Episode 4.4 “Eggtown” Afterthoughts
Last week’s episode of Lost left us with a ton of questions. Perhaps the biggest one was what in the heck Sayid was doing working for Ben, but there were also mysteries involving Ben’s passports, Jacob’s teleporting cabin, and some sort of time anomaly surrounding the island. While none of these ongoing mysteries will be wrapped up in "Eggtown," we did get to discover another member of the Oceanic Six while Kate and Sawyer played a little bit of house.
Missed the episode? Read our recap here.
Well, let’s get the big shocker out of the way before we discuss anything else. Aaron is now under the care of Kate. Wow, I must admit that I did not see that coming at all. I expected Kate to call the baby James, thus revealing that Sawyer was the father, but the Aaron thing totally blindsided me. What the heck happened to Claire? I definitely can’t imagine her giving Aaron up willingly, so hopefully something terrible didn’t happen her. Now I’m going to be worried about Claire’s safety on the island. I also wonder if we’re supposed to consider Aaron to be one of the Oceanic Six.
The other big event in the episode was the reveal that the helicopter has not made it to the freighter. At least that’s what Regina said. Since we know nothing about the freighter people it’s quite possible they could be lying and holding Sayid and Desmond captive. Either that or Lapidus accidentally flew the helicopter into some sort of wacky time anomaly.
Another question we’re left to ponder is regarding the motivations of Miles. Why would he need precisely 3.2 million dollars? Not only that, but how does Ben possibly have access to that much money? It’s obvious that Ben, or his evil twin, is getting a lot of work done on his time off the island. However, I have no clue how he’d manage to have millions stashed away.
Yet another mystery arrived when Jack testified about what happened to Flight 815. He claimed there were only eight survivors, and out of those only six made it off the island. I’m still dying to know what happened to everyone else.
Aside from the cavalcade of questions, I liked the way this episode brought back some classic Lost tropes. There was the opening close up of an eyeball, the black and white backgammon game, and Ben being held captive by Locke yet again. There were also a few novels on display, not to mention a late night showing of Xanadu. While I can’t fathom a way anyone could find double meaning in the Xanadu viewing, I’m sure some of those books hold some clues. Locke handed Ben VALIS by Philip K. Dick, but I’ll have to rewatch to see what book Sawyer was reading. You can read more about VALIS here.
Overall, this episode was more of an intriguing character study than an hour jam packed with mythology. That’s okay by me, even if it does mean I have to wait longer to have some mysteries answered. At least now we know why Kate wasn’t a fugitive when she visited Jack in the season 3 finale, and we also know who the "he" was she referred to at the time. Aside from exploring Kate’s future, we also saw the emergence of a frustrated, insecure, totally badass John Locke. Locke is never more dangerous than when he’s unsure of his purpose, and Ben made sure to remind John that he’s having no luck getting any answers. Shoving the grenade in Miles’s mouth was a fantastic moment.
Here are some of the unanswered questions we’re left to ponder:
Was there any significance to Faraday having trouble remembering the three cards?
Why is Kate taking care of Aaron? Is Aaron one of the Oceanic Six?
How does Ben have access to millions and why does Miles want such a specific amount?
What happened to the helicopter?
Why is Xanadu such a terrible movie when the title song is so awesome?
did kate say, “aaron” !!!! holy crap…..
Comment by rooster — February 21, 2008 @ 7:03 pm
I had a feeling that’s who her “son” was..
Comment by Veronica — February 21, 2008 @ 7:07 pm
WOW, i didn’t realise she said Aaron…i missed that part. I hope this doesn’t mean Claire dies…but that would be logical i suppose. I am also wondering if Jack finds out that Claire is his half sister.
Comment by LiLi — February 21, 2008 @ 7:09 pm
I couldn’t tell if kate said aaron or eric at the end, so I was a little bit confused.
This could mean many things however. It could mean that Claire died sometime on the island, and Kate took custody of Aaron, and thats why her lawyer wanted him as a witness, because he was alive during the events on the island.
It could also mean that Claire and Aaron died, and Kate named her son after him as a memory of the two.
My first thoughts when I saw the toddler was that it had blond hair, and it must be Sawyer’s. And that would mean Sawyer would become the 5th member of the Oceanic Six. However, if the toddler is Aaron, that just means that Aaron is the 5th member.
Now, why does Jack not want to see the toddler? I think that Claire died as some fault of Jack’s, and Aaron reminds Jack too much of the situtation in which Claire died.
But, what about Desmond’s vision? That is a definite unanswered question that this episode gives. Desmond claims to see Aaron and Claire on a helicopter in a flash. Is this true?
On a side note, does anyone else think that Daniel is characterized to replace Charlie? I’m happy because Charlie was my favorite character, and Daniel is essentially him with an American accent and a physics degree instead of a one-hit-wonder band.
Comment by oren — February 21, 2008 @ 7:11 pm
Perhaps Aaron is the one in the mysterious coffin at the end of season 3…
Comment by Aaron — February 21, 2008 @ 7:12 pm
Oh my god, lost is freakin amazing! Yeah, she did say Aaron, and he said “hi mommy.” This obviously means that something happens to Claire that makes her part from her baby. I’m guessing she’s still alive on the island, but gave Kate her baby in hopes to give Aaron a better life. On the other hand, Jack is the MAN! The way he shows up in court was surprising and awesome at the same time. I think he and Kate should just get it over with and practice their sexual feelings towards eachother. Also.. Miles finally shuts up, and hopefully the grenade explodes in his mouth :). Overall it was a great episode, can’t wait for the Desmond-centric episode next Thursday!
Comment by GatesBen — February 21, 2008 @ 7:14 pm
That’s an interesting theory.
However, I maintain that it is either Sawyer or Locke, two survivors that have absolutely no one who would come to their funerals. In Locke’s case, Jack and Locke are already at odds, and Locke just kicked Kate out, which may lead to why she wouldn’t want to visit.
I assume we will see who is inside soon enough.
Comment by oren — February 21, 2008 @ 7:15 pm
Was it just me or did it look like Aaron had Downs?
Comment by Mandy — February 21, 2008 @ 7:18 pm
Wait… Did the guy in court say 8 people made it off the island, or just that 8 people survived the crash?
Comment by Twelfth — February 21, 2008 @ 7:23 pm
I was going to say the extra Chrom21(Downs) as well but I think it’s just Claire’s jeans. Yeah Kate definitely was never preggers and took Aaron for some reason we’ll find out someday. There must be weird time jump still or else how does she explain how she was already 8 months pregnant before being on the island. Everyone knows she was in custody and not 8 months pregnant. Time? Weird.
Comment by Magomra — February 21, 2008 @ 7:25 pm
The fire alarm sounded in my building for the last ten minutes of tonight’s 4.4 episode. Will someone please tell me what happened after Jack found out that Sayid and Desmond never reached the freighter?
Comment by Sarah — February 21, 2008 @ 7:27 pm
I also think that Kate’s child looked syndromey. But, Claire’s baby doesn’t appear to look that way. Which makes me think that they are two different children. And, did I totally miss something, or when did Kate and Sawyer think they were preg?
Comment by dulusee — February 21, 2008 @ 7:31 pm
Hahahahahaha, that was my first thought as well Mandy. I know it’s not a laughing matter but it did look like the baby had down-syndrome when it was layinmg there with it’s head tilted the other way. I figured with all of Sawyer’s drinking that the baby somehow came out defected. Anyway, it was a good episode overall. The Losties aren’t realizing that the Freighters could be a real threat. Maybe down the road Miles might end up hurting Locke real bad after what Locke made him go through with the whole grenade in mo
Comment by Franky — February 21, 2008 @ 7:35 pm
Let us not forget that Jack and Claire are brother and sister. So that would make Aaron his nephew right?
Comment by Ryan — February 21, 2008 @ 7:39 pm
It’s reassuring to know I wasn’t the only one who thought that! This may be a stretch, but assuming that it IS Claire’s baby and they did take Aaron off the island— maybe that was the effect! We all know there were all those wierd fertility things to begin with and as far as we know he was the only healthy baby born on the island, right?
Comment by Mandy — February 21, 2008 @ 7:42 pm
Did anyone catch the name of the book or the author that Locke gave to Ben with his Breakfast?
Comment by Slow — February 21, 2008 @ 7:43 pm
Miles in the coffin?
Looks like Claire & Locke are gonners (Claire for sure). Aaron would be one of the 6. The 5 will make a deal with Ben. All of the freighties buy the farm via Miles hand….Miles gets his money — Ben keeps his secrets…..Freighties bosses are double crossed.
Comment by dusty — February 21, 2008 @ 7:45 pm
What was with Daniel having a difficult time remebering the cards?
Kate is definately acting a little over protective of her child. I think Kate stole Aaron off the island and that’s why Jack wont go see him. He knows what Kate did was wrong
Comment by Kathy — February 21, 2008 @ 7:47 pm
The appearance of Aaron and Jack’s lack of acceptance is pretty clear: It has to do with Jack saying they have to go back to the island and the “Cover Up” of the 8 survivors (clearly a set-up by Oceanic). The “survivors” are that because they had to pick 8 who had any chance of leaving the island in some opportunity. 2 Died and one was in the casket. Jack is in denial; there was some sort of “Sophie’s Choice” made and Aaron went (he was a child, and children first)along with the other 4 we have seen (Sayid, Kate, Hurley, Jack). Ben is in the shadows. He wasn’t on the manifest, unless he has taken a passenger’s name.
Remember that Jack was on the bridge and drunk. It is because he knows there are people abandoned by Oceanic and their “Payoff” included no talking about it and possibly they might not want to because they could be criminally liable for not assisting those that were left. He drinks to cope with guilt. The guilt is that they made an awful decision to abandon people on the island (via Oceanic’s wanting to keep damages to a minimum) and the Sawyer/pregnancy thing was an Alfred Hitchcock convention called a “Red Herring”; Jack doesn’t want to accept Aaron because the child is a reminder that even possibly the mother is “Lost”.
Come to think about it, could it be that simple that Ben (who has shown a propensity for making people choose sides and loyaties) was the facilitator of the “escape” and the price they paid (like Sayid) is that Ben made them make “Sophies Choice” and the child went? Sayid figured out who Ben’s mole was on the boat. Ben already knows how to leave the island (don’t forget Michael and Walt) and the pictures prove it. He knows how to leave.
That’s my take on what Jack is hung up on. It’s his character arc: Guilt.
Comment by RJ Bond — February 21, 2008 @ 7:49 pm
Aaron does not have DOWNS. It was simply a child who isn’t as good act acting asleep and squinted when his eyes were closed. Freeze frames show a normal kid (and a bad actor).
And Desmond didn’t see a flash of Clair in a helicopter — or at least WE never saw that flash. He only told that to Charlie to motivate him to go on a suicide mission to the Looking Glass Station.
Comment by Nathaniel — February 21, 2008 @ 8:00 pm
The Book Locke brought Ben was Valis by Philip K. Dick.
Comment by YinzerB — February 21, 2008 @ 8:02 pm
Amazon blurb for “Valis” is interesting … “It is a fool’s search for God, who turns out to be a virus, a joke, and a mental hologram transmitted from an orbiting satellite.”
Comment by Slow — February 21, 2008 @ 8:08 pm
Finally, the person in the casket could NOT be one of the Oceanic 6. Since we have been led to believe that the six have the “most recognizeable faces in America” according to lawyer we must assume that IF it were one of the six, certainly either media or simply the curious would have shown up. Additionally, the news of the death would likely appear as a news story rather than be learned about in a simple obituary.
