My ‘Lost’ Duplicates Theory Lives!
It’s okay folks, I will definitely accept the apologies from all of you who said my duplicate theory was nuts - without too much of an ‘I told you so sneer.’ Of course, the joke could be on me, you never know, but I take the Orchid Orientation film as canon. Hey, after all, Carlton and Damon said so. So what does this imply? For a round of speculation, that may be mildly spoilerish, click on through.
Here’s the first idea. The bunnies can’t touch each other. Anybody who ever watched Back to the Future knows why that is. Second, Casimir effect, which we already established will stabilize a wormhole. But, why is that significant? Without getting too deep, lets just say this dovetails with my duplicate theory that brought me so much ridicule. A wormhole can be a nice place to hide from changes in time and space.
So once more, with feeling, here is my theory of what has gone on so far, and what season four might be presenting us with, based on the new clues of the Orchid outtakes:
The Speculation
Shortly after Ben’s takeover of Dharma, the Others shield the island by bending time space. Kelvin and Radzinsky are aware of what has happened. Realizing they are stranded, and not willing to fill the Others in on the instability of the Swan hatch for fear the lunatics will use it, Radzinsky succumbs to the no-win situation and kills himself. (Remember, the producers have admitted that the Others did not know what was going on with the Swan hatch.) Years pass, Kelvin dutifully continues to press the button, but sleep deprivation, alcoholism, and general poor health take its toll and he dies.
Without anyone to push the button, the Swan melts down. It turns out the swan is controlling a work hole with an infinite field effect. Without discharging excess energy, the field continues to grow, creating a localized time loop. Read Amos Ori for a little more detail on how/why this is possible.
For whatever reason, if the time loop continues it will result in the collapse of the universe. Particularly if the meltdown happens again. Enter, the time cops. Aka, Brother Campbell and Mrs. Hawking.
We can assume Brother C and Mrs. Hawking are some sort of multidimensional being (aren’t we all? Read “The Holographic Universe”) with the ability to see the cataclysms that await. With their ability to see time as a whole, they seek out someone whose time line they can nudge in such a way that this person will wind up on the island before Kelvin dies and by fate (or by “making their own luck”) deliver on the island a supply of people who can, in theory, continue to push the button until they are able to figure out a more permanent solution. Enter Desmond and his first encounter with this time cops, Brother Campbell.
Avoid the meltdown, alter the time line, destroy the loop.
The problem is, this not only did not happen, but the results of John Locke losing faith caused Desmond to initiate the failsafe, which is itself a controlled meltdown creating yet another loop. His second time through life, Desmond is confronted by Mrs. Hawking, who again nudges him off his timeline and towards the island yet again. He is only aware that he is repeating his life up to the point where events in his history differ.
Evidence? Is there an explanation for why Desmond felt he did something wrong when he first came to after his flash experience? Was his woe over missing the opportunity to remain with Penny, or for turning the key and failing to save the universe?
So, in simple terms, here is where I’m at so far. In the original timeline, Oceanic 815 crashes in the ocean, Kelvin dies, Swan melts down, wash, rinse, repeat.
Brother C and Mrs. M look at time and say, hmm, if we nudge this guy’s time line like so, he winds up in the hatch, and instead of these people dying in vain, they wind up on the island as much needed backup.
The consequences come into play when the execution of the failsafe creates another cycle. The island being a privileged frame, you know have a mixture of two worlds. Because in the third loop, Desmond is on the island pushing the button so 815 crashes. We have dealt with Desmond’s visions of the future as a result of him traveling through the loop, and we have dealt slightly with his memory of a changed past, but not what impact that had on the grand scale. The plane crash, which was originally fatal, was going to happen either way because of course correction.
With this theory, what we have been watching, since season one, is the second iteration of the time loop. We might have seen some parts of the original linear events in the on-island flashbacks. Further more, since the finale, we are seeing in linear island time, but without their knowledge, the world outside the privileged field has gone through a third cycle and Oceanic 815 has again crashed in the ocean.
