One Good Reason Why You Shouldn’t Worry About Locke
Are you worried about Locke? I’m not. Not because of the bullet trajectory and the absence of a certain major blood bearing organ. Not because he was still breathing when they cut away. There is one very very good reason to not be worried about Locke. Since you might consider it a spoiler, I’ll tuck it behind the link.
The fact is, folks, Carlton Cuse has already told us via TV Guide that Locke survives. His words:
"Let’s just say the end of the season features a showdown between Jack and Locke — a showdown long anticipated and a showdown with an extremely significant outcome for the future of the castaways."
Okay? Feel better now? And since the language suggests a sort of meet up of the fist-a-cuffs variety, we can safely assume that Locke will be miraculously healed yet again. Face it, Locke hobbling onto the beach with his hands to his guts and gasping for breath wouldn’t make for much of a lead up to the "showdown long anticipated."
no i agree he won’t die apparently theres some prmo pics somewhere of jack and locke stood together in the finale,don’t know were though!
Comment by nickk — May 11, 2007 @ 5:41 am
From the second he got shot, I was never worried about Locke. Darlton wouldn’t let a tremendously integral part of the show just die off like that. If John Locke were to die, it would be in spectacular (or at least more emotional) fashion.
Comment by Aaron — May 11, 2007 @ 5:43 am
I never worried about Locke one bit after your brilliant article on why he is the hero. I’m just wondering if it’s setting up for two camps or if one of them will be joining/leading the others. By the way (I don’t want to jinx you) congrats on all the votes you’ve recieved thus far. This site is the best…
Comment by cap10tripps — May 11, 2007 @ 5:43 am
i was thinking hed live but glad its confirmed any idea where prmo pics or jack and locke standing together is season finale are and which ask ausiello is that in any idea.
Comment by steve — May 11, 2007 @ 5:43 am
I’m from Baltimore, Maryland and Terry O’ Quinn (aka John Locke) was just eating dinner 5 miles from my house. Someone asked him if he was going to live and he responded, “maybe I llive, maybe I die.” I thought that was pretty funny of him, if only he knew that if he did die, my life would be over.
Comment by Jason — May 11, 2007 @ 5:47 am
It seems obvious to me that locke will survive …
He seems to have amazing “healing powers” .. case in point … The bite wound from his father “healed” in no time at all during the same episode in which he was shot
Comment by Jim — May 11, 2007 @ 5:47 am
OH DOC! thanks man, for pointing out the obvious!!!
now im wondering of Jack is going to die…
aaww… back to my revision now
Comment by OxfordAngel — May 11, 2007 @ 5:55 am
Lock, can’t die… the show would be nothing without him!
Comment by Victoria — May 11, 2007 @ 6:06 am
and thnx for stealing my kindey theory! bastard! lmaoo ; )
Comment by jimyy — May 11, 2007 @ 6:15 am
Why does everyone like Locke so much?? He’s the most pathetic character on the show, well, except for Kate.
Lets face it, every decision he makes is wrong, he only dominates the lesser characters, like Charlie, and he is completely selfish. Ok, he doesn’t want to leave the island, but why must he ruin the chance of leaving for anyone else? If I were Jack, I would have killed him.
The only thing that will ruin LOST for me is if Locke does turn out to be “The Hero”… That would suck.
Comment by Darth Ben — May 11, 2007 @ 6:26 am
Then do us all a favor and just stop watching now, cause he’s the man. And I hope YOU do turn out to be Jack, so we can watch you die. Lockes going to out live Jack on the show.
Comment by jimyy — May 11, 2007 @ 6:28 am
jimyy, don’t worry. I, for one, will always remember you were the person who gave me that ray of hope for my favorite character when things seemed so grim yesterday morning.
Comment by Sam — May 11, 2007 @ 6:29 am
Well, then i can sleep soundly tonight, knowing that at i at least gave Sam hope. U are welcome, sir.
Comment by jimyy — May 11, 2007 @ 6:31 am
I’m thinking Locke will return in the finale and kill Ben.
Comment by Scott — May 11, 2007 @ 6:43 am
“Not because of the bullet trajectory and the absence of a certain major blood bearing organ”
What? He was shot just below his lungs and either above or in the vicinity of his intestines and stomach….
Anyway this spoilers has been out for awhile Doc and while it may seem comfortable, remember that not only were the spoilers conflicting about who Jack would face off with Sawyer/Locke, but there were foilers released.
