One Rotten Apple… UPDATED
I am honestly appalled at the level of spoilers that have circulated on not only "Greatest Hits," but the finale "Through the Looking Glass." Obviously I can’t say much about just how peeved I am until after the cut, because I’ll need to discuss the spoilers first, but trust me. I’m probably more pissed at this point than Carlton and Damon combined. Mostly because it represents a disappointing lack of control amongst some of the fan sites that have published them, and it caters to a person with a frame of mind that is anything but that of a LOST fan.
Why would we do this folks? Why would we go as far as to publish information that ruins the mechanics of a well planned surprise for a show that we claim to be devoted to? Whether innocently, or not, the decision to run the complete synopsis for "Greatest Hits" and "Through the Looking Glass" is a huge mistake. To read them is an even bigger mistake.
In their most respectable form, spoilers are tempered to provide provocative ideas about what might happen in an upcoming episode. Occasionally, they give up a specific detail without context, giving us the fuel we need to theorize towards actually possibilities.
In their most despicable form, spoilers deprive us the thrill we would experience when the carefully executed plot reaches its sweet spot. Also, these extreme spoilers cause people to pre-judge a concept of plot without seeing it executed. A sad sad way to evaluate the artistic process of film, or any other medium as far as that goes.
What this guy did was seek to ruin the experience of what will be our last two original episodes of LOST for eight long months, and in many cases he has done just that. Sadly, the moderators, webmasters, and posters of the world who claim to be fans, have contributed to this ruination.
If you are a Harry Potter fan, you may want to avoid this. But here is a video that portrays the type of attitude this person has fairly accurately:
nobody is forcing you to read the spoilers, bro.
Comment by el ron — May 15, 2007 @ 11:00 am
Good on ya doc!
I have carefully averted my eyes from the largest of these spoilers and even tho I am a verocious spoiler hound knowing the ACTUAL plot of the finale is not desirable!!
Gonna have to be real careful in next 9 days now!!
But all In all I totally agree with ya Doc.
Your truely hardcore fanboy for suuuuure!
Comment by beatlab — May 15, 2007 @ 11:02 am
Doc, could you be a bit more specific about which sites/posts to avoid. I’d like to try and avoid as many of the hard core spoilers as possible.
Comment by C — May 15, 2007 @ 11:03 am
Doc: Don’t you think by posting this angry article that you’ve just confirmed the spoilers to be accurate? Not that I don’t agree with you 1000%, but there’s a lot of speculation out there that they are just foilers….just a friendly comment.
Comment by NotOphelia — May 15, 2007 @ 11:04 am
They’re fake anyways so why does it matter?
Comment by Mike Lenert — May 15, 2007 @ 11:05 am
If it upsets you this much, you should take a stand and remove the SPOILERS section from your site. Or better, have the SPOILERS tab link to a graphic of a big middle finger. Those like you who hate spoilers with such passion will get a kick out of it, and those of us who are ok with them and even seek them out will just shrug it off and move on. Everybody wins.
I’ve read many a detailed preview of this and other shows and still enjoyed watching the episodes live. There’s always more to an episode of Lost than can be conveyed through bullet points and summary notes.
Comment by Vex Machine — May 15, 2007 @ 11:09 am
But at the same time, I understand his point. It’s very similar to the person who looks at a Cliff’s Notes version of a classic novel (say Grapes of Wrath or To Kill a Mockingbird) and due to the way the plot is summarized decides that the book is pure shite. You aren’t giving the author the benefit of the doubt by reading his book; instead you are taking someone’s own thoughts, opinions, biasies, etc. and making them your own. Now, I love a good spoiler; but I also agree that you aren’t giving the writers or the producers of Lost a chance to tell the story in their own way with their own vision, and I think that is what Doc is trying to say.
But then again, I could be wrong.
Comment by Huey — May 15, 2007 @ 11:09 am
agreed. you don’t want to know, then don’t read the spoilers. Seems someone is a little jealous of a certain DarkUFO. You’re not just trying to win votes for that Hugo Cup, are you? Nah, didn’t think you would stoop to that level.
Comment by Agent Balls — May 15, 2007 @ 11:10 am
its in a fucking spoiler section for a reason SPOILer… it spoils it… grow up and have some self control… or as ben or richard might tell you, PATIENTS…
Comment by Jonah — May 15, 2007 @ 11:10 am
Shamefully I have read the recent spoilers concering “Greatest Hits” and “Through the looking glass”, however alot of what I read there seem like foilers to me. Ofcourse I may be proven wrong, but until that time I am sure that most of what I read there is complete guess work.
Comment by Chris — May 15, 2007 @ 11:10 am
haha yeah and also i just read someone elses post of this… it is painfully obvious that you are jealous of darkufo…
Comment by Jonah — May 15, 2007 @ 11:11 am
I kind of agree with you…although you might be reacting a teeny bit harsh, sorry to say. However, I checked one sites spoiler and i wasn’t expecting a full scale summary of the last 2 episodes, and i hope they are wrong because it gave too much info and spoiled it for me
Comment by LiLi — May 15, 2007 @ 11:13 am
I regret reading it. In the past, spoilers have never been so revealing so far in advance like that. Considering that it could be the biggest surprise in the show thus far, I’m afraid I’ll merely be deflated when I see it.
I can’t get enough of Lost but I’ll be more careful from now on. It’s a show I want to watch first and read about second.
Comment by outburst — May 15, 2007 @ 11:14 am
Doc,
As previsouly stated. Doesn’t the fact that your addressing this as a spoiler actually lend credibility to the spoiler and the source? If this is a foiler then why bother?
Comment by justjared — May 15, 2007 @ 11:17 am
yeah, i have heard lots of people say they’ve had the finale spoiled and it will ‘blow your mind!’.
I like to peek occasionally, but i’ve been extra careful about the last 2 episodes. All i know is charlie and jack…something.
Comment by peter — May 15, 2007 @ 11:17 am
I read some of the spoilers, basically i scrolled through them because i was weak willed I guess. I generally avoid spoilers of this nature, but for some reason I wanted to look at them.
To be entirely honest, even though in general I avoid spoilers, I see absolutely no problem with reading spoilers. I avoid them because I think it detracts from the fun of watching the show, and I am sad I know what I know about the finale (assuming what I read was true… which I think is suspect to being a foiler). Regardless I don’t think it makes any sense to say people that read spoilers are bad people, or ruin the show. People that run around making thread posts with spoilers in the title, or things of that nature maybe… but if some fan wants to read a spoiler himself… thats fine.
If someone is constantly spoiled it may detract from the show but… it’s just for them. If I were the producers I’d be mad at who leaked it… but again, as I mentioned I think it’s possible the spoiler is just a foiler. Maybe I deluted myself into thinking this so that I can still be surprised, as I really don’t know enough details to be able to verify the spoiler until probably the last minute of the finale.
Comment by Jason — May 15, 2007 @ 11:17 am
Doc, I respect your opinion and I’m sorry the spoilers leaked ruined anything for you or for anyone that didn’t want to be spoiled. But I cannot say that your opinion applies to everyone. I for one choose to be spoiled when I want to be and I chose these two. I know, from past Lost eppys that I’ve been spoiled for (Flashes Before Your Eyes) it does not spoil it for me at all. I consider the spoiler the book version and the show the movie version of the book. Since I’ve been mostly spoiler free since the season began, I feel I have a lot to compare my reaction to and I don’t believe it spoils it for me at all.
Comment by jbdean — May 15, 2007 @ 11:19 am
How do we really know what is true and what is false regarding the spoilers? The creators know we’re dying to know what happens in the finale. Wouldn’t it be possible that anything we’ve read about the finale are all foilers, possibly stemming from them? If most of the actors don’t even know the outcome, who would? Many of the spoilers I’ve read are all virtually possible, but I wouldn’t put money on any of them. The truth will come…
Comment by MB — May 15, 2007 @ 11:19 am
It doesn’t matter though Doc….those “spoilers” have been pretty much been proven fake…in my mind at least.
There full of holes; it leaves out a lot of content that we know for a fact is supposed to be in there. The guy who gave this info to AICN and dark was googled and if you check out the other forums he’s posted at, it shows he acts like a preteen hoodlum. I think this is nothing more than a glorified fan fic and we will see tomorrow that it was false.
It could also be elaborate disinformation to keep us in suspence.
Remember last year where we were totally spoiled about the finale and it turned out it was 100% false. Remember it said that the button wouldn’t be pushed and 4 giant pillars would come out of the ocean?
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 15, 2007 @ 11:19 am
Now that i think of it….it’s true. I was spoiled for “The brig” but it still made my heart jump!!1
Comment by LiLi — May 15, 2007 @ 11:21 am
i meant watching it made my heart jump.
Comment by LiLi — May 15, 2007 @ 11:22 am
This is the slippery slope with spoilers…there’s no “happy medium.” Either they give too much or not enough info…or they’re just plain wrong. IMO it’s up to the reader…not the moderators…to not spoil surprises. I’ve seen the spoilers posted in several places today, but have not ruined it for myself…other than to ask someone if Charlie FINALLY dies…which I won’t repeat. There’s no denying the information leak once an episode is finished…perhaps there is still a part of “Through The Looking Glass” that we don’t know yet…the arctic scene stayed pretty quiet last year if I recall.
Comment by Mitch — May 15, 2007 @ 11:24 am
Doc, I couldn’t agree with you more. I am making this post without having read your commentary (except the part on the front page) because I don’t want to be totally spoiled. I realize that this site, and Dark’s too, is technically a “spoiler” site. And I don’t mind “minor” spoilers. But I really don’t want a blow-by-blow, scene-by-scene reveal of everything that is going to happen. I read the “Insider Scoop” as posted on Dark’s site once, and swore I’d never do so again, and I haven’t. It completely ruined the viewing experience of the episode. I come to these sites for the speculation. I enjoy the theories, no matter how far-fetched, of the average viewers. People, who like me, are trying to unravel this wonderful mystery we have been given. Now, with all the reputed complete spoilers floating around, I’m afraid I’m going to have to give up reading these sites until after the finale. That really sucks. I appreciate your understanding that this is the position many of your loyal readers/participants are in. And I am equally aware that there are some who DO want all the minute details. You are faced with the Catch 22 of having to serve both audiences. So, it is with great regret that I bid you all farewell until May 24. I’m really going to miss you all, but I’ll have a lot of back-reading to catch up on in 8 days. Until then…
Namaste,
gusteaux
Comment by gusteaux — May 15, 2007 @ 11:25 am
DarkUFO made it very clear that by reading on, you would be COMPLETELY spoiled. He was very specific about that, so anyone who pressed the button did it out of free will and have no one to blame but themselves. And that is why I voted for him. He didn’t get the spoiler info and keep it to himself, he made it available to those who wanted the information. Good for him. I’m more sorry that I read this post. You make the Lost viewers who chose to read the spoilers sound like brainless sheep who were led into temptation.
Comment by Ang — May 15, 2007 @ 11:25 am
For once im right with you Doc, whether the spoilers are real or not, i’ve not read them and dont for the love of all things want to, yes in earlyish episodes I would read some details but synopsis of the last 2 episodes I don’t agree with at all. I want to be surprised and most of all I want to watch my final episodes of lost for 8 months without knowing whats going to happen, whether its your decision or not to read them is irrelevant (it should not be leaked) and I like many others are dreading the next week and a half of being told whats to happen, through social circles, media, internet circles, its pathetic that you have to live like a hermit because you dont want to know whats going to happen in a tv show.
Comment by Sheepboy — May 15, 2007 @ 11:26 am
One more thought. The reason I chose to be spoiled this time around (and I think it was the reason for the majority of the fans I interacted with on boards) were the deaths this season. If the Lost writers would stop killing off our favorites (first and second seasoner’s), I think that would cut down on a lot of the spoiler need. I just had to know if my faves would live or die and that lead to reading stuff on the last two eps of the season. They just can’t threaten to dangle our faves out over molten lava and not expect us to want to know who’s dangling and who’s not! So, in a way, they make us look.
Comment by jbdean — May 15, 2007 @ 11:26 am
I concur with Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants!
It is way too soon before the finale to lend credibility to much of anything not directly from the mouths of Darlton. Sure, this person did their research and incorporated much of what we already know, but also seemed to leave out as much.
We could purposely be being led astray. Who knows, maybe Doc and Dark are in cahoots!
Comment by SOSLost — May 15, 2007 @ 11:32 am
Actually I had some of this info in advance of DarkUFO and he will confirm that if he feels like it. I chose not to release.
Comment by DocArzt — May 15, 2007 @ 11:33 am
Doc…I’d agree with you, but I read this ’spoiler’ after reading Herc’ tease, and already being a bit suspicious about their validity.
Now, I know that we don’t have the same inside info as you, but we have enough info from some very valid sources (interviews with cast members and producers) that this synopsis just doesn’t feel right.
Let me add that if you’re knowingly engaging in a disinformation campaign, you deserve some serious props…and I’ll admit, I’m very suspect of you, AICN, and DarkUFO at the moment…you’ve all been accurate all season long, would you all pull a fast one us? Or facilitate someone else’s pulling a fast one?
I’d love to hear your thoughts on this, and perhaps any reasons why you are so certain that this ’spoiler’ is true.
If nothing else the death tolls between the summary and what you, DarkUFO, Ausiello, and Kristin have hinted at is off…
Comment by wedestroymyths — May 15, 2007 @ 11:37 am
Exactly, Doc, you “chose not to release.” Who are you, the protector of all Lost spoilers?
Comment by Ang — May 15, 2007 @ 11:37 am
And it hasn’t occured to you that your sources gave you disinformation?
You had SOME of this info in advance.
Thanks SOSLost! You and I are the true believers lol.
Anyway if we watch tomorrow’s episode and this info turns out to be true I don’t care really. It’s just a show and I have more important things to do the rest of this year then to worry about it.
And besides, Dark kept stressing to me that the info was only 30% of the episode….
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 15, 2007 @ 11:40 am
I’d just like to add that if all of this was some sort of ruse then I and SOSLost are the only ones who weren’t fooled. WE CAN’T BE CONNED!
Anyway, yea I forgot Doc and Dark are good friends with many connections. I don’t see it far fetched for them to be pulling our leg in a group con.
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 15, 2007 @ 11:41 am
Here’s something to chew on for those of you who have been accidentally spoiled and think the world might end: Even AFTER an episode of this show airs and I talk about it with friends or read about on the Net, I see dozens of different interpretations of what happened, I see and hear a new theory from every other person about how X episode will play out in the coming weeks, and I comb sites like this one for all the easter eggs I missed or to read about all the character names and connections that some of the more wonderfully insane recappers dig up to add meat to the show. Hell, my 81-year old grandmother watches this show and doesn’t have a clue about ANY of the crazier elements of the plot. She just wants to know who Kate will choose between Jack and Sawyer.
One recap of questionable origin and written by someone with very little dramatic flare is not going to ruin the next two episodes for anyone, and neither will spoilers in general.
Comment by Vex Machine — May 15, 2007 @ 11:42 am
If people are looking for spoilers, they find it. That’s a process initiated by the viewers. Those who don’t want to be free of spoilers, you don’t search for spoilers. But I suppose people may need to see some spoiler scala.
May be someone could produce a spoiler system. The viewer can just mark how much, about what to get spoiled and then can see the spoilers. As it seems spoiler market needs some sofistication.
Comment by Dan — May 15, 2007 @ 11:42 am
Simple Ang. This site is about the conversation and the story of LOST. NOT about spoiling its secrets. That is most of the reason why I even get info. Not because some source thinks I’m a great place to peddle wares; because they value the conversations generated here and like to give the occasional tip of the hat. Food for thought, in other words. The point here was not what fansite got the info first. Because guess what, that site was AICN. It was published in the comments there and the comments were later selectively edited. So any reappearance on a fansite is just a cut and paste of that and nothing more. So sorry for those of you who think I feel any particular LOST site scooped me, because AICN scooped everybody. Who cares about being second?
Comment by DocArzt — May 15, 2007 @ 11:43 am
Huh? This logic of thinking is flawed. The Harry Potter guy ruined the book for people who did NOT want them. Avid fans, and users among the LOST communities, do not HAVE to be spoiled. Most of them aren’t. They’ll watch having no idea what to expect. Only the ones who enter the spoiler forum and who WANT to know, will know. I don’t see the problem with this.
The people you should be mad at are ABC for allowing this to leak. (if indeed real)
Comment by steve — May 15, 2007 @ 11:43 am
Wow. I knew the animosity amongst these fan sites was at an all-time high, but I didn’t think you, Doc, would stoop so low as to trash a fellow site here. Reading this post here was the biggest spoiler of all. And to think, DarkUFO even gave you credit as a mentor:
“These are confusing and crazy times which my good friend DocArzt over at The Tailsection warned me about.”
Pathetic.
And, yes, you need to answer all of us one question: Are you validating their spoiler, or not? Putting this trash out here just spoils the fun even more. You’re claiming that the spoiler that they adamantly claimed could be a FOILER is true. So, is it, or isn’t it?
I’m sure I’m not the only Tailsection reader who is sick and tired of the crap that’s been going on with this site. I don’t care how you win - you don’t deserve the Hugo Cup or any other award following this rigamarole.
Comment by Jenn — May 15, 2007 @ 11:44 am
Get a grip you loser
Comment by DarkUFO — May 15, 2007 @ 11:46 am
Doc, if this site is not about spoiling Lost’s secrets, then why do you care what happens on other sites? Just stick to what you’ve done all along and don’t badmouth those of us who enjoy spoilers as much as we like watching the show. And we can still read your site when we want to read intelligent “conversations” about the show. I don’t care who got the info first, but don’t look down on me if I want to read possible spoilers on other sites.
Comment by Ang — May 15, 2007 @ 11:48 am
Doc,
I’m not interested in going back and forth in some banter pointing fingers like some of these other folks but I do wonder why you even addressed this at this point. It seems like it would have been a topic better suited for post finale comments rather than before the episodes air.
To me, you are either in cahoots with dark and ABC to intentionally mislead viewers so they are truly shocked with the finale or you are giving credibility to thses spoilers indirectly.
Comment by justjared — May 15, 2007 @ 11:50 am
something about jenn’s with the extra ‘n’ seems to make them extra mean…i know from real life…
and muscle_bob…i agree with you wholeheartedl.
Comment by wedestroymyths — May 15, 2007 @ 11:51 am
Who are you to tell me I’m not a fan of LOST simply because I like to know what’s coming beforehand?
You embarrass the rest of us and you embarrass yourself.
I think the rest of us LOST fans would agree with me there.
Comment by Chris — May 15, 2007 @ 11:56 am
Alright I will add wedestroymyths to the LIST!!!!
WE CALL SHANANIGANS ON THIS PRANK!!!!!!!
^LoL that wasn’t the real Dark was it?
