Readers Theorize about “Eggtown”
"Eggtown" stirred up a lot of discussion amongst our readers, bringing out awesome theories that rattled my brain like Locke’s tray rattled that "cement" wall in the basement. However, I’m still confused as to whether Aaron is supposed to be one of the Oceanic Six. Some people say he is, some think he isn’t, but that’s one thing that’s going to irk me until it’s officially confirmed either way. And no, that doesn’t mean you should spoil me, because I’d rather wait and find out for myself. That confusion aside, TTS readers had a lot to say about Kate raising Aaron, the possibility of a giant time gap, and yes, even an explanation for the appearance of Xanadu.
A lot of people had thoughts on the big Aaron reveal, including oren. "This could mean many things," he pointed out. "It could mean that Claire died sometime on the island, and Kate took custody of Aaron, and that’s why her lawyer wanted him as a witness, because he was alive during the events on the island. It could also mean that Claire and Aaron died, and Kate named her son after him as a memory of the two."
RJ Bond also had a pretty clear idea about what might have happened. He thinks that "the appearance of Aaron and Jack’s lack of acceptance is pretty clear: It has to do with Jack saying they have to go back to the island and the ‘Cover Up’ of the 8 survivors (clearly a set-up by Oceanic). The ’survivors’ are that because they had to pick 8 who had any chance of leaving the island in some opportunity. 2 Died and one was in the casket. Jack is in denial; there was some sort of ‘Sophie’s Choice’ made and Aaron went (he was a child, and children first) along with the other 4 we have seen (Sayid, Kate, Hurley, Jack). Jack doesn’t want to accept Aaron because the child is a reminder that even possibly the mother is Lost."
Speaking of the casket mystery, which Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse have promised will be answered this season, I think Steve has a great theory. "Ben is the one in the coffin," he wrote. "In episode three, we learned that Ben can definitely be off the island in the ‘future’. Also, we saw that he had a well established animal clinic. Those things don’t build themselves overnight, which leads me to believe he’s staying off the island for a good amount of time. We saw that Ben had a number of different passports. This means he could easily change his name, which would explain the newspaper article. No one would go to the funeral because…well…they don’t really like Ben."
I Miss Nikki doesn’t have an idea about who’s in the casket, but she does think she knows what’s been going on this season. "My Overall Theory: Everyone on that plane was destined to die but cheated destiny. The world is out of whack because 6 came back and are still alive. Someone is out to ‘make things right’ by hunting down and killing the O6, while Sayid and Ben fight back."
While that does sound a bit like a plot from a Final Destination movie, an Oceanic Six serial killer sounds plausible enough to me. Also plausible is the idea that time on the island may be moving a lot more slowly than time in the real world. This is something that we saw brought up in Faraday’s experiment last week, and now showstop has expanded upon that, writing:
"I’ve been convinced that in the ‘real world’, time is going much faster than on the island. So far, the flash-forwards have not proven this theory wrong. And, now after the 4th flash-forward of the series, there seems to be even more validity to this theory.
"In last season’s finale, we saw Walt appear to Locke looking 2-3 years older. We also saw Sarah (Jack’s ex-wife) looking very pregnant, which could indicate that she’s re-married. In the season premiere, we saw Ana-Lucia’s old street patrolling partner in a much more high profile position for the LAPD. Both examples would require significant time.
"In tonight’s episode, we saw Kate’s mother looking much older. She even indicated that she’d been fighting the disease for four years. I realize that she had gotten cancer in one of Kate’s flashbacks. And I do realize that cancer takes its toll. However, it still does not disprove the theory of significant time difference. It only supports it. I truly believe they’re going back to a world that is four years ahead of them."
showstop’s theory is interesting, but unfortunately it leaves out the deeper meaning of a very important Olivia Newton-John movie. Thank goodness for Lemmyk, who knows more about Xanadu than the fact that it involves glittery roller disco. "General themes of XANADU (there is a peom called "Khubla Khan" which features a place called "Xanadu"): tropical paradise, can’t escape, doesn’t age, timeless, trapped, going insane…. seems like some of the same themes from Lost."