Weren’t we supposed to see Candle losing his arm the other night? What about the aerial shots and Dharma Blimp insinuation?
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 11, 2007 @ 6:44 am
Bobby, the bullet would have hit his kidney. the shot was right where the left kindney would have been
http://www.montana.edu/wwwai/imsd/alcohol/Vanessa/vwendocrine_files/image002.jpg
see for urself lol.
Comment by jimyy — May 11, 2007 @ 6:50 am
Here’s two other reasons: 1) It’s not a gut shot, because the Stomach is on the LEFT, and 2) The entry looked just right of center, which means it probably missed the heart and may have passed BETWEEN the heart and Right lung :)))
Comment by JoeLiberty — May 11, 2007 @ 6:51 am
There actually were conflicting reports that the “showdown” was between Jack and Sawyer, not Locke…also, Terry O’Quinn sold his Hawaii home just recently, so that does not bode well for him surviving, since Hawaii is where Lost is filmed.
Comment by Uncle marty — May 11, 2007 @ 6:57 am
dont be so silly John Locke is the best character there is in anything what you said abot locke applies to jack he is stupid and pathtic what does he ever do nothing. John Locke is the only characther that wants answer which is want we want.
Comment by steveuk — May 11, 2007 @ 7:00 am
u mean, just left of center… u have to go by Lockes left, not your right.
Comment by jimyy — May 11, 2007 @ 7:01 am
doesnt mean a thing as he has stated on a thing with kirsten he wanted more “freedom” and “does better living in hotels
Comment by steve — May 11, 2007 @ 7:05 am
to ben i agree i think locke is a completely selfish character he was even willing to blow up a sub to prevent people from leaving just because he didn’t want to, he would make a really crap hero
Comment by nickk — May 11, 2007 @ 7:15 am
Oh i’m sorry, are u one of those people sitting by every week hoping for rescue too? Were u upset with Desmond as well? when he shot his gun, frightening the doves away, Ruining Claires FANTASTIC idea to finally get rescued and end the show? please.
Comment by jimyy — May 11, 2007 @ 7:19 am
i stopped liking locke when i relalized the guys nothing but a coward, seriously who the fck would beat up on a little guy like charley, the guys a fanny he was shit scared of his own dad
Comment by nickk — May 11, 2007 @ 7:20 am
Care to point out ur fav character? so i can tell u why he’ll die and why he sucks? lol
Comment by jimyy — May 11, 2007 @ 7:24 am
Ok, here’s my theory on the Ben, Jacob and 815er’s relationship.
Ben is special, Richard was very interested in Ben when he found out he could see his dead mother on the island. But Ben has abused his power by isolating Jacob from the others and taking them off the island path.
Jacobs
Comment by Chris — May 11, 2007 @ 7:26 am
Wait till the Locke fans read ur Disgraceful comment. =D
Comment by jimyy — May 11, 2007 @ 7:27 am
jimmy you’re a psycho no i never said any of that now did i said why lockes selfish thats all i said you can see for yourself read my comment
Comment by nickk — May 11, 2007 @ 7:30 am
and jimmy why would people stop watching lost because they are not a fan of locke its not called “locke” its called lost, if you don’t like jack then why don’t you stop watching, this isn’t real life its entertainment you’re really highly strung
Comment by nickk — May 11, 2007 @ 7:33 am
Well, I’m not going to have to stop watching cause of Jack, he’ll be dead soon enough, lol. im very relaxed, i just like breakin balls.
Comment by jimyy — May 11, 2007 @ 7:40 am
i bet the smoke monster will finish what it intended to do when it grabbed around the ankle in season ones finale. he will live.
Comment by solomonk9 — May 11, 2007 @ 7:40 am
I originally posted this under the Locke/Ben connection thread, but i think this idea holds some weight, and posting here on a newer thread might get it seen by a few more eyes. That being said:
What’s up… first time poster, long time reader.
Something to consider: you’ll notice that there have been a few spiritual journeys on this island (especially with Locke and those that surround him) that are of the psychedelic sort. Remember Boone’s trip after the grey paste was applied to his head wound, and also Locke’s sweat lodge trip which came about from the same grey paste.