Farraday’s issue with the cards reflects that his heightened sensitivity (aka ESP) may not yet be fully tuned since coming to the island. He can perceived light that others cannot. He feels overwhelmed by emotion by a sad story but can’t explain why. He is the emobodiment of Mr Sensitivity.
And who is to say that Miles isn’t his guy on the boat and that extortion story was told because Kate was listening. Michael may be there but it isn’t a guarantee that he is working for Ben.
Comment by Nathaniel — February 21, 2008 @ 8:14 pm
To me the most interesting thing in the episode, aside from the Aaron twist (which I totally didn’t see coming) was something Miles said to Ben. He said Ben shouldn’t talk to Miles like Miles is one of them (read: the clueless survivors). Miles knows who Ben is, and he knows what Ben can do.
So what can Ben do? That’s more interesting to me than the money itself. Something Ben can do means Miles can get $3.2M.
Comment by Ed Holden — February 21, 2008 @ 8:15 pm
Two things:
1. If you watched the enhanced episode of “Confirmed Dead” it is revealed in the beginning that while Daniel is watching the “discovery” of 815 the woman talking to him is not his wife or mother, but his caretaker. Could this explain his not remembering the cards?
2. What about the prophecy concerning Aaron? Remember back to the episode when Claire went to the psychic in Australia and he said that she MUST be the one to raise Aaron. What consequences does this hold now that we know Kate has taken Aaron as her “son?”
Comment by smoke — February 21, 2008 @ 8:41 pm
smoke–
GREAT point on #2. i had completely forgotten about that!
Comment by roger — February 21, 2008 @ 8:48 pm
Also, Desmond prophesized that Claire would get on the helicopter, so she makes it that far, at least.
Comment by Michael Johnson — February 21, 2008 @ 9:15 pm
I was watching season 1 last weekend, and I recall clair goin to see the psychic and him insisting that she and only she can raise Aaron, no one else, he even bought her the flight ticket to force her not to give the baby up for adoption(having seen the crash his visions…I assume). He went on to say darkness surrounds the kid if Claire does not raise Aaron.
Kate, now has Aaron…what r the implications on Aaron’s future if we r to believe the forshadowing by the psychic? what is it that she does to the kid?
Why does Kate have Aaron and not Jack (IF he was aware that Claire’s he’s sister)
And I suppose the beeeg reveal in terms of who’s gonna die is Claire…
And Aaron is now a member of the Oceanic 6
Comment by Sbujero — February 21, 2008 @ 9:19 pm
I think there’s more to Xanadu than meets the eye: It is featured prominently and almost distractingly during a key part of the episode.
Here’s something I picked up off of Lostpedia:
“Xanadu: Hurley is watching this movie when Kate comes over to talk to Sawyer. While it is a clear reference to the cult movie of 1980, it also refers to a famous poem by Samuel Taylor Coleridge. The poem is about a famous tropical paradise. Xanadu is also the name of Charles Foster Kane’s mansion in ‘Citizen Kane.’”
Comment by Carrie — February 21, 2008 @ 9:25 pm
Was Daniel unable to “remember” the 3 cards or was he trying to psychically figure out what they were? Is he ill or is he gifted?
I like the theory that maybe Miles and Ben are in cahoots and their conversation was for the benefit of Kate or maybe it was a code for something else?
Comment by Michelle — February 21, 2008 @ 9:27 pm
Aaron is not one of the oceanic 6. Claire was pregnant when the plane crashed. Technically he wasn’t considered a passenger of the flight.
Comment by Adam — February 21, 2008 @ 10:05 pm
Did anyone notice that Desmond sat in the captains seat in the helicopter.
Doesnt the pilot always sit on the left side?
Sawyer keeps calling Kate freckles…but Kate does not have any freckles any more.
Comment by Clueless — February 21, 2008 @ 10:29 pm
Here is the tricky thing - it seems like Kate is passing off Aaron as her own child, and not an adoption. She wasn’t 8 months pregnant when they got on the plane, so how does she explain where the kid came from?
Since they are playing with time, maybe the Oceanic 6 have been on the island a lot longer than 100 days in real-world time? Enough for Kate to say “oh yeah, I got pregnant and had this baby while I was here…”
Also, the 8 survivors vs. 6 rescued. Could the other two be Michael and Walt?
Comment by TC — February 21, 2008 @ 10:38 pm
We obviously know that there is some kind of time-warp… somehow their pasts decided their fate being stuck on the island, so I hope this so-called “future” we see isn’t going to end up changing if things on the island change. Or we could find out that we’re watching an alternative reality. What if they are all still on the island as well as off?
Did you notice the bones they dug up of a polar bear? With the collar? The polar bear is recent on “island-time” but the bones looked buried for a long time.
Comment by Candy — February 21, 2008 @ 11:02 pm
i have a twisted theory that kate killed clair because clair wouldnt keep the island’s secrets…thats why she said “why would i go to the funeral” to jack. the coffin was kinda small, & hurley wouldnt go if he was in a mental hospital…
Comment by kyle — February 21, 2008 @ 11:26 pm
You know I really don’t think that Claire would ever give up her child willingly, even to be rescued. For 1, because of what the physic told her, and when she was telling Charlie the story of the physic in season 1 they discovered that her going to LA was the only way to raise the baby herself, so I think she believed what he told her. Secondly she choose to go with Locke and to stay on the island after Charlie died to get that ‘not Penny’s boat’ message to Desmond. And her character is one that is a very protective mother. I did find it interesting how Kate dismissed her mother, and we know that Kate didn’t want her to see the baby because she would know immediately it wasn’t hers, so it makes me question how Aaron’s face isn’t everywhere since the Oceanic 6 are ‘famous’ so maybe he is not considered one of the Oceanic 6…
I think that Jack doesn’t want to see the baby because he knows (now-in flash forwards) that trusting Naomi was a wrong choice and that Locke was right to knife her. Maybe he ended up getting the rest of the people killed ? I guess a worst case scenario, but something is causing a heavy enough guilt to drink yourself into standing on the side of a bridge about to jump off.
The 8 people surviving thing, doesn’t Jack say that when he is on the stand? 8 People initially survived the crash, 2 died on the island thus making the famous Oceanic 6.
I don’t know what to make about the Locke situation, maybe he will snap and go postal or something.
Comment by DRock — February 21, 2008 @ 11:43 pm
Aaron cant be in the coffin,cuz at the end when jack was talking to Kate she said he’s waiting for me(and the he is Aaron).so it must be Charlie cuz he’s not one of the oceanic 6 which explains the empty coffin.and i agree with Adam about Aaron not being one of the oceanic 6.
Comment by lilly — February 21, 2008 @ 11:45 pm
I’ve been convinced that in the “real world”, time is going much faster than on the island. So far, the flash-forwards have not proven this theory wrong. And, now after the 4th flash-forward of the series, there seems to be even more validity to this theory.
In last season’s finale, we saw Walt appear to Locke looking 2-3 years older. We also saw Sarah (Jack’s ex-wife) looking very pregnant, which could indicate that she’s re-married. In the season premiere, we saw Ana-Lucia’s old street patrolling partner in a much more high profile position for the LAPD. Both examples would require significant time.
In tonight’s episode, we saw Kate’s mother looking much older. She even indicated that she’d been fighting the disease for four years. I realize that she had gotten cancer in one of Kate’s flashbacks. And I do realize that cancer takes its toll. However, it still does not disprove the theory of significant time difference. It only supports it. I truly believe they’re going back to a world that is four years ahead of them.
I don’t believe Aaron is going to be considered part of the Oceanic 6. I think they’re going to go with the story that Aaron was concieved on island.
Comment by showstop — February 21, 2008 @ 11:48 pm
One problem with the theory that Jack doesn’t want to see Aaron because of his own guilt is that Hurley does regret his decision to stay with Locke– so ultimately were Jack’s decisions on the island right? Or does Hurley think he could have prevented something terrible if he hadn’t participated in dividing the survivors?
I loved this episode. Maybe because I am a super Kate fan, but I thought it was an amazing episode for character development. I got goosebumps and even cried during the flash forwards — Lilly’s face when she mentioned her son was BRILLIANT, and the scene with her mother was outstanding, Jack in the courtroom had great emotional undertow, and the last scene with Aaron and Kate had a desperation to it — you just know there are secrets of tragedy and maybe even horror tied into Kate’s possession of Aaron.
It was great fun. Thoughts?
I think Lilly and Foxy did an awesome job. So did Holloway and O’Quinn. It was a fascinating episode for performance and story-telling — I loved how the episode used the flash forwards to create more emotional impact than ever before.
It made me remember that LOST is about the people — the story about what happens to these characters as a result of this superordinary event in a superordinary setting — more than anything. It’s significant that Kate’s trial becomes about her “character” in the end…. it’s the show’s reminder to us, too, that we should be considering themes about heroism, truth, justice, love, and loyalty throughout these episodes.
Comment by Lmz27 — February 22, 2008 @ 4:09 am
one thing no one has touched on, directly, is the age Aaron appears to be in Kate’s FF. I’d say he looks to be 3-4 years old, no? So my question is, where in the future is this FF? Obviously all the FF’s to date occur in different times in the future, though relatively close to one another, but Kate’s FF would appear to be further in the future due to Aaron’s age, right? That’s the piece that I found most interesting. It brings up questions of Island Time vs. Real Time, Claire dead or alive, Aaron being one of the Six or not, Jack knowing its his nephew or not, and more.
Even though there were some interesting points, it wasn’t my favorite episode. Maybe its because last week’s was so amazing with Sayid 007 and all.
Comment by Charlie's Ghost — February 22, 2008 @ 4:49 am
Aaron isn’t one of the Oceanic 6. It is comprised of people that are on the plane. Since Aaron was born on the Island he isn’t counted.
Comment by Dominic — February 22, 2008 @ 5:00 am
Aslo the full list of the oceanic 6 has been reveled. We already got Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, ***,and ***. I’m not going to spoil it if you don’t know..
Comment by Dominic — February 22, 2008 @ 5:05 am
@Dominic, please don’t spoil it.
One thing that interests me is the claim by Jack on the stand that Kate was the hero among the survivors. Obviously there could have been more than one hero, at different times while on the island. But it was painted as if Kate was the hero, and the rest were along for the ride and just waited to be rescued (maybe this is reading too much into what was said at the trial).
But now recall the new chief of surgery at the hospital: “Dr. Shepard, the hero—twice over.” This suggested that he was a hero for saving the woman and her son on the bridge, *and* for something he did on the island.
Again, maybe reading too much into it….
Comment by lm2 — February 22, 2008 @ 5:33 am
Just some trivia: Kate’s lawyer also played serial killer cop in Frequency. Cop’s name in that movie… Jack Shepherd. Elizabeth Mitchell also in that movie as wife of hero Dennis Quaid.. Her name in movie… Julia. Things that make you go hmmmmmmmm.
Comment by Joe (Champaign) — February 22, 2008 @ 5:57 am
i think Jack is feeling guilty, as said above, for something that happened when he left the island that wound up killing Claire. Possibly he finds out after the fact that she was his half-sister, and that’s why he is desperate to go back (from last seaon.s last episode) so he can save her. If Jack is supposed to ultimately sacrifice himself for the good of others, the only one I can see him doing that for is Claire, since he now knows she is his half-sister. I think the person in the coffin is Ben. Possibly Ben is the only one in the future to know how to get back to the island, and when he dies Jack is distraught because he can longer retun to the island.
