LOST’s Hoffs/Drawler Anagram
Those creative folks behind LOST were good enough to give us a very early indication of what was going on with Jack in the form of an Anagram. The name of the funeral parlor, Hoffs/Drawlar is an anagram for, ready for this? ‘Flashforward’
Props to those of you who caught this elsewhere already. I imagine with the wave of scrutiny there are going to be a lot of dupes for this episode. None-the-less, I’ll continue to post eggs as I find em.
If you have easter eggs of your own, post them in this thread! I’ve been obsessing over Ben’s journal most of the morning. Most of it is pretty dry. Something about a conversation with R(ichard) and M(ikhail), concerns over tactical resources since leaving the village, a line about T(om)’s agenda which seems a little seditious.
Another nod to personages of historical significance to LOST’s themes took place at the radio tower. If you read Doc Jensen’s Wednesday article and caught the nod to a physicist named Minkowski, who had some ideas on time/space that might be of interest to alternate time line folks.
A lot of times I think the writers put shit like this in, because they know you guys have nothing better to do than sit around and speculate.
I can’t wait til next season, so I can watch 90% of your theories be proven wrong. I love the site Doc, can’t wait for 08!
Comment by dylan@alolzer.com — May 24, 2007 @ 9:10 am
Doc, I love you and your site…but I saw this on lostpedia last night.
Comment by Mark — May 24, 2007 @ 9:17 am
OH MAN Alex & I have some pretty insightful findings into LOST. We looked up the origin of the name JACOB which is biblical… here are some facts about Bible Jacob:
He had a twin brother who he fought for power with his whole life
His 12th and final son was named Benjamin
Benjamin’s mother DIED while giving birth to him!
WHAT?????!
PERHAPS because LOST Ben killed his father, Jacob became a father figure to him…
Comment by AL — May 24, 2007 @ 9:19 am
That doesn’t surprise me Mark. That’s why I didn’t take credit.
Comment by DocArzt — May 24, 2007 @ 9:24 am
Drew and Mike in Detroit 101.1 got all their information first hand. This was already talked about this week. There are suppose to be 3 anagrams in this episode alone. I know the other one was in the Looking Glass and I am looking for one in the Radio Tower.
Comment by Joeytrain — May 24, 2007 @ 9:25 am
Jacob’s Eyes Again?
Comment by TabulaRasa — May 24, 2007 @ 9:38 am
I have 2 questions: 1.) Why make an anagram with an extra letter? Drawla is a feasible last name for the funeral home, the extra r does not fit in flash forward.
2.) When do Jacob’s eyes appear?
Comment by PurdueBen — May 24, 2007 @ 9:48 am
i dont know if anyone got a screen cap on the newspaper clipping, but i was trying to read it. The only important thing i could come up with was the body of J……. Found. Because of a properly placed crease. It was either a Ja or a Jo from what i could tell. Could this mean James Sawyer or John Locke?
Comment by Matt — May 24, 2007 @ 9:50 am
i dont know if anyone got a screen cap on the newspaper clipping, but i was trying to read it. The only important thing i could come up with was the body of J……. Found. Because of a properly placed crease. It was either a Ja or a Jo from what i could tell. Could this mean James Sawyer or John Locke?
Comment by Matt — May 24, 2007 @ 9:50 am
This site is great. Dude, just cause lostpedia had that anagram on their site first, that’s not really a big deal is it? it was on here this morning, isn’t that enough?
hey dylan, they’re just theories. And don’t say “you guys.” are you not on here speculating, or reading speculations? maybe you’re just here to trash people cause you have nothing better to do. grow up.
Keep up the good work Dr. I have no complaints.
Comment by mike — May 24, 2007 @ 10:14 am
This site is great. Dude, just cause lostpedia had that anagram on their site first, that’s not really a big deal is it? it was on here this morning, isn’t that enough?
hey dylan, they’re just theories. And don’t say “you guys.” are you not on here speculating, or reading speculations? maybe you’re just here to trash people cause you have nothing better to do. grow up.
Keep up the good work Dr. I have no complaints.
Comment by mike — May 24, 2007 @ 10:15 am
PurdueBen,
They are really Jack’s eyes watching Kate pull up in his rear view mirror at the airport. When you make a copmarison to the shot of Jacob’s eyes in “the Man Behind the Curtain” these shots are very similar.
They are close enough to have me refining my theory of Jacob.
Comment by TabulaRasa — May 24, 2007 @ 10:51 am
I’ve got a screen cap of the newspaper article and I’m doing my best to decipher the first two paragraphs. Here is what I have so far…
Man found d____ downtown loft
The body of Jo__ _antham of
New York was uncovered shortly after 4
a.m. in the __________ of Grand
Avenue.
Tod (Ted?) ____ a de_____ ____ __man at The
Tower (2 words) __le_ heard loud
noises (3-4 words) _antham
Comment by MerlboroMan — May 24, 2007 @ 10:52 am
There are 2 R’s in forward
Comment by Sam — May 24, 2007 @ 10:53 am
well, at least this egg will shut up that guy who was adamantly denying that what we were seeing last night were flashbacks. sheesh
Comment by jimmyzer00 — May 24, 2007 @ 10:54 am
well, at least this egg will shut up that guy who was adamantly denying that what we were seeing last night were flash-forwards. sheesh
Comment by jimmyzer00 — May 24, 2007 @ 10:55 am
see what i did there?
Comment by jimmyzer00 — May 24, 2007 @ 10:56 am
Just a note to the person wondering why they have an extra “R” in the anagram for “Flash Forward”. Its because it needs 2 R’s as you can see in your own text
Comment by Dan — May 24, 2007 @ 10:57 am
I really don’t think who died mattered - the point I think to be made was that when Ben said “all your people will die” we assumed that he meant right away. Perhaps the death of the unnamed person is a sign to Jack that Ben was right - perhaps others have died as well. We just don’t know yet.
Comment by Peter D — May 24, 2007 @ 11:02 am
Here’s the latest on the news article. I numbered the lines to try to keep everything straight…
Man found dead in downtown loft
1. The body of Jo__ _antham of
2. New York was found shortly after 4
3. a.m. in the __________ of Grand
4. Avenue.
5. Tod (Ted?) ____ a de_____ ____ __man at The
6. Tower (2 words) __le_ heard loud
7. Noises (nota..) (3-4 words one has numbers “00″) _antham
Comment by MerlboroMan — May 24, 2007 @ 11:06 am
I was assuming John Locke doesn’t leave the island. maybe the person who dies is someone we haven’t met yet…or someone who was on the island but not a main character?
Comment by LiLi — May 24, 2007 @ 11:11 am
In this episode almost everything Ben said for once was the truth. He said he was just protecting Alex from pregnancy/death and he admitted that Danielle was her mother. He was truthful to Mikhail about the Looking Glass and that he had lied before. Also more importantly he reaffirmed one of the only things that he had ever been truthful about previously. That the Others were the good guys. The only thing he lied about in the episode was that they would kill Sayid, Bernard & Jin. The fact he was not going to really do it showed that he was just trying to manipulate an outcome that was in everyone
Comment by H20 — May 24, 2007 @ 11:12 am
I think the death is rather important for the few things we know about it.
1 - It was someone that Jack and Kate both knew
2 - Jack was the only person to attend the viewing
3 - Kate seemed insulted that Jack would even think she’d go to the funeral.
4 - The person is from New York and died in LA.
Whoever Jo.. ..antham is, they’re pretty important because the producers knew we’d screen cap that bitch and analyze the hell out of it. What else is there to do for 9 months when you’re suffering Lost withdrawal?
Comment by MerlboroMan — May 24, 2007 @ 11:12 am
I like the Jeremy Bentham idea, that there’s going to be a new character named that. Whoever it was hanged themself. I still think Jacob looks like Locke in a wig.