Judging by the level of Hollowax’s panic over the rabbits touching each other, I’m guessing Dharma’s fear of the Oceanic 815 survivors exiting the privileged field and bumping about would be pretty large. Murderously large.
The question is, was the Swan the only way of manipulating the field. Is there a natural force on the island? Could this explain why Richard ‘apparently’ had not aged? It is very possible that even though Ben and company were not aware of the Swan’s capabilities to control the field, that they were aware of what was going on outside the island and their mission to ‘The Temple’ was an attempt to correct it. New allegiances? Doubles? Hit squads? Ancient races? Can you feel the possibilities?









This isn’t so much a problem with your theory as it is with the show. How come Desmond living his life through again didn’t alter a single thing up to turning the failsafe key? I mean, I guess, it could have altered stuff outside of the timeloop and not affected the Island events. But shouldn’t there be two Desmond’s now?
Comment by Nathaniel White — July 30, 2007 @ 8:39 pm
Wow! That is brilliant. Who knows if its true, but brilliant nonetheless, and definitely possible.
“Only fools are enslaved by time and space,” and my guess is that Brother C and Mrs. H are no fools!
Perhaps since they are not enslaved by time and space - maybe the island is their true home, where they belong. Given the time loop possibility, could Bro C and Mrs. H be Adam and Eve?
The time loop theory is def. foreshadowed by mrs. H’s ourobouros (sp?) pin, AND… (I hadn’t thought of this until now) Danielle’s interation repeating for 16 years!
I like your theory, Doc! Definitely some great possibilities there!
Comment by Jeff — July 30, 2007 @ 9:35 pm
Well this is totally crazy but what if they aren’t flashforwards. What if those are off island Jack and Kate. Maybe thats why Charlie had to die. Maybe thats why each one of these people is being drawn towards death. Shannon,Charlie,Boone. They are all mysteriously killed by visions, crazy dogs, or flash forwards. Maybe the course correction is that all these people must die. I dont believe a word of that but it was just a crazy idea I thought of. Hahaha.. I’d actually be pissed if that was it. Their purpose was not to survive… but to die! DUN DUN DUUNNNNNN!!!
Comment by Jalocke — July 30, 2007 @ 9:46 pm
Another idea here, one could hypothesize that the clone rabbit would be made of antimatter, and if it came into contact with its matter component it would explode with enough energy to power NYC for 100,000 years. Thats actually fact. 1 kg of antimatter combined with 1 kg of matter could power NYC for 100,000 years. Antimatter isn’t just for Star Trek anymore, its real.
Comment by Jalocke — July 30, 2007 @ 9:56 pm
Must we be reminded to not use the word theory?
It’s an interesting concept; however, you must keep in mind that the show requires a great deal of parsimony since it’s story is running on limited time, and the space needed to explain this event in these terms might not be sufficient.
Comment by D — July 30, 2007 @ 10:35 pm
I think that is a reasonably satisfying speculation, and I wouldn’t mind if aspects of that were true. The problem for me in that theory, is that I was buying into the survivors being brought to the island for specific individual reasons. I’m not sure what the best way to articulate this is……like John Locke’s special connection to the island and Jacob, or how Jack and Kate become Adam and Eve (although come to think of it-that fits pretty well with your theory).
I would just hope the interlocking of their storylines and backstories doesn’t end up as a sideshow to a Desmond centered answer. After all he was barely in the first season…(and I adore Desmond btw.)
Comment by 80sKatie — July 30, 2007 @ 10:54 pm
Im so confused after reading that but its a v. Good theory!!
Comment by Willow — July 31, 2007 @ 1:44 am
And this is why Libby gave him the boat. She is a part of all this too. Dharma? The numbers and Hurley. I dunno, they have something to do with this, as well. Jake and Kate have to go back…they don’t belong in the real world because they are dead!