Comment by 88 keys — February 22, 2008 @ 6:24 am
I assumed Daniel was testing his ability to predict what cards were hidden. Testing his ‘physic’ ability. Not remember them. I don’t recall us see where he was shown the cards and then asked to remember which ones were covered.
Comment by Mona — February 22, 2008 @ 6:35 am
General themes of XANADU (there is a peom called “Khubla Khan” which features a place called “Xanadu”): tropical paradise, can’t escape, doesn’t age, timeless, trapped, going insane…. seems like some of the same themes from “Lost”.
Hmmm….
Comment by Lemmyk — February 22, 2008 @ 6:39 am
About where sayid desmond and the chopper are.
didnt the lapidus(sp) pilot say over and over again about he burned alot of fuel coming in? the boat wouldnt be so far from the island even given the storm he shouldnt have burned so much fuel flying in. perhaps its more to the time delay with the rocket. flying 31 extra minutes would burn more fuel. now if we are thinking the island moves slower and the fact its been a day since the chopper left i would venture a guess that the time difference had the chopper run out of gas. i would think that the plane would have to reverse 31 minutes and catch up to the non island time thsue taking way longer. does that make sense? or the people on the boat are lying….. thoughts?
Comment by ibhazey4 — February 22, 2008 @ 7:00 am
Maybe the reference to Xanadu might have ties to Mandrake the Magician. An old time comic book character whose home was Xanadu. Maybe Mandrake’s powers are what Ben can do and that’s what Miles is refering to.
“Mandrake was an illusionist whose work was based on an impossibly fast hypnotic technique. As the narrator informed us: “Mandrake gestured hypnotically” and the subject or subjects of this hypnosis would suddenly see the illusions he wanted. Mandrake fought criminals and other villains in his spare time. This would include common gangsters, mad scientists, and aliens from outer space or other dimensions.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandrake_the_Magician
Comment by Mona — February 22, 2008 @ 7:04 am
Xanadu is about the nine sisters (Muses and goddesses) in Greek myth. There is a scene with Zeus deciding if he should let her go back and live on earth.
Comment by Amy — February 22, 2008 @ 7:10 am
Also, in one of the rerun shows they said the lady in the Faraday scene was not his wife but his caregiver. Maybe he has some kind of disease or a brain tumor and he is testing his memory. What if he heard about the healing properties of the island.
Comment by Amy — February 22, 2008 @ 7:14 am
Remember that in Season 1’s “Raised by Another” that the psychic told Claire that her baby must not be raised by anyone but her? He later seemed to change his mind*, sat up an adoption in LA, and booked her on flight 815. (He told her it had to be that flight and no other.)
*It is hinted that the psychic did not change his mind but rather knew of the impending crash of flight 815 and therefore set Claire up to be stranded so that she would have no choice but to raise the child herself.
In the same epi, Claire has a dream in which Locke says to her, “He is your responsibility, but you gave him away.” (That is when Locke has the one black and one white eye - @CORROMO #371 on last week’s epi).
It is interesting that Claire is warned, both by Locke (in her dream) and by the psychic, that she must raise her baby herself or else she will release a great evil on the world.
Comment by Me — February 22, 2008 @ 7:17 am
A big hole in Jack and Kate’s story (as testified under oath by Jack) and known by the public given their ’star’ status as the Oceanic 6 is that Penelope (Mr. Whitmore’s daughter, and possibly the ‘He’ that Miles referred to with Ben) knows that Charlie was alive and that Desmond was with him.
So how is that going to be reconciled? She obviously knows more about what is going on (and what is wrong with what is going on) than everyone else but until now, the writers have not paid too close attention to that. Nevertheless, that story arc may be huge and could have large implications to the rest of the main storyline.
just my .02
Comment by jackemoe — February 22, 2008 @ 7:19 am
just wanted to say to franky up there that a dad drinking does not give a baby down’s and it was incredibly insensitive to call a baby “defected” because it has down’s. I don’t think that little boy had down’s anyway.
Comment by becca — February 22, 2008 @ 7:33 am
I think that Aaron is Claire’s baby and that perhaps him appearing to have problems off the island is not something new but something he had the whole time. Perhaps off the island his symptoms show. Remember there are other people on the island who are healthy but off the island not so much. I think Claire gives Aaron to Kate because there isn’t enough room or time to get everyone off the island and back to the boat. We know that two have already made it off in the first helicoptor ride perhaps there is only one more trip off. I think that the rest of them are still on the island waiting for rescue and that is why Jack tells Kate they have to go back.
Comment by greta — February 22, 2008 @ 7:38 am
I think that the Jack not wanting to see Aaron thing may be very simple. If he finds out that Claire is his half sister, then Aaron is a reminder of his father’s infidelity. And for someone who idealized his father, it’s probably really hard for him to think of his father as an adulterer. Just a thought.
Secondly, and I may be crazy for saying this, but hear me out, I think that our only clue so far about where the island actually is is that time seems to go slower on the island than in the real world. So I tried to think of ways that you could scientifically slow down time for you relative to time on earth. The only way that I know is if you are in space traveling around the world at a really fast speed. I believe it has to do with the theory of relativity. And the writers are so engrossed in science, that I don’t think they’d just give Ben a time machine or something. So maybe the island is spinning around the world? This would explain why time is going slower. It would explain why when the plane crashed, it came in at such a low altitude - maybe it was flying high, as opposed to flying low. It would also explain why the phones the the freighter 4 bring onto the island all of a sudden lose signal and then get signal back again.
Then I thought I was crazy.
And then I saw this quote from Slow…
Amazon blurb for “Valis” is interesting … “It is a fool’s search for God, who turns out to be a virus, a joke, and a mental hologram transmitted from an orbiting satellite.”
So, think about it. I’m not saying I’m right, but I like to speculate.
Comment by Andy11 — February 22, 2008 @ 7:50 am
In response to what’s been written so far, I offer my theory: Claire dies because of a choice Jack makes and Kate takes the baby as her own. Aaron is definitely the “he” that Kate needs to get back to in the flash forward with the bearded Jack…though at the time I imagined it was her husband Sawyer. Now I think Sawyer stays on the island. I think the O six are: Jack, Kate, Sayid, Aaron, Hurley, and Jinn. If Sun had survived, we’d have had another baby to make the count 7.
My Overall Theory: Everyone on that plane was destined to die but cheated destiny. The world is out of whack because 6 came back and are still alive. Someone is out to “make things right” by hunting down and killing the O6, while Sayid and Ben fight back.
Think about Desmond and his recurring visions of Charlie dying until Charlie finally accepted his fate and sacrificed himself. Was Jack supposed to do the same? Maybe it’s all about self-sacrifice. Jack’s suicidal guilt might come from the fact that he chose to save his own life and watched so many others die meaningless deaths because of that choice.
By the way, besides Ben and Julia where have the “Others” gone, have they left the island?
Comment by I Miss Nikki — February 22, 2008 @ 7:55 am
Finally, the writers picked up the Aaron thread again. The kid was missing for two seasons (Charlie’s vision of having to save Aaron was in Season 1 right? That’s the last time I remember being reminded how important Aaron was.) Could Aaron be one of the reasons why Jack wants to go back to the island?
Does anyone think that Michael is Ben’s spy on the freighter?
Comment by weezfreek — February 22, 2008 @ 7:56 am
The time difference that the rocket showed was 31 minutes, out of just over 3 hours, if you do the math, that means by the end of a day there is an over all 4 hour time difference between the island and the “real world” so with the approximate of 90 days on the island, the real world would have had 105 days pass. This would account for a possible time difference in the flashes as well. We pretty much know that they don’t get off the island immediately, there is a problem with getting off the island. We also know that from when Juliet first showed up on the island it is quite a ride, as the fact that they knocked her out with drugs, so she would not be able to account for the time.
Aaron would not be part of the 6, he is not on the manifest, however they are covering up the crash.
Comment by Crystal — February 22, 2008 @ 8:18 am
This episode actually puts a lot of pieces together, let me wrap it up as I understand:
1-When Jack was telling that only 8 people survived, I bet he was referring to the people who decided to leave the island, throughout the rescue process (by the freighter people, or someone else) probably something really bad happened (an accident maybe?) and two of the eight were killed as a result. Claire may be among them and she may be killed because of Jack (or his decision to get off the island) Jack might’ve found out that he and Claire are actually siblings during Claire’s last moments and therefore he may be feeling extremely guilty because of this. Remember, Christian Shepherd might be alive and he might as well told Jack that he and Claire are siblings.
2-How can we be certain that Faraday was testing his memory, maybe he was testing his psychic skills by guessing what are the three cards?
3-Maybe Ben took exactly $3.2 million from Miles’ boss and that’s how Miles knows that Ben has access to that money. We know Miles is always after the money (remember his scene with the grandma and her killed grandson scene in 402)
4-I bet the Oceanix (Oceanic Six) decided not to mention about the surivors who decided to stay in the island and they may have been saying “We were the only survivors since day 1″ That’s why they do have a secret oath to protect the other survivors that they’ve left behind. The tall Jamaican guy may be after those people, remember what future Charlie said to Hurley. Maybe Claire is not dead but she decided to stay behind but wanted her son to go back and therefore she may have given Aaron to Kate’s care.
5-We know the time on the island is different then time on the outside world. Kate’s mom says she’s been waiting to die for 4 years. It means that at least 4 years passed since her last conversation with Kate (may have been much more) So we do not know how long did it take them to get off the island. Right now they have spent 90+ days on the island. Aaron looked like ~4 years old in the end of Ep.4. (Maybe they have spent 4 years in the island before getting off) The season 3 finale was after the events that has been shown on Ep.1 and Ep.4. Jack was doing quite alright in Ep.1 and Ep.4 he was working (he definetely had something with Kate off island) we do not know how much time has passed between the events on ep.4 and season 3 finale. What we know is Jack lost it, he was mindlessly traveling abroad wishing to crash into the island, Kate stopped talking to him and definitely Aaron has grown up enough to worry about his mom. So I am giving at least few years. So time frame is confusing but it definitely makes sense. Remember, we are not seeing the flashforwards in a timely order as we weren’t seeing the flashbacks in timely order either.
I have few more words to say about Season 3 finale, I think S3 finale (the flashforwards) can be taken as the series finale as well, everything fits. Imagine a chain of events (which we will be seeing in the coming flashforwards) that will lead to demise of all the Oceanix except Jack and Kate. The person in the obituary may be the last living person other than Jack and Kate from the Oceanix. Maybe that’s why his death almost was the cause of Jack commiting suicide, because he knew, he was the cause of all the deaths by not taking the Locke’s advice. I believe he wants to go back to island with Kate and Aaron because he knows if they stay they will die.
Overall, we do not have a damn clue of what the hell is going on, but other than that, everything makes sense on its own.
Comment by Verminaard — February 22, 2008 @ 8:22 am
1. I agree with Andy on the solution to Jack not wanting to see Aaron. Darlton has already said that Jack will find out he’s related to Claire. My prediction is that with these new freighter people who have all this info on our castaways, one of them will spill the beans. They’ll think the two already know, and just bring up something about it, leading to the big reveal. However, I don’t think Jack refuses to see Aaron because the baby is a remnant of his father’s identity. I think he refuses simply because while he knew his father had a separate family somewhere, Jack can’t actually cope with the fact that another child came out of it.
