Greatest Hits Easter Eggs
How many white rabbits did you see tonight? I saw two, but the most important white rabbit on my mind was the episode "White Rabbit" from season one in which Charlie proclaimed "I Can’t swim!" We can over look that for now though, can’t we?
GREAT Episode.
Comment by Steeeeve — May 16, 2007 @ 8:19 pm
Ben had a white rabbit as a pet when he was a boy, as shown last week. Hmmm, if time slows for animals too, did Alex just kill her “dad’s” pet?!
LOL. I think I am kidding.
Comment by kkty — May 16, 2007 @ 8:21 pm
one of the best episodes ever.
as for Charlie’s claim that he couldn’t swim - is that a mistake or is it something to show Charlie’s state of mind at the time. he was still on heroin, right? not that that excuses him. anyway…
great episode indeed.
Comment by mike — May 16, 2007 @ 8:22 pm
I thought that was Ben’s white rabbit that Alex was fileting too…
I didn’t think Charlie could swim either… Did the producers screw up on this one? Or is there some logical way to explain why Charlie (said he) couldn’t swim before? Did he technically “swim” in this one? He just held rocks to sink and then was able to propel himself back up…
Comment by Dave — May 16, 2007 @ 8:24 pm
Why would DHARMA call it the Looking Glass “Hatch”? There doesn’t seem to be a hatch on it at all. Fans kept referring to the Swan as the “hatch”, as that’s what we first knew it as– just a door in the ground. It came to be synonymous with the station itself, but when DHARMA built the Swan the hatch itself was an ancillary feature, an emergency exit of sorts. I think the prop designers got confused when they labeled that diagram.
My point is that this oversight completely destroyed an otherwise good episode and that I’m never going to watch Lost again.
Comment by hexonxonx — May 16, 2007 @ 8:26 pm
But in this episode he said he was on the swim team or some such thing and claimed he could hold his breath for 4 minutes because of it.
Comment by Bryan — May 16, 2007 @ 8:26 pm
Also I didn’t notice that the Dharma logo during the episode was of a white rabbit. Duh for the looking glass station but I haven’t ever seen that logo before.
Comment by Bryan — May 16, 2007 @ 8:29 pm
Great episode!
As I recall, Charlie said, “I don’t swim” in that episode and not “I can’t swim” right as Jack was entering the water. Maybe it meant that he didn’t swim anymore but either way, I think we all were lead to believe that he couldn’t for the longest time. It does seem kind of weird that he could all along so maybe we misunderstood his wording.
Comment by trahald10 — May 16, 2007 @ 8:32 pm
I emailed you about the Dexter Straiton thing. Here it is for everyone else.
Basically the guy Liam mentioned about who they named the band after is most likely a reference to the Clan Straiton. They had a lion supporter named Dexter, and their motto is “I strive to rise.” I thought it was a dead reference to how Charlie obviously doesn’t want to die.
Comment by James — May 16, 2007 @ 8:36 pm
hexonxonx, u beat me to it. That was my major gripe with this episode too. I thought the rest was good, but the schematics labeling it as a ‘Hatch’ are like the Others calling themselves the ‘Others’, it’s conforming to our understanding, not making us understand.
Although I do think you went off the deep end a little there condemning the show forever because of a little thing like this. If the infuriating pile of questions without answers didn’t do it, then why did something so small? Straw that broke the camel’s back maybe…
Did anyone notice Hurley was a little bit off this episode? When he was talking to Charlie he just seemed weird, and I caught a reeeeeal bad vibe when he was leading Claire and Aaron off from the camp…Call me crazy, but with Hurley supposedly playing a ‘pivotal’ role the finale, I smell something fishy…
All in all, not even in the stratosphere of Man Behind the Curtain or the Brig, but a damn good setup for the finale…
…and I literally yelled WTF in my living room when those two chicks came out to confront Charlie. Like seriously W…T…F… Is Juliet lying, or does she not know? Are they Dharma, or this underground element there have been rumblings about? So many questions just from ten seconds of screen time. But I guess the same could be said for the Arctic dudes from last yr, lol
Comment by Revolution — May 16, 2007 @ 8:37 pm
I agree that that was a great ep, but man! talk about the emotional rug being pulled out… Des didn’t mention all the chicks with guns…
Comment by tomfishstory — May 16, 2007 @ 8:45 pm
That episode was something else.
It was one of the first in a long time that genuinely made my heart race.
It was exciting, but still really emotional..
great.
