Lost Theory - The Libby Factor
Explain Yourself Doc: This is a complete no brainer to me, and hopefully to all of you as well. Libby is the final part in a trilogy of visits from the time bending beings that Brother Campbell and Mrs. Hawking call kin. Do I have evidence? My case would stand up in court.
We assume, from what we have seen, that these people have influenced Desmond to a certain destiny which they are capable of. This, obviously, makes them beings from a higher dimension. I prefer to think of it as the implicate realm. Essentially time is like a record album to them.
When you hold a record in your hand, you can see the entire space of time that music has the potential to occupy. This analogy may have even been used as a clue when Desmond played his song "Make your own kind of music." The lyrics are, in a way, about making your own luck/destiny on your own terms. If music represents time, the song represents choice. What does this have to do with Libby?
If the Brother Campbell/Mrs. Hawkings people were able to see the consequence of certain changes, they would also have the ability to place one of their own people on the plane. As a matter of fact, they would have to.
The idea of getting Desmond there is that it would create an opportunity for one of them to get there and subsequently repair whatever force on the island has the potential to undo creation. I’ve already sold you my cosmogonic cycle bill of goods, so I’ll leave my reasons for thinking there is a death of the universe end game at that.
It would make perfect sense that Libby would be one of those people. First, she is a person that appeared out of the blue to shift Desmond’s destiny in a dramatic way. Just like Brother Campbell, and more forcefully Mrs. Hawking. Libby’s interaction was definitely key to Desmond arriving at the island. We can safely assume that there is a higher force that guided Desmond to the island, so someone functioning out of a chance encounter that significantly facilitates his trip to the island, Libby, is a suspect.
Why was she in Hurley’s past? The answer to that dilemma becomes easier to resolve if you subscribe to my time loop theory. Course correction would lead most of the people who were destined to be on Oceanic 815 to the plan, but that would not stop the time lords from needing to nudge other characters like they nudged Desmond. She was an observer watching what was known to be one of the more volatile factors, Hurley.
Basically, my time loop theory says that what we have been watching from the beginning of season one is the second revolution of a time loop. In the first, everything happened except Desmond coming to the island. Radzinsky committed suicide, and Kelvin became unstable just as he did while Desmond was there, but without someone to talk to he became more and more depressed and eventually either died or chose the Radzinsky way out.
Oceanic 815 was lost and subsequently crashed at sea.
Without anyone to push the button, The Swan had a complete melt down which is massive enough to result in the bending of time space into a loop.
Brother Campbell and his band of time plumbers go to work. If I were writing it, the kicker would be that every repetition of the curve brings the universe closer to an end. So they look at time, seeing cause and effect as an immediate painting of the future, and look for destinies that can be bumped in order to first deliver someone to the island to keep the button pushing, and second allow them to get one or more of their people to the island to somehow permanently fix the problem.
Why can’t they go in on the water? Who knows. Why did Ben say that God could not see the island? I would guess the island exists in a closed time-like curve and can only be reached under specific conditions. That being the case, Brother Campbell and crew could steer people to be there when the conditions were right, but couldn’t do so themselves. Might be a percpetual problem from their level of reality. Like we can see the grooves on a record as points in time relative to the music, we cannot look at the grooves and see the notes playing. Higher dimensions do occasionally have their drawbacks.
So the question is, why Desmond and 815? Because in the original, normal, unlooped timeline all of them died. Once on the island, in the time like curve, they would be protected from course correction because they would essentially be in a privileged field.
This leads us to the breakdown of the mission with the turning of the failsafe key. When the failsafe key is turned it caused a controlled meltdown. The result, as we saw from Desmond’s perspective, is that time loops again. A consequence, however, may be present in the fact that to everyone on the outside, Oceanic 815 was found at the bottom of the ocean.
