a little crazy, as it would almost any person, and as a result he ended up taking Rousseau’s newborn baby Alex, who she was able to give birth to since she conceived off-island, same as Claire. He reasoned to himself that this was the right thing to do upon discovering that Rousseau had just killed her team who she believed to be sick, probably via watching her on a video monitor while she was recording the message in the radio tower. Throughout all this, the Dharma powers had become increasingly upset with Ben’s behaviour and subsequent actions. Impregnating Annie, consorting with the natives and eventually kidnapping Alex. Ben, like Locke, who I also believe are half-brothers, but we’ll get to that later (they were both given birth to by a woman named Emily remember), both had A-Hole fathers, but also like Locke, Ben was intent to give his father the chance to be a better person, for he was after all his father. When he encountered Richard in the jungle as a child he was, over the next couple of years, enlightened in the wonders and majic of the island, however, I believe at first that he was overwhelmed by it all, and chose to stick by his father’s, and ultimately Annie’s side. However, as the above-mentioned events began to play out his dissent towards his father and the entire Dharma Initiative organisation came full circle, resulting in the Purge. As Ben became the natives official leader, he made it his goal to discover why woman who conceive on the island die. For this he needed someone with expertise in the field, after many years searching, around nine let’s say, he encountered Juliet Burke, who surprisingly enough looked remarkably like Annie, and was convinced that she was the one to unravel the mystery. As for why Richard had eventually become tired of Ben’s obsession with this particular island fault is, of-course, yet to be revealed, but then so are many other elements. I also think it’s way too early to be speculating about the Charlotte and Widmore connections as we’ve received very little information in this area. These 7 month hiatuses are way too long. Bring Lost back in the Fall, goddamit.

    Comment by Dan — July 5, 2008 @ 3:27 pm

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    id would like to know if anyone has a theory on the black smoke that has not been seen in awhile

    Comment by don williams — October 28, 2008 @ 6:42 pm

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