Comment by Taylor — May 16, 2007 @ 8:56 pm
Call me crazy, but the second chick with the bigger gun (not the blond that ran right up to Charlie) looked a lot like the chick that Sawyer ditched back in the day–the one with his baby.
Comment by Zac — May 16, 2007 @ 8:58 pm
I was kidding about not watching the show again. I was mocking myself for catching a detail like that. The Others have never referred to themselves as “the Others” by the way. One of them might have said “we’ll catch up with the others later”, but they meant it simply as “the other people”.
Comment by hexonxonx — May 16, 2007 @ 9:01 pm
Yea I agree about the Hatch thing hex. Why isn’t it called a station like everything else? Its not like ive ever called it the pearl hatch either. Other than the swan they’re usually referred to even by fans as stations. Bad mistake by the producers. Its not like they got the name of the station wrong tho. “Teh Lookig Glass Hatch” would’ve ruined it even more.
Comment by James — May 16, 2007 @ 9:07 pm
In the Season 2 DVD set, there is an interview with Dom (Charlie) In it he states that in real life, he loves the ocean and loves to swim. However his character can not swim.
That was the first thing I thought of when the events in tonight’s episode played out. I was waiting for Claire or Hurley to say “…but you can’t swim.”
I’m still confused over this.
Comment by xtremdelt — May 16, 2007 @ 9:11 pm
By the way…if that is just a diagram on that particular page of the sub docking area or “port”, then the use of the lable “Hatch” could make sense.
Maybe the next page is “The Looking Glass Kitchen” or “The Looking Glass Torture Room”
Comment by xtremdelt — May 16, 2007 @ 9:16 pm
Lostfan108 was spot on with spoilers tonight but honestly Doc, it didn’t ruin the episode for me. I still felt the drama and emotion for Charlie and I thought this would have been a good send off for Charlie. I hope they don’t kill him off because then it would be a cheat.
SPOILERS FOR OZ
This is exactly what happened with Cyril O’REilly on Oz. He was on death row, it was all emotional, he was just abotu to die when he was saved. Two episodes later they kill him off anyway….stupid. There was no emotion whatsoever.
This better not happen to Charlie.
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 16, 2007 @ 9:23 pm
There were a lot of details in the episode that we a bit iffy. Aside from what has already been mentioned, some of the cuts were just plain sloppy. I noticed twice in the episode that the lighting just did not match up… and in a pretty obvious way. First was the shot of Carl paddling away in his boat; in that shot the sun was setting, but when he reached the beach, it was mid-afternoon. Even if he were far enough away to paddle away from the setting sun (which would be ridiculous), it happened again during the scene between Charlie and Claire. It was much less conspicuous, but it really upset me that it was so sloppy.
Others may be upset that it was a shitty episode, but I’m just really upset about Charlie. I refuse to accept that he’s gonna die. Refuse. I don’t care what anyone says, I adore him and he is quite possibly my favorite character. And yes, I cried.
Comment by LaMer — May 16, 2007 @ 9:32 pm
What if Charlie is the white rabbit? There is an obvious connection to a looking glass and a white rabbit, but what if the ep “White Rabbit” was a precursor to this ep (as in it wasn’t Christian they were referring to as the white rabbit)? Perhaps Charlie couldn’t swim. Perhaps now he can. If two timelines exist or existed then Charlie is the white rabbit we should be chasing, as his new found ability to swim could be our first real big clue to alternate timelines…
Comment by cap10tripps — May 16, 2007 @ 9:52 pm
Charlie said “I don’t swim” plus he was high on heroin at the time so was probably in no capacity to swim. He swam in Fire + Water, too.
Comment by brermike — May 16, 2007 @ 10:00 pm
Desmond’s flashes indicate that he saw Charlie die again. What if he knows that Charlie will be tortured and killed (by DHARMA?), and he simply couldn’t let him go through with it? We saw a quick clip in the preview of Des racing in with a gun. Perhaps he has made the decission to save him again. Either way Sayid was wrong when he said, “How it works is irrelevant.” Score one for Jack (a rare miss from Sayid), and give a negative to Juliet (for now)…
Comment by cap10tripps — May 16, 2007 @ 10:01 pm
Best line in the episode:
Jack : “Sun’s goin’ down soon…”.
Perhaps more lines like this would’ve kept her out of harm’s way, eh?