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 15, 2007 @ 11:56 am
Doc: Some of these people are downright mean; I suggest you turn off your computer for awhile.
And listen to your two-faced selves! All of you are posting that it’s your right to read or not read, yet you’re railing against Doc for posting his opinions on these so-called spoilers! Well, if you don’t like what he posted, don’t read it! Hypocrits!!!
Comment by NotOphelia — May 15, 2007 @ 11:57 am
I totally agree with you, however I still haven’t read it, but by the sound of it, many people think its a hoax.
Comment by Jeebs — May 15, 2007 @ 11:59 am
NotOphelia, I’m posting because I don’t like being called names for exercising my right to read a spoiler. I’m posting because I’ve always enjoyed visiting Doc’s site…until this post. Doc’s attitude is judgmental and slanders many of his readers, not just me.
Comment by Ang — May 15, 2007 @ 11:59 am
Ok, I read some sort of spoilers (foilers, if you asked me!) But still, if it turns out they are true. WOW! I am completely speechless…. spoilers or not, Lost’s writers are some twisted genius…I am speechless…I, now, look foward to watch the shows to see if THAT’s what going to happened…
But you know what, don’t make a fuss about it, it’s probably foilers…though it would make such a good finale *winks*
Comment by MC — May 15, 2007 @ 12:01 pm
“Spoilers SUCK!”
“Spoilers ROCK!”
“Everybody’s too goddamn absolutist! Oh, wait…”
Comment by Richard Lennox — May 15, 2007 @ 12:01 pm
Ang: I understand where you’re coming from; I do. But, having read all your comments, my question is…if you’ve been offended, why are you still here and commenting? Why not just “adios Doc” and log off? To remain and continue complaining serves no purpose. Follow your own advice, stop reading if you don’t like it…no one’s forcing you to. (posted with no ill-will, truly, I love all my fellow losties and yes, I too read the spoilers)
Comment by NotOphelia — May 15, 2007 @ 12:02 pm
Well, I think it’s a good time to remember that a majority of the people who watch lost (let’s call it 60%) will never see these spoilers because they don’t go chasing them down online. While I have seen them, my wife, parents, and other friends who don’t really use the web a lot will be surprised when they see both episodes.
Comment by Rich — May 15, 2007 @ 12:02 pm
NotOphelia:
No one is two-faced. We come here to read insider information from someone who gives us insightful theories and sneak-peeks. Not to read personal angst from the administrator of a site like this. This post was absolutely pointless, and it just made DocArtz look like an ass.
Comment by Jenn — May 15, 2007 @ 12:03 pm
So does the outburst mean the spoilers are real?
Comment by binky — May 15, 2007 @ 12:10 pm
Jenn: You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. But I just have to add my opinion: I’m reading a lot of posts from a lot of people who are beginning to look like asses, and none of them are named DocArzt! Cheers everyone and best wishes for goose-bump filled viewing - whether you’ve read the spoilers or not!
Comment by NotOphelia — May 15, 2007 @ 12:10 pm
MC you have been added to the list that includes:
Me
SOSLost
wedestroymyths
These are foilers and Doc and Dark are conning us!!!!
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 15, 2007 @ 12:11 pm
NotOphelia, I have enjoyed this site for a long time. It hurts that Doc just lectured all of us who love his site but also love spoilers as if we should be ashamed of ourselves. He’s entitled to his opinion, but to be outright rude to a large portion of his readers is downright nasty. So that’s why I continue to post. I feel that as a loyal reader for so long, I (and many, many other readers) don’t deserve this. There, I’ve made my point and I’ll move on to another site that will accept me, regardless of if I choose to read spoilers or not.
Comment by Ang — May 15, 2007 @ 12:17 pm
I agree with outburst. I also regret reading it and I hope I am not disappointed when the finale airs. I also will be more careful from now on. A little bit of a spoiler is one thing but this revealed more than I thought, IF it is true.
Comment by DrQuest — May 15, 2007 @ 12:18 pm
NotOphelia: Now, you don’t have to get personal. None of these comments from anyone to “you” are actually directed at “you.” Your arguments have just given us a means to tell Doc exactly what we think.
Comment by Jenn — May 15, 2007 @ 12:19 pm
I cant believe the stick Doc is getting for this, i’ve never been his biggest fan, his theories usually annoy me, im right with him on this, you can spoil it for yourself or not I really dont care, what do I do care about is myself not getting that same choice when its given tv, newspaper time, and the people deliberately go out and ruin it for fans like me. What you lot dont seem to understand is that some of us will not have a choice.
Comment by Sheepboy — May 15, 2007 @ 12:21 pm
Wow, I’m stunned. This is a response that’s supposed to make us be on your side? Big disappointment.
Comment by jbdean — May 15, 2007 @ 12:24 pm
NotOphelia, it’s not an opinion when he states it as fact with words like “this is like …” That’s not an opinion. Opinions come off with words like, “I think that …” or “IMO.” His post is clearly “speaking for all Lost fans” and he’s just not.
Comment by jbdean — May 15, 2007 @ 12:28 pm
Thanks for the post DocArzt. I completely agree with you on this one. But most of all, I feel sorry for the pathetic losers who would actually ruin the whole episode for themselves by reading the spoilers. I mean, when you know what’s going to happen, how much fun is it to watch the actual episode?
Besides, who actually gets more surprise out of reading the twists ahead instead of watching them in the actual show? So to all the people who know what’s coming in the next two episodes:
Haha, you just screwed yourself over. No more LOST for you until next year!
Comment by Black_Smoke — May 15, 2007 @ 12:29 pm
I am sorry DocArzt, but I don’t agree with your rant.
No one is forcing anyone to go over at these sites and read spoilers. These sites are CLEARLY labeled as spoiler sites and they take ALL the precautions needed to alert the reader that there are spoilers in there.
I WANT to read spoilers, so I go to these sites. If I didn’t want to, I wouldn’t visit them. So, what makes YOU the person to DECIDE for ME if I should be able to read spoilers or not? It is not in your hands, and it clearly should not be.
I know that you wrote this rant for DarkUFO’s spoiler site, but I say that DarkUFO has a massive Lost site, and only one part of it is about spoilers — and it’s clearly labeled as such. If people don’t want to read the spoilers, they simply don’t press that damn button to go there.
So, where’s your problem exactly? That Damon and Carlton are going to be pissed off? So what? I love Lost, but I don’t pay homage to anyone. I pay by watching the ads at ABC.
Give me the benefit of the doubt and let *me* decide HOW I want to watch Lost. If I want to be surprised or not, that should be up to *me*.
Your rant would have some ground if DarkUFO was posting the spoilers on the main news site, and without any javascript-based or other precautions to alert the user. But he does not do that. He was careful. And he should be given a medal for his professionalism on how he handled the matter under the circumstances, rather than your bitter rant that reads like FUD (”oh, my God, the Lost experience is ruined”).
No, it’s not ruined. Get hold of yourself.
Eugenia
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Senior News Editor
http://www.OSNews.com
http://www.TuxTops.com
Comment by Eugenia — May 15, 2007 @ 12:30 pm
This has to end. Most of the posts today have been totally negative and drowned in hate. Doc is a good friend of mine…we just happen to have differeing opinions on what and when to release in terms of spoilers for important episodes such as this upcoming finale. Truth is, my cock is twice the size of Doc’s, and he hasn’t had sex with any living being other than sheep for the last 3 years. He gave me no information which carried any validity toward the spoilers I posted, and he even offered to toss my salad in exchange for the Hugo Cup. I rejected that offer. Namaste.
Comment by DARK UFO — May 15, 2007 @ 12:31 pm
Admittedly, I have definitely read the spoilers. I’ve read every “Insiderscoop” on DarkUFO since I found out about them.
And to be honest, not one spoiler post has ruined any episode for me. These spoilers are written so poorly, with so many holes, you never can tell just how a scene will be executed.
Yes, I’m always instinctively mad at myself for reading spoilers, but the show always delivers in a way far more amazing than what I was expecting.
And DarkUFO isn’t at fault here. We, the viewers, choose whether we want to push that button or not. If we do, it’s our consequence. Not DocArtz’s.
Comment by Jenn — May 15, 2007 @ 12:35 pm
Nicely spoken. Marry me.
Comment by Balls Deep — May 15, 2007 @ 12:36 pm
>And to be honest, not one spoiler post has ruined any episode for me.
Jen, same here. I’ve read the spoilers, and still, I have enjoyed Lost immensely. As long as an episode is well-done, no matter if you know what happens or not, you are going to enjoy it.
Comment by Eugenia — May 15, 2007 @ 12:37 pm
This genius acts like there’s NEVER been spoilers released in explicit detail before today.
WTF, man. You’re about 2 years too late on this. Dumbshit.
Comment by STFU Daniel — May 15, 2007 @ 12:40 pm
WHO WANTS TO KNOW SOMETHING FUNNY?
Ive just read all that without having any idea what any of you are talking about, having not been to darkUFO before…but…the incredible thing is, that ive managed to skim read all those posts without gaining even the slightest idea about whats supposedly going to happen lol!!!! seriously, its a riot! right..now, im off to go make sure i dont read those spoilers. Namaste.
Comment by mw — May 15, 2007 @ 12:41 pm
That’s just the thing (yes, Muscle Bob Puff Pants, I’m onto this, too):
Is he validating the spoiler or setting us up?
I just keep thinking, this post was so ridiculous, there has to be more to it. Otherwise, I’m embarrassed for Doc.
Comment by Jenn — May 15, 2007 @ 12:42 pm
I didn’t read it, but I was spoiled on the forum I go to… and I loathe myself for doing it! Damn it!
I’m putting my faith in this being a big long con devised by all the spoiler sites…… well one can dream!
Comment by Selina — May 15, 2007 @ 12:42 pm
Jenn, I sincerely doubt Doc or UFO have seen the finale. So they don’t know one thing from another. I think Doc mistakenly saw something he didn’t want to know for fear that it might be true.
Then he comes on here and throws his hissy fit at the rest of us “non LOST fans because we read spoilers”.
Comment by Chris — May 15, 2007 @ 12:44 pm
I respectfully disagree. I am a spoiler junkie. When I am all geeky over something, like I was for the Lord of the Rings movies, I want to know everything there is to know about it NOW. If I have to wait until I see whatever it is in the theater or on TV like the rest of the world, so be it, but if there is somebody out there publishing the goods, I’m there gobbling up every scrap.
Lost is no different. I want to see the remaining two episodes yesterday, and I want to suck the whole story out of the brains of Damon and Carlton too. I don’t want to spoil it for other people; I’m just that curious.
I mean, after all, this is the Lost Spoilers section of The Tail Section, not the Lost Spoilers* section.
* Just some of the spoilers… nothing really juicy.
Comment by Ed — May 15, 2007 @ 12:46 pm
I think everyone should just chill until we see if these “spoilers” pan out. The same thing happened last season when someone released a synopsis of Live Together Die Alone, and guess what? It was a foiler. I for one am also on the bandwagon that thinks these are foilers as well. The fact that some schmoe somehow has already seen the finale, when according to last weeks Lost podcast, it wasn’t even finished until Sunday. That’s a mighty quick turn around. So relax everyone, let’s see where the cards fall before we start pointing fingers.
If this does turn out to be a foiler, then props to the guy who wrote it, because it’s thought provoking none the less, and if it turns out to be real, then props to Darlton. I’ll sit, watch, and enjoy the hell out of the season finale just the same as I would have before. Because it’s safe to say that there is a huge difference between reading spoilers on a page, and watching them play out on screen.
Comment by The Climaxan — May 15, 2007 @ 12:47 pm
>>This has to end. Most of the posts today have been totally negative and drowned in hate. Doc is a good friend of mine…we just happen to have differeing opinions on what and when to release in terms of spoilers for important episodes such as this upcoming finale. Truth is, my cock is twice the size of Doc’s, and he hasn’t had sex with any living being other than sheep for the last 3 years. He gave me no information which carried any validity toward the spoilers I posted, and he even offered to toss my salad in exchange for the Hugo Cup. I rejected that offer. Namaste.< I truly hope this isn’t the real DarkUFO because if it is … you just lost a reader. What childish comments to make!
Comment by jbdean — May 15, 2007 @ 12:49 pm
Doc –
Sorry so many people here are being jerks about your opinion. I think your post has merit in terms of how the spoilers were revealed — all at once, rather than slowly to build anticipation.
If people don’t like Doc so much, go out and start your own website. Oh, wait, most of your haters are too lazy!!
Comment by kkty — May 15, 2007 @ 12:50 pm
LOUD NOISES!!!!!!!
I love lamp.
Comment by El Prez — May 15, 2007 @ 12:51 pm
“I’m really ashamed at the lack of respect the LOST ‘Fan’ Community has shown to the creators…”
Yeah. This makes me mad. I think we all respect this show immensely. Otherwise we wouldn’t keep watching. Duh.
Comment by Jenn — May 15, 2007 @ 12:51 pm
I read those spoilers by accident and I hope they are not true… If so I will be very disappointed. If they are not true then good job to ABC for putting out such great foilers.
These particular spoilers were not clearly marked as “giving away the whole story.” If they had been I would not have read them.
Comment by Eric — May 15, 2007 @ 12:52 pm
**i don’t know if this would be considered spoiler stuff or not, so please skip this question if you hate being spoiled******
************
Now, i was thinking about the spoilers i read for the last 2 episodes, and i noticed alot of the sites said that Hurley would be a central part of the finale…If so, the Big spoiler on DarkUFO is wrong or has alot of juicy details missing, because he mentions nothing about Hurley so YAY!!! LOL.
Also, can’t we all just get along….
Comment by LiLi — May 15, 2007 @ 12:53 pm
Oh, yes he does. Go read again.
Comment by Jenn — May 15, 2007 @ 12:56 pm
vroom, vroom. squish.
Comment by decypher44 — May 15, 2007 @ 1:01 pm
Watch out! Doc will ban you for spreading spoilers!!!!
Death to spoilers! Ha.
Comment by Jenn — May 15, 2007 @ 1:02 pm
I read the spoilers at DarkUFO and I don’t buy it…
Granted the user did a great job, but there are too many holes, and a lot does not make sense. I give kudos to the guy for making up such a hoax, but I think Doc is overreacting. I have yet to see any real spoilers.
I seriously doubt the validity of what I’ve seen.
Comment by Tom — May 15, 2007 @ 1:05 pm
Why in the world did you publish this? The gist of the blog comments over at DarkUFO was to debunk the spoilers as being foilers. I had convinced myself that was the case and now you give credence to the whole thing by ranting about it! This whole thing would have blown over for a week. So now instead of anticipation about what will really happen, you have essentially established that yes they are true. And on top of it you make a petty argument of having it first (although you didn’t publish it) You should be ashamed of yourself!
Comment by Foiler or Spoiler — May 15, 2007 @ 1:06 pm
I think i know what your referring too, or maybe i don’t i’ll read again, but if it’s what i think your talking about i don’t think it makes him central to the finale….
Comment by LiLi — May 15, 2007 @ 1:08 pm
just read them..after promising myself i wouldnt lol!
anyway..heres why i dont buy it:
THATS NOT A GAME CHANGER. IT DOES *NOT* “BLOW MY MIND”. *JOKE ABOUT IT BLOWING ;)*.
too easy, too simple. however, it does allow some connections to be made with TLE afterall! but i still dont buy it. boring boring boring. …well not boring at all, but…i reckon it might be something better.
Comment by mw — May 15, 2007 @ 1:09 pm
You couldnt be more wrong Doc - personally the spoilers are usually so small that they make the actual episode more exciting.
However, I am distusted about the release of the “Death List 5″ from Dark UFO. Too much, just too much
Comment by The Ghosts of the DHARMA Initiative — May 15, 2007 @ 1:09 pm
It’s not HUGE, but they do mention him, and it is unexpected.
Comment by Jenn — May 15, 2007 @ 1:10 pm
Ooohhh, Controversial topic here… Btw, what spoilers? (That question would be funny if it were sarcastic… but it’s not…) I have to say I agree with you Doc though. It defeats the purpose and it’s almost like stealing the rough draft to a book before it’s published. Which is, obviously, wrong. Of course, when the writer, or producer in this case, releases the first or third chapter on their website… As they usually do, it is alright. Did that metaphor/example make sense?
Anyway, it’s the theories I come here for. Sure, they’re inspired by a bit of Spoiler-ing as well as hints from the previous episode, but mostly it’s fun to see if you or others are right (or compleately wrong. like usual).
Comment by Brown — May 15, 2007 @ 1:12 pm
Yes, it is unexpected, but i read somewhere, i think spoilerfix that he was going to play a major part of the season finale or that he would be the center of the finale… that to me is not playing a major part, just a major change in his character as we know him… get what i’m saying? I guess i’m trying to see if this is true or not in the long run.lol
Comment by LiLi — May 15, 2007 @ 1:16 pm
Alright the list now includes:
Me
SOSLost
wedestroymyths
MC
Jenn
The Climaxan
Tom
Foiler or Spoiler
mw
WE DECLARE SHENANIGANS ON THESE MASSIVE SPOILERS. WE WILL BE HEARD!!!!
All in good fun =)
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 15, 2007 @ 1:16 pm
I posted this to the site that posted these spoilers but I thought it might be good to post here again…
This may or may not be true but I lean towards it not being true. We will find out tomorrow, but my guess is that the whole thing is a foiler.
ABC must know that people are clamoring for spoilers, so the best way to stop that is to release a big foiler, and then make it seem like it is real. Maybe they didn’t release it but by having it removed from AICN they lend it some credibility. As this gets spread people will talk more and more about this and will (hopefully) stop trying to get more spoilers.
I personally hope this is not true because I have avoided reading the episode synopses for quite a while now and I enjoy the show that much more. This one was marked as a “spoiler,” not as an “episode synopsis,” which is why I even read it.
I’m sure that if this is true it will be done much better on the show than it is written out, but I pray that it is a foiler and not a spoiler.
Comment by Eric — May 15, 2007 @ 1:17 pm
Have you people ever considered this was setup by him and Dark, and by doing this it adds credibility to Dark’s foilers in an attempt to trick us? It’s exactly what they want us to believe. They were both contacted by Damon and asked to do this since they both run highly successful websites.
Comment by Rob — May 15, 2007 @ 1:18 pm
youre my hero, buffpants!!! there was me thinking nobody read my posts anymore
SHENANIGANSSHENANIGANSSHENANIGANSSHENANIGANSSHENANIGANS
SHENANIGANS!
pffffft. continuity tricks my arse.
…SHENANIGANS!
Comment by mw — May 15, 2007 @ 1:19 pm
OOh now your writing up lists? what, am I tainted? Are you now Jacob? I kid, i kid.