I think the temple is probably behind the remains of the four-toed colossus of rhodes remains.
Any theories why neither Ben nor Locke even tried to give Jack an iota of a reasonable explanation why he needed to stop? Everyone will be killed: why? They’re bad people: why? You’re not supposed to do this: why? Just one good reason.
Comment by mockturtle — May 24, 2007 @ 11:15 am
I like the Jeremy Bentham idea, that there’s going to be a new character named that. Whoever it was hanged themself. I still think Jacob looks like Locke in a wig.
I think the temple is probably behind the remains of the four-toed colossus of rhodes remains.
Any theories why neither Ben nor Locke even tried to give Jack an iota of a reasonable explanation why he needed to stop? Everyone will be killed: why? They’re bad people: why? You’re not supposed to do this: why? Just one good reason.
Comment by mockturtle — May 24, 2007 @ 11:16 am
Is it too farfetched to assume that Jo______atham is really just the name Jonathan? Or perhaps JOHNathan, as in John Locke?
One of the missing words would then be the last name of said character.
Comment by pic369 — May 24, 2007 @ 11:18 am
h20,
Going back to “Expose” where we first heard this term “snake in the mailbox” and the fact that LaShad was the “Cobra” then the metaphor seems to be that the leader betrayed his followers. I think Jack is the “Snake,” but he doesn’t realize it.
Also, I believe this will force Doc to re-examine who the hero of the meta-story is.
Comment by MerlboroMan — May 24, 2007 @ 11:18 am
Is it too farfetched to assume that Jo______atham is really just the name Jonathan? Or perhaps JOHNathan, as in John Locke?
One of the missing words would then be the last name of said character.
Comment by pic369 — May 24, 2007 @ 11:19 am
Was this also the first episode to start as a flashback, i.e. off the island? Only it wasn’t a flashback, it was a flash forward. However, time is relative if you are in the past the present is forward, and if you are in the present the past is backward. (lets not get into multidimensional theory :E) This leads me to believe that this episode was in fact a flash back, but from the present to Jack’s time on the island ruing the decisions he made that lead to their “rescue”.
What a mind-bending final
Comment by Eric — May 24, 2007 @ 11:27 am
Ben and Lock don’t fully explain because we have to experience the outcome caused by the wrong choice that Jack makes and then see how he changes what happens by reliving it differently. For him to listen to them would take the show in a different direction and shorten the story.
I did not find a clue to why we would know the show could not last longer than the stated three more seasons. If in the future there is an end of world senario living on the island and keeping it cutoff from the rest of the world may make it the only safe haven. But there were no clues to that in the finale.
Did anyone pick up on what it was?
Comment by H20 — May 24, 2007 @ 11:31 am
A close examination of the article shows that it’s two names. Jo__ antham. So Jonathan is out of the question. Also, this person is said to be “of New York.” So I don’t think it’s Locke. I also wonder who “he” is that Kate has to get back too.
Comment by MerlboroMan — May 24, 2007 @ 12:25 pm
I’ve just watched the scene in which Charlie talks to Penny again, and I think I can hear other voices in the static. At first I thought there must be people in the room with Penny, (wherever she is), but now I think that the equipment in the Looking Glass is picking up a trace of another signal, perhaps from Naomi’s boat. Listen carefully as Penny says, ‘What, what boat?’ There’s definitely another voice there.
Does anybody agree? Does anybody have the technology to figure out whatever else might be buried in the transmission?
Comment by ClovisSangrail — May 24, 2007 @ 12:28 pm
Two questions…
Has anyone located the other 2 anagrams?
Does anyone have a better screen cap of the newspaper article? The one I have is from DarkUFO’s screen caps page. It’s the one with the best resolution. I’d like to get a good one of the article on the plane when Jack originally saw it.
Comment by MerlboroMan — May 24, 2007 @ 12:32 pm
Why on earth would John Locke or Jacob or Sawyer or anyone else have a funeral in the hood?
Its a long shot, but I say Rose. Everyone assumes its a man because they see ‘Man found d____ downtown loft’. Could be a red herring…maybe its ‘Man found dead woman in downtown loft.’ It would make the rest of the story click. Rose comes home (Rose is a middle name or nickname) dies of cancer and Jack feels responsible.
As for Bernard…my other theory is that the crew from the freighter brought back some of the people and kept others as hostages so no one talks about the island.
Does anyone have a sound clip of the number Jack was dialing? Might be significant.
Comment by John — May 24, 2007 @ 12:37 pm
Ben is the one in the casket for 3 reasons…
1) As soo as Jack finds out he goes to try and kill himself. This is because Ben is the only one with enough info to get back to the island.
2) Jack tells the man at the funeral that he neither a friend nor family of the deceased.
3) Kate looks disgusted when Jack asks why she didnt go to the funeral.
4) No friends or family showed up either.
5) The popular theory about the name on the news clipping is that it says Jeremy Bentham a name Ben would very possibly like to assume upon returning to the states. Bentham was a child prodigy who grew up to be an early advocate of utilitarianism. Influences of Jeremy Bentham include John Locke and David Hume. Jeremy Bentham also was the inventor of the Panopticon - a prison that would allow an observer to observe all prisoners without the prisoners being able to tell if they are being observed or not, thus conveying a “sentiment of an invisible omniscience.” This ties in to several elements of his role on the island as well as his desire to allow his people to think they could leave at any time, not knowing they were his prisoners.
I’m not saying Jack killed Ben, on returning to the mainland Ben’s cancer could have returned tenfold.
xo
Jonah
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Bentham
Comment by Jonah — May 24, 2007 @ 12:40 pm
I think the Jo in the paper could be a Ja given then way it’s creased. If so then I’m thinking it’s Jacob. Jack reacted very emotionally after reading it and Kate didn’t seem to care. Why? Because Jack wants to find the island and Kate doesn’t.
Also, does anyone know what kind of phone Jack was using? As far as finding out for sure that he was in the future I don’t think that phone was out in 2004.
Comment by bdub — May 24, 2007 @ 12:47 pm
I’m going to have to disagree, because it is clearly Jo…not Je…on a close up there is no line across the middle to indicate an “e” as compared to the other “e’s” in the article. Also, the letter just befor “ntham” is most like an “a” and not an “e”.
Comment by MerlboroMan — May 24, 2007 @ 12:47 pm
I’m about 90% certain on this. The tune that Charlie was singing in the looking glass was the tune that played as he drowned. I had to play the scenes back to back to hear it.
Close Captioning had the words “the last of the ailing souls” as the words he was singing.
There were reports that the song he wrote would be important to the episode.
Comment by TabulaRasa — May 24, 2007 @ 12:47 pm
Can anyone tell me about the drug Jack was taking? An anagram perhaps?
Comment by Emily — May 24, 2007 @ 12:48 pm
There is a good enhancement of the ripped out article but we need an enchancement of the whole paper. both sides are shown in the first minute. then the two can be peced together to read the whole frontpage and maybe evn see date to debunk some theories. i don’t have the means to do this unfortunately!
Comment by theUnknown — May 24, 2007 @ 12:50 pm
I’m still ticked off from yesterday when that moron put spoilers on this site. It ruined the whole finale for me regarding Jack’s flash forward. UGH!!
I say its Ben’s funeral. Obviously somethin major happened on the island. Perhaps something to force the others and the castaways to join forces? Such as an invasion of Naomi’s people?? Maybe Widmore people? Maybe!
Comment by MikerMan — May 24, 2007 @ 12:53 pm
I think that Ben and Locke would die before leaving the island, they would certainly die for the island.
