Lost Producers Give some big Season 4 hints
Sci-Fi Wire has published some quotes from Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof, curiously dubbing them ‘leaks,’ but what ever. A few nice bits of brain fuel were dropped in the article amongst a lot of mundane things we already knew. The piece was clearly targeted at the mainstream and not us hard core Lost Geeks.
One comment from Cuse in particular was very interesting: "Yes, we do know how Jacob will be depicted. Notice the careful wording of my answer. And no, Jacob did not appear before he was met by Locke."
Now, if you have listened to the ABC Podcast, and I know you have, you know that Carlton is usage aficionado, so when he highlights his wording, it means something. So the key word here is ‘Depict,’ and if you look at your dictionary you will see that depict without the fuzzy morphism that makes English such a cool language means specifically to be presented in a painting, image, or words. So if we pay attention to Carlton’s words as he requests, he is telling us that we will see an image of Jacob this season. Or not. But that’s my theory and I’m sticking to it.
Carlton also revealed a bit about the nature of the flashforwards. While some people are saying the LOST flashforwards will present sort of a mini-series within the series, Cuse indicates figuring out if we are watching flash forward or flash back is part of the fun. "Moving forwards, you’ll get a mix. Every week will hopefully be a guessing game as to not just WHO will be focused on, but WHEN we’re focusing on them." Cuse said.
Lindelof may have dropped a clue that accents what the central theme of season 4 might be. "The reverberation of that death echoes right into the premiere of season four," Lindelof Said, regarding Charlie’s death. This is, again, interesting usage since we know that Charlie did not die when he was ‘destined’ to die, but at a time that was certainly either more beneficial, or more damaging to the castaways.
Charlie’s averted death set into action massive events that would not have occurred had he died when he was originally intended. Had Charlie drown saving Claire, Naomi would have never been found, brought back to camp, and been able to call in her people. So much for course correction tidying things up.
Oh, and at the end of the article, a statement which runs contrary to time slot rumor. "The fourth season of Lost starts Feb. 6, 2008."
source: Sci-Fi Wire
"Yes, we do know how Jacob will be depicted. Notice the careful wording of my answer."
A more natural way to tease about Jacob would be to mention what actor will be playing him. But Cuse’s wording carefully avoids mentioning any actor playing Jacob. Cuse only says that Jacob will be "depicted." My guess based on this is that Jacob will not be manifest as a person in Season 4. If not a person, how will Jacob be depicted? I have no idea. Smoke monster certainly comes to mind though.
Comment by Peter — October 1, 2007 @ 9:53 am
Another implication of "depiction" is of the subject matter being explored being substantially different from the way shown, which may reflect only a limited facet of said subject matter.
Comment by Richard Lennox — October 1, 2007 @ 10:03 am
I think the word ‘reverberated’ was also an intersting choice of a word….this is from dictionary.com
Reverberation
1. A reechoed Sound.
2.The Fact of something being reverberated or reflected.
3. An act or instance of reverberating
4.Physics. The persistance of a sound after it’s source has been stopped, caused by multiple reflection of the sound with in a closed space. (this is the most interesting given desmond’s flashes)
5.The act or process subjecting something to reflected heat
…I just have this feeling that Charlie’s death will come back to completely, even on a physical level, haunt them all!
Comment by IslandPolarbear — October 1, 2007 @ 11:41 am
I read that somewhere else earlier and that is very interesting. I suspect that depicted means that we will not necessarily see an actor playing Jacob in a live role. It may be in flashbacks or flashforwards, or just in pictures.
What I found interesting is how they go on to say that "Jacob did not appear before Locke saw him." On face value that could mean that we did not see Jacob until Locke did, but one could read deeper into it if one was so inclined.
"Depict" could also mean that we don’t see Jacob but hear him or something like that. Or maybe we just get a description of him. Very interesting tidbit.
Comment by Eric — October 1, 2007 @ 11:42 am
I tend to agree with what most are saying about jabcob. I wonder what there plan is to explain Malcom David Kellys AKA Walts growing up is going to be.
Comment by steve — October 1, 2007 @ 11:50 am
Maybe this is obvious, maybe it’s not, but here’s my take. "Jacob did not appear before he was met by Locke" means that no one currently on the island has ever seen Jacob, except now, Locke. For whatever reason, the others know about Jacob through Ben. Not sure how Ben knows about him, but realizes he’s important. It’s not the fact that Jacob said "Help Me," but that he showed up at all, cus Ben has never seen him or has made sure no one else will ever see him. Either way, I’m so excited for the new season, that will never be here……. : (
Comment by Don Walters — October 1, 2007 @ 2:18 pm
as to the walt’s growth being addressed–
i say that he’s projecting himself through time. anyone?