Comment by LiLi — May 15, 2007 @ 1:20 pm
Apparently I’m a ghost to you =)
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 15, 2007 @ 1:23 pm
Doc, ignore these people…..you have your ethics and I appreciate it! Yes, I read Dark’s site and while interesting and plausible, I did not consider the ending that suprising nor that HUGE of a game changer…. if that gamechanger cliffhanger moment is all Darlton could come up with, I am disappointed. Which is why I think there is ALOT more to the ending….
Doc Keep up the excellent work and to all you 14 year old’s who take good peoples names and smear it with 9th grade remarks about one’s sexual organ, please go back to class. You have a couple more weeks before you can discover what it is… at your neighborhood swimming pool.
For the adults who do come here….Please keep this site clean….there are good teenagers (my own) who like this site but really have no business reading such childish trash. It is really simple if you want to be really spoiled/foiled read the info, if not don’t click on it!
Comment by thirdflr — May 15, 2007 @ 1:24 pm
BTW - I think that there might be one or two points that will come true, but for the most part are foilers. They have to be false. If they are TRUE, then I will be highly dissappointed. Very weak.
Comment by decypher44 — May 15, 2007 @ 1:24 pm
Hah. I called you Muscle Bob PUFF Pants. Sorry, that was accidental, I promise.
Comment by Jenn — May 15, 2007 @ 1:24 pm
Eric, Rob and LiLi have been added to THE LIST!!!!!!!
List:
Muscle Bob Buff Pants
SOSLost
wedestroymyths
MC
Jenn
The Climaxan
Tom
Foiler or Spoiler
mw
Eric
Rob
LiLi
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 15, 2007 @ 1:24 pm
…nah…i was jacob for a post last week though. no one was buying my resemblence to Lenin.
i dont know why im hanging around the comments page tonight…but this is quite an interesting one, afterall..
Comment by mw — May 15, 2007 @ 1:24 pm
I’ve come across a few spoilers that I wish I hadn’t, but the people that are at fault aren’t the community as a whole.
1. It’s either - whoever leaked them aka the studio or creative people…whatever. More likely it was someone they trusted, such as the people who generally release the teasers. I’m guessing that this isn’t wanted by the writers. Whoever broke their trust should be to blame.
2. I have nothing against those who want to read spoilers. I can understand the desire to find every little nugget of info out there. However there are people who are active in the community and don’t want to read them. It is up to the webmasters and moderators to keep these groups seperate. Constant post monitoring is needed when these kinds of things happen. Be ready to move a post or insert spoiler font. You’ve taken on the responsibility of being a mod or admin, here’s where you have to work at it.
3. Anyone who reposts without excessive warnings. In general things slip out, it happens, but the entire story? It’s simply common sense to give fair warning. This isn’t the same as seeing Locke in a youtube promo of the finale. This is a big deal.
Personally, I wasn’t careful enough, and am kicking myself for it. I hope it’s all lies, so I can get a nice surprise in 3 weeks
–fish
Comment by fish — May 15, 2007 @ 1:27 pm
Okay, for reasons that will become apparent in 9 days, I WAS going to stay out of this conversation completely… but that was just way too damn funny.
As was El Prez’s comment. I think he’s onto something with his theories on loud noises and lamps. I also suspect he killed a man with a trident.
You users (and Doc of course) who have fun with things and understand the utter lack of emergency that Lost SHOULD create in our lives are the reason that I continue to visit this site.
I say “good day”!
Comment by evangelical poet — May 15, 2007 @ 1:27 pm
Hey, how about this spoiler I sae for Titanic when it came out: “The ship sinks and almost everybody dies!”
For some reason, even though everyone knew the goddamn ship was going to get hit by an iceberg and sink, it still made (excuse me) an ocean liner full of money and millions of people went to see it multiple times.
And, I have to tell you, I knew snape killed Dumbledore before I read the book. I still read it and enjoyed the hell out of it.
The point is that if it’s a well done story it should be netretaining regardless of whether you know the outcome.
And, with Lost, the Spoilers almost always set up new mysteries anyway.
Comment by Hesiod — May 15, 2007 @ 1:35 pm
hmm, good business model “I’ll insult my customers for taking part in a service I provide, spoilers, but get especially pissed cause one of my competitors, Darkufo does a better job of it.” Don’t patranize me like I’m some child jerkoff. I’m a grown man and I’ll make my own decisions, which now includes NOT coming to your crummy site ever again.
I’ve been spoiler-free for some episodes and know most everything that will happen before others, I enjoy watching the show either way. Why would I want to waste my time readin Doc’s (or anyone else’s) dumb theories about the show–none of them turn out to be right and I can just as well come up with my own.
get over yourselves
Comment by Pretty-Faced — May 15, 2007 @ 1:37 pm
Actually, I don’t usually read spoilers. A lot of times, I’m tempted, but I resist the temptation because I want to be surprised. I need to follow the story in the episode from beginning to end and not say, “Oh I read this would happen.” Because it’s the storytelling, the writing that got me hooked. Of course, there are times that I can’t resist reading spoilers. But, for the most part, I don’t. I’m a bit of a purist, so there.
Comment by Lost2010 — May 15, 2007 @ 1:40 pm
“You users (and Doc of course) who have fun with things and understand the utter lack of emergency that Lost SHOULD create in our lives are the reason that I continue to visit this site.”
What?
You users, who have fun with things, and understand the utter lack of emergency, that Lost SHOULD create in our lives….
I’m sorry I just don’t understand can you put that in stupid terms so that I can read it?
Are you saying fun is bad? ARe you using the word emergency in the right context?
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 15, 2007 @ 1:41 pm
he said fun is good and thats why he comes here.
on that note id like to add an anchorman quite, but i cant remember any, bar those already used, and so im going to quote randomly from sigmund freud. no, update, im not. the man is not very quoteable. i give up. long story short: he meant fun is good and that wrangling over lost and whether we should or should not be spoiled is all a bit silly, really. i agree.
Comment by mw — May 15, 2007 @ 1:51 pm
Add me to the list. Methinks Doc protest too much.
And this Lost site is the best hands down!
Comment by lostjunkie — May 15, 2007 @ 1:55 pm
IF THIS IS A FOILER TO COVER UP THE DEATH OF KATE… I blame YOU, spoiler kings! I will be so heartbroken… I hope this is not what you are trying to do please…
Hello ppl from Dark!
Comment by Selina — May 15, 2007 @ 1:55 pm
“I’m really ashamed at the lack of respect the LOST ‘Fan’ Community has shown to the creators that worked so hard to come up with a thrilling conclusion, just to see to it gutted across the fan community.”
I actually just read that, I guess I missed it when I first skimmed through your rant. How is it lack of respect?
I spent most of the day, like many others, discussing the final two episodes. Whether we like them or not, we’re still going to tune in Wednesday night and watch.
If anything, the mass discussion and controversy over this stupid topic has shown how much we all respect the show. I don’t go on South Park, Nip/Tuck, or Family Guy forums and discuss the show. I don’t hunt down spoilers any of them either because I don’t care enough to. Lost has a huge fan base that hunts down spoilers on a daily basis because we cannot get enough of it. That right there is respect my friend.
Anyway I still don’t think you’re mad and you just posted this to help your con with Dark!!! Come on now would you really bash all the people that come to your site? WE, ON THE LIST, ARE ON TO YOU PAL!
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 15, 2007 @ 1:57 pm
Ok we get it, you LOVE Kate : )
Comment by cjscott — May 15, 2007 @ 1:58 pm
I guess I am a pathetic loser? That is awesome!!
Comment by cjscott — May 15, 2007 @ 2:04 pm
I know we are getting to the end of the season and the information faucets are drying up, but do we really have to resort to discussing the etiquette of other websites?
This is the specific reason that I no longer visit AICN for any Lost information. And, a startling majority of talk-backers are 13 year olds thinking they are actually contributing to an intelligent discussion by calling each other names.
I come here to banter with fellow lost-addicts about Lost. The very fact that I have been suckered into making a post on this subject makes me think MuscleBob is right. Dark and Doc are pulling a Benry on all of us.
Comment by TabulaRasa — May 15, 2007 @ 2:04 pm
Who gave you the right Doc to decide what makes a Lost fan? If people choose to read spoilers what do you care? No one is forcing anyone to read them. Complaining about them likely sent another large group of people out looking for them.
I like spoilers. Which is why I read them. It doesn’t hurt my enjoyment of Lost at all. If anything I am more excited to see how this massive twist plays out now that I know *supposedly* what it is.
On DarkUfo’s site there is a huge warning for people not to click the link. And yes, the major spoilers are hidden behind a link, not even out there for someone who stumbles across them.
Comment by Mike — May 15, 2007 @ 2:14 pm
hey Doc artz i used to read spoilers but then found the show much better when i didn’t. So don’t tell me but is the “Snake In The Mailbox” revieled
Comment by lost815 — May 15, 2007 @ 2:23 pm
I have a challenge for you DOC. here it is.
Become the 1st LOST fansite to COMPLETELY abolish spoilers.
it would return SO MUCH dignity back into the show.
Comment by berf — May 15, 2007 @ 2:24 pm
I’m just curious. Can I be on the list too? I don’t know what it’s all about, but it looks like the in crowd
Comment by DocArzt — May 15, 2007 @ 2:25 pm
Did anyone notice that at the 31:34 of the 20th episode the black smoke was over the chair at Jacob’s place? Is was just before the human figure of Jacob appeared. Could anyone confirm me that? Or am I crazy? LOL
It would be a very good proof that the smoke could materizalize itself in human figures (like jack’s father, ben’s mother, etc). What about that?
Comment by Fernanda Rebelo - Rio de Janeiro - BRAZIL — May 15, 2007 @ 2:25 pm
It’s Jacob’s list mwahahahhahaha. just kidding
Comment by LiLi — May 15, 2007 @ 2:26 pm
Aren’t you the guy who’s insisting that Charlie doesn’t die in the finale? So, are you the foiler, or is it DarkUFO and Lostfan108?
Seems pretty telling if you’re the one who’s lying, and on purpose no less.
Comment by Tara — May 15, 2007 @ 2:29 pm
Sorry it didn’t come across very clearly.
I’m saying that there are some people who take all this stuff so seriously that their lives are thrown into a state of emergency and sheer panic over things that, while fun and worth discussing and debating, should never resort to name calling, hard feeling, or anything along those lines. In short, people like “Pretty Faced” should fall on their own swords.
On the other hand there are those users who, like LENNOX and EL PREZ, come along and try to “ease the tension baby” (Happy Gilmore) and get a laugh going. I applaud them and the others who are here for enjoyment. People like that, along with Doc of course, are why I come here.
In short, MW got me completely. “Fun good.”
Comment by evangelicalpoet — May 15, 2007 @ 2:31 pm
hola fernanda
Yes, i’m pretty sure i saw that black smoke too, They’ll probably tie in somehow, Jacob and smokey i mean. Or maybe he controls smokey? 
Comment by LiLi — May 15, 2007 @ 2:31 pm
In my opinion, two things are possible: this outburst seems to point that the spoilers are true or these spoilers are actually foilers to mislead us
Comment by Pedro — May 15, 2007 @ 2:36 pm
Eat shit Doc!
Comment by Your Mom — May 15, 2007 @ 2:37 pm
First, I would like to say hello to cjscott, muscle bob, selina, and all the other darkufo people who are here. (It’s like we’re in AA!). Second, I’m not getting what the problem is. Mike’s right: there’s a huge “warning” sign next to the link for the spoilers on Dark’s site and he explains that the reason he put it up there is to prevent people from accidentally finding spoilers on other posts; to encourage people who want to talk about the specific spoilers about these specific episodes to do it in one place and not ruin it for everyone else. This all seems like a big overreaction to me.
Comment by Sarah2766 — May 15, 2007 @ 2:37 pm
Actually, despite what this information has said, and even despite what you see, there is every reason to believe that Charlie survives. Be observant and you’ll see what I mean.
Comment by DocArzt — May 15, 2007 @ 2:42 pm
TABULA RASA has been added to THE LIST:
Muscle Bob Buff Pants
SOSLost
wedestroymyths
MC
Jenn
The Climaxan
Tom
Foiler or Spoiler
mw
Eric
Rob
LiLi
TabulaRasa
We’re on to you DOC!
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 15, 2007 @ 2:44 pm
This post is NOT a slam on my friend DarkUFO.
Comment by DocArzt — May 15, 2007 @ 2:44 pm
“Actually, despite what this information has said, and even despite what you see, there is every reason to believe that Charlie survives. Be observant and you’ll see what I mean.”
HE ADMITTED IT!!!!!
Oh and hey sarah!
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 15, 2007 @ 2:45 pm
I believe spoilers are one of those strange new pop-culture phenomenons created by the Internet. They both enhance and hurt most of the stories we love. They help us get through those days when we’re suffering withdraw from the show and sometimes they make the show a little less exciting. However, having read these fantastic spoilers regarding the last two episodes I feel neither “fixed” nor “flumaxed.” These feel more like foilers. I’ve known about the deaths through other spoilers for some time. The “big twist” seems both amazing and yet somehow, too far fetched. Plus, there’s really nothing regarding the rumored split or what has been released in the press as what Sayid considers to be the flaw in the Others plans. All in all, these “super spoilers” felt 50% foiler.
Now, whether to post them or not. There is a difference between some jerk in a mini-van shouting out the ending to a story you’ve waited in line for and a website that visit that happens to regularly post spoilers. While some webhosts choose not to posts these spoilers I cannot see how they can in turn disagree with other webhosts posting them. Like any author, webhosts have to know their fans. I’m sure the fans of the TailSection are proud of the restraint DocArzt has shown regarding these spoilers and fans of DarkUFO are glad they have someplace to go for the information. I think what will be more interesting now, is whether or not these are spoilers or foilers and who comes out on top when after next Wednesday.
Comment by MerlboroMan — May 15, 2007 @ 2:48 pm
Grow up.
Seriously, people. Doc shard his opinion without making any personal attacks on anyone. Show some common decency.
Comment by MerlborMan — May 15, 2007 @ 2:52 pm
Exactly. Perfectly said.
Comment by sarah2766 — May 15, 2007 @ 2:53 pm
This list is the in crowd Doc. We are too smart for these clever tricks.
Comment by The Climaxan — May 15, 2007 @ 2:54 pm
My last comment was made in reply to MerlborMan’s first comment. Although I do agree with the second comment too…
Comment by sarah2766 — May 15, 2007 @ 2:55 pm
I admit nothing, other than that there are flaws in the intel. Which only means it came from someone who did not have the luxury of writing very good notes. There is still plenty to discover.
Comment by DocArzt — May 15, 2007 @ 2:55 pm
UPDATED: Please note that I said SOME of the fansites that have published them, I did not, as many of you have wrongly deduced, target this post at my good friend DarkUFO who quite properly hid the information behind a link. If you watched the video, you’ll know who I am targeting. The people like those who went through this site and posted the synopsis in the comments system
Similar behavior is taking place elsewhere. The information is being posted in plain site, with no disclosure. I choose not to post the info here, I don’t fault Dark for publishing, there are, however, a militant group of idiots trying to get this information in front of fans who might not want to read it. That is shameful, and ignorant. Of course you have a choice whether you read it or not, that’s not the issue. The issue is somebody taking that choice away from you.
Comment by DocArzt — May 15, 2007 @ 2:57 pm
Im siding with Doc on this one. Often we see that when individuals find a sense of entitlement or control over something they start exercising their rights without remembering thier responsibilities. We see it in modern day politics and law. Everyone knows what rights they are entitled too but no one is willing to be responsible for them. I have the same feeling with spoilers. No one is saying you dont have the right to read spoilers. I could care less. But i feel bad for the writers. The writers did not write their shows so that they could be read by some crappy writer trying to get 5 minutes of fame. They wrote them to be seen, watched, heard. These are not plays to be read, but stories to be seen and experienced. When people read spoilers its a fundamental lack of respect for the writers of LOST. They write amazing television and they ask that we dont spoil ourselves and yet we do it anyway…
Comment by jalocke — May 15, 2007 @ 2:58 pm
Isn’t this kind of like giving us a spoiler??? Besides Doc, you should be happy. Look at all the people commenting on yours and Dark’s sites right now.
Muscle Bob — sign me up! There is something fishy ~~~~~
Hi Sarah! My name is cjscott and I’m a lostaholic……..
Comment by cjscott — May 15, 2007 @ 2:58 pm
Well, boy, you had me fooled. I guess you’re just admitting SHENANIGANS, then, aren’t you? ;P
Comment by Jenn — May 15, 2007 @ 2:58 pm
I think it should be really down to the individual if they want to look at potential spoilers or not, who can claim they’ve never done so and if they have and was annoyed they’ve wrecked it its quite simple don’t do it again, what i am annoyed at is the type of comments you get occasionally on here and other fan sites were fans boast not were they’ve got there info from but can’t wait to type it down to spoil it for someone else,you should just delete these peoples comments, however i really feel if people wonna look at spoilers it up to them and i’m glad they are available,its a free world,and some people get more of a buzz outta looking at the spoilers and knowing whats coming
Comment by nickk — May 15, 2007 @ 2:59 pm
Listen Everybody is over reacting, I am pretty sure that when Matthew Fox appeared on Kimmel last week (friday?) he stated that he was in the studio up unitl four am the previous day shooting the finale, so that is the key info that has probably not been released yet. There is no way anybody has that info if only the actors in that scene where there. And a lot of what was released may have also been put out to these great sources by Darlton they have done it before, and trust me they know who leaks the info just for this reason. All season long let them have some real info ,and then for the finale feed them a foiler.
Comment by Kirk — May 15, 2007 @ 3:02 pm
Doc, I agree with you on those people who purposely spoil things for others because they think it’s funny. I have gone to read movie reviews on sites and they will have the “surprise ending” in their comments. It’s disappointing.
Comment by cjscott — May 15, 2007 @ 3:04 pm
“I admit nothing, other than that there are flaws in the intel. Which only means it came from someone who did not have the luxury of writing very good notes. There is still plenty to discover.”
Exactly dude which is why you shouldn’t get so angry, it’s false intel. However, I agree with that mentality of blatantly spoiling info to piss off others. That is why the day book 7 of Harry Potter comes out, I’m off the internet and not going out until I read the entire thing.
Anyway, for now DOC ARZT has been added to the list.
Muscle Bob Buff Pants
SOSLost
wedestroymyths
MC
Jenn
The Climaxan
Tom
Foiler or Spoiler
mw
Eric
Rob
LiLi
TabulaRasa
DocArzt
cjscott
We’re on to you DOC!
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 15, 2007 @ 3:04 pm
docArzt, after reading your reply comments i see what you meant and i agree, however i’m not sure if these people are fans or just spiteful people wanting to wreck other peoples fun
Comment by nickk — May 15, 2007 @ 3:05 pm
But remember Kirk, Evie was on as well and remarked that the scene was mind numbing
Comment by DocArzt — May 15, 2007 @ 3:06 pm
you put him on the list, but the list is about him? about us being onto him ?lol. your funny.