Comment by Michael — July 31, 2007 @ 6:03 am
I’m lost. (no pun intended)
I’m sure it’s a nice theory, but I hope it’s not that complicated.
Comment by fish — July 31, 2007 @ 6:38 am
Not sure if I am feeling the possibilities or the three bean salad from last night.
This is a perfect setup for the events to reboot once Jack resets the loop that allows him to get back to the crash. This would mean that we need to prepare ourselves for the re-establishment of Dharma control over the island and the rebuilding of the Dharma stations.
Comment by TabulaRasa — July 31, 2007 @ 6:50 am
You’ve got an amazing imagination! You should truly be on the staff of writers for the show.
Comment by Shaun — July 31, 2007 @ 7:13 am
I think the numbers still have alot to do with this. If you notice the rabbit that they showed to Sawyer had the number 8 on it. The 2nd number (2nd iteration?) of the numbers 4 8 15 16 23 42…….Now in this latest video….the rabbit number is 15…..will we see another rabbit later on with the number 16 on it…then 23…..then 42 (last iteration of time loop)…..Iteration seems like it had an importance since the beggining with the radio man saying…ITERATION….blah blah blah….THERE ARE NO COINCIDENCES ON THE ISLAND! BLAH BLAH BLAH
Comment by Alex — July 31, 2007 @ 7:47 am
Also, ummmm good theory. And I think that the whispers are from people that are also on the island but in a differnt time loop. Also, for some reason, i believe everyone on the island is in on it. Everyone knows what is going on and why they are on the island but they dont know that the other persons knows…I dont konw that would be wierd…also maybe they know whats going on but things change repeatedly…but that would leave to much to question. I think Jack and Kate are the same person…no im just kidding about that one…but one day Jack will be inside of Kates body if u know what i mean
Comment by Alex — July 31, 2007 @ 7:54 am
Good theory, however, could the time loop instead be a shifting between alternate realities? The rescued survivors are placed into the lives of their alternate versions, as they all died in the plane crash. This gives them ll a second chance to live a different life. Evidenced by Jack’s dad alive and Kate not in prison. However Jack is unable to accept the “new life” as he cannot live with the deception.
Comment by Matt — July 31, 2007 @ 8:09 am
I’ve got a theory
That it’s a demon…
Comment by MrWho — July 31, 2007 @ 8:12 am
The Back to the Future reference is a little off - Doc warned Marty about seeing himself because if his past self knew of the future he might try to alter events (like Biff did). I somehow doubt the rabbit in Candle’s arms thought “Hmm in the future I end up on that shelf, I should try to avoid that.”
Comment by icyone — July 31, 2007 @ 10:09 am
Isn’t all of this sounding a little “Donny Darko”?
You’re playing around with these time fields which have obviously gone wrong and the result? A plane crashes, you get visions of dead people pushing you to particular acts, the storyline gets played in a nonlinear format. Too farmiliar….
Your observations seem entirely possible, though it seems these things have been done before and not that long ago. Perhaps the show should be called “Lost in the Darko”.
Comment by Stevesy — July 31, 2007 @ 10:25 am
Neat theories, but I fear that anything having to do with a time loop is going to make for a poor series ending. Anything along the lines of “X and Y never really happened, it was just crazy wormhole shenannigans” - even if was just a few scenes or episodes that took place in the erased history - is going to leave the audience disgruntled and unsatisfied.
Comment by Mr. Tom — July 31, 2007 @ 10:29 am
GOD I miss the show! BUt I’m getting the feeling that the shows writers are just pulling ideas out of their ass. Or smoking too much of that Maui Waui. My humble opinion.
Comment by Connie Linguis — July 31, 2007 @ 12:54 pm
Wow!
Somewhere some professor is going to try to teach a class about the scientific theories contained in “Lost”. I’d take that class any day!
Comment by Robb — July 31, 2007 @ 1:44 pm
I don’t think there’s going to be all sorts of time shenanigans on the show. It’s too hard to demonstrate on television show without having a character explain everything, and that’s approaching the Joop the monkey scenario Darlton joke about. There’s definitely something funny going on with time, but I think it will be much more simple and grokable to the average viewer.