Comment by ackermaniv — October 1, 2007 @ 2:58 pm
i think the whole "jacob didnt appear before…" was in reference to past episodes, ie in the background, or in a photo like brother campbell & ms hawking. ben seemed to adament about seeing jacob in the cabin, then again he IS ben. but I still think it was a comment about we the viewers, not neccissarily the folks on the island, although it should be a given that jacob (at least his ‘human form’) hasn’t been seen by many people currently on-island… after all he only speaks to ben so why would he reveal himself to others…
Comment by bohemus — October 1, 2007 @ 3:09 pm
YES THANK GOD!!!!!!! FEB. 6 2008 WEDNESDAY I LOVE DAMEON AND CARLTON THEY ARE MY HEROES!
Comment by lost815 — October 1, 2007 @ 3:57 pm
I think the whole Walt thing means that he will only appear in flashforwards now…..maybe that goes for Michael as well…..=(
Although they’re making Harold a series regular which means he has to appear in a lot of episodes rather than just a few episodes of the season.
Comment by Muscle Bob Buff Pants — October 1, 2007 @ 4:06 pm
I’m not so certain that Charlie hasn’t died previously to the Season 3 Finale.
I was rewatching the Season 2 Finale yesterday, hunting for clues to support the Time Loop Theory. Anyway, there was something interesting that I noticed. When Desmond turned the key below the Swan Station, the sky lit up, the earth shook, and a blaring noise belted out. While this happened, they showed Jack, Kate, Sawyer, and the others experiencing it. They showed the Losties on the beach experiencing it. But they never showed Desmond, Locke, Eko, or Charlie experience it.
They also never showed any of them escape the Swan Station. Earlier in that episode, convinced by what Yemi told him in a dream, Eko told Charlie, while trying to recruit his help, that if they don’t enter the #’s into the computer, he was <b>certain</b> that everyone on the island would die in 90 minutes.
Now, we know can guess that Desmond died when he turned the key, or better yet, was sent back in time and then back to the island just after, where he woke up naked.
Locke woke up in the forest, to see Desmond running by naked. But when he tried to speak… nothing. Another anomaly. Charlie then verifies that Locke (and by association, Desmond,) have been gone for a whole day since the detonation.
Eko of course, gets captured by a polar bear, when he is born again. And is only saved after Boone tells Locke in the sweat hut, to go help him, after that weird walk through the Sydney Airport.
But Charlie, Charlie was the only one to reappear in the Season 2 Finale after the implosion of the hatch. And when asked by Claire where Eko and Locke where, he responded with "they’re not back yet?" Why would he have expected them back already, if he too, wasn’t living through this again, after a death.
I know the creators of the show have said that once they show people die on the island, they want to stay true to that, and that they are permanently dead. But, Charlie didn’t actually die on the island, he died in that under water station. So that might be the loophole around him being dead… again.
But back to what Eko said about everyone dying if the #’s aren’t entered. It’s very possible everyone on the island died right then. Along with having died in the plane crash, as Naomi hinted at. As well as many times before.
Comment by LJ — October 1, 2007 @ 4:30 pm
The time loop theory is definately not what Damon and Carlton are thinking about. I guarantee it. You know what? I bet you and DocArzt 100 bucks that in May 2010 when we find out what was really going on, it will have absolutely nothing to do with time loops, wormholes, or anything of the sort.
Comment by Bchova — October 1, 2007 @ 6:57 pm
NICE …
Comment by NYNY173 — October 1, 2007 @ 7:03 pm
I have to agree with Bchova. The producers have long said that the answers to the big questions (like the monster and where they are, etc) are “grounded in a scientific reality” and while this, yes, means that time looping and such are “scientifically real” enough to use as an answer I would doubt that JJ and Damon really developed that idea when they made the show.
It’s far too much of a cop-out for JJ’s tastes and let’s not forget that having the answer to everything be something like “yeah, the island is a time loop, you’re actually all dead…you’ve actually all died multiple times” would make have the audience go “WTF?” and the other half would scream murder and treason. If they’re gonna end it with time loop theory they might as well end it with 10 seconds of black and a song from Journey.
cheers,
Locke
Comment by John — October 1, 2007 @ 10:14 pm
Re: John and Bchova…I agree that the time-loop things slim. But then again, when you’re talking about what JJ would’ve come up with…take a look at Season 5 ALIAS. It was a total fantasy-fest of people dying, coming back to life, ghosts, clones, unbeliebable gadgets….just nonsense. So….anything’s possible with that guy.