Comment by LiLi AKA ILoveLocke — May 15, 2007 @ 3:06 pm
Gusteaux - I completely agree with you. I will revisit this and Dark’s site after the finale has aired. Thanks Doc - and I hope you win the Hugo Cup! I enjoy your articles.
Comment by Rackee — May 15, 2007 @ 3:09 pm
erm…is it wrong of me to have decided today that finale spoiler/foiler time is my favorite new time of the year?
At this point, I don’t even care if it’s real or not, (though I believe it’s foiler) yet I’m enjoying reading this thread.
Also, the inclusion of DOC on ‘the list’ was entertaining.
Comment by wedestroymyths — May 15, 2007 @ 3:11 pm
Well the list is more about the spoilers rather than the culprits behind the spoilers. Doc admitted he thinks they’re bogus so for now he is on the list.
SHENANIGANS!!!!!!!!
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 15, 2007 @ 3:12 pm
(In unison) “Hi Cj”.
Glad to hear this hasn’t been about DarkUFO’s site.
Comment by sarah2766 — May 15, 2007 @ 3:12 pm
Ok, still funny
Comment by LiLi AKA ILoveLocke — May 15, 2007 @ 3:16 pm
Yeah but evie was on Kimmel two days before Matthew was, so that was before the shoot so she may not even be apart of it.
Comment by Kirk — May 15, 2007 @ 3:21 pm
hey evangelical poet, i know what you mean,its amazing people get so stressed over ENTERTAINMENT,muscle bob buff pants your a total fanatic,what was it 70 something posts in 90 days,thats actually not that bad, your a fanatic but not a bad one, i agree with you to an extent about people spoiling stuff,just not that much!
Comment by nickk — May 15, 2007 @ 3:22 pm
Doc,
What I find amusing about these people, like the dork in the mini-van, is they think they’re somehow cool in ruining these type of events, but when their van gets ran off the road and they get beat until they urinate blood for several months, then they don’t think this stuff is cool anymore. I’m the kind of person that if I’m standing in line to watch a film and someone comes out who caught an earlier showing and they tell me the ending then I’m going to grab them by the back of the neck and make them pay for my movie. What I really want to say is someone needs to find out who lostfan108 is and makes sure that punk never gets near a set, a script, or a screen ever again.
Comment by merlboroman — May 15, 2007 @ 3:23 pm
But, Merl… what if I’m Lostfan108?
Comment by DocArzt — May 15, 2007 @ 3:28 pm
Ok so I just came to a realization that even if any of the spoilers out there are true, that Darlton have not screwed with the fans as per the quality of the show, therefore they know where this show is going and it most likely will not be dissapointing. So for those that are pissed at what the spoilers say then I hope you stick this one out. For those that are pissed about the spoilers being out and being spoiled, it sucks but this is the time that we live in, The original star wars movies where great because we knew nothing about them going in, but the latest trilogy had every plot point spoiled on the net. Unfortunately we just have to deal with this, it sucks.
Comment by Kirk — May 15, 2007 @ 3:28 pm
I’ve been spoiler for the bulk of this show. And most of the other shows I watch.
I wish I hadn’t read this. It is just so big, I wish I didn’t know.
I sincerely hope it is a foiler, just so I can still be surprised.
He who seeks truth deserves punishment for finding it.
Comment by Chelsea — May 15, 2007 @ 3:29 pm
@nickk
k…..
70 posts in the past 90 days? Do you mean the ABC.com forums? I’ve posted like 14 questions in the past 90 days and the rest of those 70 are me going on from time to time bumping my own threads.
But yea I guess I’m a fanatic, I love LOST…Sue me.
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 15, 2007 @ 3:30 pm
I haven’t enjoyed doing what I’ve just done, i.e. scrolling straight to the Post Comments box… (so as not to read replies to what sounds like a conflict more unpleasant than some of those in the show - I mean that’s only a fiction, isn’t it?)… but I just get a sense, from DocArzt’s opening remarks, of somebody’s wish to interpret ’spoiling’ as ‘ruining’. Ach. The dangers of the ego.
Have much enjoyed the discourse and read some brilliant analyses, theories, comments. Thanks, Doc, and to those who argue with intelligence and write with accuracy of expression.
But… just when I was beginning to get to grips with how this posting lark works… I ain’t gonna watch online feuds or have my anticipation undermined by crass stupidity.
So, that’s it, folks. Until the season’s finished, I’m outta here.
Enjoy the finale!
Comment by Marcus — May 15, 2007 @ 3:30 pm
Goodnight all!
If you care to keep bumping the list then please do and feel free to add yourselves. Today was fun and I can’t wait for the actual finale discussions at 11pm Wednesday night on 5/23.
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 15, 2007 @ 3:31 pm
Nobody’s addressing the really important issue here: Do Jack and Sawyer have the hot and sweaty mansex with each other or what?
On the issue at hand, whether or not this round of rumors is true or not, it sure as hell has gotten the fans yammerin’, a LOT. So no matter your opinion on spoilers in general or these spoilers specifically, people are talking (and talking and talking and talking) about “Lost,” which, as a huge fan, I find to be a good thing.
Comment by uberaeryn — May 15, 2007 @ 3:42 pm
You’re right Mr. Arzt. I guess I did miss a few things. Like the others surrendering, and Jack saying “This is our island now.” to Ben. That is the scene where Ben stops as he is leaving and turns to Jack and says…
Comment by Lostfan108 — May 15, 2007 @ 3:46 pm
Oh and while I am here. I gave nothing to DarkUFO. Somebody probably gave him the post I made on AICN before they took it down. How lame of him to think I would give him, or any other peon fan site the scoop. I stick to the big fish.
Comment by Lostfan108 — May 15, 2007 @ 3:48 pm
O_O
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
*dies. or not.*
Comment by uberaeryn — May 15, 2007 @ 3:48 pm
Don’t think I’m legit? Pay very close attention to radios in Jack’s fore flash. You’ll hear something familiar from Charlie’s stay in the Looking Glass.
Comment by Lostfan108 — May 15, 2007 @ 3:51 pm
More importantly Doc, is this true?
Comment by tarkyark — May 15, 2007 @ 3:54 pm
We want info that can confirm you being legit RIGHT NOW. Not have us wait until the finale to see if you’re right, because if you are right, we’ll most likely know it by tomorrow.
Comment by Nico — May 15, 2007 @ 3:59 pm
Well first of Lostfan108 i dont buy that its actually you. and secondly if you wouldnt dain to inform any “peon” website, then why would you visit one? Doc can we get this clown banned.
Comment by jalocke — May 15, 2007 @ 4:02 pm
that’s not even the REAL lostfan108
not only that but there is no way anyone saw the finale yet.. shit, the writers said they JUST saw it.. and Fox was shooting a couple days ago in LA until 4am.. yet this dude already saw it? ya.. ok..
Comment by Monk — May 15, 2007 @ 4:07 pm
Coming here and joining the fray in an attempt to establish your own credibility?
Sure sign that you are a liar and this is a foiler.
If this is legit, you’d just sit back and laugh when it turns out to be true. Then, you’d come in here and give us a resounding “I told you so!”
You’re just being an attention whore.
Comment by justjared — May 15, 2007 @ 4:09 pm
I think this Blog is a FlashBack! Any Minute Now … wait for it … that Thud at the end … wait … If you can’t wait check out the Spoiler below, but only if you want to be completely spoiled on the status of this post stating that this Blog is in fact a FlaschBack) … Wait a little bit more … it is almost here … black screen any minute …
++++++++Spoiler++++++++
Jack may or may not have a “beard” in the finale!!!!!!and this Blog is a flashback.
Comment by Kyle — May 15, 2007 @ 4:15 pm
OK, I’m tired of all this name calling and crap slinging around here. So I’m gonna do something: here’s the now infamous spoiler everybody’s talking about and are so enraged and got everybody’s panties caught in a twist:
Ready? (oh yeah, disclaimer right?)
THIS IS A SPOILER!!!1111!!!11 DONOT READ IF YOU DON’T WANT TO BE UTTERLY AND MASSIVELY ANAL PROBED SPOILED!!11
OK, in a secret Jack flashback, he goes to NASA and gets a portable rocket installed in his rectum. the thing here is, wait for it:
BEN AND JULIET AND KATE ARE THE ROCKET SURGEONS!!!
yes, they actually install teh rocket in good ol’ Jack’s ass. He activates it during the war with the others when the others call THE BIG MUJOMBO, which by the way is the real name of teh monster. So, when THE BIG MUJOMBO comes to attack, Jack activates teh portable ass rocket under Ben’s order. When the Losties ask Jak “hey Jak, WTF?” Jack says: uuuuuuuhhhh, because? and flies off…
Jack makes it off the island and reunites with Michael in a big backyard barbecue where everybody has a couple of beers and watch the game.
**********END SPOILERS********
Wooohhhh!! what an episode!!
Comment by Deicide — May 15, 2007 @ 4:17 pm
I just wanted to say a few things regarding the major spoiler in the flashback at the end of the episode (if it is true). If no one wants to be spoiled (although I’ll try to keep it as spoilerfree as possible), I suggest you SKIP THIS COMMENT.
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All the people complaining that a flash forward takes place, saying that it doesn’t make sense, or it is lazy, or it is just an overall stupid game-changer…you’ve got to open your minds. The flashbacks were getting pretty lame since we know basically everything about everyone already. This gives us a new angle with some new possibilities, such as:
1. Either the show will continue with the main story on the island and we will have flash forwards from now on.
2. The show will stay in the future and the flashbacks will now be on island (kinda the same as 1)
Then there are the people complaining “This is stupid, only Kate and Jack survive, where is everyone else”. Just because they don’t show any one else, doesn’t mean they’re not there. Then there’s the people who think that the show will no longer take place on the island, only moving forward with solving the mysteries in the future…obviously not. The writers said that the next backdrop for season 4 would be “The Ruins” Of which, we’ve already seen a piece of with the big foot.
That ends my magical rant, good day…for a bit.
Comment by Nico — May 15, 2007 @ 4:19 pm
Add me to the list, please. I smell SHENANIGANS!
Comment by Lance — May 15, 2007 @ 4:20 pm
The AICN page has gone…
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/32639
Guess it aint a foiler.
Comment by odj_310388 — May 15, 2007 @ 4:21 pm
You don’t need to wait until the finale. I’ve given you Greatest Hits and Through the Looking Glass. You will know Wednesday that I am legit. But okay, I will give you one more thing…
Charlie does not swim to the looking glass from the shore. He takes a boat there.
Comment by Lostfan108 — May 15, 2007 @ 4:22 pm
Oh wait, I forgot I’m supposed to bump the list and add myself. So:
Muscle Bob Buff Pants
SOSLost
wedestroymyths
MC
Jenn
The Climaxan
Tom
Foiler or Spoiler
mw
Eric
Rob
LiLi
TabulaRasa
DocArzt
cjscott
Lance
Comment by Lance — May 15, 2007 @ 4:22 pm
Just re-watching the preview for Greatest Hits there’s the line “My people, they’re coming right now!” wouldn’t that suggest that the others arrive early? Why wasn’t this mentioned in the spoilers? Hmmm… I’m starting to doubt them.
Comment by odj_310388 — May 15, 2007 @ 4:28 pm
Doc I am very dissapointed in you
Comment by DarkUFO — May 15, 2007 @ 4:29 pm
Doc, all I can say is I am behind your sentiments 100%. I have avoided reading said spoilers which has not been easy due to their proliferation, but I agree. There is a difference between a minor reveal and a total ruin. Total ruins do disrespect to the show and ruin the experience for the majority of those who read them, especially in the event of a finale occurring before a 8 month hiatus. For my part, I look forward to seeing the finale unspoiled and respect your decision to not post complete episode synopses whole-heartedly even when in possession of said knowledge. I think it shows a huge amount of integrity.
Comment by Bunny Suction — May 15, 2007 @ 4:30 pm
I am here jalocke because somebody told me this Arzt fool was chewing me out. So figured I’d slip in to say ‘fuck ya’.
Comment by Lostfan108 — May 15, 2007 @ 4:47 pm
I totally agree that this is wrong. And wrong to be sneaky and post it where folks not expecting to see it do. It’s probably some Ex-Fans of Lost. Anyway, i haven’t seen nor heard anything, so I thiught the lid was tight on the can.
Comment by RazzleDazzle — May 15, 2007 @ 4:47 pm
He is saying that because he doesn’t know that they are already aware that the others are coming.
Comment by Lostfan108 — May 15, 2007 @ 4:50 pm
*sigh*
IS THERE JACK AND SAWYER MANSEX OR NOT????? (And feel free to throw Desmond or Sayid or Jin in the middle of all the mansex, I would totally buy a spoiler like that.)
Comment by uberaeryn — May 15, 2007 @ 4:54 pm
god that vid was shit not the link the vid what did theguy say i didn’t hear him all i saw was some wuss shouting something and spinning of, i mean he didn’t even have the bottle to stick around long enough for people to hear what the hell he was saying
Comment by nickk — May 15, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
it’s not a foiler after all, lostfan108 is posting in this discussion
Comment by lost — May 15, 2007 @ 5:01 pm
O_o
Comment by uberaeryn — May 15, 2007 @ 5:06 pm
Lost108 did you read the script or see the episodes?
AICN took down their talkback, which means they either A. Know your a foiler or B. Dont want to support your bullshit… either way I dont think there a big fan of you right now…
Comment by henisey — May 15, 2007 @ 5:09 pm
It the future we learn that AICN got yelled at by JJ and Co and took down the information. Then Jack has a beer and cheets on his wife.
Comment by FlashForward — May 15, 2007 @ 5:11 pm
WOW…never post on here but looks like this whole thing just completely backfired to hell…unless it is all an act to throw us off…but still what an F-in mess!
Comment by dave11:11 — May 15, 2007 @ 5:12 pm
You guys have killed Jerry Falwell with all this lame wankery, I hope you realize that.
Comment by uberaeryn — May 15, 2007 @ 5:14 pm
After pulling a similar prank (non-LOST related) on April Fools day, I can attest to the fact that:
1.) Removing information off a website intentionally and not mentioning it again (on that site) enforces it as truth.
2.) Lots of outcry from respected forum members (in this case, webmasters) also re-enforces belief.
3.) Fighting over ‘who had the information/who leaked it/who’s an asshole’ also really helps, particularly if the people fighting are/’were’ friends.
So count me in on the “elaborate and well executed prank’ boat, if there is one.
Personal experience FTW.
Comment by NickC — May 15, 2007 @ 5:25 pm
NickC- clarify- do you think that AICN taking down the talkback implies this is a true spoiler, or implies that its bullshit?
Comment by henisey — May 15, 2007 @ 5:38 pm
Also, Lost108, im thinking your full of shit because you stated on here you didnt give it to DarkUFO.. but on Darkufo’s site it says you directly emailed it him…. if you lied about that youd lied about other stuff too… i hope damon and carlton find out who you are and sue your ass or something
Comment by henisey — May 15, 2007 @ 5:40 pm
Doc,
I saw those “spoilers” you spoke of and was thinking they were probably foilers. I felt sick after reading them because I didn’t know they would reveal that much. I feel even sicker now that you’ve confirmed them to be real. You are just as bad as the people that originally posted them by admitting you already knew about it and that it’s true. Thanks
Comment by bill buckner — May 15, 2007 @ 5:41 pm
I think it’s all bull, hence why I said:
” So count me in on the “elaborate and well executed prank’ boat, if there is one. “
Comment by NickC — May 15, 2007 @ 5:42 pm
This is great, the whole point of Doc’s post was that people are forcing these extreme spoilers into others’ eyes, then I come and skim the comments and get the spoilers right in my eyes. You think puting a quick warning and a line of stars protects those who don’t want to be spoiled? Guess again hotshot, people don’t read websites like they do books. They skim.
Comment by Dusk — May 15, 2007 @ 5:47 pm
Sorry dude, I was confused bc you also said ‘1.) Removing information off a website intentionally and not mentioning it again (on that site) enforces it as truth.”
that made me think that AICN taking it down meant it was real and they got in trouble from the producers…
Comment by henisey — May 15, 2007 @ 5:48 pm
I live by spoilers. I decided how I spend my night.
Do I video tape it? Do I watch it the next day on the networks website? Do I change my plans to be home/stay up late and watch it?
This isn’t just for Lost, but for other shows I watch.
If people hate spoilers, then don’t go to any websites that have them. I take all spoilers with a grain of salt. I have yet to see one that had every detail that ruined the show for me.
If it weren’t for spoilers, I wouldn’t even watch Lost. For me it increases the enjoyment of it. If I didn’t have spoilers, I’d skip watching and just catch whatever episodes were on when I was able to see them. That is how I watch American Idol or Dancing with the Stars. I love both shows, but I don’t care if I miss one. If I knew that someone I liked was voted off before hand, I’d watch to see how it played out.
Comment by BlackrockBob — May 15, 2007 @ 5:54 pm
Maybe Doc’s outrage is meant to add legitimacy to the spoiler, when in fact it IS foiler. Maybe he’s part of a misinformation campaign, which would be a perfect LOST move! We don’t know who or what to believe as far as this goes, just like on the show. I love it man!
Comment by johnnyzoom — May 15, 2007 @ 5:56 pm
Heh, no worries. After re-reading when I read your post I actually thought I was supporting the spoilers as true too… damn wording.
But ya, I wouldn’t worry too much about these being true.
I guess we’ll find out tomorrow though.
If I’m wrong, I’ll be embarrassed. Heh.
Comment by NickC — May 15, 2007 @ 5:57 pm
I remember asking you this morning whether or not this was stuff you wanted on this site, and you told me no. I could feel the disappointment and anger through the IM window, and I didn’t get it. I do now.
This has been a site dedicated to heightening our enjoyment of the show. Spoilers do detract from that. You may not think they do, but the Doc is right. People are already criticizing the supposed finale without even seeing it. It might not even be true, and I am ashamed I read the synopsis myself. I won’t comment on what I read, it wouldn’t be fair to the show. When you think about it, the Doc is also right. It should offend Damon and Carlton. People have already made a judgment about the finale without watching the first three seconds of it. Especially if this “spoiler” turns out to be a hoax foiler. I wasn’t against spoilers, but this light makes it really hard to want to see another. Of course, we all want to know what is going to happen, but I trust TPTB to know just how much we need to know before we watch the episode. Promos and podcasts are going to do it for me until now, and I encourage all of you to see the difference that it will make.
Comment by DavidHume — May 15, 2007 @ 5:58 pm
Here are 2 things that I think prove that we are dealing with a foiler…
1. Edward Kitsis mentioned that the snake in the mailbox/gamechanger came from something regarding Jacks past….
2. Damon Lindelof states in his ew interview that we dont know everthing about jack and that something happened to him that was very important.
Happened is a past tense word. That implies before he came to the island.
