Exclusive ‘Lost’ Set Photos - Possible Spoilers
There is a chance this is much ado about nothing, however I believe these Lost set pictures reveal something pretty interesting that we either missed before, or perhaps is all new and may indicate a subtle clue we need to keep an eye on. These are some photos sent from a Tailsection contributor who shall become known shortly. They are some pictures of the reassembling of the beach set.
Before I tell you the part both the photographer and myself became VERY interested in, take a look and see if you can find it for yourself:
Yes, the bottom picture we have seen a million times, I’m sure we all have the beach set pretty much memorized by now, but the top two. Our eagle eyed contributor spotted the mysterious lettering on the door right away and turned what might have been another run of the mill photo-essay on Lost’s infamous beach scene into a work of speculative art.
OBSERVATION ROOM?
Okay, I looked up and down the net and found no conversation of this. Perhaps one of our aeronautically inclined readers will point out the meaning of this, but as the photographer asked "Were they ever on a plane?"
I think it is obvious they were, but what was the "Observation Room" all about, and is this something that has been there all along, or something that will become obvious to us this season? Speculate away.
Wow…that’s pretty…weird. But I doubt they would leave such an important clue just lying around, would they? If they dismantled a plane it might be that inscription was there from before, for who knows what reasons. Or maybe it isn’t suposed to be from the Flight 815 at all.
But if it is, and the sign is intentional, that would pretty much blow everything up. I don’t really believe they weren’t on a plane however…remember the season finale? The Oceanic golden tickets, Jack wanting to crash. That seemed pretty much to confirm it was a real plane crash. We’ve even seen it crash from several perspectives even from the Others’ point of view. And Damon and Carlton said numerous times it’s not a dream or purgatory or anything like that sooo…dunno.
Comment by G — September 1, 2007 @ 4:48 pm
I was the photographer, and I thought I would just drop in to say that you couldn’t see the door from the outskirts of the set AT ALL. I was about thirty feet in, accidentally past the line. Just wanted to clear that up.
Comment by DharmaIsland — September 1, 2007 @ 5:08 pm
i’ll go ahead and say it doesn’t look like it’s from 815.
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Lockheedfuselage.jpg
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Frontplane.jpg
if you look at thos screen you can see that the upper stripe of color is pink on the fuselage, while on the door it’s red, also there is a 3rd color bar below the dark blue which is light blue, and we dont see this on the Observation Room door.
curious.
Comment by bohemus — September 1, 2007 @ 5:13 pm
i think its much ado about nothing. it doesn’t make sense to have an observation room on a plane, but it clearly looks like plane wreckage, and it hasn’t been shown prominantly in any episodes, and like G said, they wouldn’t just leave it lying around if it meant something. maybe they just took an old train door or something knowing they would never show the lettering on the show just so they could show some wreckage on the beach.
Comment by jimmy — September 1, 2007 @ 5:15 pm
Hmmm…Maybe this all happened before… or WILL happen again….Could be flash forward, Jack ends up back on the Island, or maybe another plane had creashed on the Island before 815??? -Maybe this is something the Island naturally does or was designed to do??????
Comment by Laura — September 1, 2007 @ 5:21 pm
Perhaps It either has all happened before or it WILL happen again…It could be a flash forward where Jack or somebody else we know crashes on the Island again, or maybe there was another plane crash before 815???? Perhaps the Island Naturally does this or was designed to???????
Comment by Islandpolarbear — September 1, 2007 @ 5:24 pm
lol jack returns to the island from the future aboard a flying observation room?
Comment by bohemus — September 1, 2007 @ 5:30 pm
Wasn’t there an observation room hatch? correct me if i am wrong, but I distinctly remember the second hatch being found full of video moniters. It would seem likely that this was an observation hatch. (please note that I am aware that the hatch was not actually names "Observation".
Another thing to point out, is that while Kate rescued Carl from Ben’s brainwash room, It reminded me that there are more stations on the island.
And although the door does look like it was ripped from a plane, It’s far too incomplete a theory to play with right now. I mean what was the original concept? Are they going to be coming to actualization that they are on a mass scale reality show, like the Truman Show?
-Get Crackin.