What if the ring of powder around Jacob’s cabin was the same paste (Locke got it on his fingers and took a nice big whiff of it before entering the cabin)? What if the whole experience was hallucinated? This would explain why the fire from the lamp disappeared and would also explain why the lamp wasn’t broken. It would also explain why after Locke saw the building shake, and heard and saw Jacob he still didn’t believe it was real (given his experience with the substance).
You’ll also remember too, that after Boone’s trip on the drug, Locke was only focused on what the island had showed him after the trip. This lends to Ben questioning Locke so adamantly about what Jacob said to Locke (Jacob=The Island).
Ben has a tenuous hold on his camp and saw that Locke would be taking over soon. The whole Jacob trip was designed to get Lockes insight into the island, and of course set him up for the kill… or at least a wounding. Ben may still be trying to teach Locke a lesson. Ben saying ‘Let’s see if Jacob helps you now’ was said in a very sarcastic way… as if Ben knows that a man named Jacob is just a construct. Ben shooting Locke was a way for him to show him that he was not to be trifled with, and instead of Locke trying to learn more or take over… maybe he should just follow Ben.
This comment may just get buried in this article so I’m going to post it in a few other spots.
Now, much like Coffee Talk, I invite you to discuss.
Comment by Albert — May 11, 2007 @ 7:45 am
The paste as u call it, didnt seem grey at all to me. Seemed more of a orange yellowish crushed up liquid like friut.
Comment by jimyy — May 11, 2007 @ 7:50 am
Just watched all of season one this last weekend. The paste used on Boone was grey. I don’t remember the color of the paste for the sweat lodge, but I figure it was the same stuff.
First season though… definately grey.
Comment by Albert — May 11, 2007 @ 7:54 am
I don’t know why some people have to be attacked just because they voice an opinion here. So what if the guy doesn’t like Locke?
I, for one, like the Locke character, but think he is no hero at all. That’s just my opinion and I’m entitled to it. Just like other people are entitled to pontificate about time warping, smoke monsters, and Locke is Hero stuff…..
Get a grip, just because someone posts 100 times here or watches episodes 5x in a row or theorizes endlessly about what Ben is thinking….doesn’t make them better than the rest of us, who are also fans of the show by the way and help support it by watching it.
Rant over
Comment by bjorn — May 11, 2007 @ 8:02 am
We’re not ranting, we’re breaking balls and its a friendly debate. He has the right to bash locke all he wants, and i have the right to bash him for bashing locke lol we’re relaxed, its all fun and games here.
Comment by jimyy — May 11, 2007 @ 8:07 am
so who is your fav character
Comment by steve — May 11, 2007 @ 8:09 am
It definitely was grey paste.
Do you think Ben shot him simply to see if he WOULD live?
Do you think that Ben shot him specifically where his kidney was removed? Or do you think he simply shot him right away without caring where he shot Locke?
Maybe Ben wants to see if Jacob WILL save him.
Comment by Megan B — May 11, 2007 @ 8:10 am
Do you think that Ben shot him specifically where his kidney was removed? - yes
Maybe Ben wants to see if Jacob WILL save him. - and yes
I posed the same thing awhile back Meg, so i completely agree with ya, Ben points out that Lockes father stole his kidney so he knew all about it. If he wanted Locke dead, he could have either A.) did it right the 1st time and shot him in the head. or B.) simply shot him again after locke answered his question. He wants to see if Jacob really believes in locke.
Comment by jimyy — May 11, 2007 @ 8:12 am
Look, when Locke was first shot, it did look to be in his lower right… below the stomach.. on the lower left hand side, but when he fell in the pit on his back, it appears much higher. It all depends on where you look.
Comment by tom — May 11, 2007 @ 8:14 am
Michael Emerson Interview on CW11 Morning News gives away he gave something away years ago that may help Locke live.
Comment by steve — May 11, 2007 @ 8:24 am
What? Could u quote him for me Steve? cause i dont understand.
Comment by jimyy — May 11, 2007 @ 8:26 am
jimy here you go a quote from the interview Michael Emerson: He has a preexisting medical condition that is in his favour. He gave up something long ago that might help him. Its over at lost spoilers if wanna watch the interview
Comment by steve — May 11, 2007 @ 8:29 am
lmaooo — Oh and as for a weaker Charlie (the heroin addict) getting his ass kicked by Locke; he stole a Baby, whats weaker then that? lmao. And even Charlie agrees with me…
great great shit. well said! poor Charlie my ass…
Comment by jimyy — May 11, 2007 @ 8:29 am
thnx Steven, ill look into nice, good find!!!!
