The Great Lost Debate: Who Should Kate End Up With?
People who don’t watch Lost probably assume that all of the fans sit around talking about weird things like hatches, smoke monsters, numbers, and Others. They think that all we do is obsess over the mythology of the show, and that we spend our days looking for DVD easter eggs or hunting for online clues. Okay, I admit that some of us do indulge in those things on a daily basis, but there’s more to Lost fandom than analyzing the deeper meanings behind the series. There’s another great, controversial discussion that rages through the households of Lost fans everywhere: which man should Kate end up with? Jack or Sawyer? I have a feeling that the great "Jater" versus "Skater" debate will explode when Lost returns at the end of the month, so it’s time to ponder which man is really the best for our favorite bad girl.
The camp who believe that Jack and Kate belong together call themselves Jaters, and they seem to be in the minority. However, it’s easy to see where they’re coming from. Jack and Kate have had a connection since the pilot episode of the series, and as time has passed it’s become fairly obvious that Jack has fallen in love with her. There’s also the fact that Kate is a bit of a con artist who is known for robbing banks and blowing up buildings, while Jack is, usually, a relatively stable guy. He’d obviously be a strong, positive influence on her, and if they ever ended up together Kate might find herself feeling comfortable with the notion of settling down.
The Skaters are devoted to the Kate and Sawyer pairing, and they can be a rather rabid bunch. There’s no denying the power of the love/hate animal attraction that Kate and Sawyer share, which culminated in a sexy tryst in a polar bear cage in season 3. The duo has amazing chemistry. I think one reason that so many people find "Skate" appealing is due to the fact that Kate brings out Sawyer’s softer, more heartfelt side. There’s nothing quite like a bad boy with a heart of gold.
I’ll admit, I normally avoid thinking too much about who should end up with who on the various shows I watch. I usually just go with the flow and am happy to wait and see what the writers have planned. However, in the case of Lost I truly believe that it’s Kate and Sawyer who should end up together. Their chemistry is fantastic, they bring out different strengths in one another, and they just look damn attractive together. I also have trouble believing that Kate could make it work long term with a nice guy like Jack, no matter how much she wanted to. We already saw what happened with her marriage to Kevin, and no matter how much she’s changed on the island I think she’d suffer the same fate with Jack.
However, that’s just my opinion. What do you guys think? Does Kate need a nice, stable doctor, or is she destined to be with a bad boy con artist?
kate and sawyer. that’d be perfect. two completely dysfunctional individuals with amazingly deep seeded psychological wounds, the majority of which they are hardly aware. They can have a nice dysfunctional, co-dependent relationship. Then, 10 years and 2 kids later they can have a nasty divorce and put their kids through hell.
Sounds like a winner… where’s Jack Doneghy?
Comment by peter — January 10, 2008 @ 1:58 pm
wow peter you got a point, u know what… NOBODY CARES WHAT YOU THINK!!!
Comment by morty — January 10, 2008 @ 2:14 pm
sorry bout that pete that was immature and kinda harsh
Comment by morty — January 10, 2008 @ 2:17 pm
signed… my mom
Comment by morty — January 10, 2008 @ 2:18 pm
Actually, I really don’t care about the love triangle anymore. I’m getting sick and tired of it. That’s one of the least things I care about on the show now.
Comment by sk8rpro — January 10, 2008 @ 2:33 pm
i think sawyer’s gonna die at some point, and i’m pretty sure jack and kate won’t end up together judging by the flash foward. but yeah, that whole triangle has been sorta played out and likely used for filler.
with shortened seasons, i believe they are getting rid of filler
Comment by South_park300 — January 10, 2008 @ 2:53 pm
Jack and Kate wind up together when they eventually return to the island. They are the Adam and Eve skeletons in the cave. No doubt.
Comment by steeeeve — January 10, 2008 @ 3:13 pm
morty,
tell the truth now, your mom married Sawyer, didn’t she?