Could all of the secrets of Lost really be figured out from watching more Xanadu? If only I had the strength to investigate such a thing.
hi i wud like to say that ” IS JACKS DAD ALIVE” ? because i watched the last episode of season 3 again yesterday and i remember jack sayin to another dotor - ”go get my dad and if he is sober than me then sack me” or suumthing like that and we no this is in the future so jacks dad cannot be dead .. if so i hope to hear the story on why he is dead?. why he is on the island?. how is he off the island in the furture?. does anybody think that the lost writers will tell us this storyline bout jacks father..
get back to me on here with your theorys or anything you got to say please people ! !
THANKS JASON
Comment by JASON — February 25, 2008 @ 1:08 pm
IGNORE THAT TOP ONE ITS ALL SPELT WRONG IVE CORRECTED IT HERE -
hi i wud like to say that ” IS JACKS DAD ALIVE” ? because i watched the last episode of season 3 again yesterday and i remember jack sayin to another doctor - ”go get my dad and if he is sober than me then sack me” or sumthing like that and we no this is in the future so jacks dad cannot be dead BECAUSE JACK SAYS GO AND GET HIM .. if so i hope to hear the story on - why he is not dead?. why he is on the island?. how is he off the island in the furture?. and anything else to do with jacks dad . and i dont fink jacks dad is jacob so dont comment about that please..
does anybody think that the lost writers will tell us this storyline bout jacks father..
get back to me on here with your theorys or anything you got to say please people ! !
THANKS JASON
Comment by JASON — February 25, 2008 @ 1:14 pm
People have thorized up and down about that one Jason. I think most likley he’s still dead and Jack was just all drugged up and crazy when he said that. Who’s to say though. I’ll say this though: I don’t think they’d have put christian in that mobisode with Vincent or in the Cabin that Hurley saw if they didn’t intend to go somewhere with his storyline. BUT (a big one too) the writers have thrown all kinds of red herrings at us so it’s a tough call. I HOPE they’ll get to it though.
Comment by TrillianM — February 25, 2008 @ 1:32 pm
Regarding the O6, what about walt and
Michael being the other 2? If they made it off then the 2 of them would have to cooperate with the story that Jack has been selling in the FFs that 8 survived and 6 made it off island. So either they don’t make it off or they must be the final 2 of the O6. Perhaps thais why the rest must go along with the story as it may be what the public has been told upon walt &
Micheal’s reappearance? In any case I have not read anyones theory that addresses walt & michael and how they may relate In the world of oceanic 6 flash forwards. Theories, comments and heckles appreciated. Btw, typing this on my iphone has been a harrowing experience at best. Sorry for typos this sux
Comment by robg — February 25, 2008 @ 1:46 pm
to u ROBG how about this .. i fink sun and jin r the other two O6 because shges pregnent so they let them go and how about micheal and walt stayin on the island because micheal feels guilty from b4 when he left wen he killed ana lucia and libby and because walt is special ( bit off but worth a try LOL ) get bk please
Comment by jason — February 25, 2008 @ 1:53 pm
Walt & Michael have left the island. Where they ended up and how they may fit in a world where there are 4 or 6 other survivors that make it back is what I’m interested in right now Jason although your sun/jin theory is appreciated. Back on my original query, maybe walt and micheal get back after the o6 and blow the lid off that cockamamie story jack is selling driving him to drink and desperate to go back after going from hero to fraud upon being exposed… Anyway iPhone typing still sucks:.. So walt and mike theories please?
Comment by rob g — February 25, 2008 @ 2:07 pm
im agreeing with that ROBG (maybe walt and micheal get back after the o6 and blow the lid off that cockamamie story jack is selling driving him to drink and desperate to go back after going from hero to fraud upon being exposed) i reakon as a big part to play but how do u fink he as got on the freighter because he left didnt he and how did lock see walt in season 3 if he and micheal av gone .. how did walt get back there????