Comment by jimyy — May 11, 2007 @ 8:30 am
The kidney removal….Locke lives
Comment by El Prez — May 11, 2007 @ 8:31 am
oh… DUH! i thought he meant Ben gives away something that might help locke… nevermind. lol
Comment by jimyy — May 11, 2007 @ 8:33 am
yea thats what means becaus ethe interviewer is asking him does locke live and he says He has a preexisting medical condition that is in his favour. He gave up something long ago that might help him.
so the Conclusion is:
Locke is survives. He got shot where his kidney was. Done.
Comment by steve — May 11, 2007 @ 8:36 am
Yea, Buck and i figured that one out right after he got shot. lol
Comment by jimyy — May 11, 2007 @ 8:38 am
I thought that too but this seems to confirm that for those worrying Locke doesnt survive and is dead
Comment by steve — May 11, 2007 @ 8:39 am
True, true.. i agree, but if anyone really thought Locke was going to die, then they need to turn in their faith cards.
Comment by jimyy — May 11, 2007 @ 8:42 am
True True as lost just wouldnt be the same without him
Comment by steve — May 11, 2007 @ 8:44 am
I totally agree BucK
Comment by steve — May 11, 2007 @ 8:45 am
How about when Locke beat the shit outta Patchy, then belittled Ben infront of all his people, then demanded Ben to take him to Jacob… It’s no wonder he couldn’t walk, he’s got the biggest set of balls on the island.
Comment by jimyy — May 11, 2007 @ 8:54 am
Has anyone thought that since the finale is a Jack-centric ep, the Locke we’ll be seeing is in Jack’s flashback? I guarantee they had a conflict about that submarine! I worry that the fight is all in that lost 10 days of Jack, not “current day” island time.
Comment by Locke gal — May 11, 2007 @ 9:12 am
jacks the man
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Comment by roger — May 11, 2007 @ 9:19 am
Another reason not to fear Locke’s death is that every time on this show when a character has been killed its been immediately obvious that they are dead (Okay, Mikhail might be the one exception to that rule). But Locke was still sucking wind when Ben walked away (which make’s Ben doubly stupid. Why not just plug him a couple of times if you really want him dead?)
Locke won’t die. Now, whether it is Jacob that will help him I don’t know.
Comment by Chris Andersen — May 11, 2007 @ 9:19 am
I read that same quote from the producer. I wish he would not have given it away because it would have made the ending of the episode a bit more foreboding. if that’s the right word.
Comment by Ivan — May 11, 2007 @ 9:24 am
Conviniently no one of the Others is mad at Locke because que blew up the submarine. Which was, by the way, the only way to leave the island. We need some explanations on that subject.
Comment by sebastian81 — May 11, 2007 @ 9:27 am
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Locke very well maybe have been immaculately conceived.
Comment by jimyy — May 11, 2007 @ 9:31 am
jack vincent sayid
Comment by yoyo — May 11, 2007 @ 9:33 am
I live in Baltimore also! What restaurant? I will track Locke like Locke tracks…others.
Comment by Greg — May 11, 2007 @ 9:41 am
Well said, couldn’t agree more, fits in with Doc’s “Hero” theory very nicely too.
Comment by jimyy — May 11, 2007 @ 9:42 am
Really???? It seems to me that Locke is a catalyst for just about every major event that has happened so far.
Comment by GMoney — May 11, 2007 @ 9:49 am
Why were the gas cans able to kill Dharma but only knock out Kate, Jack and Sayid?
Comment by Merlin — May 11, 2007 @ 9:51 am
It’s a different kind of gas.
Comment by GMoney — May 11, 2007 @ 10:09 am
Nerve Gas > Sleeping Gas
Comment by chiahatesyou — May 11, 2007 @ 10:34 am
does anyone wonder when the tsunami is coming? 815 crashed sept 04. 90 days on the island? shouldn’t it, if going by real world happenings, be time for the tsunami of dec 2004. ben confirmed the timeline to jack - bush i wonder if they’re gonna use it or not…
also - look at the computer enhanced pics of jacob - does nobody else think he’s a dead ringer for DENNIS HOPPER????