Comment by TabulaRasa — May 24, 2007 @ 12:54 pm
I cried when Charlie died. He was my favourite character, didn’t deserve to die. Whos the dead guy on Jack’s Flashforward Funeral? Did you believe in Ben when he said not to contact the boat because they are the bad guys? I do!!! In my opinion, These bad guys will be next season’s vilains, Jack & Ben’s group will join to survive, and probably the location of everything on fourth season will be the Temple, mentioned by Ben.
Im soo excited!!! 8 months will take forever.
READ THIS DOC!!!!
Why didnt Charlie just turn off the switch, and left with Des off the Hacth? The communication part is flooded, Its waterproof, its been disabled. Why didnt they just left with scuda divers?
Comment by Luiz — May 24, 2007 @ 1:04 pm
Ben being in the casket makes the most sense to me, too. Someone mentioned that Jack is likely so broken up about someone who is neither friend nor relative, because that person represented, to Jack, his last chance to get back to the island.
I still think the finale of the show will be someone someone going back in time and fixing everything - everyone will be alive, the plane will have never crashed, etc. It’s the exact ending from Donnie Darko.
And I like that earlier theory about Kate and Jack being the Adam and Eve. That also makes good sense.
So, now we have a Memento thing going on here, too. It’s no longer a ‘whodunit’ but ‘whydunit’ or a ‘howdunit’.
Good show, good finale. What do we do for 8 months? I guess I’ll click over to HBO and watch Tony Soprano’s soul finish rotting.
Comment by Nick — May 24, 2007 @ 1:09 pm
Probably Desmond in the future will realize that his flashes are being manipulated by the bad guys. The old lady, the monk both tried to instill in him the idea that fate could not be tampered with. Because Desmond believed this and convinced Charlie of this they opened the door for the bad guys to access the island (the reason for the manipulation). When Desmond figures this out he will like Jack try to return and change events to save Charlie or do it slightly differently. What they have to realize is that free will not fate will let them reach the end they want. Before the end of the show and probably not until the last season Charlie will be back on the show is my guess.
Comment by H20 — May 24, 2007 @ 1:15 pm
HOFFS/DRAWLAR does spell out FLASH FORWARD.
Obviously, what we saw with Jack is the future after they’ve been rescued. But the amount of time that has passed by from when they were rescued until the event we saw last night focusing on Jack, is undetermined. I’m sure next season, they will focus on where they are in their lives now and continue to focus on the island as part of their past, just like it has been focusing on their past (before the plane crash). We don’t know who Kate is talking about but it’s big possibility she is with Sawyer now, so who is in the coffin? John? or a new character? John could also be known as Jeremy Bentham, who is someone he’s mentioned before. Then again, John wouldn’t leave the island because he knows if he goes back to the “real world” he won’t be able to walk. AND Walt (who came out of nowhere) told him he has work to do, so why would John leave the island?
This season finale has obviously brought more questions and doubts on all of our theories, so we have to keep watching to the very end…2010.
As far as the newspaper tearout, it’s hard to make out what it says but the name seems to say Jeremy Bentham…see what you guys can come up with. Does that mean that it is John that is in that coffin?
Here is the newspaper clipping:
http://bp0.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/RlUe-1YihSI/AAAAAAAAFkw/ucINFuG1jfo/s1600-h/newspaperclipping2.jpg
Comment by Rose — May 24, 2007 @ 1:26 pm
Why would Ben have a funeral in a black neighborhood? No, Ben is still kicking…probably held hostage by the new bad guys. Ben will be back.
Comment by John — May 24, 2007 @ 1:34 pm
Ben cannot be in the coffin because Jack hates Ben regardless of him wanting to go back to the island. Why would he be crying so much about Ben’s death when he wanted to kill him before they get rescued? It could be that the rescuer’s find John and rescue him too, because when Jack answered the phone, John walks away and leaves. Now that John has been rescued (probably)and maybe he can’t walk, he is more than ready to kill himself just like he was about to shoot himself in the pit because he realized his legs were useless, then Walt appears to him and tells him he has work to do and then suddenly his legs work…
Comment by Rose — May 24, 2007 @ 1:35 pm
I don’t think there are anagrams for Looking Glass and the Radio Tower. What I think they are referring to are easter eggs. First is the song “Good Vibrations.” Not necessarily the song, but the statement. We know that radiating good on the island will get you places. At the radio tower, the guy on the phone was named “Minkowski,” which refers to a physicist whose work was part of the basis for Einstein’s theory of special relativity.
Comment by DocArzt — May 24, 2007 @ 1:40 pm
Just found this and it’s awesome. Enjoy:
http://ack-attack.livejournal.com/370261.html
And regarding the man in the coffin, if it’s not ben, and it’s not someone we have yet to meet, then who the hell do you think it is? I mean, c’mon now. Jack probably went because after being off the island, he realises that Ben was probably right, and he shouldnt have used the satphone after all.
Comment by jimmyzer00 — May 24, 2007 @ 1:42 pm
That episode was pretty awesome. I was pretty much spoiler free, so I’ve been thinking about Lost for the 18 hours or so. I woke up to pee and I was thinking about it! Anyway, I think all is not Lost. Remember, Desmond’s story is very important to the overall structure of Lost. It appears that he has actually moved through time, and last night’s episode showed us some of the effects of time on Jack and Kate. I think Penelope contacting the island is significant, because she represents the real help that’s on the way. She is highly motivated to find Desmond, especially now that she knows he’s alive. Presumably, she knows his location as well. I’m assuming this, because she was able to contact the island immediately upon Charlie turning off the jamming signal.
So while Naomi’s friends come to bring the pain upon the island, Penelope’s team will be assembled and sent to the island. When you consider what Locke said to Jack, “You aren’t supposed to do this” and Jack and Kate’s future, one would believe that there is some course correcting that needs to be done.
The questions will then be 1.) How will this course correcting be done? and 2.) When will this course correcting be done? I don’t think that Desmond’s turning the key had anything to do with the journey he went on. I think the Island had everything to do with it. Desmond turned the key and ceased to exist along with everything and everyone else that was in the hatch at the time. The Swan was designed to implode upon turning the failsafe key. The Island didn’t like that result and decided Desmond would have another chance. Along the way he met a few of the Islands associates and was tutored on how things are supposed to be. The Island will ultimately allow this to happen again. Maybe with some type of catalyst event or maybe on it’s own accord. But when? Does Penny show up before they are taken from the Island resulting in certain events taking place that lead to course correction? Or do Kate and Jack and whoever else return to the Island after the flash forward we saw last night? At this point, it doesn’t matter to me. But I’ve come to like these characters so much, especially Jack, that I want to see some type of redemption at this point. To show him spiral out of control like that helps you appreciate the man we had become to know on the Island. To see him a shell of his former self was heartbreaking. And I’m not even gay. Seriously, I can’t wait to see how this all plays out. At this point I dont know up from down and I certainly dont know good from bad. I’ll leave you all with one last thought. After all the lies and deceit, I feel Ben is completely responsible for what appears to be the end to his people on the Island. He’s like the boy who cried wolf. If he’s telling the truth now that bad people are coming, no one’s going to listen to him. So why do I feel sorry for him? Brillant writing. Kudos to Lost.
Comment by Higdon — May 24, 2007 @ 1:48 pm
“To see him a shell of his former self was heartbreaking. And I’m not even gay.”
What a stupid ass comment, you have to be ‘gay’ to feel emotion? Fuck off.
Comment by Ricky — May 24, 2007 @ 2:00 pm
I don’t know if somebody has mentioned this before but there are 2 books that “appear” each one in a different scene, that I would love to see a close-up.Doc you have discover a lot of good “hints” with the HD so can you enlarge the picture where Jack enters the funeral home?There is a book next to the coffin. Also when we see Jack sitting on the floor in his room full with maps, there is a yellow-brown book on the left side on the floor between maps.I dont know if such a detailed close-up is possible so these are suggestions.