Comment by Dr. C.a. Smith — September 1, 2007 @ 5:54 pm
I’m with the ‘ol polarbear….I think LOST is going to reveal sometime soon that there is more than one space time continuum. Many different ways this can play out, and many different endings. Maybe they get off the island, maybe they don’t - maybe 815 was found with dead passengers in their seats on the bottom of the ocean in an alternate universe.
Comment by Michael Dobrofsky — September 1, 2007 @ 6:26 pm
Hmm, interesting. If this isn’t just nothing, then it means a lot. An Observation Room on Flight 815 might mean that the Others or some other organization was watching the passengers the whole time during the crash. Perhaps it was more than merely Desmond almost failing to press the button that day.
Comment by verinon — September 1, 2007 @ 9:42 pm
DharmaIsland … "accidentally past the line" … LOL! I too have been to the set… I guess you climbed the mesh fence and walked past the security guard "accidentally" to get these pictures! LOL!!!
Comment by Woot908 — September 1, 2007 @ 10:07 pm
DharmaIsland … "accidentally past the line" … LOL! I too have been to the set… I guess you climbed the mesh fence and walked past the security guard "accidentally" to get these pictures! LOL!!!
Comment by Fudai — September 1, 2007 @ 10:07 pm
I wasn’t talking about the ‘Observation Room’, I was really commenting on IF the paint/stripe design DIDN’T match the 815 plane….The ‘Observation Room’ is bizar no matter what plane it’s on! If it is 815’s, either they were never on a Plane in the air (simulated???), or Hanso and/or perhaps this New group we are forced to meet, wanted to make sure 815 had all of it’s ‘required’ passengers and that it crashed where it was suppose to crash as part of the experiment .(hense obsevation room) I don’t know if it is common or even a real idea that airplanes have observation rooms?????
Comment by Islandpolarbear — September 2, 2007 @ 6:58 am
Maybe it’s a hatch from the freighter on the way to the beach?
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — September 2, 2007 @ 7:42 am
I think it’s just a prop, not supposed to have any significance. The set folks probably got a bunch parts that, on first take, look like they are pieces of airliner wreckage. The audience is never intended to read any words that used to be painted on the parts, or analyze the size and orientation of the rivets holding the pieces together. It’s like the set shot of Michael Emerson standing with the kid who played young (but not newborn) Ben– nothing to do with the show.
But it should definitely be noted that SOMEONE OWNS PRIVATE PROPERTY ON THE ISLAND HOLY CRAP!
Comment by hexonxonx — September 2, 2007 @ 9:00 am
Why is there a hole punched through it? I say punched because the piece that should be there is still underneath the door, properly aligned with the hole. If it was caused during the crash, the smaller, lighter piece probably would’ve been carried with the wind at least a little bit.
Comment by AcidTWister — September 2, 2007 @ 9:24 am
Let’s for a second assume that this door is from flight 815. And let’s assume that this "Observation Room" door actually housed a room that observed the passengers on flight 815. And while we’re at it, let’s assume that DHARMA was the one responsible for this room on flight 815. Why would DHARMA be so bold as to label this door as such? Because most flights don’t have "Observation Rooms" or do they???? This is either a tease/foiler or it’s unrelated to flight 815.
That being said, we still have never seen the Losties actually be ejected from the plane. So it certainly is possible that this door belongs to the plane that crashed on the Island, and that the Losties never were on that particular plane. The fact that the Others/Mittelos see the crash, respond to it, and then discover all these new inhabitants on the Island help suspend our disbelief and connect the dots that, obviously, the Losties were on that plane. Furthermore, the Losties seek out the plane that has crashed, finding the captain (who we’ve never seen or heard up until that point) and continue to help suspend our disbelief and make us believe that the Losties came from this particular crashed plane. This all could be one complex bait and switch, which would be interesting because it’s the same bait and switch that the Others are experiencing.