Wow doc! I can’t believe you came up with this. It’s logical and would make for a great story. I like it. I look forward to your next theory. Thanks and keep up the great work. –Homer
Comment by Homer J. S. — September 7, 2007 @ 7:09 pm
Great stuff. I would also say (in regards to your "Make Your Own Kind of Music" analogy) that the moment when Locke, Kate, Hurley and Jack blasted open the hatch to the Swan was the beginning of what would become the distruption of the whole timeline, ie. when Desmond would start getting flashes and all crazy things would happen in the sky. At that moment, the record skips and stops due to the blast. (S02 E01)
Comment by The Pearl — September 7, 2007 @ 7:42 pm
i enjoyed reading this, i like your theory - i hadn’t thought of libby as a ms hawking-esque character but it could make sense. i’m not too sure about your conclusion of their role in the button pushing because as we all know there is no more button so they failed in getting desmond to do it… for all of season 2 desmond is awol from the hatch pretty much and none of these character stepped in to get him back on task. sure locke and ecko pushed the button but they were driven more by faith so you could say there was no need for intereference BUT the failsafe was used and there is no more hatch. If these characters can skip around in the time stream then why not go back to the middle of season 2 and reveal themselves to another lostie, or even to desmond…
perhaps it goes beyond the button, and the resulting failsafe implosion was neccisary in order to get desmond and charlie into the looking glass…. which means their role probably goes even further beyond charlie let alone the button…
I’m thinking people are a little too hung up on the swan station, because it was such a cool element in the show. I think that the majority of overall story arch relevant material that there is about the hatch, has already been given to us. the unanswered questions, about radzinsky, kelvin, etc are minor elements that are interesting but do not impact the larger story in incredibly meaningful ways. ie Radzinsky won’t turn out to be mikhail…. Kelvin probably wasn’t really Dharma… the button didn’t stop the world from exploding SPOILER!!!111!11
Comment by bohemus — September 7, 2007 @ 7:55 pm
Hold up, a writer/producer (Damon) said during commentary of the episode that introduces the interior of the hatch that he picked that song because his mom really liked it so he heard it a lot as a child. This could be a loop in the idea thatry the song has meaning. Perhaps the meaning is that the song works well with the scene and it has sentimental value for Damon.
I love this theory, btw. It shows why the characters are "found dead." But what about the ending of season 3 when Kate and Jack appear to be by an airport in the U.S.?
Comment by Katt — September 7, 2007 @ 7:59 pm
this is what I say when I hear any of these insane theories: How in the world could they possibly explain this on the show without devoting an entire episode to a quantum physics lesson? I think this is too out there, although perhaps Libby is in league with Campbell and Hawking. I think she’s secretly related to someone, and that’s why we don’t know her last name.
Comment by james — September 7, 2007 @ 8:18 pm
As much as I enjoy reading theories such as this, I have to agree with james. Most cannot be explained on the show (to the audience and the characters) without a seemingly endless episode of quantum physics and the like. Just too involved! They are fun to read though.
Comment by maria — September 7, 2007 @ 8:26 pm
Damn, dude. This is one of those theories that I wish I hadn’t read. It’s so insanely logical that it seems like it can’t be anything *but* that. It’s almost like a spoiler.
Comment by Matthew — September 7, 2007 @ 8:30 pm
Great theory, Doc. Now figure out how to tie this idea back to the other parties in the show (DHARMA, The Hostiles, Widmore/Paik/Hanso Foundation, the "freighter" people, and the 815 survivors) and things’ll get interesting.
Remember, only THREE SEASONS to wrap it all up.
Comment by Richard Lennox — September 7, 2007 @ 10:48 pm
I’m buying into the idea of the time loop pretty easily, in my many ponderings of what the heck is going on, it seems to be one of the only things that is satisfying. But…..I don’t know that Libby is the same as Hawking and Brother Campbell. It doesn’t flow right. They couldn’t possibly be human. What kind of human would be able to look down on time from past to present to future and know what needed to be rearranged to create an exact outcome. There isn’t anything from where I’m standing that comes close to explaining Brother Campbell and Hawking without delving into the Twilight Zone anyway. But, my long rambling point is: if Libby was the same sort of what ever that they are-why does she die? Granted she fights it a little, but she can’t even communicate that Michael killed her. Just seems like had that been Hawking in her shoes coming down those stairs at the end of Season 2 things would’ve been a little different.
Comment by 80sKatie — September 7, 2007 @ 11:28 pm
Except, the producers said around the end of Season 1, "There is no time travel". You can find the cite in the Wikipedia article.
Comment by BobW — September 7, 2007 @ 11:49 pm
That must be some pretty good ganja.