I loved the finale…I LOVE LOST!!But, really now, could Jack’s beard BE more fake??I mean they are LOST couldn’t they do something for the mustache part AT LEAST?They are an ABC hit show they could hire a cat to play Jack’s beard IF they wanted to……They could rent the prettiest mutache of the world IF they wanted to, why DIDN’T THEY?I’m just saying…..
Comment by we2 — May 24, 2007 @ 2:03 pm
I agree with you Higdon. I totally buy that we have been watching the alternate time line since season one. It would explain a number of things.
Comment by DocArzt — May 24, 2007 @ 2:04 pm
Jonah-
That is impressive. Well done. I really like that theory.
I happen to think it is Ben as well. Kate’s response to Jack is the key.
I can’t believe we have to wait until February.
Doc- thanks for an awesome site. We’re putting our faith in you that you can help pass the time. You certainly do derserve Jay and Jack’s Hugo Cup.
Peace.
Comment by theonefin — May 24, 2007 @ 2:13 pm
Nobody has brought forth the idea that maybe the person in the coffin is Jacob. That’s the one name that starts with J that nobody has brought up.
My other theory is that it may be Michael. He is from New York.
I can’t wait to see where they go from here.
Comment by phillip — May 24, 2007 @ 2:15 pm
About the fake beard: Agreed!! It was distracting, LOL… otherwise, great ep. I wonder if the horrible beard is an in-joke of sorts, akin to Boone’s awful wig from Expose’…
Comment by Run, Kate... RUN! — May 24, 2007 @ 2:21 pm
has anyone got any good screengrabs of the map ben was charting on?
The place where he started the second line towards the radio tower was ____ Flats.
I can’t recall it off the top of my head, but i’m sure it was a mathematical term.
The two place names may be off some significance.
Comment by jonno394 — May 24, 2007 @ 2:21 pm
Please read all the posts before you claim that nobody has brought something up…
Comment by bdub — May 24, 2007 @ 2:22 pm
jonno394: It was Pascal flats, mathematician, and Easter related.
Comment by PurdueBen — May 24, 2007 @ 2:32 pm
Again, I’ve been looking at CUs of the newspaper article and that is definitely and “o” not an “e” after the “J”…so Jeremy as the first name is out of the question. The letter before “ntham” is an “a”. The CU shows the letter to be closed on the right and not open, like an “e”. I’m trying to figure out what the other two anagrams are…so far names that have come up are Rob Himmel (?) the doctor that tries to help Jack, and Gary Naylor (?) the unseen doctor who will perform the surgery. Any others?
KMK
Comment by MerlboroMan — May 24, 2007 @ 2:32 pm
I too want to follow up on what someone said early in the thread. That dude that posted the spoilers last night really did some damage. I was completely spoiler free and avoided anything that might give me any clue to what might happen. He blew it for me.
The worst part is that Doc is the person who will suffer the most from this… because now a lot of us will be hesitant to read these threads in the future.
That was really disappointing.
Comment by theonefin — May 24, 2007 @ 2:37 pm
Nah, I’m just going to beef up the comments system. Probably create a login system, or perhaps integrate it with the forums
Comment by DocArzt — May 24, 2007 @ 2:54 pm
I have been thinking long and hard after the amazing mindfuck that was last nights finale and I have come to the conclusion that the person in the coffin is definitely someone he haven’t seen yet, but have heard from. My guess is that it is the guy that was on Naomi’s phone, the guy on the ship that rescued them. I think that he rescued only some of the survivors, and then Jack realized that Ben was right all along about Naomi not being who she said she was. And that is why Jack wants to go back to the island, to save the rest of the people, including Ben. Take it for what it is, I could be WAAAAY wrong, but it sounds legit to me.
Comment by Kage530 — May 24, 2007 @ 3:00 pm
Oh Ricky! Even gay men have senses of humor. Just because you take it up the butt doesn’t mean straight guys can’t joke about it.
Comment by Higdon — May 24, 2007 @ 3:02 pm
“Nobody has brought forth the idea that maybe the person in the coffin is Jacob. That’s the one name that starts with J that nobody has brought up.
My other theory is that it may be Michael. He is from New York.
I can’t wait to see where they go from here.”
Yeah, dude, the other 30 people before you haven’t brought that up already. That whole theory is stupid anyway. As if Jacob would turn into human form, fly to the US, die as a mortal, and have a funeral in the hood.
Comment by Ricky — May 24, 2007 @ 3:06 pm
another anagram - good vibrations - avoiding robots
doubt it, but it’s possible
Comment by joe — May 24, 2007 @ 3:10 pm
Doc-
I’m all freaked out now. I actually hadn’t considered that fact. So the Flashforward was actually a flashback? Jack’s finally returned to the Island to make it right? When Desmond returned to the past, he was confused as to why he was in his apartment, and was relieved to be there with Penny but seemed to not really know that he had time traveled. Could that be what Jack experienced in the pilot? He would have had to die to get there if we use Desmond and Cooper as a guide. You said it would explain a number of things. What else did you have in mind? Why can’t I get Adam and Eve out of my head after contemplating this?
Comment by Higdon — May 24, 2007 @ 3:12 pm
“Oh Ricky! Even gay men have senses of humor. Just because you take it up the butt doesn’t mean straight guys can’t joke about it.”
When did I ever say I was gay? You’re the one that had to prove yourself, even though no one was pointing any fingers at you. To me that shows that you have a sexual insecurity, and are teetering on whether or not you’re ready for that change. It’s cool, man, once you turn 16 you’ll realize how juvenile gay bashing is.
Comment by Ricky — May 24, 2007 @ 3:12 pm
Oh, Ricky!
Who’s gay bashing you paranoid wack job? I say I’m not gay and all the sudden I hate gay people? If you’re not gay, what’s the agenda? Is it up to you to politically correct everyone on this board? Or is it your boyfriend mad at what I wrote? Take some amylnitrate and get back to backing that thing up Miss Thang.
Comment by Higdon — May 24, 2007 @ 3:16 pm
How the fuck are you not gay bashing?
You start off making a rational argument, and end it with ’so go back to your boyfriend, Miss Thang’…that isn’t a sign of being a homo-phobe. I’ll bet $100 you’ve never seen a naked woman in person before.
Comment by Ricky — May 24, 2007 @ 3:23 pm
Ok, I don’t think this is supposed to be an easter egg but I’ve noticed [and nobody seems to be noticing it, surprisingly] that Charlie makes the sign of the cross with his left hand instead of his right hand. Nevertheless, he firstly touches his right shoulder [which is correct]. I’m saying that because my first thought was that he wanted to make a mirror image of a person who’s making the sign [you know, the looking glass stuff:)] but then he’d have to touch his left shoulder first. Then of course many people who are left handed make the sign like Charlie but he seems to be perfectly right handed, at least when writing. But maybe it means nothing and it’s just me being overcorrect or it’s just the Hobbit’s lack of knowledge [Charlie seems to be a Roman Catholic] about his character’s religion. Or maybe too much water damaged his labyrinth:)?
Comment by mihh — May 24, 2007 @ 3:31 pm
sorry - I meant “he firstly touches his LEFT shoulder [which is correct]“.
late hour;]
Comment by mihh — May 24, 2007 @ 3:37 pm
Am I the only one who possibly thinks it could possibly be Walt? I think the predominately black neighborhood, the small coffin, and the idea that Jack was neither friend nor family, because Walt is another who wants them to stay on the island and certain development concerning a confrontation between the two haven’t occurred yet, it could be it. I’m not too sure though, I could be stretching. Ben is still a viable solution, and even better, someone we haven’t even met yet.