Comment by midgetsaspets — May 16, 2007 @ 10:22 pm
Charlie can’t swim? We honestly only have the character’s word for it - a character who certainly wan’t a in a hero-role at the time. I’m sure no one stopped to think about it at the time of White Rabbit (writers included), but for us as fans I think it’s a simple switch to “he lied to get out of the peril.” There’s nothing canon to deny that, and it’s perfectly in character. If anything it makes his actions in this episode (boldly stepping forward and proclaiming his ability for the good of all) even more of an indicator of his character’s progression over the show. I almost wish they’d made more of a thing of it. You know, remind the audience that he DID make that lie…. perhaps a deleted scene
Comment by Will — May 16, 2007 @ 10:22 pm
I’m with you Zac, I could swear that was Cassidy holding the rifle in the Looking Glass. I’m wondering who the skinny blonde is, looks alot like someone Jack would have been into at one point.
I’m putting money down now that Samantha Mathis’ character Olivia (Teacher from Man Behind the Curtain) shows as part of that crew. Maybe Annie too?
And thanks to everyone for keeping the Lostfan108 spoilers out of here, it’s appreciated.
Comment by ungabunga — May 16, 2007 @ 11:16 pm
DAMN! you beat me to it. I was gonna say the same exact thing. Part of the show is about people overcoming there flaws. Remember in season one, Homecoming, Charlie cons Lucy and at the end after she finds out she calls him a coward. Perhaps Charlie was too damn scared to jump in the water and save joanna, in white rabbit. but now in greatest hits he is no longer a coward.
Comment by samsneed — May 16, 2007 @ 11:24 pm
Bob, I remember when OZ did that. It sucked so bad. I don’t want LOST to do the OZ thing . . . wantonly killing characters to the point where you don’t even care anymore.
Comment by Paula Abdul Alhazred — May 16, 2007 @ 11:25 pm
Of course Charlie could’nt hold his breath for four minutes, or swim. He was lying so he could get to the station without arousing suspicion that he’s a dead man walkin’. The flashback with his father is no proof he grew up to be a swim champion. If anything it showed he had a phobia of water.
Comment by Stev — May 17, 2007 @ 12:06 am
I think that Looking glass hatch reference is not for the underwater station itself, but a actual hatch that acts as a portal to the outside world. This explains why you’d need the sub as an excuse to reach it.
Comment by Stev — May 17, 2007 @ 12:11 am
Re: Looking glass being a portal to the outside world
I seem to recall Mikhail saying back in the Flame station that communications to the outside world were routed to a station in the ocean… Anyone else remember that?
Comment by Darren — May 17, 2007 @ 12:29 am
Re: Charlie didn’t die in this episode…
Doesn’t mean he won’t die in a future episode. The Looking Glass station will very likely be damaged in such a way that it takes on water and he has to eventually hit that button…
Comment by Darren — May 17, 2007 @ 12:34 am
Great post cap10tripps about charlie being the white rabbit. and check this out… i did a search on Dominic M. and this is crazy but i saw a link with him on the Peta website and when i went there there was a white rabbit logo next to the web address…pretty crazy huh…
Comment by Cryptmail — May 17, 2007 @ 12:36 am
hahahahah to go along with my other post here is the link so you can see the white rabbit plus the funny thing is the last thing he says on the interview is ” you cant kill charlie” hahahah interesting
http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/video.asp?video=dm_brollp2&Player=qt
Comment by Cryptmail — May 17, 2007 @ 12:43 am
Man, I had a nasty response for you and HxOxBlahBlahBlah and then realized…Who gives a shit if “fans” quit watching over non-issues like “hatch” semiotics…?
Sorry, not trying to start fights, but come on…
Comment by FuxOnXtc — May 17, 2007 @ 12:55 am
Was it just me, or was Naomi watching Charlie sing Wonderwall? When it showed his small audience, the girl on the left-hand side looked just like her, but with longer hair. She’s the one that pulls out the umbrella as the rain begins..
I may be mistaken. Good episode!
Comment by Fargo. — May 17, 2007 @ 4:50 am
midgetsaspets: “Jack : ‘Sun’s goin’ down soon…’.”
Thanks god someone else doesn’t have their nose so far up this that they can’t find humor in it from time to time.
I noticed an Easter Egg, at the point at which Charlie hits Desmond with the oar. The easter egg is that you’d have to hit someone ridiculously hard with a wooden oar to knock them out by hitting them in the FOREHEAD and would probably break the oar before you actually knocked them out. Desmond is clearly faking to get at what’s-her-face, the Aussie chick.
Comment by Indian Food — May 17, 2007 @ 5:49 am
Was the woman Charlie saved the same woman Sayid tortured and was kidnapped for torturing? Thought she looked familiar!