Comment by peter — January 10, 2008 @ 3:14 pm
I’m sorry to imform the above person that SAWYER is in fact a fictional character and is actually played by an actor called josh holloway…
by the way, the tooth fairy and santa are also bogus.
Comment by morty — January 10, 2008 @ 4:37 pm
I agree steeeeeve… I’ve always believed the losties are the original inhabitants.. the “hostiles”.. whatever.. and after rewatching the first three seasons.. I believe it even more.. Kate even says after finding the caves.. “I don’t want to be Eve”
Comment by Matt S. — January 10, 2008 @ 4:47 pm
Don’t we already know that Jack and Kate don’t end up together? I personally want to see a Jater thing but the flashforward made it seem like Kate has someone else. Someone not named Sawyer though, or James Ford for that matter. If she ends up with neither I’m gonna be so pissed.
Comment by Jimbo08lak — January 10, 2008 @ 6:03 pm
Kate wont end up with Jack that is for sure. They are becoming a lot like brothers and sister, and in a (lovingly manner) , they are too alike. Kate and Sawyer will end up together or no one will end up together, everone single…anyway this is one of the stupidest topics ive seen so far, but i was bored
http://www.docarzt.com is awesome
Comment by haleluya — January 10, 2008 @ 7:21 pm
Jimbo,
We DON”T know that Jack and Kate won’t end up together. We saw them in the future, but that doesn’t mean that is the end of their experiences together. They could still get together after those events. So all we DO know is they don’t end up together during their current time on the island.
Thank you, come again.
Comment by Dr. Nope — January 10, 2008 @ 10:17 pm
Don, please email me using the email that I’m signed up in here with. I have a question for you.
Thanks a lot!
Comment by Gary — January 11, 2008 @ 12:44 am
i agree with haleluya, and its pretty obvious in TTLG with the way jack says “i love you” to kate, after he defends sawyer like a good friend or brother would do, and i just can’t see sawyer ending up with kate no matter how much it could make sense… does it feel like sawyer will die soon to anyone else?… its just one of those feelings, you know…
Comment by mr dave — January 11, 2008 @ 3:20 am
I think Kate will end up with Mr. Friendly’s corpse. Didn’t she seem kind of sad when he told her “you’re not my type?” Now that he’s dead, she can finally move in and enjoy her time with Tom’s sandy, bloody, carcass.
Thoughts?
Comment by theonefin — January 11, 2008 @ 5:48 am
Kate and Sawyer should end up together. They are the most compatiable and both Evangeline and Josh bring that love and devotion out in their acting. I would have them end up together in the end.
Comment by Kareem — January 11, 2008 @ 6:39 am
Guess I’m one of the few people that still want to see Jack and Kate. Kate liked him too at least at one point (she may still, who knows). I forget which episode, but she asks what Jack is thinking right now and he starts rambling about the caves when he shoulda said, I’m thinking about what you look like naked. Sure, I love Sawyer and his antics, but he wants to be messed up and he just wants people to feel sorry for him, he doesn’t actually want any ype of companion, he wants a mother figure. My 2 cents.
Comment by Chainsaw — January 11, 2008 @ 7:03 am
What’s important to keep in mind here is that the flash forward we saw on the season 3 finale was NOT the end of the show. So you can’t really base who Kate winds up with on that flash forward. When she says to Jack “I have to get back, he’s going to be wondering where I am.” I’m not so sure she’s referring to her boyfriend/husband… I think she’s referring to her kid. I think we’ll find out Kate is pregnant with Sawyer’s kid in early season 4. Also keep in mind that when they do return home that they may be coming back to some sort of alternate reality. I still can’t figure out why she wouldn’t be in prison. My guess is that’s why she’s so hesitant about going back to the island.
Comment by steeeeve — January 11, 2008 @ 7:43 am
The answer is: Kate will not end up with EITHER Jack or Sawyer. Kate is pregnant. She was pregnant before she ever landed on the island. The father is someone who has appeared in flashbacks.