Comment by Michael Dobrofsky — October 1, 2007 @ 10:56 pm
I wonder if anyone caught the Easter Egg in the second episode of the new ABC show "Chuck". In one scene Chuck, who had the entire NSA database downloaded into his brain, is artificially stimulated to experience his new knowlege. He begins to rapidly ramble partial statements about CIA and NSA secrets. One of his rapidly spoken lines is "Oceanic Flight 815 was shot down by….." and then he begins another statement. I thought this was an interesting way for ABC to keep Lost alive in viewer’s minds.
Comment by dbuer — October 1, 2007 @ 11:13 pm
I also saw that on Chuck and could only make out "Flight 815 was shot down by…" But lostpedia caught the whole statement with closed captioning:
"Oceanic flight 815 was shot down by a surface-to-air missle…".
That is an odd statement, maybe it is planted intel by the others, or a 2nd decoy plane that Naomi spoke of was actually shot down, or the whole time loop theory. This is all assuming that the sentence was not totally made up by NBC…
Comment by 1miletogo — October 2, 2007 @ 3:45 am
You say that "Had Charlie drown [sic] saving Claire, Naomi would have never been found, brought back to camp, and been able to call in her people.", but how can you be so sure?
What’s to say that the nature of Naomi’s arrival on the island was not the universe’s way of compensating for Charlie staying alive? Is it not possible that if Charlie had died saving Claire, that Naomi’s parachute wouldn’t just have landed straight into the camp?
Comment by Adam — October 2, 2007 @ 4:45 am
I think we now know what 6 means in the promo. Private Practice will be off the air by then. Though I wonder how they will retool Wed Nights. Pushing Daisies and DSM don’t go exactly well with Lost. But maaybe that’s the point: to not have too much seriousness/thrillers all in one night. Invasion and The Nine were great companions, but it made for a very intense evening of TV.
Comment by downthehatch — October 2, 2007 @ 1:24 pm
THE CAP10 IS BACK! Anyway, real interesting Charlie angle from LJ. Also, the surface to air missile is worth pondering the next couple of months. Perhaps some NSA peeps did not want that plane to get to wherever it was going. Or perhaps they wanted the plane to end up right where it did. And of course perhaps the writers are just fans of LOST who wanted to give a shout out. Also, I really like ackermaniv’s idea that Walt is (when Locke sees him) and will be projecting himself from the future…
Comment by cap10tripps — October 3, 2007 @ 9:24 pm
Hi peeps, I was rewatching season 1 and couldnt believe my eyes when i recognised the pilot as the cop in Heroes,
What a cool connection.
Dave
Bolton, UK
Comment by davemx — October 4, 2007 @ 5:10 am
Doc adam is right you cant be so sure Naomi the only thing we no for sure desmond changed was when charlie was suppose to die. We dont no had desmond not changed that Naomi would not have landed on the island.
Comment by steve — October 6, 2007 @ 1:30 pm
Doc adam is right you cant be so sure Naomi would not have been found. The only thing we can denfinalty say for sure desmond changed was when charlie was suppose to die. We dont no had desmond not changed that Naomi would not have landed on the island.
Comment by steve — October 6, 2007 @ 1:31 pm
I think, in my first post here, that we have to look at the word depict in terms of who has seen Jacob…Locke. It’s long been my contention, as well as others, that Locke is easily played/conned, and therefore is being played by the island. In my opinion, the island, or more correctly smokie, is alive.
If the island/smokie conned Locke into seeing Jacob, it’s either the island’s depiction of Jacob or Locke’s own depiction of what Jacob would be. In other words, it’s all in Locke’s mind.
This also could explain why when Locke saw Jacob and we all went back and froze the frames, the image of Jacob seemed to resemble Locke himself with hair. So again, IMO, Locke sees Jacob as part of himself. Since Jacob was depicted by Ben as the one who makes decisions on the island for the others to the benefit of the island as a whole, we could assume Locke sees himself as the 1 true person who holds the island’s benefit. In other words, Locke sees himslef as the islands true voice…or maybe even savior and protector.
IMO
Comment by rbrog77 — October 9, 2007 @ 9:03 am
They should get BOB from twin peaks
to play Jacob!
that would be a bit tasty!