Regarding the poster who talked about the second rabbit being made out of anti-matter, and that’s why the rabbits aren’t allowed to touch… no. Anti-matter particles don’t have exact matter particle partners elsewhere: any anti-proton can collide with a proton to turn into energy; same thing with positrons and electrons. If that rabbit really was made of anti-matter it would have instantly become a large burst of radiation.
As for the criticism that the Lost writers are just pulling bizarre ideas out of their asses, I doubt it. Their answers at Comicon strong suggest that they know exactly what’s going on, to the point that they know what will come out in Rousseau’s flashbacks and what on-island events the flashbacks have to line up with in order for them to have full impact.
Comment by hexonxonx — July 31, 2007 @ 2:04 pm
LOST 101……
better yet
LOST 4815162342
Comment by Alex — July 31, 2007 @ 2:07 pm
Sounds good to me. Only question would be…
Doesn’t this mean the island has to have some sort of “special” properties then for sure? I mean in order for these experiments to work the location would have to matter, you couldn’t just create wormholes anywhere! Or could you? So my question to you Doc based off your great theory, where do you think the island is? We know two planes have flown by it, a massive slave ship has come near, and if she is telling the truth a French vessel, along with Desmond/Libby’s Elizabeth. And a helicopter crashed in. And a submarine (we don’t know for sure) has access to it. What’s drawing these things in? Do you have an explanation for the monster at all?
Comment by cekma — July 31, 2007 @ 2:17 pm
really well thought out.
I think that jalockes idea goes along very well with yours. The 3rd season finale would make much more sense if something like these ideas were true. The reason Jack is worried about whoever died is because they were on the island, and he knows why they are dead, because of the course corrections. That’s why he wants to get back to the island…to save himself
Comment by ninhoic — July 31, 2007 @ 2:43 pm
Well doc not only is richard not ageing, it ties in with hurley not losing weight. Maybe the way they entered the worm hole is how they have to remain? But then again physical features are still the same and Claire gave birth, then again the women on the island are unable to reproduce which makes sense since you aren’t actually in any timeline. So does Juliet know that? Or is it only a select few of the others and Ben.
Comment by laxplaya1346 — July 31, 2007 @ 4:28 pm
Well going from a strictly scientific thing then yes. You are correct. Anti-matter does not have a direct correlation to actual matter. But lets say we were on a hmmm… tv show? Then maybe we could say… bend the rules?
Also as a note I was very tired when I wrote that. I agree I made a mistake when explaining that. I do hope the show is completely scientifically fool proof but we all know it won’t be. Unless they are all insanse. But that would suck…
Comment by Jalocke — July 31, 2007 @ 4:55 pm
Wow… Some of you guys are really smart! I love that this show which I completely love and am totally obsessed with is watched by really smart individuals. Doc, what you’re saying is awesome. I have always felt that there is a time loop going on, but how do you explain all the connections to each others lives the characters have on the show? That isn’t a coincidence. If this flight was chosen because it was going to crash anyway, why is everyone on the plane connected in some way? One of my biggest hopes for the show is that the flash-forward scene we saw at the end of Season 3 is not necessarily the outcome of the show, but just a possibility of what could be. I think your theory backs me up. Do you feel the same way?
Comment by islandgirl329 — July 31, 2007 @ 7:52 pm
This to me point toward the Swan implosion resulting in des being slingshotted through time.
Also shows that Dharma was working on time experiments.
So what if Miss H and MR C are Dharma people who excaped through time to attempt corse corrections only to come to the conclusion that time corrects itself so to get them selves back in time they have to wait for events to unfold as fate would have happen.
The wispers could also then be either people who are out of phase with current time as a result of an experiment, as it was stated in babylon 5 they are UNstuck in time and drifting from time to time.
Also I would guess that Orchid predated the Swan,and that the swan was designed to contain an anomoly created by orchid. Or maybe the anomoly was powering the Orchid?