Comment by Michael Dobrofsky — September 8, 2007 @ 2:54 am
Libby was sent to the islnd just to save Hurley from suicide. That was her mission. That is why she was with him in asylum. She had to "know" him before they come to the island. She was instructed by Hawking and Campbell to do this. Maybe Hurley has some higher remitment and has to live. Or not
Comment by mikehammer — September 8, 2007 @ 3:31 am
i agree with james, this theory is way too complicated to explain on tv using the characters, i think the brother campbell/ ms hawkins angle isnt as important as u think due to them sharing around 20 mins airplay in 3 seasons.
the members of 815 arent dead, the plane was seen crashing by ben and the others near the main beach, the reason it was reported to be at the bottom of the sea is, in my opinion, a cover up by oceanic/ hanso/ dharma to provide an answer to the general public as to why the plane and passengers are missing. this is also the reason kate and jack have unlimited gold passes to fly - as a bribe to keep quiet about the whole thing……
Comment by stu — September 8, 2007 @ 4:41 am
Wow, Doc! Awesome theory!
Can’t wait to see how this turns out!
Comment by Josh — September 8, 2007 @ 5:45 am
not that it matters, but i had an extremely similar theory– that there is a group of people off of the island (hawking, campbell, malkin, libby, etc) who (with the help of whatever ‘abilities’ hawking has) ‘know’ the future, and have influenced certain people to get onto that flight (and in desmonds case– meet penny so that one day she could find the island, break up with penny and go to the island, turn the failsafe key)– which was something that desmond was ’supposed’ to do, according to hawking in FBYE).
obviously there isn’t enough evidence yet to know why they wanted those people to go onto the island (or if this is even true), but i still think that it is extremely likely
Comment by ackermaniv — September 8, 2007 @ 8:42 am
I wonder if this loop in time somehow accounts for the fact that certain island inhabitants seem to really be dead, while others are very much alive. i assume that at least Jack and Kate are living, since the season finale shows them post-island. But what about Richard? He seemed to be exactly the same age back when Ben was a boy and first met him in the woods. Remember Ben saying to Richard, "you do remeber birthdays, don’t you?"
Yet I still cannot account for how Locke’s father arived on the island. Was it Sawyers fate to kill him? Was this also part of the Brother Campbell/ Ms. Hawking destiny factor. *(did you notice ms. hawkings picture on Brother Cambells desk?)*
Comment by jes — September 8, 2007 @ 9:28 am
no no no Doc, you have it all wrong. There are dinosaurs on the island, but that doesn’t matter because they are already dead, at least until Hurley wakes up realizing it was all a dream!
Comment by South_park300 — September 8, 2007 @ 9:54 am
Doc,
I agree with you on a lot of this. Myself and some other people have been posting very similar theories on our respective blogs, and I think this means one of two things: A. We’re being misdirected by the show and have taken the bait hook, line and sinker; or B. We’re onto something. I’ve been theorizing for the last few weeks that Libby is probably in cahoots with whatever Ms Hawking represents, and that these are likely the “other Others” who are headed to the island. And I’d agree that either Richard and Charlotte Malkin are part of this group of people, or the couple in Los Angeles is. I think Aaron is very important in a way we don’t know yet, and that it’s no coincidence Desmond’s visions show Claire and Aaron being rescued.
I’d also like to float the theory that this new group of people, string-pullers or course correctors or DR. WHO rejects or whatever you wanna call them, depend upon Desmond turning that key so the island will be made visible again. I suspect Desmond is kind of their control case, and they have been observing this same cycle of events over and over, and that each time they are trying to manipulate a particular outcome. Desmond is the key to this, and him activating the failsafe is what allows them to find or return to the island. I think that Jacob was trying to ensure that someone continued pushing the button, to avoid this exact chain of events where the island could be discovered.
Comment by Paula Abdul Alhazred — September 8, 2007 @ 11:26 am
so does (Mental) libby fears the island mentally /subconciously, i think the reason shes in the mental institute is because of the island or something tied in with it. bearing in mind your wkd timeline theory!
Comment by UKlostie — September 8, 2007 @ 1:28 pm
so you think jack and kate and who ever was in casket complete redeemed themsleves or did they somehow cheat the system to leave the island?
Comment by bohemus — September 8, 2007 @ 1:43 pm
I actually think Ms. Hawking and her gang will be explained. I think what won’t be explained is all of the connections between the characters, and the question of whether a higher force (higher than even time traveling know-it-alls) had something to do with bringing these people together. The question of fate will almost definitely hang over the series, even after it’s over.
Comment by Paula Abdul Alhazred — September 8, 2007 @ 1:55 pm
so was the pilot in on it? is that why he was killed? is smokey dark matter that is trying to allow the destruction of the universe?