Comment by Amy — May 17, 2007 @ 5:50 am
Was the woman Charlie saved the same woman Sayid tortured and was kidnapped for torturing? Thought she looked familiar!
Comment by Amy — May 17, 2007 @ 5:51 am
The women in the Looking Glass look a whole lot like the island greeters in “Man Behind the Curtain.”
Comment by Jack's Back — May 17, 2007 @ 6:39 am
The women in the Looking Glass look a whole lot like the island greeters in “Man Behind the Curtain.”
Comment by Jack's Back — May 17, 2007 @ 6:39 am
Does anyone think that charlie is supposed to die saving claire?
i think the second time desmond saved charlie was when he swam out to save claire because he saw charlie drawn trying to save her.
i just thought it was interesting to have a similar flashback
Comment by ibhazey4 — May 17, 2007 @ 6:39 am
Could the blonde woman in the Looking Glass be Annie, Ben’s childhood sweetheart?
Comment by Jimmy Zer0 — May 17, 2007 @ 6:53 am
Cap10, I am with you on this.
It seems to me like Charilie had amazing clarity on the beach the first night after the crash. It seems that he grew a pair with the altercation in the alley which is out of character with the Charlie that we were introduced to in the beginning of the series…from heroin addict to hero.
Cap10, I think you may be right in that he was given the chance to work out the issues in his life an re-live them, but this time doing the right thing, making the right choices, and living with bravery to overcome his fears.
This was flat episode on first glance, but rich with depth upon second look. Still trying to avoid the spoilers that were put out recently.
Comment by TabulaRasa — May 17, 2007 @ 6:55 am
Where is Sayid get that map of the ‘looking glass’.
If you tell me he had it the whole time, but we never heard of it… well… I just don’t buy it.. he seemed surprised to learn about it…. and he would have guessed it was underwater by the submarine port and design. They left something out there.
Comment by tom — May 17, 2007 @ 6:56 am
So, heres my hypothosis.
Annie, Ben’s childhood friend, was his only friend, do you really think Ben would have killed her?
I dont.
I beleive Ben put Annie, [and perhaps her mother, Cassidy? Annie is Sawyers child?] in the Looking Glass to keep her safe, and kept her there, shes been in the know since the beginning.
But, the only problem is that the times are messed up then, because, well, Annie and Sawyer are about the same age..
Anyone able to spin something off of this?
Comment by ballerinababy — May 17, 2007 @ 7:13 am
I don’t think I have seen this posted anywhere, but did anyone find it odd that Naomi said DS put out a greatest hits album AFTER the crash and that it became very popular??? How after 3 months??? I guess it’s possible but it seemed to me she was speaking in PAST tense. Just a thought.
Comment by BlackRabbit — May 17, 2007 @ 7:22 am
He would have gotten it from the flame station, just like the map of the island that showed the barracks.
You are right though, there is a disconnect with his surprise of the station and having the map.
Comment by TabulaRasa — May 17, 2007 @ 7:22 am
Karl left in the morning right after Ben returned from his overnight trip to see Jacob, which is why it was afternoon when he arrived at the losties beach
Comment by kevin — May 17, 2007 @ 7:24 am
I agree with you Tabula Rasa. After “Flashes” I have always felt that Charlie was aware of the timeline situation. The show has been foreshadowing many things about Charlie from the beginning. The fact that his mother & brother kept repeating that “You have to save us Charlie.” and then the vision he had of Claire and his mother saying he has to save the baby repeatedly. It foreshadows that he is meant to save probably Aaron who I think is an important key to solving Lost. He is the fourth character connection (like the game) of Christian-Jack-Claire-Aaron.
I also think the whole washroom thing on the plane was not about the drugs but something else.
Unlike some people I don’t beleive that the producers are sloppy about facts but that in the end all things will come together.
I beleive the dark hoodie that Charlie wears means that he is aware of the time lines and is on a mission. Perhaps he did not save Joanna for a good reason something we don’t know.
The foreshadowing of the rabbit goes right back to his flashback and the bunnie slippers he wore as a child.
Now that we know it is the symbol of the Looking Glass Hatch and Charlie has a major connection to it everything comes together.
I think that it is obvious that there is a hatch there and it will be a portal to somewhere else.
Also Desmond getting hit with the oar symbolizes that he is looping to the other timeline again. That is where he probably hears the song Charlie wrote and gave him and realizes Charlie did not die so he has to help him. I also worry Desmond is the one who may die at least in this timeline.