Comment by paul — October 22, 2007 @ 12:16 pm
Scrap that, he died 12 yrs ago!
is the midget still around i wonder?
Comment by Paul — October 22, 2007 @ 12:40 pm
The one thing that I don’t understand is I keep reading that everyone is saying that Locke “saw” Jacob……Locke never saw anything except Ben acting crazy and a bunch of stuff flying around the room. Locke didn’t think Jacob was real until Ben shot him, he thought that it was Ben putting on a show for him. “You’re a fraud and it’s about time that your people were told the truth.”
I think for the depict comment, I don’t think that we’ll see Jacob this season, I think that we will hear people talking about him and perhaps explain his part on the island a little more, but unfortunately, that’s it. Just my thought though.
Comment by Tom — November 19, 2007 @ 10:23 pm
I think what people say about timeloops and those things is wrong cuz it was reveales in the especial the answers that the people from flight 815 never died in the crash for sure so its still a mistery why naomi say they were found all death and i really think charlie is gone due to the fact i´ve been reading about it and what i found is that charlie is not expected to be part of the show anymore I cant wait anymore to see this new season
Comment by ivan — December 30, 2007 @ 12:32 am
hey ehats up? here we go. JACOB ISNT REAL!!! ben created him. so people who believe in him would listen to the “only person who can talk to him” dont you find it weird that the only person who can communicate with jacob is the biggest liar, and most manipulative person on the island? ben is number 1… but only because the people he is in control of, are the LOST. these people have no direction. and desperately want something to believe in. something to look up to. talk to me.
Comment by Csongei — January 10, 2008 @ 11:13 pm
What I found interesting is how they go on to say that “Jacob did not appear before Locke saw him.” which going back 2 one of the season 3 eps where ben is talking too locke and he says that he has a connection with this island and how lockes dad appeared on the island proved that…… so i think that Jacob was never real and that Ben made him up completely and when he took locke too where Jacob was supposed too be lockes connection with the island made jacob appear and made him a real person jst like how he can make/see walt appear or how he makes his dad come to the island. so that is why after locke heard Jacob that Ben was so surprised and wanted too find out what Jacob said because up to that exact point there was no Jacob but now that Locke has used his connection with the island there now is a jacob and that is why Ben shot Locke THE END………. and by the way am i the only person thats realised that the guy with one eye that kills charlie is not able to die and jst keeps coming back……….WTF LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Deano — January 13, 2008 @ 10:22 pm
I’d definitely go in on this 100 dollar bet. I highly doubt the directors would go so low as to use a time loop. I think that maybe, to explain the plane with the bodies, there is one of two options: either the government or the darhma initiative covered it up or they all died at the beginning because we saw Ben’s dead mmother at one point in time. I am leaning towards the Darhma thing. Maybe they saw that the plane was missing and didn’t want their work to be comprimised (seeing as how they did not know that the “natives” had taken over the island yet).
Charlie, sadly, has to be dead. He was my favorite character. The only way I can see them bringing him back is if he swam through the broken window; but I doubt it.
Comment by Mrs. Smyth — January 14, 2008 @ 11:45 am
hey, i cant believe no one else has seen it, if you freeze frame the scene where ben and locke go see jacob, there is actually a man sitting in that chair, right when the room starts to shakes, just for a split second, there is a grizzly man with long hair sitting in that chair, he is real and we know what he looks like
Comment by christopher Pearson — January 21, 2008 @ 10:18 pm
Didn’t noticed that! Will check that episode again for sure.
But I think that this theory of Jacob beeing made up by Locke totally untrue. The one I found more realistic it’s that Jacob is somewhat connected to the Monster. Jacob is real, and now some people say he appears if you freeze the frame. But as the production guy’s say - All of this weird stuff is supported by scientific facts so…
Can’t wait till season 4…Oh the pain…
Comment by Gordon Shumway — January 25, 2008 @ 2:56 am
Jacob is jack’s dad. i dont know how yet but it is..
Comment by chris — January 27, 2008 @ 7:10 pm
i thought jacob might have appeared before locke meet him, not visually but in one episode (might be season 2). jacks says to kate did you hear something and you can hear someone whisper. i thought that must have been jacob. ill look back and post the exact episode im talking bout.
Comment by joanne — April 29, 2008 @ 1:30 pm
“Reverberated” Hmmmm
Like reflected. Like Through the Looking Glass.
Like a wormhole :3
Time travellll.
Comment by John P. — December 23, 2008 @ 4:05 pm