Comment by JASON — February 25, 2008 @ 2:12 pm
one word. Smokey
Comment by rob g — February 25, 2008 @ 2:55 pm
the problem with the michael/walt blowing the story theory, is the guy in the pharamacy who still referred to “jack as a hero” twice over.
also, if indeed michael blew the story, michael would be in jail for double murder, including shooting a former LA cop
unfortunately my theories range from thinking the writers are really making this up as they go along, to they have some real cohesive story line that will come together.
at this point, barring walt and michael having a lot of food, and fuel, and michael being a good navigator, who knows if they made it off the island. seriously though, walts story was about as thin as “the monster”. lots of promise, but no substance.
the whole motion now seems to be heading towards some big “x-files” conspiracy “new world order’ type corporation thing. ben is just another kaiser sosey, and not very inventive. or some back to the future meets melrose place. also not very interesting.
and seriously, with miles telling ben all the big stuff about “we know who you are” and how much energy went into finding him. okay, riddle me this one *serious* complaint. IF you were someone who spent tons of time/money/energy to find someone, why would you send those 4 people (miles, farraday, etc)…i’d send the flipping ex force recon/navy seals/special forces, lock down the situation, then bring in the nerds.
that’s the biggest hole i’m not sure how they will *ever* explain…..sure, send naomi in, but seriously, if locke can put a knife in her back just like that..she wasn’t *that* good…..
let’s hope i’m wrong. we are halfway through this first batch, and hopefully, like season 3, desmond gets more air time to make things interesting. the whole soap opera between kate/jack/sawyer is overplayed. ben has become a self-parody, and locke just inept.
then we have richard and the rest of the “others” just having a woodstock festival somewhere.
the only thing that makes sense to me, is there is a bigger story/drama taking place, and the “losties’ were just pawns in that, and this show was about their struggles, but i doubt jack/kate or any of them are going to end up the power brokers ……jack is like mulder on the x-files, kate a scully, dunno..
hopefully lost won’t befall the same fate as x-files, which just got stupid in the end and went nowhere.
Comment by rooster — February 25, 2008 @ 3:02 pm
i think the smoke monster is the one of the time police ( like mrs hawking) taking out the passengers. it appears like smoke to us because their bodies are moving at “off island speed”
im sure its been in the coffin.
maybe kate just happened to be watching aaron while they were fored to leave the island. or had a “charlie tripout” and ran off with him
Comment by peroze — February 25, 2008 @ 4:04 pm
Whoever is in the coffin would have had to die after their return to civilization. Jack didn’t grow a beard until they had been back for some time, he went to the funeral with a beard. Maybe Michael returned later and died, but wouldn’t Walt have gone to the funeral? I doubt the coffin person is an Oceanic 6. I’d like to think it is Ben, but as he is shown in the Sayid episode, I doubt it is him unless the death was faked and no one is in the coffin.
Comment by Mooo — February 25, 2008 @ 5:09 pm
I think island time is moving faster than real time. If the ‘day’ that
passed since sayid and des left for the boat, but in reality it hasn’t
really been that long…..hence the island time moving faster than the
time passing outside of the island. If you think about the focus of
the Dharma Initiative, it was to find a way to prolong man’s existence
on earth. What better way to do this than to live and conduct research
in a place where time passes quickly, allowing for more research to be
conducted in what is actually a shorter amount of time.
The question which I have no answer for is “How do you explain Walt
appearing older, or why baby Aaron is a couple years older?” My speculation
at this point is that a person’s age might be corrected when the leave
island and head back to ‘real-time’. That would explain Aaron and Walt
being older as well as why Jack has gray in his beard and hair all of a
sudden. Thoughts?