Comment by chral — May 11, 2007 @ 10:35 am
I agree Locke’s not going to die…but regarding Locke and the “hero” theory…wrong wrong wrong. He’s not the hero of the story…Jack is. Locke’s the bad guy. Jack is the white, Locke is the black. Jack tries to help everyone, Locke is only concerned with himself and his own journey. Locke will do whatever it takes, kill, manipulate, just to see his own selfish ends. Sure he has good motivation: now he can walk, he had a screwed up childhood, bad dad, etc. But you know what, other people as we have seen have screwed up pasts too. It’s no excuse. Right from the start they have set up Jack and Locke as opposed characters (S2 finale, Jack to Kate: “we have to keep an eye on him”. S1, Ep2 introduced our hero Jack; the next episode introduced his antagonist, Locke.)
Comment by socalj — May 11, 2007 @ 10:48 am
jack is not selfish socal???? Dont i recall jack going to leave the island and everyone else behind -that seems pretty selfish to me. and in the last episode-he told the survivors -”He Decided what they were going to do” —i mean come on, jack is a flawed hero if he is one
Comment by kb — May 11, 2007 @ 10:52 am
Did it occur to anyone that there doesn’t need to be a hero on the show? Just like the rest of us, the Losties are all people; they all have their foibles and being forced to live together in a volatile situation will bring them to the forefront. Remember, most of us are fortunate enough to choose where we live and who we live with. No such luxury on the island. Then throw a mysterious group of people who live on the island into the mix–people who could help but would rather torment the survivors simply because of what *they* deem good and bad behavior–well I don’t think anyone’s best behavior will be shining forth. Stress does not breed happiness.
And that’s one of the things I like about the show. There are no heroes, just people. Each is flawed, yet each is redeemable.
Comment by Jenny — May 11, 2007 @ 10:56 am
niiiiiceee… couldnt agree more with u KB!!!!
Comment by jimyy — May 11, 2007 @ 10:57 am
lo,lockes not hard he only takes on people who he knows are weaker than him, he never said boo to echo, sawyer or jack did he, and all the stuff about charley, we know the poor guy was hallucinating, what its ok for locke to let people die over his visions but charley has a flip out and he’s the villian yeah right, he’s a hypocrite to match
Comment by nickk — May 11, 2007 @ 11:09 am
i’m not a jack fan but the guy always does things in the interest ofothers, when he was going to leave on the sub, that wasn’t for him it was in hopes of getting everyone else rescued and now we know he’s planning an attack on the others, don’t like all the leader or hero crap but i do think if there is someone to call a hero its most likely jack, that or someone we haven’t expected before, what has locke done for anyone else, he even got sawyer to kill his dad for him
Comment by nickk — May 11, 2007 @ 11:14 am
I don’t think that he will die…. Locke’s too smart to trust Ben like that. Maybe he knows of some berrys that give the same effect in appearance as blood… or maybe an animal heart or other kind of organ (Being Protected by maybe some kind of bullet proof vest of course)
Comment by drloboto — May 11, 2007 @ 11:29 am
Thank you for saying that, you are absolutely right. Lost is Locke just as much as Locke is lost.
Comment by jerdrew — May 11, 2007 @ 11:39 am
Personally, I hate Locke and I think he’s a coward. I’d love to see his character gone.
Comment by Banta — May 11, 2007 @ 11:39 am
Jack would probably be dead back in season one when he was chasing his dad and fell off a cliff… Who’s hand was there reaching out to save him? Locke, who convinced Jack that flight 815 needs a leader? Locke.. Who got charlie off the H-Train? Locke. Jack is too blind to see the islands secrects, to focused on science. Besides, Jack was supposed to die in the pilot.
Comment by jimyy — May 11, 2007 @ 11:46 am
Couldn’t of put it better myself.
Comment by jimyy — May 11, 2007 @ 11:47 am
yea, just look at how he beat the life outta Patchy… he looked very cowardly there.
Comment by jimyy — May 11, 2007 @ 11:50 am
To Socalj, Jakck is a self righteous self centered bastard. He does nothing for anyone else but himself. Jack is nothing more than a man caught up in trying to be somehting he will never be, because he can’t love himself. Locke, however did help charlie get off heroine, did help shannon start her new life on the island, did help michael with his relationship with walt, he did build a crib for claires baby,he got boone to let go of his issues with shannon, and even though it is totally on the table for debate, he did give sawyer the oppurtunity to kill sawyer (he never did put a gun to his head either leaving sawyer the choice) What is one thing Jack did that he didnt do before looking deep into the black empty hole of jack and say this might fill it temporarily. Ultimately, Jack Shephard is just as lost as flock with nothing more than a medical bag and degree to separate him. Oh and a superiority complex.