And about Jack’s meeting with Kate, I really don’t think the “he” she was referring to was Sawyer. Just for the simple reason as she was wearing enough make-up to hide her freckles, something Sawyer I believe was fond of. Again call it a stretch, but I found how she looked more eerie than that she was there in the first place.
Just my two cents, and since this is my first time posting I want to say keep up the good work Doc.
-Elliott
Comment by Elliott — May 24, 2007 @ 3:39 pm
Oh, Ricky!
Where did you get that potty mouth? All those golden showers? The only exhibiting latent homosexual tendencies is you with your unabashed defense of homosexuals who are perfectly able to defend themselves from a 15 year old degenerate teen like myself. By the way, just give your mom the Benjamin to settle that bet. That bitch deserves it.
Comment by Higdon — May 24, 2007 @ 3:39 pm
Oh, Ricky!
Where did you get that potty mouth? All those golden showers? The only one exhibiting latent homosexual tendencies is you with your unabashed defense of homosexuals who are perfectly able to defend themselves from a 15 year old degenerate teen like myself. By the way, just give your mom the Benjamin to settle that bet. That bitch deserves it.
Comment by Higdon — May 24, 2007 @ 3:40 pm
I think I found a second anagram…
“Not Penny’s Boat”
may be reworded into
“Ben not a spy”
or even
“a bent snot pony”
you be the judge….
Comment by steeeve — May 24, 2007 @ 4:03 pm
Can sombody get a copy of that L.A. Times newspaper to see if that actual obituary was printed?
Comment by Chuck_Farley — May 24, 2007 @ 4:07 pm
READ THIS DOC!!!!
Why didnt Charlie just turn off the switch, and left with Des off the Hacth? The communication part is flooded, Its waterproof, its been disabled. Why didnt they just left with scuda divers?
Comment by Luiz — May 24, 2007 @ 4:20 pm
Regarding “Not Penny’s Boat”
I got Panyt snoot Ben…I’m not sure what it means, but it seems that Ben should guard his garters.
Comment by MerlboroMan — May 24, 2007 @ 4:21 pm
I think one of the anagrams is “Gary Naylor.” It’s the name of the doctor who was performing the surgery instead of Jack. There is no other mention of this doctor and depending on how it’s spelled then that would determine the anagram.
Joeytrain,
How did you know there were 3 anagrams? What made you determine one of them was in the Looking Glass? And why the radio tower? I rewatched the episode and there are neither any new names mentioned or words printed that would be noticeable.
Comment by MerlboroMan — May 24, 2007 @ 4:31 pm
As for the “Gary Naylor” anagram, here is what I found:
“Angry Royal”
“LA Nary Gory” (Who knows)
or my favorite
“LA Yarn Orgy”, those Granny’s are knitting some dirty scarves.
-Elliott
Comment by Elliott — May 24, 2007 @ 4:40 pm
Doc,
PLEASE READ:
Did you file a complaint on funtime today?? if so i think we all would be curious as to the outcome.
For the way he acted, i’m hoping they did something.
Comment by Dr. Nope — May 24, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
Sorry if this seems cold / rude, but I’m just gonna post and probably not be able to check back (sadly I have no time to scroll the fan sites, as much as I’d love to). So here’s just something I picked up on from the Easter Eggs, which may or may not be remotely interesting.
One of the maps Jack had open was a map of the UK. Obviously he’s not stupid enough to think the Island was somewhere off the European coast, so perhaps future Jack knows of some sort of connection with one of our British Losties; unlikely Charlie, but more likely there’s something to do with Desmond / Penny / even Naomi that future Jack figured out?
Enjoy. Love the site.
Comment by R.Pete.G — May 24, 2007 @ 6:03 pm
I’m just weighing in on the whole…who bashed who thing…because this is a topic I find so amusing.
Where is it in our US constitution that states that we have the right not to be offended? Every joke you tell will have someone, race, creed, ethnicity, religions, gender, or sexuality, as the butt of that joke. There is always someone who may CHOOSE to be offended by the comments someone makes, especially when there is an attempt at humor. Some “groups” are simply easier to make fun of than others. It’s just fact. If you think that’s ignorance speaking just check your local listings and ask yourself “why is this group a part of this show as opposed to this other group.” Whether Jeff Foxworthy is making a million on rednecks, Chris Rock is mining African-Americans, or Carlos Mencia is sharing his “mind” about Mexican-immigrants there will always be shows like “Will & Grace” or “Oz” that focuses on certain groups (homosexuals or prison inmates) that are just more interesting, and therefore, mose susceptable to humor. Based on all of that, I say, make fun of EVERYONE! Because it’s the moment that you set one group aside as “untouchable” then you’re are showing prejudice. Either make fun of everyone or no one.
Comment by MerlboroMan — May 24, 2007 @ 6:07 pm
Why didnt Charlie just turn off the switch, and left with Des off the Hacth? The communication part is flooded, Its waterproof, its been disabled. Why didnt they just left with scuda divers?
Because it was his destiny to die - if he didn’t follow thru with Desmond’s vision, Clair wouldn’t be saved. He had to die.
Comment by Peter Dodson — May 24, 2007 @ 6:52 pm
In case anyone missed it or has forgotten about them the numbers DID make an appearance in the finale, though brief. When Jack goes out into the waiting room, (in the flashback) on the TV the news stion covering the crash is Action 8 news.
Comment by viator — May 24, 2007 @ 7:02 pm
This point was made in another thread by AndreasS
Since the Looking Glass was underwater and had enough pressure to prevent the water from rising in the moon pool, water would not have rushed from the porthole. If the porthole was blown, air would have rushed out. Water would have displaced air from the moon pool forcing air out the porthole.
When the water reached the level of the porthole, the pressure would equalize leaving an airpocket above. That would have been sufficient for Charlie and Desmond to save themselves.
When AndreasS pointed this out, I tested it using a styro foam cup in the bath tub. Turn the cup upside down trapping the air inside. Push the cup to the bottom leaving a gap between the tub and the rim if the cup. Poke a hole in side toward the middle and note that air rushes out. The cup will fill to the point of intrusion, but no more.
I know it is a story. I know that Charlie had to die. However, some staffer missed this important fact.
Comment by TabulaRasa — May 24, 2007 @ 8:41 pm
The person in the casket could have been Michael. He killed two of the Losties then jumps on a boat and leaves everyone behind. No one would have attended his funeral since he would have never been forgiven for what he did. Jack says the person in the casket is niether friend or family…which fits Michael. It appears to be an African American populated neighborhood where the funeral parlor is located also (for whatever that is worth).
My theory on Jacob, Ben and the Smoke monster is related to “Al’s” biblical comments. Jacob (who takes the body of Walt in human form) is the Island God, Ben is re-born on the island and is now Jacobs son (carrying out Jacobs wishes and saving all life on the island) and the Smoke monster is Jacob’s active force that moves throughout the island. Island Father, Son and Holy Ghost - The Trinity Theory.
Comment by StingerDawg — May 24, 2007 @ 8:43 pm
Did anyone catch the “hidden toll free number” to link
into the new “Lost” online game, that ABC just started?
ANY HELP WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe the numbers to “Good Vibrations”?
Kate’s Phone number?
AARRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!! Somebody……”Help Me”.
There’s a free case of fish biscuits in it for ya!!!
I, oddly, need something to tide me over…..
Ya know the feeling?