Also if this is a time loop then I would say this would be the first iteration of time where flight 815 landed on the island (hence 815 was found in ocean no survivors) and who knows how many loops the island has been through but Jacob my have been presentsince the beginning and it explains his adversion to technology
Comment by Nemesise1977 — July 31, 2007 @ 9:37 pm
No offense, Doc, but your theory is probably another one of those crackpot theories. And here’s why - I’ve seen complicated theories (some good, and some not so good), but regardless, when they are complicated, I have yet to see any of the complicated theories on the show.
The time loop theory I’m not convinced of - I have seen no evidence of it, but I have only seen Desmond relive a portion of his life.
And a wormhole, I can expect an astronomer to explain it, but I don’t expect Lost to explain it because it’s a TV show intended to entertain not only college students but to audiences of a larger scale. Even with the book references to wormholes don’t explain what is going on with the Island, but instead seem to be a bunch of inconspicuous Easter Eggs just to mess with our heads.
Comment by sk8rpro — July 31, 2007 @ 9:56 pm
Docs theory seems a little complicated, I think it will be something simpler and yet harder to guess. However having seen the Orchid video with the rabbit duplication, I think it could be entirely possible that when 815 came in contact with the increased magnetic field, caused by Desmond not pressing the button in time, perhaps somehow created a duplicate plane was created, which crashed on the island, with the original one crashing in the ocean, as Naiomi said in the last series.
As such they are all duplicates created by the island with the ‘originals’ all dead under the ocean somewhere. What implications this would have, I dont know, but it could certaily explain why the ‘new’ Locke can walk and why Rose no longer has cancer
Any takers?
Comment by adamthfc — August 1, 2007 @ 2:36 am
I think time doest run in the island…and one of the biggest shocks probably(sorry if it’s a spoiler) would be that when everyone gets back, everything will be the same as they left it. Desmond gets back from the boat race to win it. It’s hard to swallow this, because we’ve seen that Ben shows that Boston Red Sox won the world series. but if Desmond can see the future on the Island, why cant the characters go back to their homes, while knowing the future? I think time doesnt run on the island and that Rose has cancer, but it’s not worsening. The babies and women die because possibly the baby doest develop. ALthough, this would really go agaisnt Aaron being born and growing up. Possibly the injection helped Aaron develop? Growth Hormone? I dont know…but just taking a shot….cock
Comment by Alex — August 1, 2007 @ 10:42 am
I still feel like these Dharma Names should mean something.
Swan
Pearl
Flame
Arrow
Looking Glass
Orchid
What is the connection. Pearl you can make a vague reference to a crystal ball or something that can see in on other people.
Flame? Maybe smoke signals? Communication?
Looking Glass?
Orchid?
Swan?
We still have no idea why they named them these things. I mean with all the stuff on LOST these references must mean something.
Comment by Jalocke — August 1, 2007 @ 2:15 pm
White Rabbit Episode…Season 1
Sorry says….to Kate….”Well It’s About Time…I made this birthday wish FOUR years ago”….hmm maybe the lost writers knew what to do with the show as a whole since the beggining. FOUR years ago..Kate and Sawyer…hmm…sexuallll healing sexual sexual …sexual heeaaalling…lol
anyway
episode is White Rabbit…and White Rabbit is Jacks Father…White Rabbit had a watch around his neck…does Jacks father control time? FATHER time??? Hhhhmmmm
OOOHHH babbbbbyyy…..that SEXUAL HEALINGGG…
Comment by Chulo — August 1, 2007 @ 2:49 pm
I think you meant Sawyer. Anyway, I just noticed something…Has anyone ever noticed how the Sun and Moon were never shown on the Lost Island? Unless I am mistaken, where is the Sun? and where is the Moon? This might have to do with Ben saying no one can find the island, and space time continum crap..and all that nonsense…..