Damon and the writers love to screw with us… but they have never directly lied.. I think lost108 is full of crap.
Comment by henisey — May 15, 2007 @ 5:58 pm
Here are 2 things that I think prove that we are dealing with a foiler…
1. Edward Kitsis mentioned that the snake in the mailbox/gamechanger came from something regarding Jacks past….
2. Damon Lindelof states in his ew interview that we dont know everthing about jack and that something happened to him that was very important.
Happened is a past tense word. That implies before he came to the island.
Damon and the writers love to screw with us… but they have never directly lied.. I think lost108 is full of crap.
Comment by henisey — May 15, 2007 @ 5:59 pm
Well… i feel like an idiot… Sorry Lost108, looks like your right.
Go to ABC.com and see the new sneak peak…
Comment by henisey — May 15, 2007 @ 6:11 pm
I work at a newspaper, and I can say that people retract information for many reasons, the main one being misinformation, especially in sources that pride themselves on spreading TRUTH. I doubt that AICN took the talkback down because it was truth, they either took it down because it was bullshit, or because it was eating up server space. If the PTB made them take it down, that would be more disastrous than the spoilers themselves, because it would be an indication that they are in fact true. At least right now, people (me included) are extremely hesitant to believe the stuff that’s coming out. I’m rambling now, but my point basically is, don’t read into AICN taking the story down as an indication that the spoilers are true.
Comment by The Climaxan — May 15, 2007 @ 6:16 pm
In that case, you are right. Those dirty, dog-butted websites ought to be shutdown.
Since I actually try to limit my spoiler intake, this thread has been a difficult read. I have skipped over many of the posts that seemed like they were actually discussing the spoiler rather than the etiquette of placing spoilers in plain view.
It is a lot like shopping for lingerie with your significant other. Don’t look around, don’t make eye contact, don’t touch anything, just keep your eyes focused on your wife or the floor.
Comment by TabulaRasa — May 15, 2007 @ 6:16 pm
at least part of it is right, im telling you look at abc.com….
Comment by henisey — May 15, 2007 @ 6:20 pm
WE WHO DECLARE SHENANIGANS…..are wrong.
The new Sneak Peak at abc.com confirms the spoilers….oh well.
Well we had a good run eh?
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 15, 2007 @ 6:20 pm
I just watched the sneak peak. The spoilers seem right about Greatest Hits. But I’m still calling Shenanigans on the Season Finale, based simply on the fact that it was still in production up until this past weekend.
Never give up!Never surrender!
Comment by The Climaxan — May 15, 2007 @ 6:24 pm
You’re right!!!!!
Goddamnit SHENANIGANS ARE BACK ON!!!!
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 15, 2007 @ 6:25 pm
Hopefully the season finale is a foiler… it doesnt make sense with the interviews i talked about above…
Comment by henisey — May 15, 2007 @ 6:26 pm
After reading all the posts….
I think there is a Conspiracy to keep us in the Dark…
C.O.N.Spiracy….
Yes, I fell for Dr. Arzt’s out of character rant.
But I’ve seen the light. I like this website as much as I do Dark’s website.
Put me on the list of foiled people.
Comment by blackrockbob — May 15, 2007 @ 6:27 pm
How do you know that it won’t make sense, we are reading this info, not watching it.
Comment by Kirk — May 15, 2007 @ 6:28 pm
Heres the problem, and alot of us could have called it. This guy knows what happens in Greatest Hits, big deal. I bet IS knows as well. The problem is that he knows what happens in GH, so he looks like a genius for knowing the finale. Bullshit. He knows about GH but no idea about season finale.
Also…he said that Charlie writes the “greatest hits” of his life…wrong, the title comes from the song DS made “Greatest Hits” for Charlie’s death. Peaces.
Comment by skeetskeet — May 15, 2007 @ 6:30 pm
FINAL UPDATE FOR THE NIGHT BY ME:
Those who declare SHENANIGANS on the finale, please stand up:
Muscle Bob Buff Pants
SOSLost
wedestroymyths
MC
Jenn
The Climaxan
Tom
Foiler or Spoiler
mw
Eric
Rob
LiLi
TabulaRasa
DocArzt
cjscott
Lance
blackrockbob (new member)
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 15, 2007 @ 6:32 pm
I guess we know were the cable goes now hu, not o sure about the spoilers though maybe they are just foilers, the person who wrote them may have just watched the same vid or at most this ep and made the rest up, although i personally refused to read the season finale spoilers anyway so it won’t matter to me either way ha!
Comment by nickk — May 15, 2007 @ 6:38 pm
I lied.
I’m sorry.
Comment by Lostfan108 — May 15, 2007 @ 6:39 pm
Good catch skeetskeet!
Alright seriously I’m going to bed now…..
SHENANIGANS STILL ON FOR BOTH “GREATEST HITS” AND “THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS”
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 15, 2007 @ 6:40 pm
There is no way this is true, I mean how often do we get full accounts of episodes this far before they are aired? And this being the finale….
There is not a chance this is real. I doubt anyone outside a few people in the inner circles of lost has seen any of this. And how hard is this to paste up as a foiler….
1 - Contact AICN and ask them to run a bullshit story….
2 - Contact DarkUFO and get him to support the bogus story.
3 - Get AICN to withdraw the story
4 - Get Doc Artz to decry the people who posted the spoiler, thus making it appear to be fact.
That is all that had to happen! The tiniest grain of info will be seized upon and the info will spread like wildfire!
So all it takes is a few compliant people and the offer of tickets to watch the premiere of the season finale and you have all the best spoiler sources claiming spoilers are bad and they really didnt want to publish them lol
FAKE!
Comment by Hypnotron — May 15, 2007 @ 6:46 pm
1 - I declare shenanigans
2- Doc if you were lostfan108 I’d lose so much respect for you
3 - lostfan108 is a piece of shit, not because he the alleged “spoiler” but because his attitude toward it. In all honesty, you didn’t spoil anything for me, you just made me think that some asshole named lostfan108 is pathetic.
4 - If this is accurate, I’ll still watch the show, but I’ll be extremely disappointed in this twist. To me, flashforward, are cop-outs when it comes to writing.
5 - the Liddell/Ortiz rematch wasn’t as good as I thought it would be, but Liddell is still the man.
Comment by MerlboroMan — May 15, 2007 @ 6:47 pm
With the risk of probably looking very foolish in a week, I still think the finale spoiler is fake.
The only thing that new preview revealed was the name of the hatch, but honestly, he could’ve made a lucky guess. After all, it is the TITLE of the finale.
And, who’s to say that lostfan108 doesn’t know someone at ABC with access to the previews. After all, that ONE paragraph was THE EXACT SAME as that ONE sneak peak.
Coincidence? Or advanced knowledge?
I’m still not convinced.
Comment by NickC — May 15, 2007 @ 7:02 pm
which clip are you folks referring to on ABC.com? The only one I can find is the one of Jack outlining the plan…my dad emailed me that clip over the weekend, so lostfan108 could’ve easily seen it…
or maybe lf108 is my dad!!!!!! anyone know where I can find an ancient slave ship sitting around?
Comment by wedestroymyths — May 15, 2007 @ 7:12 pm
The one that plays here:
http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index
Comment by NickC — May 15, 2007 @ 7:15 pm
I’ll tell you right now why it’s fake
first I’ll post a sentence of what that guy wrote
FAKE SPOILERS AHEAD
“Charlie sees a transmission in the underwater hatch from Desmond’s Penny — who, contrary to what Naomi has said, denies that she knows Naomi at all!!”
END OF FAKE SPOILERS
naomi enfatically said that she never met penny, and penny would never said something like that, because there’s no way she would know the names of everyone involved on a massive rescue mission like that with hundreds of people looking for a single guy all over the pacific
GAME OVER LOSTFAN108
Comment by lavatory love machine — May 15, 2007 @ 7:33 pm
Alright final goodnight people!
SHENANIGANS ARE STILL ON! BUMP THE LIST!
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 15, 2007 @ 7:44 pm
also the one thing we know for sure about the finale is that it would deal with a dark secret from jack’s past, and there’s about that there
Comment by lavatory love machine — May 15, 2007 @ 7:49 pm
My name is gusteaux and I’m a Tailsection addict. Yeah, I know what I said, but I’m back. I can’t stop smoking either.
This is addressed to you, Muscle Bob, because I’m petitioning for inclusion on the list.
But the first part is actually for Doc:
You got me, man. You got me good. I was foiled at the page break. I’ve vowed to see the last three hours unspoiled. When you said on the main page,
“Obviously I can’t say much about just how peeved I am until after the cut, because I’ll need to discuss the spoilers first,”
I bailed to the end of the comments section and posted my see-you-in-eight-days speel. Totally missed your magnificent after-the-cut commentary and the stance you were taking.
But, thank Jacob, I couldn’t stay away. Now I get it and am 100 percent in agreement.
Then I decided that I would read through the comments and scroll through the spoilers that I knew would be implanted without reading them. Amazingly, I made it through the well over 200 comments still unspoiled!
However, based on the comments made by the illustrious cadre’ of regulars on MBBP’s list and my respect for their collective and individual instincts, I’m calling BS too. If they’ve read the spoilers and are calling you out, that’s good enough for me.
You won’t foil me twice in one day, Doc!
But, thank Jac
Comment by gusteaux — May 15, 2007 @ 7:49 pm
Shennanigans lives! and will forever (by forever I’m until a week from thrusday)
Muscle Bob Buff Pants
SOSLost
wedestroymyths
MC
Jenn
The Climaxan
Tom
Foiler or Spoiler
mw
Eric
Rob
LiLi
TabulaRasa
DocArzt
cjscott
Lance
blackrockbob
gusteaux (new!)
Since MBBF is gone for the night, I’ll help keep the list going until I leave work.
Comment by the Climaxan — May 15, 2007 @ 7:54 pm
What use is there to Lost sites, if spoilers will just give everything away? Will people then discuss the spoilers? They’ll discuss everything that happens before the show airs? Then, will the discussions on the spoilers get discussed??
Ridiculous!
Comment by HawaiiHeaven — May 15, 2007 @ 8:11 pm
Doc, this site rocks!
Good discussions, someone always fills in info that was missed, a few clues along the way, a good adjunct to the show.
The spoilers on other sites this time around were just sickeningly stupid. Why would anyone report on whole episode plots before they air for a show about mysteries?
Comment by HawaiiHeaven — May 15, 2007 @ 8:25 pm
the more i visit this site the more i realize what a whiny ass fan boy bitch you have become doc… its a spoiler people post them all over everyday. get the hell over it and move on
Comment by tyler mayhem — May 15, 2007 @ 8:27 pm
Thank you for your kind comments Tyler, I appreciate it! Wait… no I don’t… I’m so confused…
Comment by docarzt — May 15, 2007 @ 8:46 pm
Thank you for your kind comments Tyler, I appreciate it! Wait… no I don’t… I’m so confused…
Comment by docarzt — May 15, 2007 @ 8:46 pm
I read the spoilers, I wish I had not. I learned my lesson immediatly after reading. To those considering it, Do NOT! I found that the plot was fantastic, but instantly I knew how much I just ruined the finale for myself. I will be more careful and exercise more control next season.
Comment by Chris Moonier — May 15, 2007 @ 8:53 pm
A spoiler site angry about spoilers…. Is that irony? Or just good comedy?
Love ya Doc, and I think I get your point…
I veer away from the synopsis type spoilers, I enjoy the tidbit here and there but I want to be surprised!!!
Best thing for all to do would be to not visit any spoiler sections, which sadly includes this site, til after the finale airs. Then we can talk about it for a week then go into hibernation til next year… Gonna be a LOOOOOOONG 8 months!
Comment by Mr.Nixa — May 15, 2007 @ 9:19 pm
so, thanks to Doc I finally saw the new clip…and I’ll conceed that Lostfan108 may know about Greatest Hits…but I proudly remain on the shenannigans lists for any number of reasons regarding the finale…
Comment by wedestroymyths — May 15, 2007 @ 9:31 pm
In the “Who shot Mr. Burns” episode of the Simpsons the writers created a slew of fake endings, and tried to leak them to the press. I am sure these Spoilers are absolute mis-direction from the D/C. Even if the spoiler for the finale is good. I did not read the one for greatest hits.
Comment by Stev — May 15, 2007 @ 9:52 pm
Don’t like the spoilers? Don’t read the spoilers.
I read ‘em. Each and every one that comes out. Who cares? If someone is willing to spoil the show, then I’m there to read it. When this show is out on DVD 6 months from now are you going to care if you knew the final twist a week before you were supposed to? You’d be just as surprised reading on the web as you would be watching it on TV. Good storytelling stands the test of time, it doesn’t depend on shock value. I knew Dumbledore was going to die before reading HBP, but that didn’t detract from the level of care that J.K. Rowling gave to the writing of his death. I still re-read those chapters as some of the best writing she’s done. I’ve been totally spoiled for many of LOST episode’s specifics and still found much to enjoy of the acting, directing, writing, etc… People who hate spoilers need to calm down, realize that people will always want to spill the beans, and people will always want to have things spoiled for them. If the writing is great (as so many of LOST episodes are) then it won’t matter in the weeks and months and years to come. I just re-watched The Cost of Living tonight and even though I knew Eko was going to bite it I was struck by how well that episode was constructed.
Comment by Monsoon_Moon — May 15, 2007 @ 9:54 pm
Fortunaltly you can’t just shout three words and spoil Lost. Like a certain book about wizards and such.
Comment by Stev — May 15, 2007 @ 9:55 pm
I’m on the list!
Muscle Bob Buff Pants
SOSLost
wedestroymyths
MC
Jenn
The Climaxan
Tom
Foiler or Spoiler
mw
Eric
Rob
LiLi
TabulaRasa
DocArzt
cjscott
Lance
blackrockbob
gusteaux
sebarbapapa (new)
Comment by sebarbapapa — May 15, 2007 @ 10:19 pm
Doc.
I’ve got a question…you seem to know a lot about this finale, perhaps bits that this Lostfan108 didn’t post if this whole thing turns out being true (which I still doubt).
The question is this: is there any indication that the snake in the mailbox is a part of the story? Or is it merely a change in how the story is being told?
Again, this is only on the off chance that the spoiler is true.
Comment by wedestroymyths — May 15, 2007 @ 10:19 pm
okay.. so if you dont believe it.. go to Docs main page and watch sneak peek 2 for GH.. and then come back and debunk what lostfan says about GH, im not defending the finale, but I will defend that hes right about Charlies ep.
And Doc was just saying that its sad that the mystery is taken out by this being put everywhere, I know he was only talking about the sites who were forcing it in your face and putting it right out there without giving you the chance for a warning, and Dark and Doc dont generally post the same spoilers.. so it should be no big surprise that he didnt put it here after Dark put it up there.
Comment by mac_ad — May 15, 2007 @ 10:30 pm
i’m with u doc, i got spoiled by a friend of mine who doesnt even watch lost but i tell him about it all the time and tell him my theories, so he was reading aicn the other night when it was on their and he said theres this new theory that they (insert final scene here), i havent read the rest of the spoilers for the ep, but it still ruined the biggest twist in the history of the show so far, and aicn has never been a big lost spoiler site, they give previews of eps and now and then they actually review a episode there talkback is supposed to be a pretty safe place, i went and check outed their intial post and it wasnt bad, just some cool hints but then they kept answering questions and giving more and more out (saw this on darks site hoping he would be posting that this was a fake spoiler since aicn seems to drop the ball alot (joker pic from next batman movie) but it looks like its probably pretty legit, and i’m pissed,
Comment by ningrant — May 15, 2007 @ 10:45 pm
The snake in the mailbox is that the flashback in the finale is actually a FLASHFORWARD.
Jack and Kate have made it off the island, and the final words jack says are “we have to go back!”
Spoilers ROCK
Comment by lostfan108 — May 15, 2007 @ 11:03 pm
Yes, it appears the GH info is accurate…but how is it we’re getting the finale–the most closely guarded episode of the year–spoiled more than a week ahead of when most episodes are scheduled…
and like I said…if it’s accurate on the finale, how disappointing it will be OR how impressive it is depends on if the ‘flashforward’ device is involved with the story, or if it’s just a new way of telling the story. Part of the story could be a bold, unprecedented move. A new way of telling the story is lame, and no more exciting than when a show jumps ahead 1 year or 5, or a novel is written in non-linear fashion…
in other words…if the finale part of the spoiler is true, than one way that the reveal could be approached would truly be a monumental game changer. The other way would be a humdrum, mild change of pace.
Comment by wedestroymyths — May 15, 2007 @ 11:48 pm
Doc, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE omit Lostfan108. I know you can do it. I think his comment just above this one, should be the dudes last words.
Comment by Dr. Nope — May 16, 2007 @ 12:24 am
It all seems a bit (or more than a bit) hypocritical to me. This site has posted numerous spoilers in the past. And this smacks of some attempt at censorship to me. Same with someone like Howare Stern, you don’t like him? Don’t listen! You don’t want to be spoiled? Don’t read it! I mean, how old are you people that can’t seem to control yourselves from clicking a link. I, for one, like spoilers and they don’t ruin the show at all for me. If you don’t like them, well then don’t read them…..
And is DocArzt Self-rigtheous? Definitely. Lets not fool ourselves, one of the reasons this site has so much new content (most of it pure, unadulterated speculation and borderline nonsense) is to keep traffic coming to the site. Why? Simple people - $$$$$. click on a few of the links on the homepage and you will see. This is not a pure fan site as much as a side business…..and DocArzt is a hypocrite for portraying himself as anything other than a business man, who got scooped on a great piece of added-value content.
Grow up
So, it all smacks of petty jealousy to me….
Comment by bjorn — May 16, 2007 @ 12:41 am
Dr. Nope,
Charlie dies in the last episode and not the one tonight.
Naomi dies too and was not sent to the island by Penny.
FLASHFORWARD is the snake in the mailbox.
Ben will be injured, but not killed.
Mr. Friendly however, will be killed.
Pryce will be killed.
Mikhail will be killed.
Cindy (flight attendant) will be killed.
Penny will make contact with the island, but not in the way in which you think she will.
Believe it or not, there is a HUGE reveal that I haven’t leaked out yet.
Comment by lostfan108 — May 16, 2007 @ 1:04 am
I’m calling Shennanigans as well. I’ve got a ton of reasons, (there’s a big post over at lost-forum) but most notable is this one: Penny’s transmission, where she denies knowing Naomi. The fact that Charlie would even be able to hear such a transmission as grenades are going off and water is rushing in is near impossible, but then we have the message itself. By definition the tranmission has to be going only one way, not to mention Charlie won’t really be up for chatting as he’s drowning, which means it’s just a message, not a conversation. So then how can Penny deny that she knows Naomi, if nobody is there to mention it to her. What’s she going to say, “Desmond, this is Penny, I’m love you and I’m on my way to save you, by the way, in my spare time I was pondering over baby names when I realized that I don’t know a single person by the name of Naomi, so if by some chance you happen to meet someone named Naomi that claims to be working for me, she’s probably lying.”