There is enought anecdotal evidence that suggests that the Losties could have simply been arranged on the Island by some unseen party. Jack laying unmolested among bamboo, Vincent wandering around free of his animal cage sniffing Jack, Bernard delicately placed in a tree, the tailies finding themselves on the other side of the Island with Cindy the "flight attendant" (perfect place to split the Others attention and observe them working in a coordinated fashion). These are all examples of what DHARMA could do once they successfully made their way back onto the Island. How did they do it? I have no idea. Could you cause an entire cabin full of airline passengers to all fall unconcious at once to carry this out? Absolutely, either through some sort of gas or simply changing cabin pressure. Could DHARMA insert false memories into the passengers? Maybe, or possibly a form of mass hallucination. Currently, we are under the impression that Flight 815 crashed elsewhere and everyone died. This could be more true than we think. With time travel, miraculous healing, and other supernatural events happening on this show, a little super-organized bait and switch might not be too difficult to swallow.
This all has been fun speculation, but the fact remains we haven’t been shown any of this information. I do believe that something has been going on that we aren’t privy to, and I look forward to see how this all has been playing out behind the scenes.
Comment by Higdon — September 2, 2007 @ 10:51 am
I’m pretty sure they were on a plane. Kate said she was conscious during the entire crash …
Comment by Jussin — September 2, 2007 @ 11:31 am
allow me to take the speculation even further with a bunch of uncorroborated assumptions and several jumps-to-conclusions.
here we go:
flight 815 was a hatch like the swan/pearl that was intended to land on the island’s runway that sawyer and kate were working on, however, when Desmond didn’t enter the code in time the plane jumped 50ish days forward in time and crashed during what is now episode one. The plane had six sections just like the six stations of the dharma initiative. The forward cockpit area, midsection and tail were all we have seen thus far, but there was also a special dharma/hanso cargo hold containing sharkington, the hurley bird and the 4 toed foot (which coincidently landed right side up on the beach). The 5th section was a Dharma food drop which was jettisoned when the plane broke up, it was caught up in the time rift and didn’t land for about 35 episodes. The final section was the Observation Room, just like the one in the Pearl Station, complete with it’s own crapper. When Rose said Bernard was in the toilet, he was really in the Pearl/815/Observation room bathroom …because he was a Dharma spy. Just like Cindy, the kids and all the other tailies who were abducted during the first two weeks on the island. They were actually being rescued/extracted from the tailie camp so they wouldn’t ruin the experiment.
No one would have seen the observation room door from the inside of the plane because it was an external door on the outside of the fuselage. The Observation compartment was near the back fo the plane which is why Bernard landed near the tailies. The reason we see the door now is because Bernard is trying to rebuild the Observation room, he has converted Sayid to help him spy on the Losties and fulfill his goal… which is to, um, fill out notebooks and put them in the tube thing, i dunno.
that’s the best i can do
Comment by bohemus — September 2, 2007 @ 11:32 am
Jussin: Even with my convoluted argument you’ll see that I absolutely believe they were on a plane. Just not the one that crashed on the Island.
Comment by Higdon — September 2, 2007 @ 11:50 am
Thanks for sharing what I believe to be the best spoiler to date :) We’ve seen potential for the flight team to have been shifty before. The dark haired/ skinned male flight attendant looked at the camera in a way such as for us to notice him. I believe him to be a clone image to the twin men on the others boat from when Walt was kidnapped. Then, there’s Cindy, who may have been with the "others" from the start.
Comment by Melanie — September 2, 2007 @ 1:06 pm
i found a similar image to the photographed observation room door/hatch here: http://hague1919.blogspot.com/
not sure of what to make of it really, doesn’t seem lost related to me :-
Comment by bauer — September 2, 2007 @ 1:31 pm
that blog was probably created by Darlton as a diversion!