I also knew that the Looking Glass staion would not be flooded when Juliet said that Ben had told her that. The forshadowing in this episode of Ben’s lies was over the top; 1st: He lied that Locke had had an accident. 2nd: Alex brings up the idea that Ben has lied to her about being her father. 3rd: He tells them the raid will be early because Jacob told him to do it that way. All lies so when Juliet says Ben told her that you could no longer go into the station you are supposed to realise it is a lie too.
Other clues I have not figured out is why the rabbit Ben had had the number eight on it( probably an important connection to the numbers) and why in Charlies vision of Claire and his Mom we see a white dove. The symbolism to birds may have a refference to Claire not Charlies character. Sorry so it’s long.
Comment by H20 — May 17, 2007 @ 7:46 am
i spotted desmond with a gun in hand in the finale preview and immediately had an awful feeling in the gut that desmond is the one who ultimately kills charlie. perhaps to put an end to his mystery after already being tortured. or perhaps for some other reason we don’t know yet.
if desmond truly does finish him off, then i think it would be safe to say he knew he would have to do this as soon as he started giving charlie his weird clairvoyant looks early on. it was like EXTRA weird looks too, like not just “i know you’re gonna die” but “it’s going to be me at the other end, brother”. desmond would have to know charlie would knock him out on the boat. he knew he wasn’t gonna replace charlie. he made the offer to give charlie his last hurrah - so he could be the hero that he wanted to be. i’m sure this is all dead wrong but i think it works.
second theory/guess - the brunette that you see for a split-second in the looking glass station is none other than ben’s childhood friend annie.
Comment by Valenzetti — May 17, 2007 @ 8:00 am
Couldn’t Charlie swim pretty darn well in Fire + Water, when he swims far out for Aaron, more than once?
Comment by Amy — May 17, 2007 @ 8:17 am
I think that was in his dream. But it might show he was self aware that he could swim well even though he led others to beleive the opposite.
Comment by H20 — May 17, 2007 @ 8:24 am
Fair enough, but the shots still don’t match up. First you see him get into the boat: blue sky, maybeee mid-to-late morning. Then you see him paddling: sunrise/sunset whatever. I know its a very small detail that no one probably noticed, but it really irks me, especially from a show of this caliber.
Comment by LaMer — May 17, 2007 @ 8:27 am
OMG I just figured out what Hurley’s dark side will be……….he SITS ON BABY AARON!!! AAAAHHHHH !!
Comment by spoiled — May 17, 2007 @ 8:38 am
Anyone get a good look at The Mugger last night? I thought that was suspicious. And notice that when Charlie was playing his guitar in the rain, Desmond never ran up to him and freaked him out like in the flashback. Interesting….
But if there are more stills from last night, put em up!
Comment by Steeeeve — May 17, 2007 @ 8:54 am
Check over at the LOSTPEDIA for some interesting hypothesizing that we have been doing regarding the equations that are featured not so prominently in the blueprints here! They are very similar to some featured in a research paper from the US dept of Transportation and discuss tidal frequencies, etc. The URL above gives a direct link to the talkback page in question.
Comment by Frenk Melk — May 17, 2007 @ 9:26 am
I think the sub (before it was destroyed) was kept at the looking glass station. The two women were probably assigned to maintain the looking glass and monitor the systems. When the sub was destroyed, they became stuck down there (maybe). Maybe there should be some dive suits and oxygen tanks just in case of emergency.
Comment by SeaOfGreen — May 17, 2007 @ 9:33 am
To my knowledge, the word “Hatch” was dubbed by the losties, and it was Desmond who called the Looking Glass a “hatch”. It’s just a made up word for their stations. Don’t get upset over it hexy.
Comment by supa — May 17, 2007 @ 9:41 am
pure speculation.
i looked up gvs and one of the options was a company that does filter technology. i searched for looking glass and an iv drip chamber came up. could me something but also im bored at awork and looking for ways to keep me busy take it for waht you will
Comment by Ibhazey4 — May 17, 2007 @ 10:06 am
I was wondering why they didn’t attempt to sever the cable to the Looking Glass. Do they think it has an independent power supply?
Comment by Jim — May 17, 2007 @ 10:07 am
Good catch, Steeeeve! Obviously, this is the way Charlie remembers it happening in *his* past, ignorant of Desmond’s time-looping. Of course, this is assuming it’s not just taking place on a different day. Also… is it possible that when Desmond freaks Charlie out in the, errr, “revisionist history” version of events… that it somehow prevents him from saving Nadia?