Not only that, she is pregnant with twin boys. At least one of the twins, possibly both, have a distinctive genetic deformity, namely, four toes. This, and the solution to the Valenzetti Equation, will be the two big revelations in upcoming episodes, but both can be deduced from clues that are already available.
Comment by Thomas Hobbes — January 11, 2008 @ 8:07 am
steeve,
i like ur idea of kate and jack being the skeletons in the cave, how do u think that would work? time travel?
Comment by stu — January 11, 2008 @ 9:45 am
Stu-Steeeve is absolutely right. Jack and Kate are Adam and Eve. You can figure out how this works out if you can deduce the solution to the Valenzetti Equation, which you can.
Comment by Thomas Hobbes — January 11, 2008 @ 10:51 am
i love how morty can post 3 times in 3 minutes and I post once in a day and i get an error message saying im posting too many times? like that makes sense!
Comment by justin — January 11, 2008 @ 11:34 am
Kate is not pregnant. Sure she has a kid, but it’s Aaron, cus Claire never makes it off the island.
Comment by Chainsaw — January 11, 2008 @ 11:43 am
justin….I hadn’t posted in 6 months and it told me i was posting too much
Comment by Thom — January 11, 2008 @ 12:06 pm
hey justin, your right, other people have had that problem aswell but for some reason it has never happened to me… what is up with the universe?
Comment by morty — January 11, 2008 @ 12:27 pm
Steeeeve is right (and why all the e’s btw??) in that the flash forward is NOT the end of the show. For those interested though, TV Guide posted the spoiler that Kate’s mysterious “I have to get back, he’ll be wondering where I am” someone that she spoke of can be figured out if you can deduce the following asterisks:
her someone is “somebody *** *** ** *** *****, *** ****’* *****A******.
I think its “who was on the plane and hasn’t been..” but I can’t figure out the last word. Anyone?????
FWIW- I cannot bear it if she ends up with Jack. Jack would never accept her as she is, he would expect her to change. Right now, she doesn’t think she is good enough for Jack, but I do beleive that through her love, and his love for her, that Sawyer’s ultimate redemption will come and I hope that Darlton sees fir to reward that with ‘Skate’ receiving a happy ending. Those two complete one another.
Comment by Shane Rae — January 11, 2008 @ 2:09 pm
Your stars are:
someone “who was on the plane, but didn’t have (or have could be need) a ticket”
Which points directly to aaron, or maybe THE PILOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Don Walters — January 11, 2008 @ 2:59 pm
Don Walters, I dont know if you missed it, but the pilot is dead.
Comment by Justin — January 11, 2008 @ 3:35 pm
steeeeve: I agree completely. That’s been my theory for along time now (that Adam and Eve are Jack and Kate)… and with the introduction of Desmond’s flashes and potential time-travel last year, I really think that’s the case. Cuse and Lindeloff said early on that by the time we reach the end of the show we will have proof that they had the story in mind since the first few episodes. When Jack and Kate and Charlie and Locke find Adam and Eve, in like Season 1, episode three or so, Jack pulls two stones (a black one and a white one) out of a small bag in the pocket of Adam. He puts the stones back in the bag and places the bag in his own pocket….
Comment by william — January 11, 2008 @ 3:56 pm
hey Don Walters, it’s neither of those, the answer to that (in my opinion, and all my opinions are fact) is Vincent, he was on the plane, but had no ticket
woof woof
Comment by morty — January 11, 2008 @ 4:30 pm
William-You are right that Jack is Adam. But if Jack got the stones from Adam, and Adam got the stones from Jack-Where did the stones come from in the first place?
Comment by Thomas Hobbes — January 11, 2008 @ 5:05 pm
Kate ends up with Hurley. I know that sounds totally crazy, but in a way it makes a lot of sense. If Hurley ends up off the island along with Jack but not Sawyer, then per elimination, Hurley is the likeliest candidate.