Comment by bohemus — September 2, 2007 @ 1:55 pm
This is LOST so I’m guessing all of these predictions/assumptions of everyone’s are gunna turn out to be wrong including my own..but hey we have to do something "productive" during the hiatus right?? right…
"OBSERVATION ROOM" - Now, even though we can all say that this piece of junk, whatever it may be, looks incredibly like something from the(a) plane, thats not exactly what I thought of when I first saw it..I first thought it might belong to the Listening Station from the season 2 finale where Henrik and Mathias were working for Penny…
PENNY / NAOMI / BOAT PEOPLE - I think Penny and Naomi have both been caught up in the Time Continuum thing…I think the reason why Penny doesn’t know who Naomi is..is because she quite simply just doesn’t know who she is…..yet. When Charlie talks to Penny I think he’s talking to her BEFORE she’s sent out an actual team to search for Desmond so she wouldn’t of known who Naomi was yet…So how DID Penny’s boat people(including Naomi) find their way to the island?? It makes sense that Penny would somehow come in contact with someone who lived on the Island..maybe the real last remaining memeber of the DI?? With all the money the Widmore’s have they paid off this person enough to tell them how to get to the island..He knew there would be no way to get to the island unless a certain electromagnetic happening occured. So Penny set up her clever little Listening Station..(why in the arctic…I have no idea..something to do with the poles) to detect electromagnetic occurrences around the world. Henrik and Mathias called her when her lover-boy turned the key in the swan..THIS is when she sends a boat towards those coordinates given to her from her arctic buddies. Now she actually knows who Naomi is…but like I said before..because of the time warp space thing that happened when dessy turned the key, it set off an alternate timeline taking place in the world outside the island only a short time before the actual island time…so when Charlie was talking to Penny he was sort of crossing some time/space barrier…who knows how that happened…maybe thats really how he died..forget drowning……erm just kidding..
Yes, I know I still didnt explain how the "observation room" door from the listening station ended up on the island…im still working on that one..haha..
BEN - Remember when Ben was informed that Naomi parachuted on the island?? He was majorly surprised or scared or however you wanna view it..but I think that other than the fact that (apparently) no one can get to the island, he was surprised because he knows Naomi (and/or her group on the boat) will have a completely different view of what happend to 815 due to the alternate timeline..He is worried one of them (it happens to be Naomi) will tell the survivors what happened to the flight according to the rest of the world..(this would be her telling hurley "they found flight 815…there were no survivors")..I think Ben might be worried that with the survivors’ knowledge of the time warp/continuum thing, it might interfere with this yet to be revealed Psychology Hatch or Tests thing..??who knows..
http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Psychology_Test_Orientation_Video
one last thing..I also think that we as viewers, fans, critics..whatever..might have misunderstood Ben in TTLG when he says his oh, so great line about everyone on the island dying/being killed. Everyone(and by everyone, I refer to everything I’ve heard in theories and talk..) believes or assumes that the islands inhabitants’ lives will be threatened by those on "Naomi’s Boat"..when really I think Ben might actually mean that by Jack calling the boat, the people on the island will be killed or whatever, by the island itself..or Jacob or whoever is in fact ruling the island and all of its mysteriousness, NOT the people on the boat..because they are in fact the real good guys..sent by Penny..really.
Ok I’m done…that was wayyy too long…and its probably all wrong because of some little detail im forgetting or something…but hey I like thoeries just as much as the next person…so what the hell..
Comment by Benjamin — September 2, 2007 @ 5:30 pm
You know, it would make sence that there was an observation room on the plane if the others had been planing the crash. Cause jack saw Cindy the flight attendant with the others…..and what did she say?!?!?………"were here to watch" So the fight attendants and mabye some of the passengers could have been watching them throughout the whole flight. And the Observation room is where they reported what they saw. ooooooooooo I LOVE THIS SHOW!!
Comment by Dez — September 2, 2007 @ 8:27 pm
If anyone knows where they are currently filming, please email me! I live in Honolulu and have so far only been to a few sets that were long abandoned. I’d love to see a new one.
Comment by Rach — September 2, 2007 @ 10:40 pm
Bohemus - I know what you mean! It even mentions Portland!
Comment by LostintheUK — September 3, 2007 @ 3:04 am
Probably unrelated, and likely to have been discussed before, but just thought it was interesting (in light of all this ‘observation’ discussion) that Jeremy Bentham is one of the names being debated as the ‘man in the coffin’.
Sledgeweb’s LOST STUFF (http://lost.cubit.net/viewEgg.php?id=294), has some interesting information about the ‘famous’ real-life Jeremy Bentham who, as the site explains, invented the Panopticon, a type of prison design. ‘The concept of the design is to allow an observer to observe all prisoners without the prisoners being able to tell if they are being observed or not, thus conveying a "sentiment of an invisible omniscience." ‘
I recommend you visit the page for more details.