Thanks, and Namaste…
Comment by midgetsaspets — May 24, 2007 @ 9:14 pm
StingerDawg…. holy shit. I can’t believe I never came up with that before. I think it is a brilliant comparison, but instead of having Ben as the “Son”, I’d much rather pin him and the rest of the Others as Pharisees, for they follow the teaching of Jacob, albeit warped by power. Locke is the much more believable “Son”. Background wise not so much, but in symbolism, especially when he took up his “cross”, being his father, the similarities just completely linked up.
-Elliott
Comment by Elliott — May 24, 2007 @ 9:45 pm
TabulaRasa that all works out fine however as you can see by the water not rushing out of the room, that room is airtight (atleast im taking it to be from the style of door and the fact that Desmond just stood their and it didn’t seem like water was coming through the cracks) from the rest of the looking glass, and therefore when the glass was broke the air in that room was displaced by the water and you can see what happens…could be wrong.
Also I didn’t see mentioned was that Jack mentioned his dad still being alive to the doctor in the hospital. Maybe he was to fucked up on Oxy to know what he was saying but if not it plays into the alternate time line theory and traveling back and forth in time.
Also new to the site and must say quite amazing, definitely gonna waste alot of time here waiting for next season.
Comment by Candyman4y — May 24, 2007 @ 9:46 pm
WHO WAS IN THE CASKET???? STARTS WITH A J HUH…. THE PERSON IN THE CASKET WAS J-J-J-J-J-JACK. DON’T ASK ME TO EXPLAIN IT, BUT I BET A HUNDRED BUCKS IT JACK. FROM A DIFFERENT TIMELINE?
BEN TO JACK: “WHAT IS IT THAT YOU ARE SO DESPARETLY TRYING TO GET BACK TO? YOU HAVE NO ONE. YOU’RE FATHERS DEAD, YOUR WIFES GONE, MOVED ON WITH ANOTHER MAN.”
Comment by Stev — May 24, 2007 @ 9:49 pm
Is it possible that Walt came with Naomi? She did say that she was not alone (to Mikhail, in another language). I don’t know how he aged, but it seems plausible tome that he and Michael left (and aged in the process?) and were rescued by evil people looking for the island. Walt wanted to go back and has ties to the island so he went on the search missions.
I think that Richard is the only person we have seen on-then off-then on the island. Everyone else has never left. Maybe your ageing is accelerated when leaving the island? Richard can leave because he himself does not age at all. Something has to explain Walt being older…I don’t think the smoke monster would make him ‘appear’ older.
Comment by Chris — May 24, 2007 @ 10:11 pm
Is it possible that Walt came with Naomi? She did say that she was not alone (to Mikhail, in another language). I don’t know how he aged, but it seems plausible tome that he and Michael left (and aged in the process?) and were rescued by evil people looking for the island. Walt wanted to go back and has ties to the island so he went on the search missions.
I think that Richard is the only person we have seen on-then off-then on the island. Everyone else has never left. Maybe your ageing is accelerated when leaving the island? Richard can leave because he himself does not age at all. Something has to explain Walt being older…I don’t think the smoke monster would make him ‘appear’ older.
Comment by Chris — May 24, 2007 @ 10:11 pm
Is it possible that Walt came with Naomi? She did say that she was not alone (to Mikhail, in another language). I don’t know how he aged, but it seems plausible tome that he and Michael left (and aged in the process?) and were rescued by evil people looking for the island. Walt wanted to go back and has ties to the island so he went on the search missions.
I think that Richard is the only person we have seen on-then off-then on the island. Everyone else has never left. Maybe your ageing is accelerated when leaving the island? Richard can leave because he himself does not age at all. Something has to explain Walt being older…I don’t think the smoke monster would make him ‘appear’ older.
Comment by Chris — May 24, 2007 @ 10:11 pm
found a blooper/easter egg
i would think it would be the LA TIMES 
if you look, at mark 77:45 minutes (i’m looking at the ABC player, so can’t get a screen shot), right after jack swigs the tequila, if you look on the floor, one of the newspapers is the HONOLULU ADVERTISER
Comment by enoch — May 24, 2007 @ 10:27 pm
Here’s what I’d like to know… Remember this part?
Some doctor: How much have you had to drink today, Jack?
Jack: Okay, I’ll tell you what. You do this. You get my father down here. Get him down here right now, and if I’m drunker than he is, you can fire me.
Isn’t Jack’s father dead?? What did Jack bring aboard the plane then?
Comment by DKwan — May 24, 2007 @ 11:06 pm
Damon Lindelof is the voice of the pilot on the plane, Carlton Cuse voiced the news report about the accident Jack caused
Comment by darlton — May 24, 2007 @ 11:36 pm
Just noticed Michael’s home of origin is listed as New York City on Lostpedia. Bernard as Buffalo NY too. Not to stereotype but it did seem like a black neigborhood. Could be a loop hole for explaining what happend to Michael.
Of course it could be a big joke. Like why would Kate go to a funeral of a guy who was a background character till season 4. Espically since he really only made an appearance that one time to do that one thing.
Comment by Chuck_Farley — May 25, 2007 @ 12:43 am
When Locke was lying in the pit not able to move his leg, the kid says somethin like ‘if u think u can do it, u will”. Also in one of the trailers of season 3 locke says “YOU CAN BE WHOEVER U WISH TO BE ON THIS ISLAND”.
My guess is that all this is somethin like a virual reality. Same thing what Arnold went thru in Total Recall. Its a system which when plugged in takes u into this virual world.
Thats explains timetravel , and desmond meeting charlie in “total recall”, but in real world doesnt recognize him. Also explains how losties appear as other characters in flashback. Coz thats what they are in real life. But in total recall they take a completely different identity. Also , explains how Mikhail dying from sonic blast mysteriously reappears.
I guess at the end we’ll find out that Dharma Initivative, is this system like a “Total Recall” thing, which when hooked into ppls brains takes them into a virtual journey.
And Jack , flashfwd is , hes been plugged into the system for so long that now he things all this is real.
Hows that for a theory ?????
Comment by yoda — May 25, 2007 @ 2:09 am
That would be a total rip off!!
I thought i read somewhere that it wasn’t going to be like such a virtual reality plot….
Comment by Tyson — May 25, 2007 @ 3:59 am
Mike, don’t blame the ‘morons’ for posting spoilers and ruining it for you, you are the moron that read the spoilers. I knew they were here, I read some of the fighting over them, but I never read them. And I am sofa-king glad that I didn’t, btw.
Don’t blame other people for your boners, douche.
Comment by Mizzy — May 25, 2007 @ 5:23 am
So … I take it that no one agrees with me about Penny’s transmission, then. Either that, or you all agree but don’t think it’s significant.
Let me try again: when Penny is speaking to Charlie, there is another voice in the static. It’s obviously a male voice, but it’s impossible to tell what it’s saying. It’s particularly clear when Penny says, ‘What, what boat?’ and then, ‘But I’m not on a boat. Who’s, who’s Naomi?’
Almost certainly nothing, I grant you. But you never know …
Comment by ClovisSangrail — May 25, 2007 @ 5:42 am
I thought the funeral was for Locke. If he went back to his “ordinary”, pre- island life, no one WOULD go to his funeral. Remember? He doesn’t matter to anyone. Jack would want to go becasue he now believes they shouldn’t have left the island- and Locke tried to keep them there. Kate believes they SHOULD have left the island- and so, would be bitter towards Locke for trying to keep them there.
Comment by melanie — May 25, 2007 @ 6:35 am
I believe Ben… I see Naomi as a clue in its self…
I think her name can be picked apart and you get Enemy.
N ao mi
prolly a stretch… but from the guys that gave us Bea Kluh or whatever her name was… it could be a huge clue.
Comment by yarrrrrble — May 25, 2007 @ 6:53 am
just found this on some website whose language i couldn’t figure out. just passing it along to those interested.