2. Ben is the one in the coffin. In episode three, we learned that Ben can definitely be off the island in the “future”. Also, we saw that he had a well established animal clinic. Those things don’t build themselves overnight, which leads me to believe he’s staying off the island for a good amount of time. We saw that Ben had a number of different passports. This means he could easily change his name, which would explain the newspaper article. No one would go to the funeral because…well…they don’t really like Ben.
3. Locke says he’s a protector of the island. He can’t have people interfering in his work. Which is why he kicked Kate out of the little village. Sawyer just wants to live life. He doesn’t consider himself a protector. I think there’s totally going to be a Sawyer vs. Locke element later on this season.
4. Jack told the court that 8 people survived the initial crash. I bet their story goes something like this: Kate, Hurley, Jack, Sayid, Claire, the last two of the O6, and some one random were the ones who survived. Kate rescued all these people, and took the role of leader. Jack delivered Claire’s baby, but since there were no medical facilities, complications arose, and Claire died during child birth. Kate chose to take the baby in and to raise it as her own. The other random person who survived, died for some reason, maybe starvation. And finally, the O6 were rescued.
5. Speaking of Jack’s story of how Kate became the leader. Does anyone ever watch the extras on the DVDs? I believe it was the first season set had a thing on how Michael Keaton was supposed to play Jack, and he was supposed to die after the pilot. After that, Kate was supposed to be the primary character of the show. Perhaps this story of Kate rescuing everyone and being the leader is Darlton’s way of giving a little nod to that original idea?
Comment by Steve — February 22, 2008 @ 8:23 am
Two quick things, both regarding Farraday:
The theory that Farraday could have a form of Aspbergers and the fact that the is on an island known to have healing powers be a reason he is having difficulty remembering the cards? If people with Aspbergers can remember patterns and the island can cure illness, than maybe Farraday is losing that ability because his Apbergers is being “healed.” I understand that Aspbergers is a form of autism and not subject to the rules of modern medicine but on this show, who knows.
The second is Farradays observation that light “doesnt scatter right” on the island. And we know there is some kind of space-time anomaly present on the island, such as in black holes. Don’t black holes have the ability to bend light?
This is all fair game to punch holes in. They are just some preliminary thoughts.
Comment by Jeremy — February 22, 2008 @ 8:31 am
With all the comments on here regarding time travel…and island time being different from regular time.
Hasnt anyone noticed that baby Aaron is not getting any bigger….and after 100 days on the island he is still a little baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Clueless — February 22, 2008 @ 8:42 am
After having 3 boys of my own, Aaron looks like a typical 4 month old…
Comment by Mel — February 22, 2008 @ 8:50 am
If 8 survived the crash and one was Clair who was pregnant at the time of the crash and only 6 people made it off the island and one was Aaron who was born on the island that means that 3 people did not make it. (Not 2)
So I think it is interesting to think not only who were the Ocenantic 6, but who were the 3 that did not make it off, but survived the crash. I would think one would have to be Clair. And why those would they 6 chose those 3 out of all the surviors, for the BIG LIE that there are telling?
Let me know what you think.
Cheers,
Bill
Comment by Bill — February 22, 2008 @ 8:56 am
Aaron is not one of the Oceanic 6. He wasn’t on the plane. Damon and Carlton have said that only people who were on the plane count as the 6…with the exception of Ben who “could” have doctored some papers to say he was on it.
Also, do people not pay attention to this show? Jack and Kate have CLEARLY gotten it on and were together for a good while before the flashforward of court. He doesn’t love her anymore…so something has happened to their relationship.
Also, the cover up must be pretty bad for Jack to lie…since we all know he is annoyingly (at times) willing to go out of his way to do the right thing.
Good stuff all around.
Comment by pic369 — February 22, 2008 @ 9:05 am
I have a few thoughts.
First off. I do not think the island is flying around the world. Thats kind of dumb. If the island is high in the sky and the plane ran into it, explain a freaking helicopter flying to the altitude of a commercial airline and a submarine getting there. You’re simply complicating things.
Also, they are making an explanation for Walt’s growth because the actor is going through growth spurts. I think that the island runs on a slower clock, and when they pass through the anomaly, perhaps children accelerate in growth to match the outside clock. Walt returns looking older. Aaron looks older off the island. He’s jumped a few years. It matches with Kate’s mother’s aging also.
Kate speaks of Aaron at the S3 Finale, saying “he’ll be wondering where I am.” That kid has to be at least 3 or 4 to be cognitive enough to keep away from a TV and be wondering where mom is.
So the deal has to be that Claire either dies or choses to stay. And why would she stay and say “Hey Kate, you’re pretty responsible with your relationships and such, take my baby.” I don’t buy that.
I don’t think Ben is in the coffin, unless his legs get cut off at his knees. It could be anyone.
The 8 survivors story has to be a fabrication of the people who leave. I have a feeling that some bad things are going to take place and the 6 actually commandeer the Not Penny’s Boat. This creepy Jamaican guy that visited Hurley seems very interested on where the other people are. It’s hard to say right now. I really stopped theorizing after the season 2 finale. I just watch it and let them blow my mind one episode at at time. It feels good.
Comment by Dan Berry — February 22, 2008 @ 9:09 am
Jakemoe makes an excellent point about Penny knowing that Charlie and Des were alive at some point. I suppose they could be the 2 that make up the 8 crash survivors along with the O6. But there would be all kinds of ramifications if Penny made her contact with the island public knowledge. The simple explanation is that something’s going to happen to Penny to keep her quiet…but we all know about simple explanations on this show.
As for Faraday’s 3-Card-Monte game…he or Charlotte clearly mentioned “remembering” and that his performance is improving. So he’s either having memory troubles since arriving on the island or, as I think was mentioned above, he’s done this experiment before while on the island in another timeline.
Comment by Tight5 — February 22, 2008 @ 9:24 am
I’m not sure if this has been mentioned, but I feel that Aaron really is going to have a greater significance that most folks think. I say this because of the choice of his name. If you go back to the Old Testament, Aaron was the first High Priest. And he stretched out his rod (after being commanded by Moses) and brought forth the first of the three plagues against the Egyptians. Maybe that was why the psychic was so admanant that Claire be one to raise him? Just a thought, but I’m really feeling that he’s gonna turn out to be more powerful than some might think.
Comment by Kelly — February 22, 2008 @ 9:29 am
I agree with Dan…I don’t think that the 8 survivors story is the made up story that they tell everyone once they get back to the real world. They are talking about the original plane crash. Kate acts like it’s a lie when she says, “I’ve heard that story a million times”. So I wouldn’t worry about who the other two people are.
Secondly, you don’t have to call me dumb, Dan…it’s one of the first ideas that actually tries to relate some of this stuff to science. I mean, you’re right, how do you explain a NON working sub that could’ve just been placed there. I think I’d question the fact that something as big as an island with water could somehow be rotating around the world, so I agree with you there.
But it makes less sense to me that as people leave the island they would just go back to their normal age. Time on the island is moving slower than time off the island, but they are still happening in parallel…otherwise you wouldn’t be able to have real time phone conversations with people on the boat.
I still think that the writers are too smart to reach out to science fiction, so far everything that’s been explained has had a good make-sense explanation, and the only scientific way to slow down time is by using the theory of relativity…if there’s another way, let me know. I’d love to hear some ideas…I think it will bring us closer to realizing what this island actually is.
Any science majors out there?????????
Comment by Andy11 — February 22, 2008 @ 9:32 am
Did anyone notice a “hint” between Claire and Kate of what was to come at the clothesline. Aaron was fussing and Claire said to Kate to go ahead and pick Aaron up. Kate said no and that she was not good with children. That scene made you think something was to come between Kate and Aaron but I never dreamed that Aaron was going to be Kate’s son! Also, Aaron definitely did appear to have downs. That was my very first thought when I saw him. Hopefully more answers to come.
Comment by Big D — February 22, 2008 @ 9:41 am
Jack testifies that they crashed in the south pacific on an island, yet the news reports the plane crashed in the indian ocean… Is this a plot hole or is something else going on here??
Comment by Super Mario — February 22, 2008 @ 10:14 am
Back to the twin theory…is it possible that both Sayid’s boss AND the German gal’s boss were Ben, or at least different incarnations of Ben?
Comment by GRV — February 22, 2008 @ 10:46 am
I’m not sure if this has been covered before, but has anyone picked up on Daniel’s last name Faraday, and, in the show’s spirit of having names with meaning, its greater connection? The Faraday cage…
Here’s what Wikipedia has to say…
A Faraday cage or Faraday shield is an enclosure formed by conducting material, or by a mesh of such material. Such an enclosure blocks out external static electrical fields. Faraday cages are named after physicist Michael Faraday, who built one in 1836.
Comment by Amaranthus — February 22, 2008 @ 10:53 am
Hey guys I slowed down the previews for episode 5 and did anyone notice at the very end of the preview it showed a Short haired clean cut Desmond! throwing none other then a long haired Daniel Faraday up against a physics filled chalkboard? And you hear Desmond say something close to “how am I going to die”! It really sounds like he says something about death to a long haired Faraday.
So I believe Faraday has a special ability alot like Desmonds visions— Example, Charlotte testing his ability with remembering the cards.
Comment by Beatty — February 22, 2008 @ 11:19 am
Did anyone notice in the credits that the child was listed as “2-year-old boy”? This sort of gives us a time frame for the setting of the trial. So this isn’t happening as soon as they’ve been rescued. I wish though they’d say how long the survivors were lost before being rescued. I know it’s 90+ days since the crash (island time) when the freighties arrive. If I were super-obsessed, I could do a timeline noting Kate’s arrest and the onset of her mom’s cancer, etc, and calculate whether the baby is actually Aaron or not (depending on whether those dates are available in an easter-egg somewhere). But I’m too tired.
Comment by Kayne — February 22, 2008 @ 11:59 am
My theory as to how they get off the island.
We know from the FF that the leader (financer) of the Freighties is trying to hit Hurley up for some “What happened, is anyone still alive” type info — he is in the dark about what happened with his own people that is for sure. We know they are his people because we saw him hire Naomi.
Piecing together that along with the other bits and pieces we have been given via the FF’s. It is pretty evident that the freighties do not get them off the Island at all…and most likely are either left on the Island or killed.
Which brings me to my next point — Miles’ deal with Ben and the casket.
I think that Ben and Miles make their deal and then Miles splits the Island with his money and Ben (the all powerful Ben as we are finding out) — makes some sort of deal with the 6 and they leave via whatever method Ben has been using….with some made up stories that are fabricated by Ben and held secure in return for their freedom.
Miles is in the casket. Ben is all powerful and all knowing. Miles blackmails Ben. Ya
Comment by dusty — February 22, 2008 @ 12:14 pm
As far as the difference in time that everyone is talking about what about Juliet in season 3…
I don’t remember the exact dialogue and haven’t seen the episode in a long time but it goes something like this…
She is talking to Jack and looking through a window at I think an about to be operated on Ben when she says the exact number of days (3 years and something else) that she has been on the island and Jack seems to agree that it is the same time frame.
Also, in one of her flashbacks talking about her sister she sees a “live” feed of her sister and her son and the age of the son is appropriate as to how old she thinks the son could be.
Just a thought…
Comment by Mindy — February 22, 2008 @ 12:25 pm
Kayne, there’s a decent timeline on lostpedia.
Peeps, no disrespect meant, but I am pretty sure the 2 year old Aaron is not supposed to represent a Downs Syndrome child. He was cast because he looks exactly like Claire. I work with special needs children and neither the actor who played Aaron and the character of Aaron have downs syndrome — plus, I’d wager my whole career working with children that the writers wouldn’t take the story to that dramatic level.