Comment by Chris Knight — January 12, 2008 @ 6:06 am
Thomas there is no way Kate was pregnant before she got on the island. It’s impossible seen’s as they have been on the island for 91 days and she has not gained a pound.
Comment by Jimbo08lak — January 12, 2008 @ 5:16 pm
Jimbo-Kate most certainly is pregnant. The hints are all around you. Ben clearly thinks that this is a real possibility and he thinks that the possibility is IMPORTANT (which it is!). And, have you forgotten that knowing look that Kate gave Sun when Kate handed her the home pregnancy test and asked, rhetorically, “WHO would bring a home pregnancy test on an airplane?” Moreover, if Don’s interpretation of the TV guide spoiler is correct, the “him” to whom Kate must return in the flash forward is “Someone who was on the plane but didn’t need (or have) a ticket. This would fit Kate’s child(ren) who were unborn at the time flight 815.
As far as Kate not gaining a pound, remember that she has been on an Island for 91 days, and, thus, on a calorie restricted diet (ever notice the emaciated condition of the contestants on Survivor toward the end of the season?)She has been very physically active and under, shall we say, a good deal of stress. Besides, I am no expert on this (having never been pregnant myself), but I am told that women often don’t begin to show until the 4th month, which would be well into season 5 at the rate LOST is going.
Trust me on this: Kate is pregnant. She will have twins. They will be boys. You could even guess their names and figure out the identity of the father from the available information.
Comment by Thomas Hobbes — January 12, 2008 @ 10:05 pm
Thomas everything you said made sense except for 1 thin, she is showng no signs of pegnancy… no nausia, no lack of sleep, she climbs trees with ease (i know, it ryhmes), she’s been there for approximatly 3 months, she would have a slight bump by now… sorry but your theory makes no sense
Comment by morty — January 13, 2008 @ 9:08 pm
FYI, pregnant people’s stomach get bigger cuz there is a person in them, running around and eating healthy aint gonna stop that bump from showing.
Comment by morty — January 13, 2008 @ 9:10 pm
Kate does not end up with Jack nor with Sawyer,for the reasons errbody has stated in previous postings. She probably ends up with Kevin. From the flashforward “he” Kate refers to might be him, the need to go home quickly, the trust issues from her previous actions etc lead me to think it might be Kev…just a thought.
Also ya’ll need to stop hating on the shippers and the love triangle, just appreciate Lost for the fact that it has a little something for errbody!
Comment by Sbujero — January 14, 2008 @ 12:44 am
I think I may be the only person who doesn’t think Kate should end up with either one of them. Both Kate and Sawyer have so many emotional issues they haven’t even begun to deal with that neither one of them could possibly be any good in a relationship.
I mean, Sawyer reminds Kate of the father she murdered, for crying out loud. There’s absolutely nothing sweet about that relationship.
Comment by Robert — January 14, 2008 @ 8:18 am
Thanks everyone for their help with the TV Guide spoiler…someone who didn’t need or have a ticket…….good idea….if the marshall were not dead, I would say its him! LOL!
Yes Greg Gunberg did die whoever pointed that out…..so its not the pilot if your solution is the right one….Damn TV Guide and their asterisks!!!!
BTW…although Robert is right, someone who was a blend of both Sawyer and Jack would probably be the ultimate person for Kate, I still root for Sawyer!
Now…..who the hell is the person that TV Guide is alluding to…they said that it was a jaw dropper….
Comment by shanerae — January 14, 2008 @ 11:47 am
Morty-Again, I don’t pretend to be an expert on this stuff, but, if the mother is undernourished and stressed, the baby will also grow less and more slowly (fetuses don’t order out for pizza, they get nourishment from mommy!). Pregnant women exercise vigorously all the time, but they are generally warned that high intensity or high volumes of exercise (climbing walls, running through jungles, hooking up with ex-con men in animal cages)will slow fetal development
Besides, how do you KNOW she’s not showing by now, not even a little bit? The last people to see her naked were Tom and Sawyer (and Jack, via-no pun indtended-live video hook-up), and that was a several days ago, island time.