Comment by jimmy — September 8, 2007 @ 5:38 pm
Doc, I like your thoughts about the role of redemption and how it leads to "passage" off the island. "Accepting their intended fate for the good of mankind" may mean accepting death (Charlie and, in a different sense, Eko). It will be interesting to see how Michael fits in. I have always thought that redemption was the central theme and that these survivors were serving a greater purpose. And you are right, it would tie it up very neatly.
Your entire theory makes Desmond a crucial character. He seems to embody all of their struggles and their destiny.
Comment by maria — September 8, 2007 @ 8:52 pm
protected from course correction because they are in a privileged field? u sure doc? , wasnt charlie course corrected ?
Comment by thomas m — September 9, 2007 @ 8:44 am
What happened to Charlie certainly seemed like course correction in the way it was described to Desmond by Ms.Hawking…
"Had I warned him about the scaffolding tomorrow he’d be hit by a taxi. If I warned him about the taxi, he’d fall in the shower and break his neck. The universe, unfortunately, has a way of course correcting. That man was supposed to die. That was his path just as it’s your path to go to the island. You don’t do it because you choose to, Desmond. You do it because you’re supposed to. "
There was no on-island course correction before the failsafe key was turned though, something to ponder.
Is it that Charlie was supposed to have died in the crash? Maybe when he was strung up by Ethan? Or was the lightning strike the first time that the Universe tried to course correct?
Comment by Richardstone — September 9, 2007 @ 10:03 am
Mrs. Hawking on course correction:
“Had I warned him about the scaffolding tomorrow he’d be hit by a taxi. If I warned him about the taxi, he’d fall in the shower and break his neck. The universe, unfortunately, has a way of course correcting. That man was supposed to die. That was his path just as it’s your path to go to the island. You don’t do it because you choose to, Desmond. You do it because you’re supposed to. ”
Wouldn’t this mean that the universe is course correcting all paths, so if Desmond doesn’t go to the island he will end up there anyway through course correction? This would mean that there doesn’t have to be agents making them go to the island, the universe will cause them to go there anyway
Comment by shaun — September 9, 2007 @ 1:31 pm
Persoanlly i love that theory. But i have a different one.
I believe Dave was one of the people Hurley accidently killed. Libby, his wife, seeked revenege. She omperousley placed her self in the mental ward to watch and keep an eye on Hurley. So afterwards she can kill him
i do love your theory
Comment by the lost king — September 9, 2007 @ 1:46 pm
Great theory, Doc. It would also explain why is FF Kate not in custody - she is under kind of island escapies witness protection program. Authorities think she died in plane crash while being taken to the US by the marshall.
Comment by Spheare — September 9, 2007 @ 2:45 pm
Ok, here’s my off the wall Libby theory incorporating the time loops and alternate timelines ect. Hurley was Libby’s husband in some random facet off time. He was so rich from winning the lottery he bought her a boat. He died on the island and she went crazy and somehow ended up in the mental hospital with him in a different timeline before she had met him, and then for some reason has to get back to the island to keep Hurley from commiting suicide and sacrificing herself in the process. Or completely not at all. But just saying-it’s really hard to say where it’s all going since so many vital pieces of the puzzle are missing. We don’t even know how important what we are watching is until much much later.
Comment by 80sKatie — September 9, 2007 @ 3:48 pm
Hey Doc, love the thory! I believe that you are correct that these dead characters have a purpose to serve yet, as very few Lost characters serve little or no purpose.
<br/><br/>Also, glad to have you on board for DarkUFO’s fantasy league. It will be fun.
Comment by G-Man — September 9, 2007 @ 5:13 pm
I still think that if the Others had privileged knowledge of the Losties and perhaps even future knowlege from "jacob" who is supposedly giving orders, there would have had to be a reason for stringing charlie up, other than as a warning. Maybe they are trying to force correct certain things, such as Charlie, the only one of the survivors (most likely) who could make the island become visible again. If Jacob is protecting the island and is any more omniscient than the normal timephaseshifting entitiy, he would encourage the death of Charlie, for the "certain doom" for the island that his typing in the beach boys tune would elicit. Ben’s reaction when Bonnie (or Greta) said that Charlie was down in the looking glass showed that Ben definitely believes that there will be real bad ramifications for that act.