I know this is not an explanation of the photos above, but interesting, no?
Sort of fits in with the trend of using the names of real-life historical figures for characters (Locke, Rousseau, Hume, Burke, Bakunin, Alpert)
I dont think we have met the man in the coffin yet…………..but we will..
Also…love their Swan Blast Door Map interpretation (http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2×17/blastDoorMap.jpg) - but cant spot any ‘observation rooms’ can you guys?
Comment by LostintheUK — September 3, 2007 @ 4:00 am
The website bauer listed looks horribly faked, however I did look this up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirk_Polder
Can anyone tell when this wikipedia page was created? I have a feeling it’s another fake.
Comment by Higdon — September 3, 2007 @ 5:52 am
I know it looks a lot like it came from the Oceanic plane, but WHAT IF this door came from Naomi’s helicopter? We don’t know how her heli looks like and how big it was… it could have this kind of paint pattern and big enough so that the door makes sense on the fuselage…
Now, Naomi’s people having a chopper with an "Observation Room" would make a bit more sense… It could be a "Sea King" kind of model.. or even a big russian one…
But, then again… this IS Lost… so… just my 2 cents…
Comment by Lost_in_Brazil — September 3, 2007 @ 6:06 am
I don’t think the plane crash was faked as was suggested. If the ‘observation room’ room door was from another plane that crashed previously, how does this explain charlie going back to the plane collect his stash that he put in the toliet before the turbulence began?
Comment by Vix — September 3, 2007 @ 6:47 am
The door does look like its from an airplane, but do airplanes usually have Observation hatches? Is what we are seeing, a normal occuance in the real world?
Comment by annamorgana — September 3, 2007 @ 9:16 am
There are several considerations to make about the photo’s ; 1, is this a genuine photo taken by someone who ‘ accidentally crossed the line’ ? 2, if it is, is the ‘ obs room ‘ door more significant than the ‘ tresspassing ‘ sign?
I ask cos i’m curious about the positions of the sign & door. If the tresspassing sign is part of the set, it’s a bit randomn considering none of the signs on the show so far are similar - more to the point wouldn’t it be a DHARMA sign? Also if it IS part of the set, maybe it’s an uncompleted one and when it goes to air the door will have been painted ? - is it customary on film sets to position props before completing the detailling? i dunno, what i do know that history tells us that what we see in glimpses of in season1 isn’t clear until season3 so there maybe a long wait to know the truth!
Personnally, i don’t think there’s much you can gain from these photo’s - as interesting as they are - and unless anyone can shed any genuine light on their true significance then all there will ever be is fun speculation!
Comment by Maplemode — September 3, 2007 @ 10:21 am
There are several considerations to make about the photo’s ; 1, is this a genuine photo taken by someone who ‘ accidentally crossed the line’ ? 2, if it is, is the ‘ obs room ‘ door more significant than the ‘ tresspassing ‘ sign?
I ask cos i’m curious about the positions of the sign & door. If the tresspassing sign is part of the set, it’s a bit randomn considering none of the signs on the show so far are similar - more to the point wouldn’t it be a DHARMA sign? Also if it IS part of the set, maybe it’s an uncompleted one and when it goes to air the door will have been painted ? - is it customary on film sets to position props before completing the detailling? i dunno, what i do know that history tells us that what we see in glimpses of in season1 isn’t clear until season3 so there maybe a long wait to know the truth!
Personnally, i don’t think there’s much you can gain from these photo’s - as interesting as they are - and unless anyone can shed any genuine light on their true significance then all there will ever be is fun speculation!
Comment by Maplemode — September 3, 2007 @ 10:21 am
the tresspassing signs were put up by the losties so they wouldnt cross the line Tom talked about in season two.
i’m TOTALLY serious
Comment by bohemus — September 3, 2007 @ 1:13 pm
Doc, I’ve been searching your archives looking for an article you posted on here, but I can’t find it. Basically, there was some guy who worked on the crew of Lost, and he gave you a hint that there may be something going on above the island. Remember he said that there hasn’t been a lot of ariel shots on Lost?
Could this observation door have something to do with that? Could it have fallen from above and is there a whole other world over the island as opposed to under it? Did you post something like this or am I crazy?