Comment by Charlie's Ghost — February 25, 2008 @ 5:39 pm
I know this may be an unpopular idea but what if Faraday and the rest were sent there to get rid of them for what they know. When the pilot called in and said that the guy on the tv wasn’t the real pilot of 815, the people seemed very interested to know how he knew that bit of information. Maybe these people were a liability for Dharma and they knew that they would have a real hard time getting off the island. That might explain why such an odd group of people were chosen. Faraday with his possible knowledge of what the island is about and Miles maybe knowing the people are alive but not-alive.
Comment by Good — February 25, 2008 @ 7:16 pm
Charlie’s Ghost– I disagree with you. I think it’s the opposite situation. I believe that island time is moving SLOWER than “real” time. For all we know, Sayid and Desmond are being held captive or a situation has come up where they didn’t land on the boat. And, if Dharma’s focus was to prolong man’s existence or to stall time, then it’s possible they have succeeded. It’s possible that through the Dharma Initiative’s work, the island IS able to stall time. This would support the theory that time is moving FASTER in the “real” world.
If all this is true, then it perfect explains why Walt is appearing older but does NOT answer why Aaron is looking older. The fact that Jack’s hair is growing is only overdue. It doesn’t take a normal person 3 months to grow the little amount of hair that Jack has grown. It takes me two weeks to grow the hair it has taken him in three months.
But there is one thing I agree with you on. It’s possible that a time correction is taking place. Aaron appearing older has never been a good argument that time is going faster off the island. If my theory is correct, Aaron should have aged completely normal throughout since he hasn’t spent a day in the real world. He should’ve aged the normal 3 months+ on the island (if that’s how long it takes to get off) just like the rest of the Losties. Unless their is a time correction taking place immediately after leaving the island, there should be no reason Aaron is looking four years old if the trial is taking place one year after the rescue (which is what seems to be the case.)
Comment by Showstop — February 25, 2008 @ 7:51 pm
i LOVE the idea that time is much faster off the island!!
it totally makes sense that WALT is so much older.
time just goes 4 times as fast (or whatever) off the island.
can’t wait for the next episode.
Comment by lockekicksass — February 25, 2008 @ 8:17 pm
I also believe there is a time anomaly on the island which I believe to be the reason for lack of successful births to mothers who are impregnated on the island. A time shift on island could cause a problem with the normal 9 month gestation period of a human fetus therefore causing miscarriage and maternal death.
Comment by rob g — February 25, 2008 @ 8:32 pm
How much later did the thing shot from the boat take to get to the island? That could help us establish a time ratio to figure out how much difference betweent the island time progression and the real world time progression is.
Comment by will — February 25, 2008 @ 9:34 pm
I recently read how the producers came up with names so I picked one (Minkowski, one of the Freighter Folk), did a Google and wound up at Wikipedia with Herman Minkowski, a mathematician who working with the Theory of Relativity developed Minkowski Space, a mathematical setting where three ordinary dimensions of space are combined with a single dimension of time to form a four-dimensional manifold for representing a spacetime. On this page there is a link for Electro Magnetic Tensor AKA FARADAY Tensor AKA MAXWELL Bivector. On this page there is a link for Mirror-Matter (in Physics, mirror matter, also called shadow matter or Alice matter, is a hypothetical counterpart to ordinary matter.) which leads to Professor Robert Foot, University of Melbourne who wrote a paper entitled Shadowlands, A Search For Mirror Matter. BTW, Shadowlands leads to Clive Staples Lewis.
Comment by Fred P — February 25, 2008 @ 10:52 pm
I agree with the point that time actually is SLOWER on the island. Its a gr8 point about jacks hair, but what about hurley? Surely he would lost some weight by now? Also nobody has any tan lines? Laugh i know but I do believe it would be very hot somewhere is the south pacific, if thats where they are? Just some weird questions that i have! Although this would be an easy solution for the writers to get around! Hmmm….
Comment by Petto — February 26, 2008 @ 1:39 am
I think Michael is Ben’s guy on the boat?!