Oh yeah, and lostfan108? Cindy isn’t even in the finale, nor is Sarah, whom you claim that Jack sees pregnant. Try checking the press release next time you want to make stuff up.
Comment by Archangel — May 16, 2007 @ 1:51 am
well, i agree with Doc… yes, i read spoilers because i want to, but its like he said, spoilers are lose ideias that give us a line of what is going to hapen, not description of the plote it self…
Comment by ximatec — May 16, 2007 @ 2:19 am
Wow. Your hypocrisy knows no bounds, huh, DocArtz? What an amazingly childish tantrum to post. This site is a joke - happy to post the spoilers Doc thinks are appropriate but not happy if another site does so.
Comment by Mr Turk — May 16, 2007 @ 3:36 am
Sorry Doc…
But you just killed any respect I had for you. First of all you are COMPLETELY overgeneralizing how “all lost fans feel”. Secondly comparing a spoiler on a website that you have to click to read… then actually reading said spoiler… to that lame video is RIDICULOUS! Nobody is forcing us to read the spoilers, we are all adults and can make our own decisions on how doing such will impact our “fan-dom”. Spoilers are no different then reading a book, before seeing a movie, and that’s only IF they are true. So take your little boy tantrum, and use that energy to work on the spoilers on your own site… which are apparently ok. Or is it that this was all just a ploy by a sub-par Lost site, to drum up drama in hopes of a Hugo cup bid… yea… spoil that.
Comment by Me-C-O — May 16, 2007 @ 4:09 am
You guys slamming DocArzt are pathetic. Seriously. I like spoilers and I’m not offended by this article one bit. I actually agree on some level. I think it is more about people dropping it in comment systems than anything else.
Anybody who says he is jealous because DarkUFO published it first needs to get their head examined. Aint It Cool News published it way before DarkUFO did. That’s the problem though. Most of you dunderheads who are attacking Doc don’t know the difference between cutting and pasting and quality original content. Why do you think the creators and actors take time to talk to him and not your scissors and glue man?
If you disagree that’s one thing, but to take it as a personal attack or to make a personal attack in reply is retarded. Even if I don’t always agree with Doc’s opinions, I think the work he has done here is fantastic.+-
Comment by Jared Katz — May 16, 2007 @ 5:25 am
I guess there are always going to be people who completely miss the point, right Mr. Turk?
Comment by docarzt — May 16, 2007 @ 5:35 am
I think this is the most fun I’ve had reading comments on this site yet. Keep it going. Bring the torches and pitchforks!
Is it April 1st? Some people are easily fooled.
Comment by blackrockbob — May 16, 2007 @ 5:37 am
I’ve gotta say- I find your rant rather pointless. If you don’t like Lost, then you probably stopped watching it somewhere in season two thus the spoilers are of no consequence to you. If you have continued to watch Lost (and lets face it, if you read these pages then you must have), then you either like spoilers or you dont. To say that enjoying spoilers means you are somehow not a dedicated fan is, quite frankly, offensive. I love lost and have defended the weird, enigmatic and sometimes downright annoying story telling to friends and relatives for three years now. I deserve to be spoiled if I wish it to be so- you are not superior for being the opposite way round and you certainly do not speak on my behalf. Keep your rage in check and let people enjoy it how they want- it’s for all of us after all!
Comment by filthygee — May 16, 2007 @ 5:45 am
will you be kind enough to tell us how is it that you have seen the finale if the writters of the show said the only saw the cut for the first time last sunday?
Comment by lavatory love machine — May 16, 2007 @ 5:59 am
Absolutely buddy, I have the screenplays. That was what was given to AICN. Didn’t you wonder why AICN said “if theses are forgeries?” It surely wasn’t because of the poorly strung together synopsis that somebody posted in the comments.
Comment by Lostfan108 — May 16, 2007 @ 6:03 am
Not sure I agree, but I want in on the shenanigans (more because it’s just fun to say).
Lighten up folks, I think that Doc is more upset about people who post it without appropriate warnings. I’ve read what I thought were someone’s theories going into the post, then seen that it was based on the leaked spoilers. Not fun!
–fish
Comment by fish — May 16, 2007 @ 6:12 am
I have argued from your side of the fence before too, but this was not about the spoiler so much as how it is proliferating. People from Dark’s site are over here thinking this is some kind of war between me and him, that’s not even the case. Watch the dumbledore video.
Remember, this spoiler got leaked in a comment system with absolutely no spoiler warning. It was posted in the comment system here with no warning on eight of my posts. It’s been posted on other forums and supposed fan-sites with NO disclaimer. Yes, you have a choice whether you read it or not. But, don’t you think somebody doing these things is trying to take that choice away from you?
Personally, I still find alot of the pro-spoiler counter pointing appalling. It just shows the decline of artistic appreciation. LOST is famous for its twists. Now it has bred this culture that is too impatient to wait for the twist. Is that an invalid and rude assessment? No, that is reality my friends. If you revel in this sort of spoiling you have no appreciation for the artistic process.
Do you want someone to hum all the songs of your favorite bands cd to you before you listen to them? Do you want someone to describe the paintings in a gallery to you before you go and look at them? Do you want your impression of what is happening to be tempered by the loose, thoughtless ramblings of somebody else?
If you do, that’s fine. It doesn’t matter. It’s just more on the statement of the decline of artistic appreciation. The problem is, this incident will probably lead to less spoilers next year.
I find it amusing that so many of you are defending ‘impatience’ so vehemently. This is basic addictive behavior. It should be the simplest thing in the world to understand that it is better to enjoy the show without any idea, or at worst the vaguest of possibilities, of what is coming. That’s what it is designed for. There is no magic power in having spoielrs, it doesn’t make you cool, it doesn’t make you an insider. All it does is eliminate suspense. Instead of wondering what is going to happen and being surprised when it does, you sit knowing what is going to happen and the only suspense is in seeing how it will flow.
I’m sure many of you will come back and say how wrong that is, that having spoilers is cool, you’ll find someway to point out how it enhances the experience (as I have myself in this post.) Or you’ll attack me like some communist censor when all I’m doing is urging people to be a little more cautious. But if you think about it from the perspective of these guys who labor to put these stories together, if you can temper your overreacting for a few minutes, you might get a glimpse of what I’m talking about. These are nice guys who dedicate themselves to trying to blow your mind with the best television out there. This is not what they wanted.
As far as this being jealousy. That makes me snicker. This is not a scoop folks. This guy gave the info to AICN and AICN only. It proliferated from there. I just as easily as anyone else could have copied and pasted the spoiler to this site. The problem is, I like spoilers that leave the mystery intact and open nebulous discussions brimming with creative possibilities. This travesty was below my standards.
Comment by docarzt — May 16, 2007 @ 6:32 am
Doc, as others have stated, all you seem to be doing is confirming the truth of the spoilers…how is that helping the problem?
Comment by dave11:11 — May 16, 2007 @ 6:41 am
Ok, seriously, not all of us want every bit of detail about everything. Fuck off! I just enjot the slow tease of it, the maybes and what-ifs of spoilers. But instead you hambone, frat boy fuck ups have to go and try to ruin it for everyone. Look, spoiler fucks, I dont come down to where you enjoy yourself and slap the dick out of your mouth, do I?
Oh, thank you internet for breeding 30 yr olds that act like they are 9. Thank you Al Gore. It really is an information super highway.
Comment by askholia — May 16, 2007 @ 6:45 am
LOST”FAN”108:
Goddammit, stop posting SPOILERS in an OPEN COMMENT LIST.
You are such a fucking tool. Asshole.
People can go read whatever spoilers they please; when spoilers are posted where they can be found without any warning, that’s just infantile.
Doc, ban that jerk’s IP address. Better yet, look up his IP address and post it here. Then we’ll have some real fun. You’re not as anonymous as you think, “lostfan108,” but you are a total jerk-off.
Oh, yeah…I call SHENANIGANS. There’s no fucking way the actual screenplays got out. Somebody who thinks he’s smart got played, that’s all. Put me on the goddam list, please.
Wait…I just have to say that lost”fan”108 is a total prick once more before this post ends.
And the rest of you…enjoy tonight’s episode, whether you be spoilt or unspoilt!!!
Comment by Cutter — May 16, 2007 @ 6:51 am
Doc,
Your sentiments truly keep me coming back! I am a loyal Tailsection fan! Having said that, I still think you are bluffing and call Shennanigans!
Comment by lostjunkie — May 16, 2007 @ 7:00 am
Yes, Doc, I guess there will always be people who miss the point. I just don’t think I’m one of them.
I understand that you’ve written your rant with the best of intentions but you can surely see that your site posting SOME spoilers and chastising other sites for what is essentially the same thing (albeit to a much larger degree) is just crazy. Anyway, I think I’m still sour over that whole MiSFiT debacle….
Comment by Mr Turk — May 16, 2007 @ 7:01 am
Oh, and just one more thing for the record…. I have no idea whether the spoilers are real or not. Judging by the quick dumping of the original AICN talkback and your own over-the-top response I’d say they are, but is that going to make me like Lost any less? No sir.
Comment by Mr Turk — May 16, 2007 @ 7:07 am
To spoiler or not to spoiler is neither here nor there. What bothers me more is the anger, name-calling and general ignorance of the posters. Do you really need to drop the f-bomb just because your opinions differ. That’s why we are here. To hear other people’s opinions. Not to read a litany of curses!
SHAME!
Comment by AlaineA — May 16, 2007 @ 7:10 am
I’ll back down from my previous post and admit it was an overreation. Hand up to DocArzt, apologies
valid point about WHERE spoilers are posted.
Artistic integrity….not so sure. You mean to tell me that if you’ve seen pictures of the Mona Lisa, it spoils it for you so why bother going to the Louvre? I am not buying that part.
A lot of work has gone into this site and all credit to you for that. There must be a middle ground, so that those who don’t mind being spoiled can be and those that don’t want to be will not be.
Either way, I’ve been “spoiled” and I’ll still watch and enjoy both episodes and I bet the ratings will be real high also.
Comment by bjorn — May 16, 2007 @ 7:21 am
WE DECLARE SHENANIGANS!!!!!!!
Muscle Bob Buff Pants
SOSLost
wedestroymyths
MC
Jenn
The Climaxan
Tom
Foiler or Spoiler
mw
Eric
Rob
LiLi
TabulaRasa
DocArzt
cjscott
Lance
blackrockbob
gusteaux
sebarbapapa
Archangel (new)
fish (new)
Doc, this statement makes me find your lack of faith disturbing….
“If you do, that’s fine. It doesn’t matter. It’s just more on the statement of the decline of artistic appreciation. The problem is, this incident will probably lead to less spoilers next year.”
THEY’RE FOILERS SIR! SHENANIGANS!
The sneak peak was dead on, almost word for word without the dialogue. Whoever came up with these foilers saw the sneak peak early. And lets just say that this geek, lostfan108, has seen Greatest Hits….HE KNOWS 0 about the finale!!!!!!
Blow us lostfan108, WE DECLARE SHENANIGANS!!!!!
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 16, 2007 @ 7:36 am
I really hope you’re right, MBBP! I’m still on the fence, so don’t add me to the list…..YET!
Comment by NotOphelia — May 16, 2007 @ 7:46 am
Come on, guys?! No one calls them SHENANIGANS anymore… People in the know have been calling them “Shennys” for months, now. I’m outta here, this place is dead anyway. Shennys.
Comment by gthirteen — May 16, 2007 @ 7:48 am
WE DECLARE SHENANIGANS!!!!!!!
count me in!
Muscle Bob Buff Pants
SOSLost
wedestroymyths
MC
Jenn
The Climaxan
Tom
Foiler or Spoiler
mw
Eric
Rob
LiLi
TabulaRasa
DocArzt
cjscott
Lance
blackrockbob
gusteaux
sebarbapapa
Archangel (new)
fish (new)
lostjunkie
Doc, this statement makes me find your lack of faith disturbing….
“If you do, that’s fine. It doesn’t matter. It’s just more on the statement of the decline of artistic appreciation. The problem is, this incident will probably lead to less spoilers next year.”
THEY’RE FOILERS SIR! SHENANIGANS!
The sneak peak was dead on, almost word for word without the dialogue. Whoever came up with these foilers saw the sneak peak early. And lets just say that this geek, lostfan108, has seen Greatest Hits….HE KNOWS 0 about the finale!!!!!!
Blow us lostfan108, WE DECLARE SHENANIGANS!!!!!
Posted in reply to Archangel’s comment
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Comment by lostjunkie — May 16, 2007 @ 7:50 am
SHENANIGANS!!!!
Oops, sorry, I meant Shennys!!
(At least I hope!)
Comment by parothed1974 — May 16, 2007 @ 7:51 am
WE DECLARE SHENANIGANS!!!!!!!
count me in!
Muscle Bob Buff Pants
SOSLost
wedestroymyths
MC
Jenn
The Climaxan
Tom
Foiler or Spoiler
mw
Eric
Rob
LiLi
TabulaRasa
DocArzt
cjscott
Lance
blackrockbob
gusteaux
sebarbapapa
Archangel
fish
lostjunkie
parothed1974 (new)
Comment by parothed1974 — May 16, 2007 @ 7:53 am
Guys I regret to inform you that Doc Arzt has lost faith….he will be removed from the list until it is restored.
Muscle Bob Buff Pants
SOSLost
wedestroymyths
MC
Jenn
The Climaxan
Tom
Foiler or Spoiler
mw
Eric
Rob
LiLi
TabulaRasa
cjscott
Lance
blackrockbob
gusteaux
sebarbapapa
Archangel
fish
lostjunkie
parothed1974
RIP DocArzt….for now.
And no we’re not calling it Shenny’s that sounds dumb.
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 16, 2007 @ 7:58 am
There’s nothing worse in the Land of Fandom than reading a ‘theory’ all the way through to find at the end of it the writer states they had just left an advanced viewing.
Wait–There’s nothing worse than being on a HEROES board reading a pretty good theory, in the middle of which is one sentence designed to spoil LOST’S season 3 finale.
It’s not like they’re entertainment terrorists wanting us to kill our TVs for the greater good. That would at least serve as a wake-up call to what’s really going on. They may not be off shooting up the local high school either, but they are just as lonely and estranged, and their only message is, “look at me”.
Their mothers should know.
Comment by MsPlaced — May 16, 2007 @ 8:00 am
I’m confused….I read spoilers on here all the time - you do warn us not to go beyond the link if we don’t want to but they are spoilers none the less…
Comment by Lost In Florida — May 16, 2007 @ 8:26 am
Doc is just saying that he finds the people who blatantly spoil content are jerk-offs.
Although Doc it does come off as if you are bashing all of us who come to your site for spoilers so in the future I would suggest that you calm down and not write with your emotions.
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 16, 2007 @ 8:44 am
FYI, the article over at Dark’s page is almost at 800….outrageous.
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 16, 2007 @ 8:51 am
Now im one who would spend my spare time reading theorys and spoilers, for fun, when the episodes arent built up to be the best yet.
Now, when i dont want to be spoiled! and it is hard not to run into these things. I was merely watching the teaser for the finale on youtube. You know, the one where they dont tell us ANYTHING!? its just pictures flashing by? well, it is possible to accidentaly read a spoiler. The comment right under that damn video, was not marked as a spoiler, I wasnt expecting it to say anything accurate at all (its youtube!?) but it did say something i didnt want to read. By the time i read the first few words it was too late, and sounded very accurate in terms of what might happen in the finale, it could even be the “snake in the mailbox” moment. I wasnt careful because youtube NEVER has accurate spoilers on it, its mostly always people asking “what the hells going on” or saying “this show sucks” or, saying something completly off the mark.
I dont know if its right, i dont want to know if its right, but since all these spoilers have been leaked, its quite possible. Its definatly something that would have suprized me, something i didnt think of, and even that aspect completely spoiled my exitement to watch this episode and the enjoyment i would have gotten watching the finale without being even a little bit spoiled. Because if it ends up being what i read, i am going to be really upset.
This was suposed to be something the writers and creators made to blow our minds, and carfully put together, it is a work of art, and to exploit it like this just isnt right sometimes. Like i said, i am a spoiler reader, but you have to draw the line somewhere.
Are you a true lost fan, who gets enjoyment from the way the story unfolds infront of you every wednesday, how the writers indended, and in its entirety, and are strong enough never to read a spoiler? Or are you the fan who wants to know the answers to the secrets, whenever you get the chance, disscuss your spoiler theorys with other people, and watch the show to see if youre right? or are you the rotten apple, the asshole who doesnt give a shit about lost, and wants only to ruin it for everyone else.
Im a bit of a and b, because i love discussing things on here with you guys, before or after something airs, because i love the show, i love that you can guess and question all week, and read a different theory from every single person, i think that is the best part about this show, it makes us think, and gets our minds working towards our own endings. But there is a point you can ruin something for someone, and all that shit thats been happening lately has opened my eyes, and now i dont want to participate in spoiler talk anymore. Its sad when something innocent and fun can turn into something ugly, i dont want to know everything that happens, i want to talk about the possiblitys and question what has been given to us by the producers, who are careful of what they say, so not to ruin our experiance. I dont know exactly whats going to happen! or else whats the point in even watching the show? Im even afraid to read everyone elses thoughts on this issue incase i read another spoiler! this is rediculous!
Comment by Jess — May 16, 2007 @ 9:00 am
Pot…meet kettle.
You run a spoiler site, but you are upset about spoilers getting out? This is hypocritcal to the point of absurdity.
Of course there is a difference between what you do and what the guy in the Harry Potter video did, but, honestly it is only a matter of degree.
I read the spoilers and I am happy they are turning out to be true. For those interested in an actual spoiler site goto darkUFO
For those not interested in being spoiled, stay off the internet and get back to work!
Comment by smarkit — May 16, 2007 @ 9:04 am
Latest ask ausiello suggests if you come across these spoilers don’t read them or it will ruin the suprise.
Sounds like they may be legit after all.
Comment by justjared — May 16, 2007 @ 9:17 am
The issue is that the spoilers were included in comment sections such as this one and NOT just behind spoiler tags. I don’t think Doc is saying all spoilers are bad….he’s referring to the way this was leaked and included in forums where the reader didn’t have the option to be spoiled or not….as they read the forum, they were reading the spoiler NOT REALIZING it was spoiler material. Right Doc?
Comment by NotOphelia — May 16, 2007 @ 9:20 am
Even if you refuse to acknowledge it, there is a different between spoiling a plot point and leaking an entire episode.
I for one enjoy the spoilers that give you glimpses of what’s to come but find the complete episode leaks somehwat disappointing.