Comment by Thomas Hobber — January 14, 2008 @ 12:14 pm
Thomas Hobber is right…..and also remember that she would either have gotten pregnant during the cage romp (their first time) or after they returned to camp (either the time we saw, post-Jack-Juliet-spoon incident) or ostensibly another time that we did not see. Either of them would be within the last very few days, island time, and unless its a bionic baby, she would not be showing ANYthing yet. She might not even be feeling sick.
Comment by Shanerae — January 14, 2008 @ 12:27 pm
I’m sorry Thomas but listen carefully, when we saw her naked, it was the 3rd month (island time), her stomach wasn’t bloated at all, pregnant people’s stomach begin expanding in the 2 and a half month time period, it doesn’t matter if she’s doin it with sawyer, that baby will still show, if your pregnant, u don’t have periods, so by now kate would have taken a pregnancy test to see if she was pregnant, if she found out she was she wouldn’t go running around the jungle climbing trees, she’d AT LEAST, take it a bit easy and show small signs of wanting to rest… dude your making no sense and another thing, Juliet is a fertility doctor, she would notice signs of kate’s pregnancy from the beginning and she wouldn’t allow the others to make a pregnant woman swing a pickaxe if she knew they could be using her as an experiment…
Comment by Morty — January 14, 2008 @ 12:35 pm
I dunno, i think if Kate is preggers then it’s probably from bumpin uglies with Sawyer. (I know, it sounds sooo romantic that way). There was a little bit of foreshadowing in the season 3 finale and Sawyer was not psyched with the idea. But if she’s not I do like the idea of it being Aaron. Either way, i think she’s referring to a child and not a boyfriend/husband. But jeez, I’m all over the place because if they do go back to a reality where Jack’s dad is still alive and Kate’s not a convict then who knows what her reality is?
And in response to why there’s so many “eeeee’s” in my name… well, it is my real name (minus the eeee’s) but there was a character they used to mention named steve on the island and I feel like that’s kind of how they said the name.
Comment by steeeeve — January 14, 2008 @ 2:13 pm
Wow, Morty, you sure do make a lot of assumptions. I am told by people who should know (women) that pregnant ladies do not start showing until the FOURTH month, which would be 90-120 days in. As far a taking a pregnancy test, Kate can’t just run down to the corner drug store and pick up a kit. She gave the only pregnancy test that was on the island (as far as we know) to Sun.
And, even if she knows that she is pregnant (which, incidentally, she does)she doesn’t have a lot of choice about climbing trees, etc. What’s she going to do when the smoke monster is chasing her? Stand there and let it tear her (and her unborn sons) apart?
Finally, as to Juliet, you assume again that Kate is showing, and that Juliet has had an opportunity to see Kate unclothed. Moreover, even if Juliet knows that Kate is great with child, your statement that Julie wouldn’t let others force Kate into heavy work assumes (1) that Juliet values keeping Kate and her kids healthy and (2) that Juliet has the power to stop her cohorts from forcing Kate to do the work. The jury is still out on Juliet, and, even if she is loyal to the survivors, she might want Kate out of the way anyway (gives her an unobstructed shot at Good Doctor Shepard!)
By the way, its Hobbes, not Hobber sorry for the typo in the last post!
Comment by Thomas Hobbes — January 14, 2008 @ 3:16 pm
At first I was a big Jater fan…because at first I hated Sawyer…but now that I see the chemistry and that Sawyer is more funny than a jerk I think I know switch to a Skater!! And as much as I love Jack no matter how much of a jerk I thought he was acting like towards the end of season 3, Sawyer and Kate would make it better…and did anyone remember the finale of season 3 in the flash forward of Jack and Kate where she says “He’s gonna wonder where I am”…I think she was talking about Sawyer!