I may be wrong, but I think that would be too delicate a subject to deal with in an already complex story. Plus, you have Downs Syndrome from birth, and the baby in the 2004 island looks typical, not special needs.
Comment by Lmz2727 — February 22, 2008 @ 12:29 pm
I have a theory about Jack’s reluctance to see Aaron.
First of all, he calls the freighter to try to get them rescued.
Since Claire is in Locke’s camp, she is trying to protect herself and Aaron from the possible threat of the freighter people.
Somehow, Jack convinces her to bring Aaron along to get rescued with the others and in the process, she dies.
He then feels responsible for his half-sisters death because he called the ship and he convinced her to leave instead of staying with Locke.
Comment by Tim — February 22, 2008 @ 12:43 pm
Heres what I see…Sayid is working for Ben against his will to protect his friends (The ones left on the island.) When Jack testifies for kate he says the plane crashed into the water and that Kate was the one to rescue them since he was pretty badly hurt. That story he told was scripted and all of the 6 have to keep the same story or their friends on the Island will die. I think Ben is the one in the coffin and the reason Jack wants to go back to the island is to save the people that were left behind. Kate does not want because she would have to give Aaron back to Claire who was left on the island. I think Locke actions get his group captured by Jacob and the only way to save them is by working with Ben who winds up dead.
Just a theory.
Comment by Akohut — February 22, 2008 @ 12:43 pm
Hi guys!
Don’t mean to be rude… been coming to this site pretty often. I always see people asking the same questions that are already answered in the synopsis up above by the Webmaster. Please read the summary above even if you don’t read everyone’s comments. It’s polite and you’ll realize you don’t have to post a question or comment that’s already there. Sorry if this was rude. I just see a lot of people, including the webmaster, thinking and writing a lot and then it’s completely ignored.
Comment by Aaron's Mom — February 22, 2008 @ 12:58 pm
One of the more interesting things to me about Aaron’s appearance off-island is his age. Obviously they’ve been off-island for a lot longer than they were on-island, unless there’s still a lot of time before they get off, which seems unlikely.
Comment by Vaquero — February 22, 2008 @ 1:05 pm
I thought Daniel was trying to use psychic abilities on the cards.
and
Xanadu is a great movie! Any movie done entirely on rollerskates gets an A+ in my book. And you simply can’t beat that part with Gene Kelly!
Comment by downthehatch — February 22, 2008 @ 1:20 pm
Looking at the last scene from 4.04 in Aaron’s bedroom, there are some decorations on the wall behind his bed. They are robot/statue shaped pictures both of which have 4 toes on each foot! Could this be a reference to the 4-toed statue on the island? When I saw this, I had a total goosebump moment.
Comment by amanda — February 22, 2008 @ 1:35 pm
Did you notice that in the credits following the show, they referred to Kate’s “son” as the 2-year old child?
Comment by snowsurfgirl — February 22, 2008 @ 2:33 pm
Michael and Walt are two of the other eight survivors from the plane crash when Jack testified that there were eight survivors!
Comment by PJHeat — February 22, 2008 @ 2:41 pm
He may be or may not be the only baby born on the island Mandy, who knows. But I think removing Aaron may play a big part being that every baby IS healthy when born there like you said and once removed, there will be common side effects. *SPOILER* coming up…(Much like there will be a side effect with Desmond once he is in mid-flight on the chopper away from the island.) How do you like this season so far Mandy?
Comment by Franky — February 22, 2008 @ 2:49 pm
Beatty-
I did notice the short-haired Dez and the long-haired Faraday in the previews for 4.05
I think it plays into the whole time-loop theory. The Losties are caught in a Loop and they are trying to make things happen differently (change the outcome of the Valenzetti equation somehow). Remember at the end of season 3 how the 2 women in the Looking Glass hatch said the jamming device was programmed by a musician? I think Charlie programmed it in a previous time….Also, the Adam and Eve skeletons from season 1 might be Jack and Kate….
Just throwing it out there…been reading theories for a long time, but never posted…so who knows!
Thoughts?
Comment by Kuz — February 22, 2008 @ 2:55 pm
During the trial it had been 4 years since the crash. Kate’s mom says that everything changed when she thought kate was dead. The Dr.’s had been telling her she had 6 months to live for the past 4 years. Which would make it 2008.
Comment by AndyinCinci — February 22, 2008 @ 3:01 pm
I think kate may have had arron because claire may have gave her him to look after.
In Lost atm claire i following john, meaning she agree’s with him & doesnt seem too interested in getting of the island any time soon.
On the other hand kate is, and maybe claire gave arron to her when she was rescued to give arron better life away from the island? lol, Just an idea.
Comment by Ashley Carter — February 22, 2008 @ 3:38 pm
I just went back and slowed down the scenes from next week before coming on here and that is definitely desmond and daniel. Very interesting…. I don’t think it’s time loop in that’s the future or anything but perhaps desmond goes back to a close time to when he did last time… Didn’t his professor friend have a “friend” physicist at oxford? i think so… maybe i’m wrong. It’ll be somewhat similar but different from paint can episode flash.
Also, It may have seemed small at the time and we might have already begun to suspect… but the fact that daniel is trying to utilize psychic powers by way of the cards suggests that the freighters “know” that the island AMPS psychic abilities… but is daniel psychic or does the island amp is normal abilities?
Maybe they’re just some new breakers for the crimson king.
I don’t even think aaron was the biggest thing in the episode… i’ve had a feeling claire’s time had come for awhile… i just wish she died instead of charlie… even though it’s starting to become apparent that charlie maybe should have died before playing good vibrations…
Comment by hurleybird — February 22, 2008 @ 3:42 pm
Claire would have been completely stupid to give aaron to kate of all people… maybe she is better now… but remember: IT’S SUPPOSED TO BE IMPORTANT THAT CLAIRE WAS TOLD “TO NOT LET ANYONE ELSE RAISE THE BABY”…
I know it’s been a long time to come full circle… but it’s not a good thing that kate has aaron… Did the freighters want the baby away from claire or the island?
It is a bad sign that claire is not watching over him.
(btw, yes i do want claire to die, but at the same time… her “purpose” apparently was to raise aaron)
Comment by hurleybird — February 22, 2008 @ 3:47 pm
Kuz,
I had a similar thought about Charlie programming the “Good Vibrations” code for the looking glass station. I wonder if there were any easter eggs I’ve missed over the seasons that would back this theory up….
cool…
Comment by lmz27 — February 22, 2008 @ 4:15 pm
I too noticed the four-toed kids’ artwork! Loved it!
Has anyone considered this fact:
“Oceanic Six” will be a name coined by the American press. In order to get notoriety enough to receive a press “name” the people will have to:
1. be associated with Oceanic - probably not Ben, Desmond, Juliet, freighties
2. be American OR have returned to American soil from the ordeal - for instance, if Jin, Sun and their baby go back to Seoul like they said in this episode, the American press probably wouldn’t care about them other than a page-3 blurb, and would just name the castaways who came back to the US. So, our “Oceanic Six” could mean six people PLUS Jin, Sun, Others, Freighties, possibly Claire, Aaron (depending on where this storyline goes), even Sawyer if, given a choice, he asks to be returned to Switzerland or something to avoid the law.
Two more unrelated observations:
1. It’s not Miles in the coffin. It’s one of the Losties, Ben or Juliet, or possibly Christian (Jack may hate him so much he doesn’t consider him “family”). D&C would know that scene would send Lost freaks into a tizzy forever, and revealing it was someone no one cares about would be a huge letdown. No one cares about Miles and I don’t see his character transforming into a major player anytime soon.
2. About the $3.2 mil - Anyone thought maybe Miles is Ben’s mole, and they have a set of coded statements so they can communicate if others (Kate) are listening? For instance, Ben may have told him to demand an even number if the Freighties are bad, odd if they’re good. Or something like that, probably a little more complicated than what I wrote here. Miles seemed just a little too anxious to get to Ben just to demand money neither of them can do anything with for the foreseeable future. Yeah, Miles is money-hungry, but that whole extortion scene just seemed too…pointlessly stupid.
My $.02.
Darel
Comment by Darel — February 22, 2008 @ 6:22 pm
Oh, and one more thing: the psychic that both Claire and Rose went to works for Dharma, Mittelwerk (most likely), Hanso, or one of the above. He played a very important role in getting Claire on that plane, and perhaps we’ll see later on that the Losties find out about him and Claire gives Aaron to Kate because he was lying. The easiest lie to remember is one based in truth. Telling Claire “You must raise this baby because if you don’t evil will be brought into this world” was an inversion. His boss wants her to raise Aaron because for whatever reason, evil will be brought into the world BECAUSE SHE RAISED HIM. They realize this later on and Claire reluctantly gives Aaron to Kate for the greater good. Mystery: why not give her to Sun, who seemed to take more care of Aaron than anyone but Claire and Charlie? If you want someone to take care of your kid, you don’t care that they live on the other side of the island. You want them raised right.
I have to go back and watch the episode when Rose goes to see the psychic. Something tells me I’ll find out he played a key role in getting her on that plane, but my memory is a bit hazy right now. Anyone recall what ep that was, anyway?
Comment by Darel — February 22, 2008 @ 6:40 pm
Why was Farraday playing with Dharma cards? Were they ones that were already on the island? It seems to me that it was an exercise that Daniel was used to performing and that they had them with them. This would tie into her Dharma bracelet and polar bear collar. Does Dharma still hold all of the cards….
Comment by joe m — February 22, 2008 @ 7:00 pm
Why does Dharma even make playing cards? I think they’ve been drinking too much of their own boxed wine….
Comment by yakisnat — February 22, 2008 @ 7:02 pm
lmz27,
I bet there are. Maybe that’s how Locke knew the rain was going to stop? He seems to have one of the strongest connections with the island, so maybe he can remember more from the previous “loop”….who knows…is it Thursday yet?
I just purchased season 3 on blu ray and am starting the marathon tomorrow…so addicted to this frickin show! Anyone know when season 1 or 2 might be released on blu ray?
Comment by Kuz — February 22, 2008 @ 7:10 pm
Why does Ben have millions of dollars? No one questioned why Juliet pulled up to a gigantic multi-million dollar facility outside of Portland where she was met by Richard and Ethan before getting in the sub to go to the island. It is fairly obvious to me that money is not an issue. If you have to have an answer then Ben sold Black Rock gold for billions.
Comment by majhsgkjglkajl — February 22, 2008 @ 7:21 pm
Not that it’s so important, but the primary pilot in a helicopter sits on the right-hand side. The reason is that her right hand is used on the cyclic control that comes out of the floor b/w the knees, which controls forward/back/left/right movement. The left hand is used to control a lever on the ground on the left side of the seat, which handles throttle and collective (up/down). That lever can be “set” and left alone until altitude needs to be adjusted. The left hand is now free to manage communication, switches, and what-not on the center panels.
Comment by Eric — February 22, 2008 @ 8:04 pm
When there was the clothesline scene with kate and claire and aaron, it made me think, what if kates son was aaron, and so yeah it was.