May be wrong but Harold Perrineau & Malcolm David Kelley names are still on the credits so they are gonna make an apperance somewhere this season!
Comment by SJJ — February 26, 2008 @ 4:32 am
TIME IS DEFO MOVING FASTER OFF THE ISLAND AS U CAN SEE BY RICHARD ALPERT HE PROBERLY HASNT BEEN GOING OFF THE ISLAND AS MUCH SO THAT WHY HE HAS NOT AGED AND KEPT HIS YOUTH !
AND did kates trial take place a year after their rescue ????? ANswers please
Comment by JASON — February 26, 2008 @ 9:39 am
Aaron would be older because we are to have 2 more seasons of the show, so they have to incorporate some time passage anyway.
Comment by Maggie — February 26, 2008 @ 11:01 am
Here is what I think:
Dharma is what it is…there story is told they are gone…there is no more working Dharma initiative.
The island, is what Dharma was studying, they were not changing anything on it, they can not control time, the island does.
Aaron is older because they have been off the island for a few years!! We have not been told how long they have been off of the island…..Follow me here….when they are on the island Aaron is an infant, when we see him off he is a toddler, so it leads to reason they have been off the island for some time. Aaron calls Kate mom which means she has been taking care of him for as long as he has been able to know a mom. And if Kate is having Aaron believe she is MOM than that means Claire is not coming back…either she is dead or never leaving the island. Remeber the psychic from season 1 or 2 (not sure) said the baby has to be raised in LA but not by you….which is why Claire was on the plane in the first place. And don’t forget….Claire and Jack are BRO and SIS which means is Aaron is nephem to Jack….but does he know this?
Walt is older because time moves slower on the island. Not sure where he and DAD are but they might be on the freighter…..
Ben is able to leave the island when he wants and ALL of this is his doing. I think we have already seen the end of the show, which is , Jacks flash forward episode. He finally realizes he wasn;t supposed to leave the island and Ben is the one in the coffin, thus, he is not able to get back, and he is LOST!!!
but then again, I thought Dharma were the “Others” and not just a bunch of Hippies in the 70’s…..so what the hell do I know!
Comment by jazzmsngr — February 26, 2008 @ 11:59 am
What does everyone think of the idea that Walt was the grown up kid who’s house Miles went to when we first meet him. Walt was maybe staying with his Grandma… fell in with a bad crowd and died? Therefore his spirit is back on the island talking with Locke? I wonder what that money is from? Do you think that will come into play, or do you think that whole situation was just to introduce Miles as a sketchy guy
Comment by inlovewithjack — February 26, 2008 @ 1:34 pm
is it possible that jack is afraid of aaron? maybe aaron has some special or evil powers that are magnified off the island? when the psychic told claire she had to be the one to raise him i got the feeling that this meant something dark or dangerous could happen.
Comment by lovelost33 — February 26, 2008 @ 6:53 pm
I find it interesting that no one has made this connection, though I admit that is a distant one. In the film Citizen Kane, Xanadu is the castle that Charles Foster Kane has built, where he stores arts of all varieties; statues, paintings, books, etc. It is both an escape and a prison for Kane, but it is in its own way an island to which he is both in love and enslaved. Of course that is a bit of a stretch, but considering some of the other theories having been thrown around in the past I don’t find it entirely ridiculous. Lost has some pretty clever writers, after all. Seems like they put in a mention of the movie Xanadu, they would expect viewers to make connections to all places where the word was mentioned.
Comment by Akashi108 — February 26, 2008 @ 8:31 pm
Hi inlovewithjack,
I’m intrigued by the idea that the grandma is tied to Walt… didn’t Walt’s mom and Michael mention Michael’s mother in his season one flashbacks? But, they lived in NY I think…. not Inglewood. I think it’s still a mystery… but it seems like that scene HAS to be relevant somehow to the people already on the island. I just don’t understand who it could be connected to!