Comment by Angela — January 14, 2008 @ 5:14 pm
u missunderstood me Thomas, i meant that Juliet is a fertility doctor, she would be able to notice if somone is pregnant with or without their tops on (That’s why she was sent by Ben to see if any of them are expecting), if she noticed this she would tell Ben, and they would use her as an experiment like they did Claire…
And speaking about assumptions, how r u so sure she has twins?
Comment by morty — January 14, 2008 @ 6:12 pm
Morty-I didn’t know that “fertility doctors” could tell that a fully clothed woman in her first trimester is pregnant just by looking. On every medical show that I’ve seen, the doc has the woman disrobe, performs some examinations and does a urine test. If the docs can tell just by looking, why go to all that trouble?
As to the twins, that is a long story. It begins with the solution to the Valenzetti Equation (which, along with Kate’s pregnancy, with be one of the major revelations of the series).
As Sherlock Holmes said to Watson concerning the “Giant Rat of Sumatra,” this is a story for which the World is not yet ready.
Comment by Thomas Hobbes — January 14, 2008 @ 6:26 pm
I think the “Kate is/is not showing” argument is a little bit of a stretch guys. She didn’t show up pregnant. If she is pregnant it’s because she got knocked up on the island.
Comment by steeeeve — January 15, 2008 @ 11:59 am
hey steeeeve i totally believe sh could be pregnan now, I just don’t believe she was pregnant on the plane is all… Thomas u know I’m right
Comment by morty — January 15, 2008 @ 12:29 pm
Morty…. Agreed.
Comment by steeeeve — January 15, 2008 @ 9:54 pm
The love triangle has become a big bore fest to me. It has made Kate seem like an emotionally unbalanced stereotypical woman. I also don’t think Jack deserves sloppy seconds.I see no romance in him getting Kate after Sawyer turns his back on her.I personally hope they squash this crap, at least for awhile.
Comment by Janie — January 16, 2008 @ 5:47 am
Ok. If Kate was pregnant before they crashed on the island then why would she drink alcohol with Sawyer when they were in the jungle playing “I never?”
Comment by Juliana — January 28, 2008 @ 11:19 pm
Well, she might not have known she was pregnant at the time.
If she was pregnant, who was the father? It seemed that she wasn’t pregnant
after she took the test at her home with Kevin and she left him
right after. Was she having a baby Marshall?
Well, I think she’s carrying a baby Ford. (A pinto? Ha! Heh? Sorry.)
Comment by Deneph — January 30, 2008 @ 6:58 pm
I think I have to go with the Kate/Jack scenario. Not because Kate doesn’t have the hots for Sawyer from time to time, but I see her as a person that always wants to be involved in what’s going on. And what’s going on is Jack forming a close relationship with Juliet, so Kate is going to want to be involved in that as well. She’s also a tad opportunistic and might see this as her last chance to score “the prince” instead of the “frog”. I say we call up the DHARMA Initiative folks and have them fly in a plastic wading pool, 2 string bikinis and 100 cubic feet of jello and let Kate and Juliet solve this quadrangle once and for all…the fun way! Talk about some quality television! }:o)
Comment by Scott not Steve — February 1, 2008 @ 1:01 am
interesting theory, but I don´t know, yees, i love idea of Jack and Kate in caves as Adam and Eve, Lost is for now absolutely scifi, so it is possible, I know, that S. and K. have chemistry, but I was fan of Jack and Kate since the beginning and I will be fan of their relationship till the very end!!! And Adam and Eve wasn´t couple, I think, they were first people on the world.
Comment by zdenka — May 7, 2008 @ 6:48 pm
Jack and Kate are Adam and Eve, even Locke knows it! You should watch their last conversation in Orchid again! I don´t want another Sawyer and Kate sex! No. This was big shock, when Kate slept with him, I don´t like Sawyer, why writers!!! Why!
Stupid love triangle.
Comment by katie01 — July 17, 2008 @ 6:20 pm