Comment by Jon — September 4, 2007 @ 7:29 am
Looks like a door from a cruise ship.
Comment by joeytrain — September 4, 2007 @ 7:35 am
The interior of the plane ‘is’ the observation room, perhaps as seen through some apparatus related to the ‘magic box’ (As to be safe for viewing by the observers).
Comment by JoeLiberty — September 4, 2007 @ 8:55 am
I betting it’s part of the sub the Locke blew up. Subs have observation decks… right?
Comment by KoozyK — September 4, 2007 @ 9:12 am
I say its from Not Pennys Boat
Comment by Jimmy — September 4, 2007 @ 9:19 am
I like the idea of the Obersavation room beeing some how on Flight 815.
Here are some reasons why:
1. DHARMA logo all over the plane wrekage. http://lost.cubit.net/pics/notDharmaLogo.jpg http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/3069/dplaneb0nn.jpg
2. The dude metioned aboved that looked at camera
3. cindy’s "disaperance" when they are bringing swayer back to the beach
3. Cidys reappearnce "Were supposed to watch"
4. The piolts demise by the black smoke
Comment by Rob B in MN — September 4, 2007 @ 5:15 pm
the observation door looks very similar to something in one fot he photos from this site..
http://hague1919.blogspot.com/
http://i2.tinypic.com/6af145u.jpg
and the person in the reflection looks alot like a Dharma worker..
in my opinion.
Comment by herodian — September 5, 2007 @ 6:03 am
yeah but what about how the plane was actually found in a trench near Indonesia (as said by both Anthony Copper and Naomi)
this suggests that either
1) the corportation lied and didn’t actually find the plane (but this is unlikely cos Naomi says that "they sent a probe down etc"
2) the plane was cloned in some way. (this theory is further suggested with the clone bunny rabbits in the Orientation Video for that Station). So in thinking about this, maybe anyone who is taken to the island ALSO exists in the real universe. Maybe Juliet actually EXISTS in both worlds (maybe this is why her sister was so happy and was able to survive the cancer) Maybe Sawyer only killed ONE of the Anthony Coppers and there is in fact another one out there (or maybe he died in the car crash)
of course, maybe this cloning ability does not function now after "the sky went purple"…..
WHATCHA ALL THINK????????
Comment by will07 — September 6, 2007 @ 1:44 am
in addition, i think the volcano wil erupt at the end of the series ultimately destroying the island so no1 can get back there
Comment by will07 — September 6, 2007 @ 1:46 am
I still don’t know why "OBSERVATION ROOM" would be on the outside of a jet plane, but I caught something this morning and posted about it on DarkUFO’s site…
"So I was rewatching Season 3, Exposé to be exact, and for a second or
two it showed the same door on the side of Nikki and Paolo’s tent as
Hurley, Sawyer, and Charlie were looking through it. And it definitely
says OBSERVATION ROOM on it.
Check it out:
http://myskitch.com/krisbush/lost.314.avi-20070906-134322.jpg"
Comment by Kris — September 6, 2007 @ 2:35 pm
Has anyone else noticed that the color and striping on the hatch at the beach scene is the same as the photo taken of the "Observation Room" photo in the next blog entry?
Comment by FairhopeAlabama — September 13, 2007 @ 9:22 am
I think that whoever said this door might be part of the sub that locke blew up might be right im going with that theory.
I seriously doubt the plane crash was set up, how could any say who would actually survive i mean you cant plan precisely who will live and who will die when i plane crashes.
In the next episode or possible episode 3 its going to show the probe finding flight 815 in the trench with the passengers dead onboard or so ive heard. There are also rumours of the body claimed to be the pilots is in fact not the pilots body at all, and this is pointed out by someone who has something to do with the ‘not pennys boat’ people, these are rumours ive heard and so might not be 100% true. The ‘not pennys boat’ people have been picked out especially for their specific talents and they are somehow connected with flight 815 or the people on 815. Well thats what ive heard anyway, all of which has me intregued and dying to see the next episode.
Im lost on this Cindy the stewardess bit, i swear ive seen every episode but i cannot place this character at all, what episdoe do i need to watch again???
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