Your Voice: The Island - Going Arctic
Submitted by Tom Nahas
“He wants us to move the island." People have been wondering if they are going to physically move the island, or if they will move it through time.
I personally feel that they are going to move it physically. The writers may want us to draw the conclusion that it will be through time, however, this won’t be the case. There has been some buzz on the message boards about a sort of electromagnetic wormhole that moves around the Earth, passing through the magnetic North and South poles, Tunisia and Portland. You can read more about that great theory here.
Sometime in the next episode, the Oceanic 6 will leave the island and Ben and Locke will move the Island. This will most likely happen simultaneously, setting up the perfect cliffhanger for Season 5. But where does the island go? We have only seen one flash-forward of a non-Oceanic-Sixer, and that was Ben. He is in Tunisia at least 9 months later wearing a Parka and seeming as if he just came from the island. He is wearing that Parka either because the process of traveling is very cold, ala Back to the Future style, or he is coming from somewhere very cold.
If the island is physically moved to the Arctic it would explain a few things:
· Why was Ben wearing a huge parka coming from a tropical island?
· Why were Penny and her boys looking for the island up in the arctic? The island has been there before?
· The polar bears on the island. The island has been there before?
· Possibly Hugo’s drawing of the igloo and people.
One final tidbit to ponder: When the Island appeared to Penny’s boys in the arctic, was it because of the Swan Station imploding as we are meant to believe, or due to the ever mysterious time-shift did the island suddenly appear in the arctic?
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what if the video we saW at the end of season 2 was a flash forward, if u remember when charlie tells penny there on an island seemingly surprised so maybe when they go to move the island they trgger henrik’s device and now they make the call to penny
Comment by bob roxxx — May 21, 2008 @ 6:52 am
I think this is right on the money. I have always thought there was another island in the arctic. But after last episodes… I see they do move it back and forth.
Comment by Joe — May 21, 2008 @ 7:13 am
I like this. Although Hurley’s come out and said his Igloo painting was just his own idea and had nothing to do with Lost.
Comment by Gary — May 21, 2008 @ 7:39 am
Wow, this sounds pretty possible, that would explain the polor bears. Maybe moving the island was also how the Black Rock got onto the island, like the island “ran over” it or something?!?!
Comment by Aaron — May 21, 2008 @ 7:55 am
I think this is right on. Just caint wait to see how the island really moves.
Comment by Joey — May 21, 2008 @ 8:07 am
Good theory. Did they tell us where the researchers were Arctic Circle or Antarctica? I can’t remember, but am thinking Antarctica for some reason. If it is Antarctica, there are no Polar Bears there or igloos so this theory might not hold up. If it is the Arctic Circle, then it is fantastic.
Comment by blutoschmoooto — May 21, 2008 @ 8:26 am
Seeing as how an island is really just a part of the earth that sticks up out of the water, physically moving one just seems stupid to me. Where does the island stop and the earth begin?
Comment by Dave — May 21, 2008 @ 10:08 am
This is a really cool (no pun intended) theory, however I take issue with one of your premises: “(Ben) is wearing that Parka either because the process of traveling is very cold … or he is coming from somewhere very cold.”
You omit a third possibility: that Ben leaves the island having no idea where he is going to end up. A similar theory, the Vile Vortices theory, states that there are many more such points on the Earth, and that these points are somehow connected. So it’s possible that when Ben leaves the Island, he has no idea where he’ll arrive, so he puts on the parka as a precaution in case it’s a cold destination.
Comment by Ed Holden — May 21, 2008 @ 11:12 am
I think this is dead on.
Several people have touched on these ideas, I’m just going to try and clean them up and combine them here…
The island is the ‘nexus’ of these wormholes, and can and has been in different locations before. In the Dharma videos and backstory, they don’t talk about how they got there, they talk about how the Polar Bears adapted to sudden CLIMATE CHANGE. ie: Polar Bears on an island in the arctic suddenly on a tropical island. I don’t think the DI brought the polar bears anywhere. I think they were on the island when it moved. Aaron had a FANTASTIC point a few posts up - I think the ‘island movement’ is how the black rock ended up in the middle of the island, relatively intact. The Black Rock was sailing on open seas, then the island appeared undearneath it, effectively stranding it. I think that Locke & Ben are going to move the island physically back to the Arctic locale, which is why Ben is wearing the parka, and why the Oceanic 6 don’t know how to “get back.” Jack’s been taking flights back and forth over where the island USED to be.
Okay, that’s my part. Somebody else fix it up even further for us.
LOST rules. (first post. loooong time lurker.)
Comment by caboose — May 21, 2008 @ 11:50 am
Oh yeah and I just listened to the last podcast and one of the questions was asking if there was some kind of wormhole around Tunisia. Cause theres polar bear bones there. Ben teleports there. AND Eko’s drug plane was flying around there and then it appeared on the island! It could totally work.
Comment by Oh Yeah — May 21, 2008 @ 12:18 pm
Hey Ed, I did think about the third possiblity of Ben not knowing where he was going to end up, however, it seemed as if he was on a mission and knew he would end up in Tunisia. He then went to Iraq where he was searching for Sayid.
‘Oh Yeah’ - Carlton replied saying something like the idea of anitpodal wormholes is very intriging, but the way we are thinking about them may not be correct.
Comment by Tom Nahas — May 21, 2008 @ 12:26 pm
I love the thoughts around antipodal spots on the earth, and Portland and Tunisia connected to the Island somehow. The antipode of Portland (45 N, 122 W) is 45 S, (180-122) E, which is somewhere in the Indian Ocean, but towards Antarctica. However, that doesn’t work with the idea of polar bears and igloos. But, the antipode of Tunisia, if you use approximately 33 N, 9 E is 33 S, 171 W….that’s located right in the South Pacific. Right about where the Island could be located. Is it May 29th yet!?