Comment by Grinspoon — February 22, 2008 @ 9:08 pm
Vibration Theory
Kuz– Your post not only made me remember my original impulse that Charlie programmed that song as a code but it also got me thinking that it could be a clue to the larger mythology of the island. I googled “good vibrations and lost” to see if it had been theorized about at all at the time TTLG aired, and I found a couple of good ideas…. one person smartly posted about certain (real life) experiments with vibrations that scientists have been doing — manipulating vibrations of waves can possibly make a cloaking device of sorts by bending light and thus protecting objects from being seen or penetrated…. I found this too:
“Everything on the planet vibrates at its own frequency. A quartz crystal, for instance, is the only rock that vibrates with a steady frequency once an electrical
current is passed through it, which is why it’s used in watches. All
we’d have to do would be to find a way to vibrate the atoms of our body
to the same oscillation that the atoms of the walls are vibrating at
and just slide on through.” [http://www.abctales.com/node/536218]
Then, I searched on Wikipedia about invisibility, and found a lot about how scientists have been experimenting since the 40s with making invisibility cloaks for ships and things by manipulating the scattering and vibrations of lightwaves. (connected to Faraday’s comment on light scattering?) On wikipedia, there’s this little blurb about rendering an object (or space? place?) invisible:
“On February 14, 2005, Andrea Alů and Nader Engheta at the University of Pennsylvania announced in a research paper that plasmons could be used to cancel out visible light or radiation coming from an object. This ‘plasmonic cover’ would work by suppressing light scattering by resonating with illuminated light, which could render objects “nearly invisible to an observer.” The plasmonic screen would have to be tuned to the object being hidden, and would only suppress a specific wavelength: An object made invisible in red light would still be visible in multiwavelength daylight.” [wikipedia]
Also on wikipedia, there is a blurb about how theoretically in physics an object may become invisible:
“An object may become invisible by emitting or reflecting light outside the wavelength range of visible light. (Radiation is generally invisible by this means.) Unfortunately, this would result in any obscured human being becoming not invisible and transparent, but completely opaque and resembling a human-shaped black hole.” [wikipedia]
Um, could this be the explanation for SMOKY and the WHISPERS????
Good Vibrations the clue to everything??? Okay — Kuz — and everyone — shoot holes, expand, build, clarify — thoughts?
Comment by Lmz27 — February 22, 2008 @ 9:11 pm
My theory is that the reason that Kate is raising Aaron is that it is part of the Oceanic cover-up. We know that Desmond saw a “vision” of Claire and Aaron getting on the helicoptor. Let’s assume this is true. We also are getting a sense that Island time is slower than real-world time. When they return back to the real-world Aaron is much younger that he ought to be in real-world time. Since the world knows that Claire was about 8 months pregnant at the time of the crash, they would expect to see her child at the appropriate age in “real-time” (which would be older than the developmental age of Aaron. Clair can’t show up with a baby who is -lets say 4 months old- if the baby is supposed to be older. Therefore Kate has to claim the baby as her own as part of the deal they make in order to get off the island. Kate tells the world that she concieved and gave birth to Aaron on the island, which would conform to what would be expected in “real-time”.
As for Jacks not wanting to see the baby - I too thought that “Aaron” seemed to have facial characteristics of a child with down syndrom. Perhaps these symptoms only became apparant after leaving the island. An earlier post mentioned the islands healing powers. If this were true then Jack would certainly feel extremely guilty about the choice to leave the island being that it cause a dissorder in Aaron. This would also explain why Kate says that she understands why he doesn’t want to see the baby.
Just my Thoughts.
Comment by tracy — February 22, 2008 @ 9:27 pm
I love everyone doing the ol’ “good on you” to Xanadu. The movie rocks and the soundtrack by ELO is untouchable. The whole package was genius in its messiness. What I find fascinating about it as it correlates to Lost (think 3 Dog Night’s “Shambala”–Hurley and the Dharma van moment–also a song about a version of paradise) is this: the 80’s film Xanadu kinda mashed up all these disparate elements in the same way Cuse and Lindelof do. X. the film was about WWII Bugle Boy girls, roller disco, Greek mythology (as someone noted above), art and painting, etc. Lost, for me, is about Greek Mythology and heavy doses of Stephen King and fate and faith and fathers ad nauseum. My point is that Cuse, Lindelof, and Abrams (albeit more successfully than Xanadu) marry the high and low brow and mash it all together. Come on. Slave ships and Mama Cass songs. Judy Blume novels and layers of time-space continuum theory…
Comment by Miles Makes Me Mad — February 22, 2008 @ 11:08 pm
SIGNIFICANCE OF THE CARDS???
I’m a bit shocked that everyone is fixated on Faraday’s attempt to predict the cards vs the actual meanings of the cards. Like some ‘card readers’ or fortune tellers would attest, each card has a meaning and more importantly, varying meaning when interpreted for a male vs that of a female client. So here’s what the cards mean and you can make your own interpretation based on these descriptions….
Queen of Diamonds
“For the male client, the Queen of Diamonds indicates a meeting with a woman who has a strong personality. This meeting may have just taken place, will happen shortly. (possibly referring to Kate as it was a Kate-centric episode?) Even if this woman is an invaluable ally, she must be handled with kid gloves because she is more sensitive and vulnerable than she seems. (kate’s tough exterior but vulnerable interior?) If she is offended she will quickly become an opponent who uses all her knowledge and energy to destroy her enemy. She sometimes lacks the patience to develop insight as to the motives and feelings of others, and her haste may create enemies (bringing Miles and Ben together, thus upsetting Locke).
6 of Clubs
This is an interesting one due to also appearing in a painting on the wall in Aaron’s bedroom at the end of the episode (see doc arzt’s blog with screen caps).
This card has two meanings, one which could apply to Faraday and one that could apply to Aaron. For Aaron, it is more simple. The 6 of clubs represents innocence and naivety (baby Aaron not knowing Kate isn’t his real mom?)
For ole Faraday, its a bit more complex….as interpreted here….
“The 6 of Clubs is THE card of Intuition. Its presence in your cards can indicate a time when your intuition can be stronger.(Faraday showing improvement, per Charlotte’s comments?) It is also the card of Speech and Communications and of making compromises to maintain a peaceful surrounding.(keeping the Losties appeased while still pursuing his own agenda?) On a more universal level, the presence of the 6 of Clubs can indicate a time when we can become aware of a special purpose in our life, something to do with sharing higher knowledge with others. It has also been called the ‘John the Baptist’ card and the ‘Way-Shower’s’ card. Thus it can be a harbinger of an important mission for you, one which will lead you to a higher purpose and lifestyle in the spiritual sense.
3 of Spades
This card is a Health related card. I won’t get into it too much due to the fact that he got it wrong and therefore it may not apply. But either way, it can be a positive card towards your future health, or it can be a negative indication of future health. Since he got it wrong, maybe that’s a negative indication that Faraday’s health or existence is jeopardy? …something to keep in the back of our heads.
Comment by Charlie's Ghost — February 23, 2008 @ 12:40 am
Raised By Another
I just wanted to remind you guys that episode 1×10 “Raised By Another”, was all about Claire giving up Aaron for adoption. At the beginning she has a dream where she’s running through the jungle and meets Locke who says to her: “He was your responsibility but you gave him away, Claire. Everyone pays the price now.” I think that refers to giving him to Kate not as we assumed at that point, giving him up for adoption. And then, of course, there’s the psychic in her flashbacks who tells her: “I can tell you, this is important. It is crucuial that you yourself raise this child. This child parented by anyone else, anyone other than you ….” then he suddenly stops talking and after a moment he adds: “danger surrounds this baby. Your nature, your spirit, your goodness, must be an influence in the development of this child. There is no happy life. Not for this child, not without you. It can’t be another. You mustn’t allow another to raise your baby….Ms. Littleton, please. The baby needs your protection.” What if all this refers to giving the baby to Kate and not to the flashback adoption plot. Will the people back on the island who won’t be rescued pay the price? Locke being one of them?
This came to my mind because Locke told Ben to read that Philip K. Dick book again since he could catch something he missed the second time around.
Comment by madnorthnorthwest — February 23, 2008 @ 1:55 am
It’s probably Ben in the coffin that we see in the flash forward
Comment by none — February 23, 2008 @ 3:53 am
Many of you have mentioned the events in Raised by Another, but I haven’t seen anyone mention that in “?” Claire’s psychic “admitted” to Eko that he was a fraud. So there are three possibilities: either he was lying to Claire, lying to Eko, or neither. In the third case, perhaps he was initially a fraud, but had a vision for the first time when he gave Claire’s “reading”. That would mean that the “miracle” in “?” would have taken place before Claire’s first reading (or perhaps at about the same time, and the psychic was still coming to terms with his new abilities). I’m not positive if the timeline fits - it depends how long Eko was staying in Australia after the psychic “confessed” to him. Any thoughts?
Comment by Steve — February 23, 2008 @ 5:45 am
Why did they run alot of the same film again in Eggtown that they did in The Economist? I think they were trying to should that the outcome is not set and thing can be changed. My biggest ? is,, when Hurley and Sawyer are in the house Hurley starts the VCR and in 4×3 its screaming rock and in 4×4 its Xanadu. Both times Sawyers says turn that down he’s reading.
Comment by John D — February 23, 2008 @ 5:51 am
Lmz27 (and all!)
That’s a new theory and I like it. I just don’t know if people would buy it as an explanation for the island’s properties though. Like most people, I think they’re going to use some sort of (pseudo) science to explain what’s going on. They’ll probably combine said explanation with some sort of religious undertone as well. What those are remains to be seen, obviously!
I don’t know if it’s cool to post a link here or not but check this theory out if you haven’t already:
http://mirrormattermoon.blogspot.com/
Some really interesting stuff! Now, come to think of it, I don’t know if this would be more plausible than your vibration theory! I think in the end, the writers are going to have to dumb down the explanation for the masses (um, that would include me!) and explain some of the more far fetched connections with religion/fate.
Comment by Kuz — February 23, 2008 @ 8:33 am
Just an idea, but I think that all or at least some of the Freighties are experiencing Desmond-esque flashes, and Daniel was trying to remember the cards he had seen when he saw he future in order to test it. I’m basing this on the “Lost moment” where Minkowski asks Desmond if “it’s happening to [him] too”, which I’m guessing is the psychic flashes.
Comment by Dave B — February 23, 2008 @ 10:04 am
I keep thinking about the “Lord of the Flies.” …didn’t the one kid skip out on everyone else and lie about there being any others? I forget.
Is it just the little turf war that’s made the O-6 lie about being the only survivors, or is there more to it?
Comment by Jaybird — February 23, 2008 @ 10:49 am
I havn’t realized but just noticed now about becca commenting me on what I said about the whole baby being defected and drinking the cause of it. Was just my opinion on the whole take. In fact, everyone here states there opinions on what they see and know but I don’t see anyone going at eachother’s throat aobut it. We’re free to say what we like on here, other then cursing and profanity of course. I know where to draw the line. If I offended you I apologize. Other then that, don’t get too caught up on what someone says and just keep reading on.
Comment by Franky — February 23, 2008 @ 6:21 pm
I believe a large point that is going unaddressed here is the fact that Ben has tricked the others and many of the “losties” into thinking he was raised on the island since birth when in fact he came over to the island as did everyone else (seen in the episode focused on Ben’s flashbacks). True he “purged the Dharma initiative for himself and the others and eventually took control to leaD THE OTHERS. Now, think of all the recent talks of saving, helping, and protecting “their friends.”
For example, Jack says at the end of season 3, “We have to go back. We should have never left.”
Charlie tells Hurley in his visit to the mental health hospital, “They need your help.”
And Ben, tells Sayid (who apparently “sold his soul to the devil” as he states on the island if he ever trusts Ben he would have), “You want to protect your friends don’t you?”
I think these statements indicate clearly that those who did not come home are still alive on the island somewhere but they can’t return even though they know or think they should.