Comment by Jerdrew + La Mer — May 11, 2007 @ 12:01 pm
Thannk you, Sir. At least some people can see who Jack really is… this is a great point to
(he never did put a gun to his head either leaving sawyer the choice)—nicccee… so there u go, locke didnt make Sawyer do anything. nicely put.
Comment by jimyy — May 11, 2007 @ 12:04 pm
Locke is not dead.
There’s a whole area to do with script-writing as yet unexplored in this thread - though BucK has touched upon it with references to comic strip.
Shannon in Sayid’s arms - the images clearly tell us - is dead and we know it at once (even though some followers of the programme would happily examine the position of the wound from every angle and come to all manner of dead/dying/alive/expect a full recovery conclusions).
Or take the Nikki/Paulo demise. End the episode with her eyes opening as the first shovel of sand falls on her and we are left in doubt. There is the possibility of escape. “Come back next week, folks,” the writers would be saying, “and the lovers will leap out just in time.” But no, we saw the burial completed. This was a Romeo & Juliet finale, not a Batman.
If Locke was to die, the writers would have ensured that the viewers knew he was dead. They leave us in doubt deliberately. His being shot by Ben is all about dramatic tension. It’s nothing more than leaving us wanting more. I expect the episode next week (or the week after) to include a short sequence with Locke being ‘rescued’ (probably mysteriously), as the writers know the viewer needs that particular snippet of plot resolved pretty darn soon.
Had to take my hat off to the guys again, mind you, when they had Locke falling from a height on to his back. Seem to remember him doing something similar before. Perhaps he is Superman after all!
But, are we talking Siegel and Shuster here, or Nietzsche?
As a great writer once said, there are always more questions than aspirins*.
(*I’m not sure if aspirins are universally known - it may be just a British thing - but they’re like paracetomol tablets: pain-killers)
Comment by Marcus — May 11, 2007 @ 12:09 pm
WOW! I always have to watch a day late because of class. But damn that was a good episode. First of all, Ben grew up to be quite a bitter piss, didn’t he. And when he recognized John as a threat to his power, got all shaky scared. I loved that Locke called him out on that and that Sawyer called Jack out on just sliding into his leader role and asking questions while he traipses around with Juliet. At various times I have wanted to slap both Locke and Jack for thinking they know best. Like all leaders, they suffer from occasional bouts of arrogance mistaken as confidence. It happens. Last night, Jack needed a good smack. And I loved that Locke kicked the crap out of Patchy and made Ben do what he asked. Also, notice that no one stopped him even when Ben asked them to. The Others are losing faith in Ben and he knows it.
What I find interesting is that Richard met Ben when he was grown and Ben an adolescent and now Ben looks older than he. Does Richard have some anti-aging powers courtesy of the island? Also, I must get some slow-mo shots of Jacob because that all happened trippy fast and it was late so I missed getting a good look.
Finally, how could super tracker Locke let Ben get the drop on him and snatch his gun - the gun his “daughter” gave Locke on Ben’s birthday. or did Ben steal it in the Jacob ruse? That seems more likely. Create a poltergeist to shake up the Lockster and steal his gun for killing him later.
More and more I want Ben to get a boot to the head. Swiftly. And I want Locke to do it. But afterwards, I think Sawyer and Kate deserve a swing at him for being el-creepo guy.
I think Ben grew up feeling awkward and with low-self-esteem courtesy of his dad and after he met Richard starting uncovering his powers on island and now to feel good he has to feel like he’s special or has one over on the rest of the group. If he doesn’t feel in charge he feels insignificant. Someone stomp on him…. please.
Also, the whole bit about him killing his own dad makes clearer why he felt it necessary for Locke to kill his father as proof of something. But it’s a screwed up kind of specialness if that’s what it takes to be in that club.
All in all I liked the episode and find it interesting that the natives killed Dharma. I still want to know about Jacob - who or what he is thought it does explain why Ben’s so kooky. That was a trippy bit of business.
As for Jack - his crap about “we didn’t tell you because I - (notice I) hadn’t decided what to do about it yet.” WTF!!! So it’s OK for him to keep secrets but he gets mad when the other Losties didn’t speak about Naomi? Please. Big fat hypocrite. It’s not like the Others were coming to kidnap him - tell the people in danger for pete’s sake. You’re not king of the island Jackie Boy!! this was one of those arrogance over confidence moments for him. Sun should have walked up and slapped him like she did Sawyer. They want her baby ya moron.