Also, I know it’s crazy… but i think future jack wants to make sure events don’t transpire to the future that we’re seeing and he enlists walt for some astral projection exercises that end up projecting Jacob to enlist the others on numerous projects and tasks to prevent the "destruction/usage/etc" of the island from the other force. Also, the universe would probably do a great deal of course correcting if the losties make it back… although that almost seems like lost would be delving too far into the final destination schtick. enough of my crackpot theories.
Comment by hurleybird — September 9, 2007 @ 5:56 pm
hurleybird, what projects and tasks? The alien runway?
Comment by jimpbblmk — September 10, 2007 @ 12:20 am
I think there are way too many unanswered questions. About Desmond’s supposed journey into the past, was it really time travel in a traditional sense? Or was he just reliving events that had actually happened but in a slightly different way? Was his encounter with Ms. Hawking something that had actually happened the "first" time he lived through those events? Or was it something that happened for the "first" time when he "went back." I think it’s not clear that Ms. Hawking is even real. He may have seen her somewhere, like in the abbot’s picture, and then she became the voice of his subconscious. I mean, Desmond didn’t really go back in time… If he had, there would have been two of him hanging out with Penny in that episode. It’s more like he just lived through the events again.
As for Jack’s despair at the end of Season 3, it could still be possible that the reason he wants to go back isn’t because he feels that his destiny or whatever was to remain on the island (like Locke), but rather because he feels guilty about leaving some of the other survivors behind and he wants to go get them off the island. Although, the way he said "We WEREN’T supposed to leave" does make it sound like it was the first alternative.
Comment by BobW — September 10, 2007 @ 7:14 am
Now that i have read your theory again i realise what you mean!!, very intelligent outlook based on previous facts well done DocArtz
Comment by UKlostie — September 10, 2007 @ 8:40 am
Doc: I like the theory but it provokes several questions: How does Dharma relate to the island? How long has this loop been going on? (Seems like Ben and his father and Desmond got to the island in a different way than Juliet) How long has the island been invisible? (Is it a recent phenomenon or perpetual? The shipwreck implies that it has been unknown for some time.)
Comment by dazed — September 10, 2007 @ 1:09 pm
hu
Comment by n — September 10, 2007 @ 3:02 pm
On a slightly different train of thought…most of the Jacob theories that I’ve heard seem to be in some sort of agreement that he’s off of the slave ship or from that time period, so if the time loops go back that far (which they undoubtable do b/c he seems to be stuck in one), then the weirdness and anomoly that is the island goes back way further than Jacob-all the way back to the 4-toed people. (unless they’re from the future). I just hope they manage to wrap up all these loose ends in a moderately satisfying way-or at least address them. I couldn’t imagine characters like Libby, or Christian Shepard, or Alpert being written off without further explainations and tie ins.
Comment by 80sKatie — September 10, 2007 @ 3:42 pm
There are not lost.On that island,they are actually FIND
Comment by Dule — September 11, 2007 @ 8:16 pm
somebody may have already said this…
i think it more likely that libby, like the REAL henry gale and whoever else, works for widmore. i think widmore is trying to find the island. i know it’s all about connections and coincidences, but libby shows up with a boat right when desmond needs one to enter a widmore-sponsored race around the world? and she was on the plane that got there, which also contained the widmore pregnancy test. and henry’s balloon had a widmore logo on it somewhere, although i believe that was only in a promo photo and didn’t appear in the episode. could be that widmore is following along with penny’s leads to find the place. or, i suppose it’s also possible that penny sent all those people. either way… libby. widmore. makes sense.
Comment by andrew — September 12, 2007 @ 11:06 am
"I have a theory on Malkin. I don’t think he is a psychic at all. I think he was intercepted by Christian who then used him to convince Claire to move to LA, with his grandchild. Remember, Christian was in Australia at the same time that Malkin was trying to convince Claire to keep the baby, and subsequently convinced her to go to Los Angeles which was where Christian was heading/from.
I think it does matter that you have the same theory acker, because a lot of the supporting information for the idea comes from the show. It isn’t something that we are pulling out of our behinds."