Comment by Alex — August 1, 2007 @ 2:52 pm
the only sun and moon is see on the island is
SUN…the character…
and JIN…which could be YIN = moon (in chinese)
Comment by Alex — August 1, 2007 @ 2:55 pm
If this is what the show is all about, you’ll be the only one watching by season 6.
Comment by Jeff — August 1, 2007 @ 4:46 pm
Whoa Chulo! You are on to something! I had completely forgotten about that line that Sawyer used on Kate, but how could he have wished for that 4 years ago when he didn’t know Kate 4 years ago???? Oh wow… is this really big or am I just in withdrawal from missing my weekly fix? Doc, Jeff, Nemesise, any of you superbrains out there - please answer this one because the way I’m looking at it, that is a SUPER good clue!!!!
Comment by islandgirl329 — August 1, 2007 @ 6:18 pm
This is a good theory, but like many others it doesn’t explain everything that’s happening on the island.
What about the Black Smoke? If everything can be explained scientifically, how do you explain a sentient cloud of smoke capable of taking the form of people or animals, and scanning someone’s thoughts? You could say it’s a mass hallucination, but how can a hallucination be stopped by a physical barrier?
It makes some sense to believe time is suspended or altered on the island, but if it is, how could a baby be born or a child (Alex) grow up? These are both suggestions of a normal linear progression of time. Shouldn’t both Clair and Danielle be pregnant forever?
Comment by Los — August 1, 2007 @ 9:12 pm
thats why i mentioned the injection…they both got injected…..remember, the women that werent injected died….maybe because baby didnt develop…leaving a dead fetus in them…killing the …they got sick…..means aids is spreading…
Comment by Chulo — August 1, 2007 @ 10:46 pm
As many of you know I do love coming up with crazy complex theories but what I have learned as a theorist is that LOST’s greatness is its simplicity. I believe theories allow us to exercise our minds, but that they are almost never true. If there are duplicates then its something easier. I love this theory. Its really cool. I’d totally make a show around this, but I believe that it’ll be something much simpler that will make me smash my head into a wall for not figuring out.
Comment by Jalocke — August 2, 2007 @ 8:51 am
it’s a good theory, or a good read at least for the hard core fans who are going through withdrawal.
but it’s too complicated for a tv show. the bulk of the viewers are like my mom who watch every week but have no idea this huge online discussion is going on. those fans would not get this plot development…not to mention, how do they write it so it doesn’t sound ridiculous?
i think some of this sounds great but it will have to be simplified for the viewing public.
JR
Comment by JR — August 2, 2007 @ 10:21 am
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Comment by chulo — August 3, 2007 @ 4:16 am
Well this would certainly explain the existence of three Penny & Desmond photos.
Comment by Lady J — August 3, 2007 @ 3:21 pm
Earlier in this chain, someone suggested that instead of time loops, there are multiple realities involved. This seems to fit several of the developments better than the time loop theory. For example, in the last episode we find out at the end that Jack’s “flashback” is actually after he’s returned from the island, and that his father is apparently alive, and that Kate is apparently no longer a fugitive. This would tend to indicate an alternate reality (i.e. parallel universe), particularly when one considers that Jack tells Kate that they need to get back, that they’re not supposed to be here, and that he’s tired of lying. It appears that the “survivors” are dying, as Ben predicted, which would tie-in with way the universe has a way of “course correcting”, since it would appear that they’ve returned to a parallel reality in which their counterparts actually died in the plane crash; recall the woman that landed on the island and that recognized Desmond stated that the plane was found, and everyone was dead.
Furthermore, the episode in which Jack’s tatoo was explained, indicated that Jack was going to be a great leader, and that the tatoo reads “He walks among them, but he is not one of them”. Initially this seemed to relate to Jack now walking among the so-called Others, but as of the last episode, it appears that he is now walking among people that are in an alternate reality (including his father who’s no longer dead). It could be that we have yet to see Jack’s great leadership qualities - maybe he needs to lead the survivors back to the island. Perhaps the island is a nexus between parallel universes, and Desmond’s visions, and the various whispering voices, are just glimpses of events transpiring in parallel realities.