Comment by RunKateRun — May 17, 2007 @ 10:11 am
Has anyone found info about the formulas on the schematic? I wonder how they relate to blackholes since the rabbit in the Dharma logo clearly has a BLACK HOLE. Also note the Looking Glass Hatch has an observation room.
Comment by John — May 17, 2007 @ 10:16 am
It seems obvious to me that the Looking Glass station is how they get to the general area of the island from the outside world. Then the sub takes them to the surface. There is probably some sort of metaphorical “rabbit hole” this would coincide with how Juliet had to drink that OJ/tranquilizer to get to the island similar to when Alice found the bottle that says “drink me”
Comment by Charlie Lesoine — May 17, 2007 @ 10:36 am
This just flashed into my head. Ben’s white rabbit is one he saved from DHARMA. They were doing experiments on it hence the 8 on it, classifying it test subject 8. Kind of weird that he was willing to let it die to see if he lowered the fence low enough though. I guess he is willing to kill things he loves to further his plans.
Comment by theisland — May 17, 2007 @ 11:12 am
Who says he loved the rabbit? Seems like the others like rabbit stew. He certainly didn’t hold much love for dad or Locke.
Comment by John — May 17, 2007 @ 11:20 am
Unless Desmond’s flashes are out of body experiences or he’s telling lies, wouldn’t he have to be in the looking glass with Charlie to know that Charlie hits a flashing yellow switch before drowning? Flashes before your eyes indicated that Desmond relives his life as himself in the flashes. Therefore, he would have to be in the station to know what happened to Charlie in such detail.
Comment by C — May 17, 2007 @ 11:26 am
Great episode…
i wasn’t expecting greatest hits number one to be the moment he met claire.. that was nicely done from the writers.
of course ben lied to the others when saying the “looking glass station” was flooded… but then this makes it very unlikely the “port to the real world”, because juliet was about to take the submarine with jack, and this means the island could still be left, but not from ‘the looking glass’.
I don’t know who the blonde girl in underwater station is… but i’m 100% sure that the second one coming out of the door, the brunette, is Cassidy, sawyer’s long con victim and lover… the one who helped kate meeting her mother. I don’t know where the idea of Annie came out, but it sounds very unlikely… annie wasn’t blonde ! assuming you’re talking about the blonde one
oh, and yes… why didn’t the just cut the cable from the beach.. if it is bringing power to the underwater station, then this should have cut the radio signal hacking thing..
did anyone wonder of why Ben came back pretending to anticipate the trip to the losties camp ????? did jacob told him that juliet told everything ? or maybe about the tape recorder ??
guys.. next week’s going to be the last one… then i really don’t know how i’ll be able to wait until february 2008
Comment by diego — May 17, 2007 @ 11:59 am
The cable isn’t electricity, its an anchor (although I thought the same thing till I saw the specs).
Juliet was drugged so she THOUGHT the sub took her to the island. The sub only took her from the Looking Glass to the island (I like that Charlie Lesoine’s theory).
Excellent point about Desmond needing to witness Charlie flipping the switch…although I think Desmond saw something else entirely…maybe himself being captured so he decided to lure Charlie to do it instead so Desmond could rescue him?
Comment by John — May 17, 2007 @ 12:52 pm
I know everyone is hooked on the “he cant swim issue” but I think the girlCharlie rescued from being mugged on his fashback is actually sayids love interest… no?
Comment by bestiapeluda — May 17, 2007 @ 1:13 pm
Is it possible that Desmond didn’t see Charlie dying this time? At the beginning, I thought I noticed a little smile on Desmond’s face when he looked back at Charlie–not the look of someone who had a flash of someone dying.
He also didn’t seem to have a problem with taking Charlie’s place. Perhaps the Looking Glass is inhabited by sex-hungry women banished from the island because of the whole pregnancy thing. And Charlie really digs a threesome–please, just put down the guns, ladies.
Can’t wait for next week to see how totally off I am.
Comment by TungstenOrWolfram — May 17, 2007 @ 1:45 pm
Man it’s risky going to this site anymore if you don’t want spoilers…Anyway, I was thinking that as much as I like Desmond there could be more to him than we know right now. I found it suspicious that we were told about Desmond having flashes yet we didn’t see them this time. What if Desmond isn’t telling the truth to Charlie about his dying. What if he saw Penny in the helicopter in his flash? I’m just concerned that Desmond is hiding something even though I love the character.