I think the others should exile Jack and Juliet and let them play with ole Smokey. I like Juliet’s development and the mystery with her - but still if I were a Lostie I’d be ready to slap her infiltrating butt.
Ok, must get back to work - so rarely visit these discussions I guess I had more to say than I planned.
Oops.
Comment by Karma — May 11, 2007 @ 12:12 pm
Jacks Intrests are for Jack intrests not everyone elses like as soon as juliet tolf him what ben sent her to do why does he get to decide what to do about it. If it wasnt for Locke this show would be boring who else exporles the island and wants answers which is want we want ill tell you who no one.
The others aka Jack Kate Charlie Sayid etc are just happy to sit by and see what comes along they dont go exploring for answers which what us the viewers want thats what a man called John Locke Does.
Comment by steve — May 11, 2007 @ 12:25 pm
As for Jack - his crap about “we didn’t tell you because I - (notice I) hadn’t decided what to do about it yet.” WTF!!! So it’s OK for him to keep secrets but he gets mad when the other Losties didn’t speak about Naomi? Please. Big fat hypocrite. It’s not like the Others were coming to kidnap him - tell the people in danger for pete’s sake. You’re not king of the island Jackie Boy!! this was one of those arrogance over confidence moments for him. Sun should have walked up and slapped him like she did Sawyer. They want her baby ya moron.
awsummmm
Comment by jimyy — May 11, 2007 @ 12:26 pm
“Ben shot Locke. The reason seems self-explanatory: In order to preserve everything that gives his life meaning, Ben needed to put down the threat that Locke embodied: being replaced, becoming obsolete. You saw it in his eyes when he heard what Jacob had said to Locke. It was the look of a man who had just been told that his idealized father
Comment by jimyy — May 11, 2007 @ 12:55 pm
Anyone else notice that Richard seems to do Ben’s bidding, even though it seems that he’s been on the island longer…and that Richard very much seems to be able to make wishes come true? I wrote up thoughts on my blog with evidence that Richard might be some kind of genie for Ben and possibly others on the island.
Comment by Greg — May 11, 2007 @ 1:00 pm
Also, I think Alex gave Locke the gun because everyone else who’s gone with Ben to see Jacob doesn’t come back, and Ben tells everyone that Jacob killed them. So Alex gives Locke the gun as protection.
Comment by Greg — May 11, 2007 @ 1:03 pm
Oh, but it’s always Ben who kills them. So Ben has Jacob imprisoned and therefore Richard has to act as his genie…granting him wishes…until someone comes along and “helps him.”
Comment by greg — May 11, 2007 @ 1:05 pm
On the Ben/Richard relationship and how it might have changed (”everything changes”) during the years of Ben’s ‘patience’ leading up to the ‘purge’… I can’t help but thinking that the date of the Hostiles’ gas-poisoning-based take-over bid for the luxury camp-site that became Othersville is significant: Ben’s birthday, of course.
Presumably, Richard knew this. Did Ben actually choose it? Has his influence within the Hostiles already grown significantly, even though he is not only younger, but also not living among them? Was that particular date chosen as a kind of Renaissance day?
Birth often vies with Death at the core of the themes of this work. The future remains, er… preganant with possibilities.
Comment by Marcus — May 11, 2007 @ 1:31 pm
Who is this jimyy idiot? He obviously has no life since he can sit on a website posting annoying comments all day long. I wish there was a ignore feature to handle losers like this. sigh..
Comment by jimyy's mom — May 11, 2007 @ 3:14 pm
Who is this jimyy idiot? He obviously has no life since he can sit on a website posting annoying comments all day long. I wish there was a ignore feature to handle losers like this. sigh..
Comment by jimyy's mom — May 11, 2007 @ 3:14 pm
Dark ufo has just released that Charlie Tom and another other are the three that die and two other woman die also
Comment by DMS — May 11, 2007 @ 3:50 pm
I for one, like all the characters….well, except Ben, although he’s a great actor. I think they are all significant, although jack get’s on my nerves, but is obviously Hot, and Kate has been hitting a neve too, but i’m all for the chick’s rule thing, lol. I am so happy to know Locke will probably not die, I love LOCKE!!