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Comment by inlovewithsawyer — February 26, 2008 @ 8:46 pm
Hi inlovewithjack,
I’m intrigued by the idea that the grandma is tied to Walt… didn’t Walt’s mom and Michael mention Michael’s mother in his season one flashbacks? But, they lived in NY I think…. not Inglewood. I think it’s still a mystery… but it seems like that scene HAS to be relevant somehow to the people already on the island. I just don’t understand who it could be connected to!
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Comment by inlovewithsawyer — February 26, 2008 @ 8:47 pm
Micheal talks with his mom in the airport on phone asking if she can take Walt.She could live anywhere……..
Comment by KS — February 27, 2008 @ 6:29 am
Why would Walt live in Inglewood with his grandmother AND sell drugs? As an Oceanic survivor he would have gotten a huge payout and lived somewhere else and not needed to sell drugs for cash.
Are the payouts hush money or just crash settlements? Is $3.2 million the amount of crash settlements and Miles knows Ben will get this? I like how Kate has a huge, fully furnished home and nanny that she was somehow able to buy prior to being incarcerated upon returning home.
Comment by Muzaropolis — February 27, 2008 @ 8:27 am
The Walt theories are all good, except we are forgetting one important thing. The actor who plays Walt has aged three years since the Pilot of Lost in 2004. Therefore he is now a teenager instead of a 10 year old boy. The writers obviously didn’t simply want to kill off Walt, so instead had to come up with a reason for someone to age 3 years in 3 months, hence the whole “time moving faster off the island theory”.
I do believe Locke only imagined Walt, or Walt is able to travel thru the time space contiuim a la “Heros.”
Comment by LRG — February 27, 2008 @ 11:22 am
Walt appears everywhere he isn’t “supposed to be”……remember?The Others ask Micheal if this has happened before.I hate thinking we are overthinking…. but its so fun!!I am watching them all over and the main theme is getting LOST here.good,evil,we are all connected,everything happens 4 a reason,face your demons.I think the answers will be more simple.Remember when we were like “W.T.F. POLAR BEARS?”.
I am so addicted. Sawyer said he was from Jasper Alabama… well the Jasper stone represents the tribe of Benjamin.I will go on record saying Claire dies Kate has the baby!Claire has almost died before.If Jack’s dad is alive forget xanadu,I want A xanax
Comment by KS — February 27, 2008 @ 2:13 pm
I think you guys are oversimplifying the island time-thing by saying it moves faster off of the island. When the “package” was shot to the island, it took a while to be seen on the island. That fact would seem to indicate that time in fact moves faster on the island than outside (so more time seems to have elapsed before the package landed). However, the Walt aging thing seems to directly contradict this.
You cannot say authoritatively say that time is moving faster or slower on the island, just that time is screwed up.
Comment by aardWolf — February 28, 2008 @ 7:45 am
good point aardwolf.
Thanks KS for pinpointing the mention of Michael’s mother. They were on a plane to LA…. I know that’s a common way to get from Aus. to US no matter what city you’re ending up in, but maybe his Mom was in California.
Just trying to figure out if that could possibly be Walt’s grandmother… what else do we know? Miles said something about the kid being murdered, so it seems unlikely. But who the heck is she then?
Comment by lmz27 — February 28, 2008 @ 9:08 am
They wont get rid of Walt for going through puberty.The time thing will answer that.We have to use a lil imagination.Micheal is def.the spy.The other O6 are Jin and Sun.They can change who is in the coffin down to last minute….drives me nuts..but what if its WALT!He is a Locke follower,Kate and Jack hate him.but his dad could make him leave the island.After micheal is so screwed up because of what he did he sends him to grandma,but he’s not really dead he went back.Grandma doesnt go to funeral cause Walt got creepier as time went by.They want to go back and fix things cause everyone is unhappy and things just aren’t right.Kate though has Claires baby and is content not running(for once).But something wierd will start happening to Jr.!There life now is about decisions made on the island.
Comment by KS — February 28, 2008 @ 1:26 pm