Comment by justjared — May 16, 2007 @ 9:20 am
DocArtz posted “I like spoilers that leave the mystery intact and open nebulous discussions brimming with creative possibilities. This travesty was below my standards.”
Seriously, this has to be a joke, right?
Dude, you have a page on your site called “spoilers”. You say it is disrespectful to the writers to release information in advance, and yet you do so regularly. But it is OK for you to do so because somehow you know the right way to do it?
You actually seem to believe spoiling is an art form in itself, apparently. You are so pompous that you actually believe that your parasitic existence is ENHANCING the show, while other parasites are DISRESPECTING the show.
Just post what you know, monkey, that is what we are here for.
Comment by smarkit — May 16, 2007 @ 9:26 am
This is a shitty situation because you dont have to go to darkUFO to get spoilers anymore, i was spoiled on fucking you tube, since this “leak” happened anyone could post it. Im not blaming anyone but the asshole who puts those words down in a comment, with no warning, and obviously did it to ruin it for lost fans. Since the one i read was posted in the video for the finale teaser, which holds no spoilers on its own, and was said in a manner that shows he isnt a fan.
I come to this site to talk with other fans about theorys and mild spoilers, i dont ever want to know the fine details or most shocking moments before i watch it, and thats why i come here and to darkufo, these sites give valid warnings, you cant accidentally read something you have to click a link that says “warning spoiler alert” to get to, or else your just retarded. Im pissed at the people that dont give warnings and post things in places they shouldnt. and im starting to think the thing i read on the most unreliable shit website, might actually be true. and I feel sick. This is by far not Darkufo or docartz’s fault, they only posted what others already have, they are running spoiler sites…thats what they do. They are obvioulsy not trying to ruin it for anyone, thats why the warn us. If YOU click the spoiler button, YOU will be spoiled. I DIDNT CLICK THE FUCKING BUTTON! i chose not to, but yet i was spoiled by some ass on you tube…you see the point!? one bad apple…..
Comment by Jess — May 16, 2007 @ 9:26 am
whoa…whoa…whoa…easy there tiger…we’ve heard reports of 5 deaths and that seems to be the magic number…but now you’re up to:
Tom
Mikhail
Pryce
Charlie
Cindy
Bonnie
Greta
Naomi
That’s 8…count then EIGHT!!!! Punk-tot!
from what Dark’s site led us to believe three men would die (who I won’t repeat) and 2 women, who hadn’t been named yet…you’re at 4 and 4 bub…
You know what I call? You know?????
SHENANIGANS
Comment by wedestroymyths — May 16, 2007 @ 9:28 am
But Mr. Turk, TheMisfit is my hero!
Smarkit: It’s not a clear case of pet meeting kettle… this is NOT a spoiler site. I do print spoilers and I temper them very carefully. I tend to pick the ones that will generate the most conversation. Not a full synopsis of the freakin show. Most Spoiler sites don’t even generate their own content, its user submitted or taken from other sites. I tend to think my interviews, easter egg anaylsis, and original articles are the nerve center of the site. Other than that it is news commentary.
Not to point fingers are any particular blog, but personally I get no pleasure from posting somebody else’s news and simply tagging the source. I rip my own videos, and when I report something regarding LOST I infuse my opinion into it. I do try to maintain the courtesy of keeping the lines clear, but I do much more than copy and paste here.
Comment by docarzt — May 16, 2007 @ 9:31 am
Too much conflicting info… after much thought. I call SHENANIGANS… Add me to the list.
Comment by henisey — May 16, 2007 @ 9:35 am
So after all we’ve been through in the past 24 hours you’re just going to ignore the list entirely doc?
That hurts more than you know….
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 16, 2007 @ 9:38 am
Well that is a very good point and analogy. Let me be clear: I’m not trying to convert anyone to my point of view… just state the obvious. So no apologies necessary. As Muscle Bob Buff Pants has pointed out, I
Comment by docarzt — May 16, 2007 @ 9:41 am
All of you that are bashing Doc are a bunch of idiots….hes trying to explain that this spoiler was was posted in the comments section(Where spoilers shouldn’t be) as he said several times. Even thou, the spoiler about the final is bullshit anyways.
Comment by sayidwillkill — May 16, 2007 @ 9:41 am
I for one hope these spoilers don’t turn out to be true. This is a level of spoilage I wasn’t anticipating.
Comment by Paula Abdul Alhazred — May 16, 2007 @ 9:51 am
Yet another reason to call shenanigans. The sneak peak for this week involves Jack trying to blow up the others and the promo shows dynamite, and rosseau being involved… none of this storyline is even mentioned in the spoilers…. hmmm youd think that would be a main part of the storyline.. wouldnt you?
Comment by henisey — May 16, 2007 @ 9:57 am
On another note, AICN hasnt posted a lost talkback yet… who wants to be they dont want to open the can of worms over there again??
Comment by henisey — May 16, 2007 @ 9:59 am
actually, the only time that I was really spoil for an episode was because of this site, it was posted that a parachuter will arrive on the island and her name was gonna be naomi
but then on that episode that was the big revelation, it was cut to make people think it was gonna be penny, but we knew otherwise because we saw it here without much spoiler warnings and it ruined the whole episode in the same way that those spoilers might ruin the last two
Comment by lavatory love machine — May 16, 2007 @ 10:12 am
I’ve read TONS of spoilers on this site. Why are you choosing to complain about them now? I love Lost, but I also like spoilers. I pay attention to all the little hidden things in the episode that way.
Comment by Kate — May 16, 2007 @ 10:13 am
Bottom line, Doc…I would take your views FAR more seriously if you did not have a spoiler page on your site.
Comment by smarkit — May 16, 2007 @ 10:16 am
Greatest Hits and the finale are gonna be the SHIT! LOST will enhance your life, and you’ll like it!
Comment by Scratchandsniffpuffysticker — May 16, 2007 @ 10:21 am
and LOSTFAN108, if you have screenplays then that makes me think it’s misdirection from the show almost for sure, it is nothing to new to print copies of fake endings and let them leak, it happened several times on diferent shows (simpsons, xfiles, friends, etc)
and what you wrote seems exactly what they might leak if that where their intention
SPOILERS AHEAD
if we know that jack and kate will sooner or later leave the island much of the appeal of the show will be gone, also in these case we would have to asume that they weren’t rescue by naomi’s people but there’s no other way for them to get out, also if naomi is not who she said she is (she said she never met penny, by the way)then who is she? she’s not an other and she’s not dharma, that we know for sure, and the writters said many times that on the flashbacks we will learn a dark secret about jack’s past, what’s up with that? how could it be a flashfoward then?
Comment by lavatory love machine — May 16, 2007 @ 10:23 am
Honestly some people read the spoilers to be spoiled and that is their choice. I am not sad it was leaked because happen to be one of the few people who want to be spoiled. It doesn’t ruin Lost for me because I still have to watch it and see the cinematics to it. Honestly its Dark’s site with his views he can post what he likes. Yay for free speech. As for the producers maybe they need to keep a tighter lid on their show’s leaks.
Comment by Vesta — May 16, 2007 @ 10:36 am
That’s a finale sneak peek. The sneak peek for tonight is actually spot on with this guys spoilers.
Comment by justjared — May 16, 2007 @ 10:41 am
You’re such an ass that I can smell your breath through the LAN line. At least now there’s someone connected to Lost that hate more than Paulo.
Comment by MerlboroMan — May 16, 2007 @ 10:43 am
Sorry but the parachutist named Naomi was on the cast list released by the studio in advance as part of their usual press release business. Not a spoiler.
Comment by docarzt — May 16, 2007 @ 10:44 am
Sorry but the parachutist named Naomi was on the cast list released by the studio in advance as part of their usual press release business. Not a spoiler.
Comment by docarzt — May 16, 2007 @ 10:44 am
Exactly what I was thinking, Lostfan108 may have 99% of the finale correct because of the leaked ascreenplays. But what he does not have is the screenplay that the actors that were filming at the end of last week had. so far we only know that Matthew fox was involved in that shoot, as he said so on Kimmel, he did not say who else was in that scene. On the rest of the screenplays the producers have put a foiler in in order to keep the secret, away from being spoiled. George Lucas told Mark Hamil that vader was his father just as he was about to shoot the scene, it wasn’t even on his screenplay. So trust me there is a hope that the gamechanger has not been revealed yet.
Comment by Kirk — May 16, 2007 @ 10:44 am
Here’s a flashforward for everyone…
…I need a life.
Comment by docartz — May 16, 2007 @ 10:44 am
The show will definitely change but it doesn’t haven’t to lose it’s appeal if your still interested in filling in the blanks between S3 finale and the info you posted.
Plus, no one seems to be considering alternate timelines or even acknowledging the long alluded to time discrepancy between on island and off island. If the time discrepancy is in play, who knows exactly when the stuff you posted takes place and how it makes sense with the overall story.
Plus, the stories can always intersect at some point in the next couple of seasons and come to an eding that is still completely unexpected.
If the spoiler about Jack’s final words are correct then obviosuly there is more to come.
Comment by justjared — May 16, 2007 @ 10:46 am
I think its a foiler….I think Sayid, Jack, Sawyer, Desmond and Jin will rape hurley, while everyone watches and cheers them on.
Comment by sayidwillkill — May 16, 2007 @ 10:52 am
Okay,
A) I should be on that Shenanigans list because I’ve been saying it’s 50% foiler this whole time and here’s why
B) lostfan108 claims he’s got “screenplays.” What’s amusing about that is that if he got them then they’re watermarked. Every copy of Lost’s scripts are watermarked with the name of who that copy belongs to (i.e. Michael Emerson’s name is watermarked all over his copy of “The Man Behind the Curtain”). So if “too special to be special ed” lostfan108 actually did get a copy, his source is going to get shut down quicker than he does at speed dating. Now, who in their right mind would risk their job for some internet geek? Methinks this Vaseline breathed troll got some legitimate spoilers from some sites then used his imagination to fill in the blanks. Regardless, the constants “spoiler” posting on comments pages only earns him automatic flame targetting.
Comment by MerlboroMan — May 16, 2007 @ 10:58 am
DOC IS BACK ON THE LIST!!!!
Muscle Bob Buff Pants
SOSLost
wedestroymyths
MC
Jenn
The Climaxan
Tom
Foiler or Spoiler
mw
Eric
Rob
LiLi
TabulaRasa
cjscott
Lance
blackrockbob
gusteaux
sebarbapapa
Archangel
fish
lostjunkie
parothed1974
DocArzt (new)
MerlboroMan (new)
WE DECLARE SHENANIGANS ON THE FINALE SPOILERS!!!!
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 16, 2007 @ 11:07 am
You’re a jerk. How do you know how i enjoy my Lost? You don’t. I come to your site to know what’s expected to happen so i won’t miss anything coming up in an episode. I like to think of spoilers as prepping for the game, if you will. So either post spoilers or don’t but its not your place to repremand anyone else for what they do or why they do it. Jerk.
Comment by Kate — May 16, 2007 @ 11:09 am
I’m going to assume that you skimmed Doc’s post and didn’t realize he was referring to “shotgun” spoilers, ya know, people who don’t give you that choice of knowing or not knowing, they just blast you with the info. Makes you kind of feel like an arse once you understand the actual context. Save the insults for people who actually deserve them, like lostfan108. Now, I wouldn’t say he’d suck a penis, but I’ve heard he’d hold one in his mouth. I got that from a screenplay.
Comment by MerlboroMan — May 16, 2007 @ 11:14 am
Insiderscoop’s summary matches Lostfan’s Graetest Hits spoiler. However, I also call shenanigans on the finale spoler!
Comment by Scratchandsniffpuffysticker — May 16, 2007 @ 11:15 am
Exactly, it’s not unheard of being able to see “Greatest Hits” before us but the finale? The finale spoilers are full of holes, inconsistencies, and seem just wrong.
SHENANIGANS ARE STILL ON FOR THE FINALE, WE WON’T BE FOOLED YOU DOG!
Muscle Bob Buff Pants
SOSLost
wedestroymyths
MC
Jenn
The Climaxan
Tom
Foiler or Spoiler
mw
Eric
Rob
LiLi
TabulaRasa
cjscott
Lance
blackrockbob
gusteaux
sebarbapapa
Archangel
fish
lostjunkie
parothed1974
DocArzt
MerlboroMan
Scratchandsniffpuffysticker (new)
WE’RE ALSO HUNGRY AND WE DEMAND PUNCH AND PIE!
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 16, 2007 @ 11:20 am
Just checking in with you people. Remember I told you yesterday that Charlie reaches the underwater hatch by boat? Go to DarkUFO and read the synopsis. You will now know that I am legit and that I did not, as DarkUFO claims, contact him with the information he posted. I chose to release that tidbit here because I don’t like liars and a lot of you seemed to think this was all about DarkUFO getting exclusive info from me. Well there you go, this site got exclusive info from me, not this DarkUFO guy who posted stuff I didn’t even write and claimed it was sent to him from me. I notice he hasn’t updated his thread with the additional details he was supposed to be asking me about. I rule. Not him. not this site. AICN is a bunch of pussies for pulling the spoilers. They should have just yanked the synopsis but oh well. I guess its like this guy says, its like a virus. nobody has self control. You are all my puppets… mua-ha-h-ha-ha and DocArzt…. “SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE”
Comment by LOSTfan108 — May 16, 2007 @ 11:36 am
You’re a jackass. I don’t care if you’re right or wrong. I have ZERO respect for you and your attitude toward the fans of Lost.
Pat yourself on the back hero and get fucked.
Comment by Justjared — May 16, 2007 @ 11:42 am
Perhaps it’s best that Doc visit my latest thread at The Fuselage in the spoiler theories forum. It pertains to the AICN/Lostfan108 and Yahoo spoilers.
In the simplest terms let me state that a campaign was designed weeks ago by combat leaks with disinformation. Without opening the final Christmas present I’ll just read the card attached to the bow…
“The Truth About Lying” not only worked as a placeholder title for Greatest Hits, but had great significance why this particular “spoiler” was time-released now, and not on The Fuselage. *wink wink*
Friend.
Comment by Friend — May 16, 2007 @ 11:48 am
Perhaps it’s best that Doc visit my latest thread at The Fuselage in the spoiler theories forum. It pertains to the AICN/Lostfan108 and Yahoo spoilers.
In the simplest terms let me state that a campaign was designed weeks ago by combat leaks with disinformation. Without opening the final Christmas present I’ll just read the card attached to the bow…
“The Truth About Lying” not only worked as a placeholder title for Greatest Hits, but had great significance why this particular “spoiler” was time-released now, and not on The Fuselage. *wink wink*
Friend.
Comment by Friend — May 16, 2007 @ 11:49 am
What?
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 16, 2007 @ 11:56 am
But everybody else loves me! Especially DarkUFO since I make him so famous with my ‘information.’ hahah
Comment by LOSTfan108 — May 16, 2007 @ 11:58 am
But everybody else loves me! Especially DarkUFO since I make him so famous with my ‘information.’ hahah
Comment by LOSTfan108 — May 16, 2007 @ 11:58 am
Tick tock. The clock winds down.
Comment by Friend — May 16, 2007 @ 12:03 pm
friend, where is your forum on the lage located– i cant find it
Comment by henisey — May 16, 2007 @ 12:10 pm
You’ve been outed FRIEND!
“The spoilers originated from LostFan108. He’s most likely the alias of a guy who posted as “Friend” at The Fuselage. They’ve banned him for posting foilers.”
We’re on to you jerkface!
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 16, 2007 @ 12:16 pm
If you think about all other viewers around the world, this discussion doesn
Comment by What about us (not in US) — May 16, 2007 @ 12:17 pm
haha. wrong.
Comment by LOSTfan108 — May 16, 2007 @ 12:30 pm
He outed himself when he said he had a screenplay. Remember, they’re watermarked and there’s no way he got a copy this far in advance of the finale. He’s full of shit. lostfan108 is the product of gene splicing and pig feces: A 40-something basement troll who screams like a girl whenever his mother forgets to buy his mallow bars and Hello Kitty comics.
Comment by MerlboroMan — May 16, 2007 @ 12:35 pm
I would explain more at The Fuselage but it appears I’ve been banned. A shame since I had one more message to leave which might’ve cleared up a few miscellaneous smudges on the glass.
I will, however, leave you with one pertinent bit of information which you may take to heart or discard at your own lesiure… there is no such thing as FATE.
Farewell,
Friend
Comment by Friend — May 16, 2007 @ 12:39 pm
I don’t get it. I see your thread at the ‘lage but you say AICN vs Yahoo and one has it right.
Are you talking about the finale spoilerish synopsis on Yahoo TV?
It does seem to differ significantly from what Lostfan posted.
Are you suggesting that fake screenplays for the finale were leaked.
I want to believe you so we can all piss on lostfan108’s forehead.
Comment by justjared — May 16, 2007 @ 12:40 pm
doc, cant you just trace the IP’s used to post Friend’s messages and LF108’s? id be interested to see if they arent the same person.
anyway…as im in the UK, im not going to get to watch this episode til tomorrow evening…but…am looking forward to it.
Comment by mw — May 16, 2007 @ 12:44 pm
ok your right, i only saw greatest hits and put together a theory for the finale.. guess i had you all fooled !!! LOL!!!!
Comment by LOSTfan108 — May 16, 2007 @ 12:45 pm
Doc just admitted over at Dark’s site that he is lolstfan108!!!!!!!!!
It’s all crazy and mixed and jumbled!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Guys….has the drama ended already?
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 16, 2007 @ 12:46 pm
I guess im just a little bitch.. lol.
Comment by LOSTfan108 — May 16, 2007 @ 12:47 pm
I cant believe so many people bought my info… thats hillarious. I guess im the best foiler ever!
Comment by LOSTfan108 — May 16, 2007 @ 12:51 pm
I guess you’re just desperate for attention wierd-ass.
Now, why don’t you just shut the hell up already?
Comment by Black_Smoke — May 16, 2007 @ 12:53 pm
I had all you pathetic losers fooled..
Comment by LOSTfan108 — May 16, 2007 @ 12:55 pm
LOL, don’t get so full of yourself. Foilers like this always come up and it’s only the gullible-spoiler readers who believe them.
The rest of us are just sitting back and laughing at your nerdy attempts to get your 5-seconds of fame.
Comment by Black_Smoke — May 16, 2007 @ 12:59 pm
shennanalicious.
Comment by mw — May 16, 2007 @ 1:02 pm
I am sorry. I have a little penis.
Comment by LOSTfan108 — May 16, 2007 @ 1:03 pm
ummm anyone could put there name as lostfan108 and write things……
Comment by Jess — May 16, 2007 @ 1:04 pm
i just thought of something… cant anyone just like type in any name they want on here and pretend to be anyone their not…. i bet someone is screwing with lostfan and thats not even him.