Now back to my main point. Since Ben lied about being born on the island, there is now only one character actually born on the island and lived….AARON. I would think such a notion whould bother Ben to no end considering he wants everyone to think of him as the almighty leader. I believe that Aaron is not one of the Oceanic 6 and somehow, Ben arranged for Aaron to leave secretly and be protected by Kate because he fears that Aaron is truly the only one to be born and possibly have a special relationship with the island.
The island is clearly loctaed within some type of time/space distortion on bearing 325 as seen in Daniel Faradays 31 minute off experiemnt, instructions to Michael and now Frank to stay on a bearing of 325, and apparently Ben is able to travel at will across the world (passports, money, etc.). I would guess he has and knows where these “portals” or “doorways” are located on the island and lead to. For example, I would have to believe that the polar bears came through this portal and one somehow ended up in Tunisia….which Cynthia Staples Lewis discovered. Perhaps Anthony Cooper was brought to the island by Ben to mess with Locke through one of these portals.
Perhaps Desmond lied to Charlie about his vision of Claire boarding the helicopter. Remember people such as Charles Whidmore and Sun’s father are powerful and wealthy people and might have something to do with the freighter.
My last guess is that there has to be a place for Sun to leave the island as an Oceanic 6 or secretly. She is pregnant and must give birth, however if done on the island, she will die. I do think Claire is alive and Aaron just reminds Jack too much of the “losties” that they left behind….I don’t think he has any idea Aaron is his nephew.
Comment by Joshua D. G. — February 23, 2008 @ 7:46 pm
By the way…. it would have been nice to see Claire a tad more upset about Charlie dying!!! She’s all smiles in the last episode with Kate!!!!!
Comment by JDG — February 23, 2008 @ 8:22 pm
Joshua DG — good ideas and theories. Thought provoking at the very least. But all this talk of Aaron and Ben makes me wonder something — if anyone has any ideas or thoughts please let me know: Why couldn’t the others just “recruit” already pregnant women from around the globe to come and give birth on the island? They brought Juliet there… why not populate the island with mothers to be who’d be willing to come stay? It can’t be that hard to find at least a few pregnant women across the entire planet who’d have nothing to lose by agreeing to stay on the island. It seems that Ben is so motivated to get the women there to be able to give birth, so a child being born on the island shouldn’t be a super threat to Ben… unless there is some ulterior motive. And yet, he refuses to bring a pregnant islander off the island to test Juliet’s hypothesis about conception, and he also seems to have precluded the scenario that Claire presents — a woman COMING to the island already pregnant and successfully giving birth. What about a third possibliity: sending his people off the island to conceive, and then bringing them back to carry out the pregnancy. What’s with all Ben’s secret agendas???? What’s the real deal with being born on this island, being conceived on this island, being a child on this island….
Also…. what if the phrase “must not be raised by another” was misinterpreted by the psychic as “must not be raised by an ‘other’”? hahaha… JK.
Comment by lmz27 — February 24, 2008 @ 12:12 am
wasnt the whole thing with jack and the baby the guilt of those left behind? Possibly the fact they took the baby from claire when they left? Or its a reminder of those who jack left behind and we know he wasnt able to get over that fact. They couldnt get claire rescued, or something.
Personally i dont know how on earth they will finish the show? Jump forwards in time with Jack returning to the island as his home, or just ending with the future flashbacks as is and them all leaving the island.
Obviously sayid and ben are working separately from what jack, kate, hurley know, are aware of. Unless ben sacrificed himself and the island for the islands sake, which seems unlikely.
Comment by Grinspoon — February 24, 2008 @ 5:25 am
Hi All,
I’ve got few questions on Season-4, about things I felt having missing-pieces.
Let’s see any have answers.
1. What the hell has happened to the other “Others”. Why they are not coming to check on the friends went to Beach on last Finale and on the status of Ben?
2. Jack & Co at beach and Locke & co at the barracks are seem to have easy life. Afterall they dont seem to fear anymore for “Others” and doesnt seem to expect any attacks or any need to stay alert.
3. Island seems to have grown smaller in size recently bcos’ everyone is able to move from one place to other wise ease(within few hours) like they are in their backyard, whereas in the earlier seasons it would take atleast a day ( May be they got familier with shortest routes
though! ).
4. Smoke Monster seems to have gone for a vacation. Bcos lot of forrest crossings happening without the Monster. (Locke mentioned it to Ben, to make sure we (the viewers) dont forget it.)
5.Does anyone know any kind of phone’s without showing Todays’ date?
Losties got hold of the “Fancy” phone from frighter team, which reminds me of iPhone. If there is a “time” issue, It should have been known by now. OR Is it just a Loop-hole in the script?
Tippu
Comment by Tippu — February 24, 2008 @ 5:40 am
Tippu….as a quick response to where the others have gone. When Ben left with his daughter to meet with the “losties” at the end of season 3, Ben instructed Richard and the others to “head for the temple.” Could this be the 4 toed greek statue Sayid, Sun, and Jin saw when sailing the boat to light the siganal fire or is “the temple” a location on the island that we have not yet seen nor heard of? Another lost mystery at work for now while we meet the freighter people.
Comment by JDG — February 24, 2008 @ 12:20 pm
with sawyer reading all the time, he must of had a transition in life from “TV” to books. alot of his nicknames seems to derive from TV shows, where he even said he watched alot of TV…then to books, which must be from when he was in Jail. probably read alot.
on the baby thing, after thinking about it, there probably isn’t some huge life or death thing with claire, but perhaps anotehr long drawn out “they took my baby”, only this time, it’s jake and kate through some twist of fate. where the baby is sick, and they can’t fit claire on the chopper, and will come back for her and never do.
and some big stuff goes down on the boat, and they all are sworn to the secret. i doubt it is something like claire dies….
Comment by rooster — February 24, 2008 @ 1:02 pm
Rooster… i really like your guess about kate and jack taking aaron because he is sick and promising to come right back for claire as soon as possible, and then never being able to, either bc they can’t physically or because of the deal… that’s why they seem so torn up about circumstances surrounding the baby. Maybe Kate was forced to pretend she was the mother because there was no way to explain to the world that there were other survivors… or bc of their “deal” they can’t tell the world about the other survivors. There has to be some other circumstances though why Claire has to stay instead of Kate. If it came down to it and her friend’s baby was sick, I’d think Kate would give up her spot so that Claire could go with her baby.
Comment by lmz27 — February 24, 2008 @ 1:44 pm
Who is this Minkowski we keep hearing so much about on the freighter? Has anything been said or talked about reguarding him? And Regina? So there are at least 2 people we know of on the freighter or has there been clues to more?
Comment by JDG — February 24, 2008 @ 2:04 pm
I’m beginning to hate this show now. I have no idea how, through all these seasons, everything we’ve seen has any relevance to ANYTHING whatsoever. I have a feeling that we as the audience are making everything out to be bigger than it really is. Therefore, when the series is over, I’m going to say “what a waste of my time.” I already hate the fact 6 of my favorite Losties are falling apart after they get off the island. I was hoping for a full-on victory for them. This season is the worst yet. It feels like a whole different show.
Comment by Dale — February 24, 2008 @ 4:23 pm
okay, so today i’ve been watching all of season 3 and 2 things that i saw that were wierd
in the desmond-centric episode where he has the whole time travel episode he meets that old lady when we wants to buy penny the ring and she tells him he’s not supposed to do that. she tells him he can’t change it because the universe has a way of correcting itself. what’s odd is she appears in a picture on the head monks desk head in catch-22. that’s odd. i think we go back to this episode and some big clues are revealed. maybe they aren’t supposed to get off the island, maybe they needed to die there. maybe that’s what jack realizes in the future flash backs, that they aren’t supposed to be back. as a result the entire universe is out of balance.
well that’s my theory, but why is that old woman in that picture, sure this was discussed back then but it struck me as odd.
Comment by peak — February 24, 2008 @ 4:47 pm
A few posts above mention Aaron as being super special because he was the ‘only one’ actually born on the island that was healthy… what about Alex? Danielle recorded her ‘transmission’ 3 days before Alex was born and Alex seems perfectly healthy to me. Am I missing something?
That said - neither Alex or Aaron were conceived on-island, so I’m a bit worried for Sun.
I think Kate takes (adopts/assumes responsibility for) Aaron when something happens to Claire during a rescue attempt - back to Desmond’s helicopter vision, something may happen to her on the helicopter.
I think the rest of the 815ers decided to stay on the island and - to avoid them being discovered/searched for - the Oceanic 6 have agreed to keep to this concocted story, which painted the heroine as Kate: the only person who really needed a heroic moment to help avoid jail time.
I just started watching Lost 2 weeks ago today and I am completely caught up (well, as much as you can be when living in the UK and having to rely on iTunes for the latest episodes! Utterly addicted and eagerly awaiting the next installment.
Comment by its_just_stephanie — February 24, 2008 @ 5:46 pm
What ever happened to the children the others stole in the second season?
Comment by scubasteve — February 24, 2008 @ 5:52 pm
hey scubeateve,
they are with “the others’ camp” — Cindy (flight attendant) appears to be taking care of them. They come and see Sawyer or Jack in the cages in the beginning of season three and ask about Anna Lucia…. also, they are seen in “The Brig” episode when Ben’s request for John Locke to kill his father turns into a public humilation in front of the others’ camp. I think we are supposed to believe they are happy with the others… or happily brainwashed? Did they experience a Room 23 type of subjection? Perhaps… they tried to get Walt to be happy there, though, and he was able to resist it…. but Cindy and the kids seem to be compliant with living with the others now.
It’s another loose end that needs to be resolved still….
Comment by lmz27 — February 24, 2008 @ 6:49 pm
This one’s for JDB. Minkowski is supposed to be the “head-honcho” for the freighters. He’s running the show on the ship with Regina second in command or at least from what we have been seeing. Minkowski is played by Fisher Stevens. I remember him in the Short Circuit movies. Funny guy then but now as Minkowski he’s supposed to very un-trustworthy. He may have direct orders from Abaddon. Another note to observe is that Minkowski back then around 1908 was the man who formulated a mathematically elegant way of reperesenting what is true from all inertial frames. Basically, he did space-time diagrams where time is represented as a fourth dimension perpendicular to the three dimensions of space. I think this may be why the name Minkowski may have been chosen for our mathmatician in the freighter….thoughts?
Comment by Franky — February 24, 2008 @ 7:16 pm
Correction - Sorry, for JDG***
Comment by Franky — February 24, 2008 @ 7:17 pm
I know this is SO minor compared to all the other things going on in this episode, but the one thing that stuck out to me was when the D.A. offered the deal, and how it seemed important that part of the deal was that Kate couldn’t leave the state (California I assume)…Kate’s lawyer made a point of saying how that had no relevance to her crimes, but the DA made a point of saying that Kate would have to stay put…did Abbadon’s group get to the DA? For what purpose?…it could be nothing, but it seems like nothing on this show is nothing…
this show screws with my head…and I love it.
Comment by CJB — February 24, 2008 @ 9:26 pm
Was there any significance to Faraday having trouble remembering the three cards?
I think this is to do with the Freighter Folks perception of the Islands abilities. Obviously, they have been told it does wonderous things, such as curing cancer and healing a paraplegic. So…they decide to test if they have any improved memory abilities. Thats all i have afraid, and i just dont buy the whole “remembering the future” idea that some people are throwing around.
Why is Kate taking care of Aaron? Is Aaron one of the Oceanic Six?