Comment by bdub — May 17, 2007 @ 1:48 pm
maybe wrong, we got glimpses of the two other guys in charlie’s band in that flashback to the rain and the radio, and one of them looks very similar to the guy charlie seemed to know when he was being a hero in the alley, the one trying very poorly to steal the girl’s bag. testing charlie? or was it a set up?
Comment by tichinskaya — May 17, 2007 @ 1:56 pm
Okay, did anyone actually WATCH the S1 epi? Charlie doesn’t say he can’t swim, he says he DOESN’T swim.
Comment by Cha Cha — May 17, 2007 @ 1:59 pm
Didn’t anyone else see the DEAD GUY HANGING in the Looking glass? You could see it when Charlie got out of the water.
Comment by Mojs — May 17, 2007 @ 2:28 pm
tichinskaya: I was thinking the same thing, I’m comparing some screenshots I have and it’s pretty damn close.
Comment by zapdsl — May 17, 2007 @ 2:35 pm
Are you talking about this photo? It almost looks like a person.. but hard to tell
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1291-937.html
Comment by 1miletogo — May 17, 2007 @ 5:03 pm
totally sucked into this now!! i see what your getting at and it is possible. Ben is older, and he was a boy when he saw richard - who has not changed at all - therefore it is possible. Were not told the time between sawyer in jail (annies birth) and sawyer on the island. nor are we told when ben arrives on the island. omg - think weve cracked the scrips!
Comment by RandomnFan — May 17, 2007 @ 5:11 pm
i really thought at the begging of this ep when charlie was in the pool with is dad they were gonna explain this by him not being able to but having a fear of drowning,it looked set up that way but nothing happened, strange hopefully charlie is not gonna die and the producers have left this story line open for charlie on why he said he couldn’t swim,also why did desmond even tell charlie about the button and he was gonna drownded if he’s the one who had the visions, desmond certainly seemed more qualifies then charlie to go if he at least new were the button is, and who the hell would sacrifice themselves just to get some people rescued, stop them from dying ok but rescued, you must be joking they can swim, also i was hoping for a good set to the underwater hatch and it looks quite a nice set!
Comment by nickk — May 17, 2007 @ 7:40 pm
reading the comments on here it seems quite obvious who has looked at the spoilers for next week and who has not,without giving anything away, i hope they were foilers l!
Comment by nickk — May 17, 2007 @ 7:49 pm
i would actually be quite shocked if charlie doesn’t make it, thinking about it the producers clearly made an effort to show charlie ok in the water and actually good at swimming even though we thought otherwise and this was going to be a traumatic experience for him which would lead us to understand why charlie can’t or won’t swim,also after reading someone elses comment i remember on the box set to him saying that charlie can’t swim but he’s actually a great swimmer in real life, seems to me as though this would have been very apparent to the producers and have set this up on badness, “to be continued” unless they just got really complacent!
Comment by nickk — May 17, 2007 @ 8:02 pm
i though the same fn thing!!!! thought i was crazee ..at least from afar it did!!!!
Comment by themachine — May 17, 2007 @ 9:38 pm
I think Annie is dead. I think her and Ben tried to have a child and she died which is why he is so obsessed with curing the “island abortion” problem.
Comment by Flashes — May 17, 2007 @ 10:51 pm
I think maybe the Dharma members that weren’t killed in the Purge are the ones in the Hatch. Ben bargained for their lives, but they weren’t ‘acceptable’ to join the Hostiles community, so Ben had them put in the Looking Glass instead. I think one of them is definitely Annie, I don’t see how it couldn’t be…
Comment by Revolution — May 17, 2007 @ 11:16 pm
Sorry, think it is a scuba outfit.
Comment by Mojs — May 18, 2007 @ 2:23 am
I think Desmond lied to Charlie about Claire and Aaron because he wanted to go down there for some reason. Of course Charlie would lose his life to get them rescued and Des knew that.
That does kind of make sense that one could be Annie. She was so involved in Ben’s flashbacks there has to be more to her story. He probably stowed her there so the “Hostiles” wouldn’t kill her with the other Dharmas.
Comment by AnotherOther — May 18, 2007 @ 7:16 am
Here are a few thoughts I shall call “Hidden Depths”.
On Charlie and swimming, for example. His claim, in an earlier episode, that he “doesn’t swim” (not the same as “can’t” - good spot, Cha Cha ) can, I think, be explained by his then state of mind - not only as an addict having suddenly to adapt his lifestyle from hedonistic rocker to realistic rock-dweller, but also as a sad figure lost among strangers. He arrives on the island at, er… rock bottom. Better not to admit to having a skill when your confidence is that low.