This theory only lends further credence to my own: that Christian was murdered for failing to deliver Claire to the Others after killing their prospective female test subject as a result of his negligence while performing surgery drunk, and he quickly persuaded Malkin to get her out of Australia and to the States before the Others could make other arrangements to get her to the island…..James
Comment by ogam5 — September 12, 2007 @ 1:24 pm
…..then again, the Others got their way after all since Claire was one more key person who "found herself" on 815 (along with Sawyer, Jack, Kate and Locke) meaning Malkin was almost certainly forced to work with the Others, perhaps as a result of his own daughter being raised from the seemingly dead - or she may have subsequently attracted their interest (hence Libby’s somewhat convenient defusing of Charlotte’s encounter with Eko) and have even threatened to take her in place of Claire…..James
Comment by ogam5 — September 12, 2007 @ 1:41 pm
Your theory has too many holes. Sadly, the entire story line is developing too many holes.
Would it not make more sense to have someone on the island do what needs to be done, rather than set up Desmond to do it? There was no way to be certain he would take the boat, arrive safely on the island, or continue to push the button.
Why have a jamming station underwater? It would not work very well there, if at all. In addition, jamming stations themselves can be tracked and position determined very easily. Besides, if Hurleys buddy in the institution had heard the signal and the numbers, the jamming didn’t work well enough to block Rousso’s transmission in the first place.
Here is somthing often overlooked. Why not just go to the tower and turn-off Rousso’s transmission? Obviously Ben knew where the tower was.
I truley hope all of these time-travel, alternate-reality theories are proven to be wrong.
Comment by Brian and Phyllis in Ohio — September 14, 2007 @ 9:23 am
Doc: you’ve written that what we see now is the second revolution of a time loop. I’d rather say it’s fifth or sixth but only for Desmond. One loop for every death of Charlie: loop 1 - Charlie is hit by lightning, loop 2 - Desmond saves Charlie from lightning, but Charlie drowns, and so on. Desmond is one of the very few people who lived through the all loops. It is like in the "end" something sends Desmond (and maybe Locke) back to the moment right after failsafe discharge. No more flashes for Desmond would mean - we got to the point where he hasn’t been before.
Comment by Spheare — September 16, 2007 @ 12:32 pm
Ahhhh but if GOD is really GOD, then HE is all knowing otherwise HE would not be GOD but a mere god and this story is nothing more than greek mythology.
But non the less a good theory!
Comment by thirdflr — September 17, 2007 @ 6:46 am
Wow! You have just putted words on my theory! thank you! I will be sending that to my friend who don’t understand it! Good job Doc!
Comment by Raphaël Imbeault — September 18, 2007 @ 7:22 am
This is interesting, but how would you explain people like Richard Alpert, who seems to have come and gone from the island?
Comment by amigo perdido — September 20, 2007 @ 2:25 pm
libby could obviously get to the island…. ’cause she did.
so, she coulda gotten there w/out him and done des’s job for him. done and done. theory is DOA.
(several other holes too, won’t point out - no time. i’ll write ‘em when i loop through in another life, brother.)
Comment by wtf — September 20, 2007 @ 3:49 pm
I think that libby had the mission of take care of Hurley, and maybe that’s why we saw in the show that Hurley was trying to remember from where he knows her, and she was pretending that they never see each other before.
LIBBY IS FROM CAMPBELL’S AND HAWKINGS CREW AND OF HER MSISIONS WAS TO TAKE PEOPLE TO THE ISLAND. I completely agree with DOC, GREAT!!
Comment by Eduardo Leite(Brasil) — September 21, 2007 @ 7:26 am
Totally agree! -Paradice Lost and His dark Materials Quantem entanglement delema totally exsists in Lost!
Comment by IslandPolarbear — September 21, 2007 @ 9:27 am
One problem with this idea. (although, it’s a very thought out and good one) I would have to say that there are these special people placed all over for every character. i.e., the guy that saw what would happen to Claire. The guy that said the numbers over and over, then finally flipped out on Hurley for using them. Just my thought..
~Jen~
Comment by Jen — September 21, 2007 @ 10:11 am
I think Doc has watched Bill and Teds Excellent Adventure a few too many times.
Comment by Blah — September 21, 2007 @ 11:04 am
Ok, I don’t really post here or come to this web site, I got a link from Ausiello, so sorry if this has already been explained and if what I’m about to say sounds dumb, but I finally get the baby thing.
In a light bulb moment that happened when thinking about this whole time loop thing, I realized that babies can’t be carried to term on the island, because they are in a time loop. So, if they were able to procreate and carry on a new generation, then that would cause major problems with the time loop. Though, I’m still not sure how Ben, being obsessed w/ fixing the baby problem figures into the big picture, other than he wants to raise another generation on the island.
Comment by Izzy — September 21, 2007 @ 2:32 pm
I think you’re over thinking it alot Doc…….