I do think there is a time component involved as well to some degree, but not necessarily time loops. It could be that the various parallel worlds progress at different rates in relation to each other and time on the island. For example, in the episode in which Juliette gets recruited, she’s shown a scan of a twenty-something year old’s reproductive system that she initially thought to be that of a seventy year old; could be a time dilation effect related to pregnancies conceived on the island and that aren’t properly reflected across the parallel universes since conception occurred in this “special frame”. Also, we recently saw the same man that recruited Juliette appear in the island Jungle to Ben when Ben was a boy, and tell him that he needed to be patient and that he would have to wait a long time - we then see him return when Ben is now middle aged, but this man has not aged at all - perhaps he left the island and spent time in a parallel world in which time passes more slowly, so that by the time he returned, he had barely aged compared to Ben.
Ben’s reluctance to let people leave the island could be because they can’t really control which parallel world they return to, and they don’t want to alter realities in some uncontrolled way (e.g. by causing duplicates of various individuals to suddenly appear) - causing some catastrophic universal course correction.
Comment by cs — August 5, 2007 @ 7:18 pm
I like this idea. Time loops always make for good fun.
Those saying that it would be too complicated a concept to appeal or explain to joe public are looking into the ‘how’s’ and ‘why’s’ far too deeply.
Groundhog Day was a brilliant film about a time loop which didn’t attempt to explain the ‘how’ of the loop or the ‘why’ of only Bill Murray remembering. It simply demonstrated that things repeated and offered no reason for it.
If a character on the show explained that “due to the naturally occuring Casimir effect on the island, a hole in the space-time continuum has been stabilised enough to allow for a safe haven for scientists to be created inside, thus protecting them from the effects of a timeloop that is now on it’s nth iteration that is causing events from previous iterations to coincide along the same temporal axis” then most people would indeed switch off or be left confused because many wouldn’t be able to cope with the influx of information.
But tell them “The island is in a wormhole which protects it from the effects of a Groundhog Day like time loop” and many more people would understand (provided they’ve seen Groundhog Day, obviously, but you get my point) without feeling the need to ask further question, while the more intelligent amongst us can, if we wish (which we obviously do or we’d not be on these boards), build up a clearer picture using the snippets of evidence we’ve been given; Casimir effect etc.
That’s what I love about this show; it gives as much information as is necessary for the average viewer to understand what’s going on and enjoy the narrative and adventure, but expands on it via other media, such as the on-line game, and gives more information that expands knowledge without spoiling storylines, i.e. finding out what DHARMA stands for.
I for one certainly hope that the conclusion of the show is horribly convoluted and complex, they are so much more enjoyable than “It was a dream”, “they were all dead” or “they are clones”.
Comment by JanJan the Wonder Man — August 6, 2007 @ 7:08 am
Kate may no longer be a fugitive, but she is such a good con that it doesn’t take a multiple realilty to pull that off, just a little cash to buy a fake ID, if she finds that pulling one off a dead body again is just too risky.
Comment by Odette — August 7, 2007 @ 10:12 pm
WHILE AN INTERESTING THEORY, IT WOULD BE AGAINST THE SPIRIT OF THE SHOW TO REST UPON SUCH A PROFOUNDLY EGG-HEAD THEORY. THERE WILL NEVER BE THE MENTION OF THE WORD ‘WORM-HOLE - TIME SPACE ETC’ ON ‘LOST.’ IT JUST WOULDN’T BE RIGHT. IT’S NOT STAR TREK FOR GOD’S SAKE. THE ULTIMATE RESOLOUTION WILL RELY ON MORE MYSTICAL FORCES - much more in keeping with the show.
Comment by lYNCH — August 9, 2007 @ 3:01 pm
ok, a few theories of mine that sort of tie in with yours…. bear with me!