Here’s the quote of where it came from:
“The obituary text was just dictated to me by a friend who worked on the L.A. portion of the reshoots, where TPTB filmed the E.R. and Oceanic Airliner scenes. I believe it to be 100% accurate, and I stand by my source.”
and…
“The body of John Lantham of New York was found shortly after 4 am in the 4300 block of Grand Avenue. Ted Worden, a doorman at the Tower Lofts complex, heard loud noises coming from the victim’s loft. Concerned for tenants’ safety, he entered the loft and found the body hanging from a beam in the living room. According to Jaime Ortiz, a police spokesman, the incident was deemed a suicide after medical tests. Latham (sic) is survived by one teenaged son. Memorial services will be held at the Hoffs-Drawlar Funeral Home tomorrow evening.”
site: http://www.forum.hr/showthread.php?p=8649002
Comment by GunnersFan — May 25, 2007 @ 7:09 am
Oh, and that was my first post, so thanks to everyone who makes this site rock. Best LOST site hands down!
Comment by GunnersFan — May 25, 2007 @ 7:12 am
So would the clues point to it being Micheal living under an assumed name? (because of what he did) The teenaged son being Walt and the funeral home is definatley in a black area. And the fact that NY is where he lived before the crash?
Comment by H20 — May 25, 2007 @ 7:23 am
Could be Michael, but what about Locke? do we know for sure he has no offspring?
And wouldn’t Walt come to Michael’s funeral?
Comment by GunnersFan — May 25, 2007 @ 7:34 am
I think Jonah’s right on about Ben up there. That fits really well, and makes sense all around.
can’t wait for next season. this sucks.
Comment by mikebeck — May 25, 2007 @ 8:43 am
>: I am a big fan of the site, but after the craziest episode to dat you post an anagram and six bullet points, how about a synopsis, some theories. Am I crazy? Do You think that this coverage deserves a Hugo cup? Your better than this doc, and not just easter eggs better.
Comment by bob Murphy — May 25, 2007 @ 8:51 am
Possible anagram for HOFFS / DRAWLER:
Ford her flaw (James Ford, Kate’s mistake?)
Let you know if I find more…
Comment by Danny — May 25, 2007 @ 8:59 am
Could be good reasons we do not know why Walt would not be there. He may have decided to go and stay on the Island. They may have become estranged over Daddy/Son issues. Maybe Walt becomes the main evil dude on the Island when his special powers go to his head.;)
Comment by H20 — May 25, 2007 @ 9:00 am
Maybe people this isn’t such a flash forward at all. Sure the phone is a clue, but consider this, what happens if the Jack and Kate we saw in the flash were CLONES!! The name in the paper isn’t anyone we know as of yet. Remember they took blood from Kate, Sawyer, and Jack while they were captive. Ben doesn’t want them to leave cause it would mess up his plans, uh cloning! Rupert asn’t aged a bit since he met Ben. Everytime a other tries to give birth they die! Even in the “Answer” episode the creators clearly say “no purgatory” but possibly a time and space warp. Then why wouldn’t Kate mention her significant other when she leaves Jake. Why wouldn’t anyone show up for the “UNKNOWN” person in the funural home? Because if they were people from the island, then why would they show up. BECAUSE no one wants to get discovered.
QUESTION! What did Mikale say to the girls in the glass house? Something about are you suppose to be in Canada something to that extent.
Comment by otherintraining — May 25, 2007 @ 9:09 am
Why would there be “loud noises coming from the victim’s loft” at 4:00am if John Lantham was committing suicide by hanging himself? Although the article says it was suicide, this may have been a murder. Does Walt murder his father Michael? Or does someone from the island, like Hurley, want revenge on Michael for killing the tow girls in the hatch? (I know I’m grasping at straws).
Also, Didn’t Jack go and find his dad’s casket in the wreckage at the beginning of this season? The casket was empty (correct me if I’m wrong).
Comment by stingerdawg — May 25, 2007 @ 9:22 am
What if instead of it being a “flash forward”, that is the present, and everything we’ve seen is the past, and the flashbacks we’ve seen are flashbacks within flashbacks?
Comment by raechel — May 25, 2007 @ 9:33 am
stingerdawg, why not, everyone else has killed their father. John got Sawyer to kill his dad. Sawyer killed his metaphorical dad. Ben actually killed his dad. Jack drove his dad over the edge resulting in a drinking binge that killed him. Kate killed her step-dad. Why not walt killing his dad? Sure is a dark scenario, but then again patricide seems to be a theme.
Knowing now that Michael was supposed to return to the show in the finale, I am certain the dead guy is Michael. I previously thought Bernard, but this makes more sense.
Comment by TabulaRasa — May 25, 2007 @ 10:08 am
otherintraining
He said, “I thought you were on assignment in Canada.”
Comment by TabulaRasa — May 25, 2007 @ 10:23 am
Naomi is an anagram for ‘I moan’ - obvious clue right there…
Comment by The Dude — May 25, 2007 @ 10:37 am
It was Michael’s funeral. They tried to get Harold back, remember. Of course no one would turn up to his funeral, after what he did back on the island. After escaping he probably turned into even more of a bitter, twisted shell, and I hope to see that explored in someone else’s flashforward’s next year.
Comment by Dusk — May 25, 2007 @ 11:08 am
http://bp3.blogger.com/_8HhjIy50yEY/RlTvqWnoe_I/AAAAAAAAAIE/cBNr9P2Te90/s1600-h/map3.JPG
4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42 :]
Don’t say it wasn’t intentional
Comment by Tom — May 25, 2007 @ 12:46 pm
The funeral director asked Jack if he was friend or FAMILY. Doesn’t that rule out Michael and Walt? I think the question, when asked of Jack, implies that the deceased is white. Beyond that, I think the concept of it being anyone currently in the cast using a fake name is a cop out. If this show has proven anything, its that no matter what you think is going to happen, you are likely wrong. With three seasons left, we will surely be introduced to many new characters on and off the island. There is no reason to think is has to be someone we already know.
Comment by dontthinkso — May 25, 2007 @ 12:55 pm
I too am a bit of an anagram enthusiast, so I was inspired by this thread to rewatch to look for possible anagrams. In the looking glass near the closet where Desmond was hiding was this stencil
HIDEAWAY BATCH TANKS
I thought that the phrasing sounded odd, so I tried to find an relevant anagram, and sure enough came up with
THE WAY BACK IS AT HAND
This seem extremely relevant to this particular episode, so I was wondering what other might gather from this, if anything.
Comment by junky — May 25, 2007 @ 1:18 pm
from other lost threads:
the person in the casket is a new character, Jeremy Bentham. the name is a reference to the english philosopher and creator of the Panopticon prison system.
Comment by hobo — May 25, 2007 @ 2:21 pm
Dr. Rob Hamill when introducing himself called Jack,
“the hero, twice over.” Was this in reference to Jack saving two victims, or two separate events?
Comment by TabulaRasa — May 25, 2007 @ 5:50 pm
Number references.
4 - Kate’s Car
8 - News Channel
15- Ben’s marking map.
Any others?
Comment by Luiz — May 25, 2007 @ 6:16 pm
Claire’s newborn, Aaron, started to cry right as Charlie drowned. Kinda sad and neat, don’t you think? Man, I’m gonna miss him.
Comment by SeanHouTx — May 25, 2007 @ 6:58 pm
Check out this article from another sight. therecshow.com
http://therecshow.com/2007/05/25/only-fools-are-enslaved-by-time-and-space/
Comment by Chris — May 25, 2007 @ 8:08 pm
The number pad Charlie used, it went up to 16.
Comment by AlaineA — May 25, 2007 @ 10:48 pm
Hi.