I’ll bet you $100 that the show will never introduce sci-fi elements such as time travel, parallel worlds, “watchers”. etc….. That easter egg stuff is just for us fans to think about and speculate.
Comment by Muscle Bob Buff Pants — September 21, 2007 @ 3:38 pm
I beg to differ bob buff pants…if you go lostpedia it says that The writers confirm that Desmond did in fact time travel in episode 3.8 Flashes Before Your Eyes…also the new orientation Video expresses that at least the origianl dharma had conserns with the casmir effect -Orchid media footage…in addition if you would read anything on quatum mechanics/or paridice Lost or His Dark materials (a parody to paridice lost) you will see alot of sci-fi elements in lost….it’s there but it’s underneth all of the drama, just like it is in real life…that is why the show is so good because string theory and quatum entanglement are both theories the few scientist that are left are delving into…subatomic particules that move in more than on way which prove that there is more space and shadow matter than we thought….in fact did you know your cell pone is used through photons?!!! most of our new technology is based on these discoveries. The truth is that we are surrounded by the mysteries of sceince everyday, but are taken for granted.
Comment by Islandpolarbear — September 21, 2007 @ 8:35 pm
What a titanic load of shit. Dig your head out of the Star Trek crap and try to come back to earth.
Comment by Borg — September 21, 2007 @ 10:27 pm
Borg, you can respond to me or anyone with any ideas with out being so defensive? -or have you evolved backwards?!!!
What do you think you are made up of…Matter! no ‘matter’ how you slice it, we are a part of evolution and are moving through time…there are forces all around us….
and to add to docs theories and theories envolving quantum mechanics please look up Plank’s law and black body radiation (
( think about the metephor of pandora’s box (; )
Comment by Islandpolarbear — September 22, 2007 @ 10:13 am
wtf: Uh, I think you missed the point. Libby could not get to the island until her opportunity was there. They needed somebody to keep the button going until that moment arrived. That someone was Desmond. Read much?
uhhhhh, yeah, i read your BS and dismissed it as BS. i have a phD in engineering, and if you are truly a doc, you must’ve got your degree out of a cracker jack box (oooooh, is that like a box universe theory? pandora’s box? there’s got to be an asinine theory there too!).
these purportedly powerful "people" having to subtly push destinies around to get someone to hopefully not push a button when their plane is flying directly nearby overhead. ….uhhhhhh yeah - that makes a lot of sense. they can jump through time, but they can’t figure out how to get to an island that mere mortals have no problem getting to and coming from.
uhhhhhhhhhhh, i guess if libby took 10^20th oceanic air flights, then the odds that she’d be flying near the island when desmond didn’t push the button would be approximately…….. uhhhhhhhhhh….. ZERO. oh, but since they can travel through time, they KNEW 815 would crash there, so went back in time to put somebody of their’s on the plane…. why they didn’t just go back further and give her a much safer landing (via, e.g., a dharma vessel) i guess is beyond me. or maybe you. or maybe the theory is crap. probably 2 out of those 3.
you sir, are an idiot. can you understand that at least?
didn’t think so. continue condescending to people that point it out though - it’s pretty amusing.
Comment by return of wtf — September 23, 2007 @ 2:40 pm
Well, that certainly confirmed all of the stereotypes out there about engineers! (And 15 year old posters pretending to be engineers, while we’re at it)
Now back to our regularly scheduled "mine is bigger than yours" fest.
Comment by KJ — September 23, 2007 @ 8:28 pm
The theory is, well, alright I guess. Parts of it is probably right but it feels like it’s missing something. I’m new to this whole online LOST chatting thing, but I think that Libby is not part of the Hawking/Campbell thing. I think that she is a "native" like Richard and Jacob, and therefore can leave the island whenever she pleases. I also think that Dave from the "Dave" episode is also a native, and possibly her husband. (She tells Desmond in the season 2 finale that her husband’s name was David.) That might expain why they were both at Hurley’s mental hospital. I know, I’m a genius.
Comment by ekoisadebese — September 26, 2007 @ 8:03 pm
not so sure doc 2 many things unexplaned…. you should get out more!