As time passes, of course, Charlie grows: giving up the heroin, forming a comfortable, non-sexual relationship with Clare, and bonding with several of the men. No longer is his life a series of emotional flashes of the curt HATE FATE LATE kind, but a more mellow, more relaxed posture, now drawn in softer images of the “Christmas Liam gave me the ring” variety.
(Let’s ignore any mention of hobbits and rings, shall we, tee hee?)
Carlton says something about heroes in that ‘Answers’ programme… which, it seems to me, adds only some touches of colour for the benefit of those whose myopia or Daltonism prevents them seeing beyond the superficial. LOST - like the island itself - is complex, variegated and multi-levelled. Many of the secrets of this tale are underground (or under water). Charlie’s mission does not involve him swimming far; nor does it need him to be a lifeguard. But it does ask him to emerge as something of a Frodo-esque hero… or die nobly in the attempt. I wonder if he kissed the heirloom ring before leaving it in the crib. After all (or so I’m sure I saw) that’s what he did before approaching Clare for the first time.
And is the story about to kiss goodbye to Bernard or Sayid? The choice of those left to aim for the dynamite seems curious. Not Sawyer, Kate or Rousseau, all of whom would surely be more likely candidates as marksmen/women? Can we see Bernard as Boromir? Maybe not. And yet, in many respects, Bernard’s tale is told. The island is no place of redemption for him… unless, of course, Carlton’s moasic has yet to reveal a murkier past than that of gentle dentist.
I think we can safely assume the white rabbit Ben had as a child is not the same one he had when conning Sawyer in the Dharma zoo. But I just loved all the play with Alex gutting a similar (domestic) coney shortly before telling Carl she no longer accepts that Ben is her pop.
Sawyer has had his share of heroism for the time being. Kate is overdue some real action. Jack is back as Jack, the leader with a remarkable knack for screwing it up. Surely Juliet, Hurley, Jin, Sun, Clare and Desmond all have futures in store. Sayid - far too accomplished militarily to be a ‘tragic hero’ - may be destined to disappear, though I think the brief appearance of Nadia in Charlie’s ’streets of London’ flashback hints otherwise.
And so, wallowing in the delight of the quasi-Fellowship-of-the-Ring single file walk towards an appointment with explosives, we head for a climax. Not the final final showdown, but the end of Book Three. And, lest we forget, this particular ending has to have several functions: to conclude the part one might call ‘The Others’, to remove certain pieces from the board; to invite us to return full of anticipation in January.
With crafted precision, the writers have divided the tale and its protagonists, just as they did at the end of the previous two ‘books’. This time we have four (or even five) tightly-drawn strings, all waiting to snap: Charlie and Desmond on the water, like Frodo and Sam heading for Mordor; Sayid and the ambushers, hiding in the bushes; Ben’s piratical bad guys heading our way; Jack Aragorn leading the peasantry to the safety (oh yeah?!) of Helm’s Deep… and, of course, Gandalf Locke waiting to ride to the rescue after his encounter with Ben Saruman, the mouthpiece of Jacob Sauron. Or not.
It’s all jolly exciting, I reckon.
Comment by Marcus — May 19, 2007 @ 12:07 pm
Man,
Lighten up! Why throw a great story out … just for a little flaw???
Besides, this is supposed to be fun and entertainment.
Comment by jfar — May 19, 2007 @ 1:47 pm
HATCH: DEFINITION
a small door or opening
Sayid’s Looking Glass HATCH schematic is not a goof or production gaff. The creators are flat out telling us that the Looking Glass is a DOOR. The whole station IS a hatch = a door.
Comment by 7ate9 — May 19, 2007 @ 2:19 pm
You could very probably be right, hadn’t thought about that. A door to where, I wonder?
Hmmm…
Comment by KrissyLove — May 19, 2007 @ 5:27 pm
It seems purposefuully done; to have the rabbit references and the episode from season one. TPTB must want us to think about why charlie can swim now, or if he was hiding the fact that he could swim.
Comment by Apollo — May 20, 2007 @ 8:15 am
heehee…kudos to whoever made all those LOTR allusions. I found them rather far-fetched, but hilariously accurate at some points.
I CAN’T WAIT TILL WEDNESDAY!!
Comment by Kelpipper — May 20, 2007 @ 4:23 pm