1) I’ve watched the funeral home scene several times now and have become convinced that when asked, “Friend or family?”…Jack responds, “Either.” Not “neither.” Watch his mouth and try to listen.
He could be implying that the decedent is both friend and family, in the same way that some people consider close friends part of an extended family, or that he is somehow related to the person and considers the person a friend, the way some people will say, “she’s my sister and my best friend.”
2) The neighborhood, two police cars in such a short time, the plain casket…these seem to suggest poverty rather than the simplistically put “black neighborhood” as all of the Michael suggestions imply. Jack seems surprised that no one else showed up.
It’s interesting that viewers seem to think that Mr. Echo was standing on the street across from the funeral home and that it was Sun and Jin sitting behind Jack on the plane. Is it that all non-whites look alike?
3) Ben was not deceiving Jack over the shooting of Jin, Sayid, and Bernard. It is clear that Tom or Pryce chose to shoot into the ground, based on their conversation after the fact.
Comment by rosemeow — May 26, 2007 @ 11:10 am
May I direct your attention to this page: http://www.phillsworld.co.uk/lost.cgi?forum+view+55
Some interesting ideas which I think you’ll all like to see regarding the coffin’s contents.
Comment by The Pearl — May 26, 2007 @ 11:12 am
>The funeral director asked Jack if he was friend or FAMILY. Doesn’t that rule out Michael and Walt? I think the question, when asked of Jack, implies that the deceased is white.>The funeral director asked Jack if he was friend or FAMILY. Doesn’t that rule out Michael and Walt? I think the question, when asked of Jack, implies that the deceased is white.<
Would Bernard consider himself Rose’s family?
Comment by rosemeow — May 26, 2007 @ 11:41 am
I assume it’ll end up being that format from now on…Someone said earlier how they thought it was the first time the show started with a flashback(flash forward). Im not sure if thats true, but what they said after makes alotta sense (and got me thinkin). The way I see it now, is that the roles of the settings are going to be changing…but it won’t be very noticeable from the audience’s viewpoint (the show will still have a very similar format). There will still be scenes from on the island, while off-island scenes coincide…but now the off island scenes will be post island scenes. The post island scenes, in essence, will be the present day…whereas the “flashbacks” will now be on island scenes. They obviously don’t just get rescued immediately…theres wayyyyy too much left to discuss on the island (SMOKEY….the perimeter security system where Mikhael shot blood outa his ears…and whats on the other side of it??…the “temple”…everyones illusions, etc, etc). The show wouldn’t work doing a post rescue story for all the survivors. They all live in different parts of the world, it’d be too hard to have even two characters get together per episode…and they couldn’t keep all the actors/actresses on payroll if they were only gonna be in an episode once every 3-4 weeks.
Comment by Damon — May 26, 2007 @ 11:46 am
Ohh annndd:
I think the “He” Kate is referring to could definitely be her son. I heard someone mention that a day ago…It makes sense, it’s late at night(her kid would want mommy around)…and assuming they’ve been home for quite a while (jack losing his mind had to take a while, along with all those flights he made every friday) she could have definitely had the baby she got checked for on the island
Comment by Damon — May 26, 2007 @ 11:55 am
Is it possible that Jeremy Bentham is an anagram itself? Also, I think that not only Jack’s cell phone in the flashforwards, but Naiomi’s Sat phone are significant. Having no experience with Sat phone’s I wonder how advanced it is? Looked pretty advanced to me. Great Site!!!!
Comment by Robb — May 26, 2007 @ 6:34 pm
I think that they wont be rescued this time, because Desmond said that they got into helicopters, and from what they have showed, anything that flies over the island crashes, I belive that for the next 3 season we will see the flashforwards instead of the flashbacks (wich is the best way they can take the show goven that we know almost everything about the characters) and in the flashforwards will see the journey back to the island leading up to….. thse series finale were they get rescued as we see the flashforward were jack and probably kate get back to the island…..
Comment by bestiapeluda — May 26, 2007 @ 9:14 pm
I loved the finale.
I can’t get out of my head how much the episode(s) felt like a true ending. If Lost WAS to have ended here, it would have been perfect; how fantastic an open ending would it have been? A flash forward, giving enough information indicating the events following that important phone call at the radio tower. All I need now is the fate of Locke, Danielle and Ben, who I don’t see getting off that island any time soon.
I really hope the next season won’t go downhill from here…
Comment by Queppy — May 27, 2007 @ 2:53 am
I loved the finale.
I can’t get out of my head how much the episode(s) felt like a true ending. If Lost WAS to have ended here, it would have been perfect; how fantastic an open ending would it have been? A flash forward, giving enough information indicating the events following that important phone call at the radio tower. All I need now is the fate of Locke, Danielle and Ben, who I don’t see getting off that island any time soon.
I really hope the next season won’t go downhill from here…
Comment by Queppy — May 27, 2007 @ 2:54 am
Unless it is all lighting,
Jack has a lot of gray in his beard during the march to the radio tower.
He has virtually none in the “flashforward”.
Now I believe it is a flashforward, but still believe that future can be alter, or course corrected
Desmond is the key to the whole shebang, I am convinced brother.
Comment by coachJ — May 27, 2007 @ 4:19 pm
I think the key think to remeber here is timeline.
The writers havesaid the show on isalnd is “real time”, the flash forward is just that , the hidden anagram confirms that. Therefore the show is not taking place in the past and the future can change. So the flash forward we see will only happend if certain things on the island occur.
The producers have said that to suceed Jack needs to fail
Comment by Frank — May 28, 2007 @ 4:58 am
Frank, you said that “The producers have said that to suceed Jack needs to fail”. Did they say that or did they mean that Jack would make sacrifices such as letting some of his own people die for the majority of the group to be rescued? When and where did the producers make that statement? I haven’t read or heard that.
Comment by Stingerdawg — May 28, 2007 @ 8:47 am
I think Michael is in the coffin, walt and john will kill him. The flashforwards are just that, and cannot be changed.
The series will stay in the island for at leats two more seasons.
The others and the losties will become one force to battle the new bad guys.
I did not like the season finale that much. charlie´s character had a great ending.
Comment by isaac — May 28, 2007 @ 10:40 am
after when kate and jack met at the airport, when kate pulled away in her her. i think that her registration plate tranlates to JACKBACK. if anybody could find out that wud be great
Comment by shaun — May 28, 2007 @ 11:57 am
Jack said either! The person in the casket is Claire! The key is Aaron! Aaron is the chosen one!
Comment by someoneisright — May 29, 2007 @ 6:47 am
I doubt it’s Claire or Aaron. Kate was pretty miffed when Jack asked why Kate wasn’t at the funeral. Kate has nothing against Claire or Aaron. I seriously think it’s a character that hasn’t been introduced yet. OR, maybe it’s Locke. He might lose his legs later in the series, which explains the size of the casket. And Locke has done a few things to thwart the Losties’ efforts to get off the island, so maybe he does something really bad soon (since he really doesn’t want to leave) making Kate and several others resent him. I dunno…
Comment by SeanHouTx — May 29, 2007 @ 10:08 pm
Watched the whole season finale on iTunes. Thank God they made it widescreen format. A few of the previous episodes were not. Checking for easter eggs right now. Jeez… someone help me.
Comment by SeanHouTx — May 29, 2007 @ 11:13 pm
Why is the symbol for the LOOKING GLASS station a rabbit? Is it an Alice in Wonderland reference? Through the Looking Glass was its sequel, but I don’t remember there being a rabbit. Anyone? Bueller?
Comment by SeanHouTx — May 29, 2007 @ 11:37 pm
It’s “neither.” Closed captioning.
Comment by SeanHouTx — May 29, 2007 @ 11:38 pm
Has anyone figured out what the book is next to the coffin?
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