Comment by Brent — May 21, 2008 @ 1:05 pm
I’m not sure that the island has recently (within a polar bear’s lifespan) moved from an artic location to a tropical one. Assuming that there was only snow, ice, and polar bears on the island when it was in the artic, I don’t think the island could grow all that lush tropical vegetation since it was last moved. I think that would take many, many years.
Comment by Skeeter — May 21, 2008 @ 1:56 pm
Good point, Tom. Though I’m not sure if Ben knew what his mission should be before he found himself in Tunisia. Going for Sayid might just have been a case of Ben taking advantage of his circumstances.
Still, reading the Black Rock suggestion above (which had occurred to me earlier as well) and the polar bear ideas, I’m starting to come around to this theory. It helps to explain why lots of things found their way to the island (Oceanic 815, drug plane, Henry Gale balloon, Black Rock, etc.). It also may explain the spatial issues with coming to and going from the island - heading 305 or 325.
Perhaps the suggested spatial effects and the known temporal ones are related in some way, but I can’t quite wrap my brain around it.
Comment by Ed Holden — May 21, 2008 @ 2:47 pm
The Island is not going to move to the Arctic, nor has it been there before. The Dharma Initiative brought the Polar Bears to the Island to do scientific tests on them after they had been genetically engineered to adapt to a tropical environment. Ben had Halliwax’s (?) jacket on, not because he came from a cold place, but because he might have been going to a cold place. He didn’t know exactly where he was going, but he probably had an idea of where he could possibly end up and just wanted to be prepared. Like he told Locke about moving the Island, “It’s dangerous and unpredictable”, so too is transporting/teleporting/time traveling. Also, based on the fresh wound he had, he may have been in a hurry to get out of whatever predicament he was in before arriving in Tunisia.
Of course, we could all be wrong, and these awesome writers have something wild in store for us that we could never expect.
Comment by Uncle Beaver — May 21, 2008 @ 3:06 pm
If the island is going to move, will the neighboring Alcatraz Island also have to move? Also, why didn’t any of the Losties flee to there to escape from the Freighters?
Comment by Joe Poltis — May 21, 2008 @ 3:20 pm
If they move one island, wouldn’t the other smaller island with the Dharma work center have to move with it? Otherwise Widmore could just go to the location of the existing non-magical island to find this island?
Comment by blutoschmooto — May 21, 2008 @ 3:32 pm
It does seem weird to move a piece of land. If it does move to the Arctic or Antarctic then would it stop when it reaches another piece of land? Or go under then up through it? Or is it not even island-ish at all when its somewhere else?
This may be too far out there. But did anyone see the last Pirates of the Carribean movie? (all street cred flies out the window) I don’t really remember it that much, but I do remember there were some trippy scenes about going to the other side of the earth, or the underside of the earth. Something weird, but maybe similar in some ways.
Comment by AnotherOther — May 21, 2008 @ 7:04 pm
Just remember The dark tower, and how influenced the writers were by that piece of King fiction. There are multiple “axis” points in different “times” but they all connect to the dark towner (the island) wich is the nexus of all existence!
Comment by Leexosmeexo — May 22, 2008 @ 12:26 am
It seems clear after watching Cabin Fever again that Locke is Jacob. I believe the island may move physically, but more importantly, in time. Remember, we know that there are two versions of Locke out there – One in his original timeline and one as a person on the island in the past. Think of Richard Alpert asking young Locke “Which of these items belong to you…already?”
In another post on this site, I read a thought that perhaps Locke is the leader of the Hostiles from back in the Dharma Initiative days. So there is a chance that when the island moves back in time in the Finale, Locke will become the leader of the island as the Dharma Initiative shows up to start their experiments on the island. This would be a great story line for the next Season…
Comment by THinIL — May 22, 2008 @ 5:55 am
Well, my tought on this, for a time now, is they have always been in the artic pole, right on the magnetic pole spot. Thus the huge magnetic propertys of the island who actually bend the sun light in a way that increase it’s temperature to tropical degree. The way to the island is throught ‘portal’ and when they say ‘move’, I think they’ll just close the pacific ‘portal’ and open a new one. Polar bear, who can swim underwater, would have found the only way in, like the submarine.
Even do I like my theorie, it’s just doesn’t explan (yet) two things:
The Black Rock in the center.
Widmore not knowing it’s actual position. (but we don’t know to much about him yet neither)
Comment by Jonathan — May 22, 2008 @ 8:02 am
Another thought. How would it benefit them to move the Island in TIME? The island would still be in the same place physically. It would change nothing ON the Island. Everything would be the same, it would just be a different TIME. Keamy and friends would still be there. And the Island would still be in the same location in Real time. Hmmm. Confusing
Comment by Tom Nahas — May 22, 2008 @ 9:28 am
I’m not sure if this was said or not, but just because Ben was wearing a parka doesn’t mean he was coming from a cold place. What if he wore it because he was expecting to get to the north or south pole, and maybe the reason why he had a shocked face on when he arrived in the desert was because his calculations were wrong. Though, moving the island to the arctic would be pretty sweet, it definitly has possibilities.
Comment by Signus924 — May 22, 2008 @ 1:07 pm
Maybe you are all CRAZY and the island isnt going anywhere.
Comment by Bobby McGee — May 22, 2008 @ 3:41 pm
Its possible but wouldnt there have to be a change in filming locations. You can’t film winter scenes in hawaii. We would’ve heard something about a drastic change in location.
Comment by AVsevenfold — May 24, 2008 @ 10:19 am