Comment by henisey — May 16, 2007 @ 1:04 pm
….see im doing it right now
Comment by LOSTfan108 — May 16, 2007 @ 1:05 pm
Its me… and im sorry, but i didnt spoil everything for you.. theres still a major kate reveal i didnt share…
Comment by LOSTfan108 — May 16, 2007 @ 1:06 pm
Yeah bro, it’s pretty obvious you’re a virgin. I mean, who else would sit on their computer all day and make up foilers that people believe for a day? Definetely not someone who has friends and a social life.
Comment by Black_Smoke — May 16, 2007 @ 1:06 pm
What the fuck..?
Comment by henisey — May 16, 2007 @ 1:06 pm
no im not!
Comment by LOSTfan108 — May 16, 2007 @ 1:08 pm
I could have said that there was still a kate reveal, anyone who knows how to read could have. Weve all known there was going to be one for a while now. oOOoOOo i burning with anticipation….i wonder what it could be. Im still not buying this is really the same guy who may have ruined our lost experience, if he isnt a kniving little liar.
Comment by Jess — May 16, 2007 @ 1:09 pm
im not an ass virgin…
Comment by LOSTfan108 — May 16, 2007 @ 1:09 pm
…wait…yes i am!
Comment by LOSTfan108 — May 16, 2007 @ 1:10 pm
How can i prove its me??
Comment by LOSTfan108 — May 16, 2007 @ 1:11 pm
How can i prove its me??
Comment by LOSTfan108 — May 16, 2007 @ 1:11 pm
Yes I admit it, I’m a virgin. But I REALLLY LOOVVEE LOSST!!!!!
I even jerk off to Jate and Skate fan pics!
Comment by LOSTfan108 — May 16, 2007 @ 1:12 pm
that proves it, right there…. this guy is either 12 and living in his mothers basement, or 45… living in his mothers basement. Who pretends to be someone, who pretends to be “someone”?…holy shit.
Comment by Jess — May 16, 2007 @ 1:13 pm
You cant!!! Haha, you’re such a loser the real “LOSTfan108″. Why don’t you go cry in the corner and remember the 2 hours you fooled some people.
Comment by Black_Smoke — May 16, 2007 @ 1:14 pm
I dont know.. but the security here sucks… doesnt it jess.
Comment by Jess — May 16, 2007 @ 1:14 pm
haha, indeed it does LOSTfan108…indeed it does.
Comment by LOSTfan108 — May 16, 2007 @ 1:15 pm
Just logged on and saw what was going on. I am the Real lostfan108 and i see that people have decided to screw with me. thats fine. youll see that im right about the finale next week and youll never get good spoilers from me again, assholes.
Comment by lostfan108 — May 16, 2007 @ 1:16 pm
I need to learn how to design a comments system…
Comment by DocArzt — May 16, 2007 @ 1:17 pm
This is entertaining to say the least, at least i have something to do until 8.
Comment by Jess — May 16, 2007 @ 1:21 pm
DOCARZT– shut this thread down… turning stupid… people are being dumb.
Comment by henisey — May 16, 2007 @ 1:21 pm
Yes Doc. Yes, indeed.
In all these comments, I believe we’ve heard from over 50 LOSTfan108’s.
Comment by Black_Smoke — May 16, 2007 @ 1:22 pm
LF108: ..no great loss.
Comment by mw — May 16, 2007 @ 1:23 pm
Blacksmoke.. your a retard.
Comment by lostfan108 — May 16, 2007 @ 1:26 pm
Wrong, wrong, wrong. The internet doesn’t work “Clockwork Orange” style. Nobody forces your eyelids wide open with clamps and then makes you read spoilers. You CHOOSE to skip the “spoilers” section - free will - or not. Guess what? I see the spoiler section here AND on Dark UFO, and I choose not to investigate EITHER. I have no idea how the season’s ending - that’s MY CHOICE.
Comment by Jocke — May 16, 2007 @ 1:26 pm
I’m going to call SHENANIGANS because while skimming through I saw the list of supposed deaths and no way are Mikhail and Tom gonna die.
Comment by valentin_50 — May 16, 2007 @ 1:26 pm
Will the real lostfan please stand up?
I think we will just have to wait, watch and see how it all pans out…
Comment by Mette — May 16, 2007 @ 1:27 pm
First off,
Fake lostfan108…I don’t think I can come up with any insult that God has not already made a part of your life.
Second,
Real lostfan108…your spoiler is BS…watermarked scripts ya tool. There’s no report about anyone missing their’s and believe me, if you got a copy then someone would out who’s copy you had. Regardless, if this is how YOU post spoilers, no one is going to miss you when you go.
Third,
I’m looking forward to tonight’s episode regardless of this peanut-infested fecal flake’s “spoiler” and when the finale airs I hope they scroll this dorks ip address at the bottom of the screen.
Comment by MerlboroMan — May 16, 2007 @ 1:28 pm
HEY JOCKE. Jack and kate get off the island and jack says they have to go back.. LOST.
there ya go
Comment by dirtyhook — May 16, 2007 @ 1:30 pm
Don’t believe any spoiler regarding the finale, not here or anywhere. PERIOD.
Comment by MerlboroMan — May 16, 2007 @ 1:33 pm
Now i see why AICN doesnt have a talkback up today. Im new to the forum community this week and you guys smoke some crack… i think ill just watch lost and not blog about it anymore.
Additionally- Docarzt– you need to get some full time moderation in here… seriously.
Comment by henisey — May 16, 2007 @ 1:36 pm
Doc what announcement are you making tomorrow?
Is it special or are you just hyping it up?
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 16, 2007 @ 1:37 pm
man, you all just get way too worked up about this. Is it true? Maybe. Who cares, just watch it. You’re lending this too much credence by arguing whether or not lostfan108 is a real person, has the actual script or not, or it’s Shennadigans…grow the hell up, watch the show and shut up about it for chrissakes…
Comment by sadlostfan — May 16, 2007 @ 1:37 pm
man, you all just get way too worked up about this. Is it true? Maybe. Who cares, just watch it. You’re lending this too much credence by arguing whether or not lostfan108 is a real person, has the actual script or not, or it’s Shennadigans…grow the hell up, watch the show and shut up about it for chrissakes…
Comment by sadlostfan — May 16, 2007 @ 1:38 pm
Im really mad also because ive watched lost from the beginning and think i could have made some good online buddies in the fan community.. too bad dumbasses have to be stupid.
Comment by henisey — May 16, 2007 @ 1:38 pm
If he shuts this down then the Shenanigans list will be gone =(
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 16, 2007 @ 1:39 pm
On a side note musclebob- did you add me to the shenanigans list.. i asked you to earlier..
Comment by henisey — May 16, 2007 @ 1:41 pm
I also need to be added and I agree it would be sad if the SHENANIGANS list was gone.
Comment by valentin_50 — May 16, 2007 @ 1:43 pm
Dude the shenanigans list is a joke….don’t ruin the fun.
UPDATED SHENANIGANS LIST!!!
Muscle Bob Buff Pants
SOSLost
wedestroymyths
MC
Jenn
The Climaxan
Tom
Foiler or Spoiler
mw
Eric
Rob
LiLi
TabulaRasa
cjscott
Lance
blackrockbob
gusteaux
sebarbapapa
Archangel
fish
lostjunkie
parothed1974
DocArzt
MerlboroMan
Scratchandsniffpuffysticker
henisey (new)
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 16, 2007 @ 1:44 pm
Muscle Bob Buff Pants
SOSLost
wedestroymyths
MC
Jenn
The Climaxan
Tom
Foiler or Spoiler
mw
Eric
Rob
LiLi
TabulaRasa
cjscott
Lance
blackrockbob
gusteaux
sebarbapapa
Archangel
fish
lostjunkie
parothed1974
DocArzt
MerlboroMan
Scratchandsniffpuffysticker
henisey
valentin_50 (new)
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 16, 2007 @ 1:48 pm
In all honesty, I’m just coming back to this comment page to flame lostfan108. I made my “serious” speech in my first post on this page. Now I’m just here because I’ve been bed-ridden the last few days and I’m home sick with my laptop working on some other writing projects inbetween stopping by to test out new insults.
Comment by MerlboroMan — May 16, 2007 @ 1:57 pm
i hear ya. ….im…er..waiting around for more interesting thinsg to happen..whilst avoiding filling out some logsheets. actually i was ill until today as well….a chest infection which turned into evil headcold. damned manchester weather is what i blame it on…
does anybody know what happened with Doc supposedly admitting to being lostfan? i dont buy that but no ones mentioned anything else on it since, so im just wondering if it was totally made up out of the blue, or only..say…half?
Comment by mw — May 16, 2007 @ 2:03 pm
..while im posting, i should say i finally looked up about Jacob’s ladder…do you know, Jacob saw his ladder, and then proclaimed that “(sic.) ..truly, this place is the gate of heaven..”…which….well. is the island just that? i guess they wanted us to at least ask the question.
also, the way in which god loved Jacob was that even though Jacob keep fucking up, god loved/accepted him. jacob also tricked his brother into giving up to him the right to father gods chosen people (if i remember correctly), and i think there are other stories involvng him tricking or being tricked. Jacob also wrestled with an angel - who may in fact have been god, depending on who you talk to - and the angel was, after a night’s struggle, unnable to best jacob. he was then dubbed Ys ra’el (i think ive spelt that correctly…it means “he who has struggled with god”, or so says wikiepdia!) and blessed by the angel.
Comment by mw — May 16, 2007 @ 2:11 pm
SUCK IT LINDELOF!!!!!!!!!!!
I haven’t read the spoilers, but maybe having their finale possibly ruined will teach’em for giving the public such BS. C’mon, spreading two seasons worth of episodes over three seasons because of “international marketing deals and story planning”? I would have loved to see the looks on Damon Lindelof’s and Carlton Cuse’s faces when they found out this leaked!!!!!
Comment by tarkyark — May 16, 2007 @ 2:11 pm
I hope you are right, Kirk. I would love to see the finale and find out most of the spoiler info was bogus.
Comment by DrQuest — May 16, 2007 @ 2:13 pm
no..i think i didnt get the chosen people thing right…it was something to do with his descendants blessing themselves by his name or..somesuch…i should check now, but am too lazy.
Comment by mw — May 16, 2007 @ 2:14 pm
Hey…Just thought i’d let you know, the story about Jacob goes something like this: Abraham had 2 sons, Esau being the eldest, and Jacob the youngest. Abraham favored his eldest, and was going to give his blessings to him before he died. Abraham was blind. Jacobs mom favored Jacob and so convinced Jacob to dress as Esau to steal the first blessings. The blessings was like his Father’s approval and asking God to bless him forever and his decendents, ETC. anyhow, so Esau finds out and wants to kill Jacob. So Jacob runs away. That night or a few nights after wards he goes to sleep on a rock and wakes up in the middle of the night to see a ladder that goes up to heaven. there are Angles going up and down. He made a pillar or something to show that , that place was holy. He caught the ankle of an angle (Some say it was Jesus) and wouldn’t let go . He struggled with him all night and told him he would not let go until the angle blessed him. and so he (the angle)did….and the rest you have to read your self. lol.
Comment by LiLi — May 16, 2007 @ 3:11 pm
Doc!!!!!!!!!! Why has thou forsaken me!???!??
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 16, 2007 @ 3:39 pm
Come over to the http://www.LookingGlassStation.com for uncensored forum posts. You can post anything you want LOST related. Spoiler or Foilers come on down!
Comment by LookingGlassStation — May 16, 2007 @ 3:51 pm
Hmm. Let’s see.
We have the following posting on this fourm:
lostfan108
Lostfan108
LOSTfan108
DocArtz
docartz
DarkUFO
Dark UFO
Whenever you reply, do you know which child you are replying to???
Comment by Austerican — May 16, 2007 @ 5:06 pm
Good gravy, people. Doc did not call you or any other Lost fan anything derogative. Merely stated some opinions. Crazy how sensitive some are. Don’t read the spoilers, or read the spoilers. Go cry like a baby because someone has a differing opinion.
If ya can’t stand the heat, get away from the keyboard!
Comment by FrostyLostie — May 16, 2007 @ 5:30 pm
I’ve carefully avoided spoilers for the last two episodes. There have been some close calls though. You really shouldn’t post any spoilers unless there is some sort of warning attached. I’d like to know if any of my theories are seemingly coming to fruition. That being said, Muscle_Bob add me to the shenanigans list, because it reeks of misdirection…
Comment by cap10tripps — May 16, 2007 @ 5:35 pm
Muscle Bob Buff Pants
SOSLost
wedestroymyths
MC
Jenn
The Climaxan
Tom
Foiler or Spoiler
mw
Eric
Rob
LiLi
TabulaRasa
cjscott
Lance
blackrockbob
gusteaux
sebarbapapa
Archangel
fish
lostjunkie
parothed1974
DocArzt
MerlboroMan
Scratchandsniffpuffysticker
henisey
valentin_50
cap10tripps (new)
WE STAND TRUE TO OUR SHENANIGANS CAMPAIGN AGAINST LOSTFAN108.
This is my final bump for the night, good night everyone and enjoy the show in a few min!
Doc why have you been dodging me all day?
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 16, 2007 @ 6:57 pm
Add me please Muscle_Bob_Stuff_Pants, saw you at DarkUFO I agree with you about the finale.
bolix
Comment by bolix — May 16, 2007 @ 10:02 pm
Do you all still call shennanigans with this episode being so extremely spot on accurate? I personally am very inclined to believe the spoiler. If it is true, I cant say I really think its all that mindblowing of an ending to this season. I will be very disappointed if it is accurate and quite pleased if its a foiler. I highly doubt shennanigans on this one guys.
Comment by stigmatic — May 16, 2007 @ 10:58 pm
I’m thinking about posting the names of all those who fell for the “shenanigans”. I would do it every 10 posts, w/ MBBP at the top of the list so every one know that he got fooled big time on this one.
But then i remembered the obnoxious number of posts MBBP made telling everyone he wasn’t being fooled, so everyone should already know.
I’m just givin you a hard time MBBP. But lets be honest, you had it comin… No hard feelins’
Comment by JuanTon — May 17, 2007 @ 12:22 am
Let me amend that last post. I didn’t read the lostfan108 spoilers (until reading the Greatest Hits one after watching the episode, still havn’t read the finale spoilers). But from what I saw on another thread was that the promo pics for next week might not match with the description given. So there is still a chance he’s wrong next week. But he was dead on this week.
Comment by JuanTon — May 17, 2007 @ 12:47 am
I’m going to laff so hard when everyone survives this season.
The point of Doc’s post was that it’s just incredibly horrid to spoil the story without a warning that’s what you were getting.
Do you really want some asshole in a spaceship to come screaming by your window minutes before planet Earth is obliterated to yell out the window all answers? Don’t you want to try to survive those last few minutes and belive there may actually be a God and what you’ve been doing is working his plan? The spoiler-rat makes me want to expose some of what’s really going on in the world. You want to hear some of that, or do you want to avoid spoilers in your distraction from the real world without this creep posting the end on every possible forum?
God writes.
Comment by MsPlaced — May 17, 2007 @ 2:12 am
dirtyhook - if what you posted is true, you’re an ass for posting it. If not…
…well, you’re an ass anyway.
Comment by Jocke — May 17, 2007 @ 8:47 am
hahahahaha……nice one dude
Comment by bjorn — May 17, 2007 @ 8:49 am
I think you may be right about this, Climaxan. At least I am hoping you are. I regret reading them but once you start, it’s hard to stop, hehe. Anyway, here’s hoping that the finale spoiler is one big elaborate hoax. And if this be the case, my hat is off to the mastermind behind it.
Namaste.
Comment by Dr. Quest — May 17, 2007 @ 9:05 am
Quick note:
There are no draft or non-watermarked scripts left lying around for public consumption (with the exception a few months ago during filming near a cafe when a fan happened upon a call sheet near a table and walked off with it).
Each script, be it a first draft with connotations or an indivually marked script for specific actors are kept on-set and tracked throughout the day. Afterwards they’re collected and accounted for.
No actor will receive a completed script, only the pages that are necessary for them to study before and during filming specific shots pertaining to their roles. Again, afterwards they’re collected and accounted for. The cameramen, nor the dolly grips have access to the scripts with the exception of a chosen few, such as those who keep track of the continuity and editor’s logs.
Perhaps the true “snake in the mailbox” was received by those at AICN and here?
Friend
Comment by Friend — May 17, 2007 @ 9:44 am
“I’ve been spoiler for the bulk of this show. And most of the other shows I watch.
I wish I hadn’t read this. It is just so big, I wish I didn’t know.
I sincerely hope it is a foiler, just so I can still be surprised.
He who seeks truth deserves punishment for finding it.”
I agree. I too hope that it is a foiler so I can be surprised. I don’t mind knowing a little bit about an episode before it airs, but I don’t always exercise enough self-control to avoid the spoilers. Like this time. Arrrgh. I wish I hadn’t read it. Maybe it’s an elaborate hoax.
Comment by DrQuest — May 17, 2007 @ 10:17 am
Yeah I don’t care if I’m wrong….
Shenanigans are still on!!!!!!!
All those on the list don’t worry, we’ll still be declaring Shenanigans probably throughout the rest of 2007.
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 17, 2007 @ 2:07 pm
Updated list:
Muscle Bob Buff Pants
SOSLost
wedestroymyths
MC
Jenn
The Climaxan
Tom
Foiler or Spoiler
mw
Eric
Rob
LiLi
TabulaRasa
cjscott
Lance
blackrockbob
gusteaux
sebarbapapa
Archangel
fish
lostjunkie
parothed1974
DocArzt
MerlboroMan
Scratchandsniffpuffysticker
henisey
valentin_50
cap10tripps
bolix (new)
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 17, 2007 @ 2:09 pm
It’s not shenanigans guys. Go to http://www.myspace.com/docarzt and read his little blog on the leak where there is updated info. It’s real, but some really big things are missing and some things are laughably wrong.
Comment by Nico — May 17, 2007 @ 3:16 pm
It’s not shenanigans guys. Go to http://www.myspace.com/docarzt and read his little blog on the leak where there is updated info. It’s real, but some really big things are missing and some things are laughably wrong.
Comment by Nico — May 17, 2007 @ 3:17 pm
More shenanigans support in the latest podcast. Darlton stated that the finale won’t even be sent to ABC for airing until the morning of the finale for air. So tell me how LOSTfan108 was able to view the finished product a week ago Monday? Sounds fishy to me.
SHENANIGANS!!!!!
Comment by The Climaxan — May 22, 2007 @ 2:57 pm
I can’t believe DocArzt is criticizing spoilers! lol. I had to re-read this post twice. I purposely have avoided this website for the past 3 months b/c it is so spoiler-laiden, as compared to darkUFO or lostblog.net. Now that the season finale is over i’m back on.
Funny stuff.
Comment by Kevin — May 24, 2007 @ 7:26 am