1st, ben alluded to their being much worse "things" on the island than the others, and i’m pretty sure theres a 3rd group of people on the island, possibly the much worse things…
2nd, it was also put out there (i’m not sure by whom) that the smoke monster (i know, a whole other theory thread there) guards the passageways to the under-something, not only the entrances so the losties cant get in, but also the exits….
also, all the losties seem to be remorseful or repenting choices they had made pre-crash.
so…. my theory is that the 3rd group who lives underground is actually duplicates of the losties (and therefore the others although we dont know enough about them to prove it) who embody all the evil in them. hence why the smoke monster scans people and locke and eko lived. the monster knew they were the "good" versions of themselves.
this was all prompted by the training video thats been released for season 4 (which s/b starting in february for those that were asking) where they are trying so hard for the duplicate bunnies not to see each other.
so, to further my crazy theories, i think jack is in the casket and his double goes to the funeral (not really family and not a friend) and tells kate they are living a lie since he is living jacks life. also this would explain why jacks father seems to be alive as well…..
Comment by tammyj. — September 28, 2007 @ 7:43 am
@ TammyJ ….. This sure is food for thought.
I have always found it curious that the black and white (light and
dark), opposites (us and them) theme seems to run through the series.
Locke talking Backgammon with Walt, Jack finding the black and white
stones in Adam’s pocket (in the cave), The Black Smoke and the White
Polar Bears. The Black Smoke seems hugely technological and being
black represents the dark and Jacob who is so ‘clean and white’ he is
invisable is the complete opposite - a technophobe according to dear
old Ben. Then again The Black Smoke has also been seen as White Light
(Locke says he saw it and it was beautiful and the smoke went white
when Juliette and Kate were hiding from it).
Your ‘good’ and ‘evil’ versions have added a new dimension to my
ramblings - use them don’t use ‘em!
As for explaining things to the viewers - For the most part if the
public as a whole is told that something is “A” in a TV show then
they simply believe and accept it quite willingly. A handful will
question it but if the writers are clever (and these buggers
certainly are) the convoluted links, characters and elements
when combined will make the explanation appear plausible to the
sceptics. I cannot help but believe that all this has been plotted
out carefully by the writers and that the stories have been bolstered
for each episode - but the reasons and explanations are already there.
All the details (it’s all in the details Sunshine!!) are there to
make the explanations more plausible.
Oh dear does this sounds like a load of drivel? It has been a long
day …. I’m out of here.
Comment by LOSTinSA — January 28, 2008 @ 7:39 am
THERE WAS ONE EPISODE WHEN CLAIR SAW HERSELF AND ETHAN FROM ANOTHER ANGLE WHICH APPEARED IN REALTIME STYLE SHOT. APART FROM THAT WELL THEY WERE RESEARCHING THE SIDE EFFECT, OR THE BUNNY WHO LEFT THE SHORE, MAYBE THEY COULD BE BROUGHT TO THE ISLAND BUT NEVER LEAVE TOO, IF THE BUNNY WAS BORN HERE OR ELSEWHERE WHO KNOWS
MARVIN ALWAYS LOOKS PISD OF THO. YEAH BEN HAS TO LEAVE THRU HIS CUBOARD WHEN THE ISLAND MOVES TO WORK OUT THE NEXT CO-ORDINATE, SIDE EFFECT=2 DIFFERENT TIMES CAUSED BY THE BEND IN NAVIGATION/COMPASS/SUNLIGHT SCATTERS/LOOK NORTH IF THE ISLAND TURNS/MOVES NOWONDER ITS OFF CORSE WE ALL KNOW MATTER & ANTI MATTER WOULD EXPLODE BUT EVEN SEPERATELY SHOULDNT THE RABITS DIE? OH NO THEY HAVE CONSTANT BUNNY RABBITS LOL, THE OTHER NUMBERED RABITS
HOW DID THEY MOVE THAT BUNNY ANYWAY… THEY MADE BENS CUBOARD FOR HIM DIDNT THEY?
Comment by M — May 23, 2008 @ 3:59 pm