Comment by chalky — October 3, 2007 @ 6:19 am
Well Doc, I guess you are not allowed to express yourself freely in “this timeline”…wtf is a tool, to berate you is ridiculous…I have a computer science degree and the last time ichecked, i was still able to post a comment or theory based on my opinions and with the knowledge of what was presented to me. I work with engineers and have discussed Lost with them and, holy crap, they all have different thoughts, so who should i yell at first? Keep it going Doc, don’t let ignorant people bring you down…
BTW, most of the eng’s i work with, say Lost has something to do with the Super String theory or the Casmir Effect…
Return of wtf…go build yourself a better attitude
Comment by Ben's Doll — January 7, 2008 @ 9:33 am
Well Doc, I guess you are not allowed to express yourself freely in “this timeline”…wtf is a tool, to berate you is ridiculous…I have a computer science degree and the last time ichecked, i was still able to post a comment or theory based on my opinions and with the knowledge of what was presented to me. I work with engineers and have discussed Lost with them and, holy crap, they all have different thoughts, so who should i yell at first? Keep it going Doc, don’t let ignorant people bring you down…
BTW, most of the eng’s i work with, say Lost has something to do with the Super String theory or the Casmir Effect…
Return of wtf…go build yourself a better attitude
Comment by Ben's Doll — January 7, 2008 @ 9:33 am
everyone on the plane is conected to each other some how, like jack is claire’s brother in-law,and demonds preist is married to the women tht was in the jewelery shop in desmonds flash back. on one of the dharma orientation films, the scientist sed there was an accident, tht explains the black smoke, the black smoke is a burst of electomagnetic energy, so the dharma folk must of done sumthing to make it live, and see people’s fear, regarding eko stand up against it in season 2
the reason why all this is happening???
its all to do with,, finding out the reason and points of life and time, like the dharma was doing before the hostiles showed up,
Comment by Matt — January 23, 2008 @ 12:03 pm
The Island is at the centre of a time vortex. It just keeps going round and round from the past to the present to the future crossing over and grabbing people on the way through the time space continuim based on their connections. Each person that has one or more connections to another gets dragged in. Picture a nuclear diagram with little atoms whizing round a core …….. the island is the middle and the people’s lives along various time zones and connections are whizing round it. Some get pulled in closer, others are unaffected (Jack’s Mom for example ~ she is only connected to 2 people Jack and Christian while Jack is connected to Christian, Shannon and Desmond). The Swan station was Dharma’s way to keep this from happening and keep the Island isolated. Desmond’s
little mishap with the numbers after he followed Kelvin to the shore
broke the hold and sucked the plane in ~ they found that out from The
Pearl printout. I would be curious to see what “incidents” might have
occured arround the time the Black Rock was ship wrecked, when
Rouseaux and her team were stranded, Henry Gale’s ballon supposedly
fell from the sky and Desmond’s boat washed a shore and most recently
when Naomi ‘ejected’ from her Helicoptor.
Way off theory: Each vessel stranding and crash was affected by ‘incidents”
that occured during the development or maintenance of the differing
disciplines that the Dharma Initiative was undertaking on the island.
A long shot maybe …..
Comment by LOSTinSA — January 28, 2008 @ 6:53 am
You people are insane… This post is RIFE with terrible speculations. Consider the following:
#1 - The story REALLY isn’t this sophisticated. How exactly do you expect all of this to resolve itself in a satisfactory yet still dramatically when it’s a clusterf*** of quantum physics and theories about fields of space-time that we can’t even explain in the real world?
#2 - The story IS this sophisticated and the probability of you guessing all of its details is, um, zero. ZERO. If you give me any s*** about the Heisenberg uncertainty principle or I will stab you in the face.
#3 - You could be right, but then again you ruined it for all of us. Thank you for stressing your need to be right to an extent where the enjoyable 42 minutes of lost taken as a reprieve from my work becomes an ACTUAL waste of time since I now know what’s going to happen in advance.
Stop. You idiots are ruining it for the rest of us… just shut up and watch it next week.
Comment by Adam — February 8, 2008 @ 4:19 am
I have bought into the timeloop theory since season 3. I have heard many different variations of this theory and each has various twists that could be possible.
Just wanted to mention somehthing I noticed recently watching season 3. When Juliet is recruited to go to the island the name of the research company used in Mittelos Bioresearch. Mittelos is an anagram for “lost time” or “time lost.” Interesting…
Comment by Seth — September 28, 2008 @ 12:25 pm
What the heck!! I am more confused now than ever!
What happened to pushing the button? Is this no longer necessary? Did I miss something?
Comment by solost — January 15, 2009 @ 7:35 am