Kate is taking care of Aaron because something unspeakable is going to happen to Claire on island and it will probably be John Lockes fault. Doomed to be another Boone is young Claire.
I believe that Aaron is one of the Oceanic Six. Leaving Hurley, Sayid, Jack, Kate, Aaron and the man in the coffin from TTLG. Still dont think its Locke, nor Ben, so im saying Micheal Dawson.
How does Ben have access to millions and why does Miles want such a specific amount?
Im willing to bet my soul that Bens total amount of money on island is 3.2 million, and he’ll get it from the secret room Sayid found last episode. It is, however, a shame he is locked up under his house, coicidently where Locke found Cooper last season.
What happened to the helicopter?
Next episodes description says something about turbulance and side effects, and (theres some spoilers for next episode next so LOOK AWAY NOW) Faraday speaks to Jack about the concept of time in a sneak peak available at spoilerslost.blogspot.com.
The helicopter will arrive at the Freighter, but it will take longer than expected.
Comment by David Westray — February 25, 2008 @ 2:47 am
Why does Kate have Aaron?
Explanation 1: Jack kills Claire so she cannot access his fathers inheritance and they pass off Aaron as Kate’s so Aaron doesn’t get any inheritance.
Explanation 2, the more plausible one: Claire doesn’t die, she stays on the island by choice. She doesn’t have any money, job skills, housing, etc. in the real world as her family is all dead. She stays on the island because there is nothing for her in the real world. On the island she has friends and may or may not be able to communicate with her dead family via the powers of the island. She was giving Aaron up for adoption anyway before the crash, so giving him to Kate so he can have a better life in a real environment seems plausible.
Comment by mustafah — February 25, 2008 @ 6:38 am
During Kate’s trial in the last episode, Jack states that he is a suvivor of Oceanic flight 815 which crashed on a island. However, the tv coverage and report tell the public that searchers have found the plane at the bottom of the ocean.
Two dimensions and we are watching story lines from from seperate dimensions which somehow get interconnected?
Comment by JohnS — February 25, 2008 @ 8:37 am
JohnS: that’s certainly a possibility…. let’s think about the other alternative: it could be that it is a fake wreckage and at the time Naomi and the freighter four see that newscast, the world believes that to be real, but then when the Oceanic 6 return, it gets proven that the plane wreckage is fake. Then, the big scandal will be who faked the wreckage? Not Oceanic, bc they’d be out of business if a scandal like that ever got exposed (and we know they’re not bc Jack rides them every weekend as we learn in TTLG.) Whoever faked the wreckage has to be big and powerful, and it is probably the scandal of the century — imagine an organization either killing 324 people and sinking a plane!!! They’d be in all sorts of jail forever and ever.
It’s almost too big of a scandal to even happen — I feel like they’d be talking about it more in the future flashes or something, esp. in Eggtown flashes.
SO, your idea makes me think of Casimir effect stuff: What if the plane DUPLICATED itself — and there are two? Someone would still have a lot of explaining to do, though. I’m so fascinated about how they are going to explain how 324 bodies, and a plane, were found at the bottom of the sea.
Unless somehow the freighter four going to the island changes the past somehow — kind of Back to the Future-esque. Although Naomi did seem concerned when Abbaddon hired her that there would be survivors.. and he adamantly said there weren’t.
AHHH! I don’t know!!!!
We need one of those lists that outline “what we know” and “what we don’t know” so we can piece it all together.
Comment by Johns — February 25, 2008 @ 10:25 am
aaron does not have downs! really? come on its just a little kid trying to act like he’s asleep. desmond cant be one of the ocianic eight because he wasn’t on the plane to start with. i don’t think jack wants to see the kid because he feels guilty and we eventually see his guilt get the best of him at the end of season three. i don’t think kate really had a choice in taking aaron. something probably happened to claire (hopefully she doesnt die, but now that charlie is dead she doesnt have much of a story and you know what that means on lost) meaning kate was put in the situation where she felt responsible for aaron. and.. maybe people know that aarons not really kates baby. maybe they told the truth that his real mom died on the island (making her one the ocianic eight) and kate had to care for aaron. and thats why her lawyer wanted him in court because that is a pretty honorable thing to do. i dont know just some ramblings…..
Comment by gabby — February 25, 2008 @ 11:48 am
Gabby…I think we all now know that Aaron does not have down-syndrome. Why you keep bringing it up. It’s been dealt with. It’s been served.
Comment by Franky — February 25, 2008 @ 2:42 pm
This is just A WAY OUT wacked guess…..but could miles have demanded the exact sum of 3.2 million dollars in a few days because he has spoken with a dead spirit or two on the island and figured out that this is what Ben currently has available to give him…….I know, FAR OUT GUESS but just trying to keep it simple. Sometimes us lost fans may make things far too complicated!!
Comment by JDG — February 25, 2008 @ 2:53 pm
Check this out from Wickepedia under the mathmetician Hermann Minkowski’s work in the field. I don’t understand it all but it sure sounds like it has something to do with the island’s properties. This was listed under heading Minkowski then click on spacetime.
“In physics, spacetime is any mathematical model that combines space and time into a single construct called the space-time continuum. Spacetime is usually interpreted with space being three-dimensional and time playing the role of the fourth dimension. According to Euclidean space perception, the universe has three dimensions of space, and one dimension of time. By combining space and time into a single manifold, physicists have significantly simplified a large amount of physical theory, as well as described in a more uniform way the workings of the universe at both the supergalactic and subatomic levels.
In classical mechanics, the use of spacetime over Euclidean space is optional, as time is treated as a constant, being independent of mechanical motion in three dimensions (which matches reality at low speeds). In relativistic contexts, however, time cannot be separated from the three dimensions of space because it depends on an object’s velocity relative to the speed of light, and also the strength of intense gravitational fields which can slow the passage of time.”
Sounds like something interesting. THANKS FRANKY for leading me in the direction. All of a sudden names seem like such a big part of explaining the science of the island. I just wish I understood it all better!!!
Comment by JDG — February 25, 2008 @ 4:03 pm
i know i know its just silly..
Comment by gabby — February 25, 2008 @ 5:19 pm
maybe aaron is sawyer’s child kate may have been pregnant and she decided to name aaron. it could be the writers are just having fun to see what possible theories we are comming up with.
Comment by pjpuma — February 25, 2008 @ 9:20 pm
maybe aaron is sawyer’s son kate may have been pregnant after all and had the baby after the rescue we do not know how much time has actually passed. kate may have just liked the name aaron. the writters may just be having fun with us.
Comment by pj puma — February 25, 2008 @ 9:25 pm
Just thought this was rather interesting. Ben was born in the early 1960’s (as evidenced by the car that stopped to help at his birth) and his current age corresponds with that fact. If island time is going by slower than real time than why doesn’t he appear younger than he is? (the actor’s real age is 54) Also, why hasn’t Richard Alpert aged at all? When he first approached Ben in the 1970’s he looks exactly the same age as he does now. Meanwhile, the survivers have been on the island for 100 days, Michael and Walt have been off the island for lets just say 70 of those days and yet Walt in that time has aged a couple of years? Just how far slow does time move on the island and why the inconsistancies?
Personally, I also don’t think that Walk and Micheal are considered to be part of the Oceanic 6. Since they have been off the island for a while, I am gusessing they have already establised their lives again and are not part of some big “rescue” off the island (they might have alibies) I don’t think Aaron would be either since he was born on the island. .
Comment by Itsjustme — February 26, 2008 @ 11:13 am
I think the person in the casket is Michael.
Comment by stillguessing — February 26, 2008 @ 12:08 pm
It obviously seems that something “bad” “bad fortune” has hit all those who have left the island thus far so why not Michael who commits suicide. If anyone has a reason to kill himself (from excessive guilt over his abandonment of the “losties”, leading Jack, Sawyer, Kate, and Hurley into a trap for his own sake, and killing Anna Lucia and Libbey). So it is very probable that Michael and maybe Walt have fallen into poor fates as well. I agree with you STILLGUESSING and think “the persojn in the casket is Michael.” Plus, why would Kate show such disdain towards when Jack presented the article. To me it seems like he would be the most hated by the majority of tghe “losties.” But then again who the hell knows….it’s Lost and so much is going on I feel LOST!
Comment by JDG — February 26, 2008 @ 4:01 pm
I definitely think that Jack is AFRAID of Aaron. He didn’t want to see him because he now has some dark or evil powers due to the fact that he is not being raised by Claire. In the last season flash forward Kate said “I need to get back, he will be wondering where I am” If Aaron is with a babysitter why would she be so concerned that he will wonder where she is? Could it be because she is also AFRAID of him?
Comment by lovelost33 — February 26, 2008 @ 7:14 pm
I totally agree, I think its Michael in the coffin. It just seems like the signs point to him, but I could be wrong.
If he did commit suicide, I doubt it was over guilt over the murders he commited. He did those murders to be with Walt and saw them as justified. I would think the only thing that would cause him to commit suicide is if something happened to Walt and he was lost to Micheal through death, estrangement or returning to the island. Michael may have also been murdered and it was staged as a suicide.
Also, as a mother, I totally can see Kate wanting to get back to Aaron before he woke up (it seemed like they were meeting late at night to me) and noticed that mommy was gone. My daughter was so clingy at that age, she did not want me out of her sight for very long at all.
Comment by itsjustme — February 26, 2008 @ 9:41 pm
I really like this idea of Aaron being feared by the surviving Losties — maybe we will see that they were warned of something concerning Aaron and that Kate decided not to heed the warning and Jack doesn’t agree with Kate’s actions in ignoring the warning. To oversimplify, maybe it was revealed to them that if Aaron was raised by another it would be bad, but Kate couldn’t bear to leave him because Claire died or was incapacitated…. but Jack told Kate not to do it… she didn’t listen (what else is new) and it caused a rift in their relationship. Perhaps neither of them know whether or not the warning was accurate or not yet –
I just thought of something else. What if Claire decides to join the others (like Cindy and the kids) and Kate decides that Claire has crossed to the dark side and so she takes Aaron. Or maybe Kate has a vision that Claire’s affiliation with the Others will ultimately be bad for Aaron and the world at large, and so she takes him against Claire’s will but for the greater good. And so Jack is conflicted because he is not sure Kate did the right thing (kidnapping a baby from his mother, even if you think the mother isn’t a fit parent, is inherently a controversial thing. Jack may be torn up about whether Kate did a horrible thing or not. Plus, he may feel guilty that they could only rescue Aaron from the Others and not Claire.)
but we should re-watch the episode when Charlie has those weird dreams about angels and Aaron — didn’t he dream Claire in the image of Mary holding her baby? What does this mean in terms of the mythology of Aaron??
Anyway, my badly written two cents.
Comment by lmz27 — February 27, 2008 @ 8:41 am
Dont be so hard on yourself IMZ27…I thought it was well written. We should all be eagerly anticipating tomorrow’s show! By the way….how long can one hold a grenade in his mouth, without the pin, for?
Comment by JDG — February 27, 2008 @ 5:59 pm
I am pretty confident that Aaron is not one of the Oceanic Six. Someone above (jackemoe) mentioned about Penelope knowing about Charlie… I am pretty sure Jack said there we’re 7 survivors of the crash although there are only the Oceanic 6, I think Charlie would have been number 7.
Aaron was not on the manifest, so I don’t think he is one of the six. I think the 6 are: Kate, Jack, Sayid, Hurley, Sun, and Jinn.
Comment by CQ — March 2, 2008 @ 4:33 pm