Comment by ilovelocke AKA LiLi — May 11, 2007 @ 4:14 pm
Don’t believe DMS it isn’t true i’ve seen who dies,though jack doesn’t so jimvy you’ve gotta stop watching now!
Comment by nickk — May 11, 2007 @ 4:15 pm
steve i agree locke is the only one who ants to find answers god knows why no one else does,i’d of scoured the whole island by now,he’s still no hero though none of them are i just think if anyone comes close its jack
Comment by nickk — May 11, 2007 @ 4:18 pm
jimvy i think you’ve got me confused with a jack lover,lo i’m just not a locke lover and i don’t think the guy is in the slight a hero,as for patchy the guy was already messed up he’s already been fried hit by jin and then taken cowardly of guard by locke
Comment by nickk — May 11, 2007 @ 4:22 pm
BTW does anyone else think that maybe Alex knew, or had an idea what Ben might do? because she came ob=ver gave Locke the gub telling him ” you’ll need this” and Ben had a shocked look…also, we all know she has daddy issues with Ben.
Comment by LiLi AKA ilovelocke — May 11, 2007 @ 4:23 pm
OOOh, you have info? Can you tell me the web site so i can see too, i like being spoiled
Comment by LiLi — May 11, 2007 @ 4:25 pm
Watch the finale. Jack has secrets!
Comment by H20 — May 11, 2007 @ 4:27 pm
yeah its on dark ufo, though i wouldn’t look unless you really wonna be spoiled, two we don’t know of though!
Comment by nickk — May 11, 2007 @ 4:30 pm
i agree that there is no singular hero on this show. Every episode attempts to revolve around a single protagonist with some continuing storylines of other characters zooming around… Locke is an interesting character but to think that he’s the most important character is ridiculous. Locke almost killed everyone on the island/perhaps the world with the whole trying not to type in the numbers thing. Only thanks to DESMOND’s “sacrifice” was everyone fine.
plus, Locke pushed patchy into the line of the sonar. He tried to kill an unarmed hands-tied man, just to see if the fence was on.
Locke is extremely selfish and wants to prove to himself that he’s special. At least Jack would have tried to find the island if he made it back to the rest of the world. Locke is fine with Ben’s line of thought- keep everyone on island.
Trying to fit lost into a epic single hero formula is beyond silly. The show tries so hard to not fit inside the confines of typical storytelling that trying to pin everything to one character seems wrong. This is not the story of John Locke. It is the story of the survivors of 815 (and everyone they come in contact with).
Every character has flaws. The true heroes tend to work on those flaws.
Locke and Jack are different sides to the same coin.
I think Kate will die. (hope)
and i bet that Tom will die. which i have to say i am somewhat less psyched about. damn, i wrote another crazy long entry. sorry.
Comment by hurleybird — May 11, 2007 @ 5:02 pm
It is posted on dark ufo that those characters die and how could you have posibly seen who dies already?
Comment by DMS — May 11, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Jacob
Forgive me if this has already been talked about…
I was watching the first video on this link, a slowed down version of Jacob.
There seems to be a flash (ala smokie) on Ben after he is thrown to the door. Does this give any hint that Jacob = Smokie??
Comment by Abraham — May 11, 2007 @ 5:55 pm
Reply to Darth Ben: How do you know that he is preventing people from leaving? We have yet to see anyone leave the island except Richard. By blowing up the flame, exploding the submarine that we have never seen submerged, and destroying the swan station, he may have finally broken the grip of the others on the island. His actions may have actually guaranteed their rescue.
Reply to Greg: There may be evidence to that hypothesis. In the ditch of bodies, one body had a gun shot would through the skull. My question still is why would Ben not finish him? Who is he testing: Locke, Jacob or himself?
Comment by TabulaRasa — May 11, 2007 @ 8:53 pm
DOC! ABC HAS A SCENE AVAILABLE FROM “GREATEST HITS!”
It’s pretty long… but if you watch it, you’ll see that Jack and Juliet have convinced others to follow them.. and explain themselves.
Comment by tom — May 11, 2007 @ 9:03 pm
If you think about it, the answer for not being able to see Jacob, and Richard dressed in old rags, and all the mysteries of the island are right in front of our faces.
Just look at Ben as a child
HE IS HARRY POTTER!!
Comment by Shano — May 11, 2007 @ 11:55 pm
Please someone explain to me how Ben managed to have a flashback to before when he was born??!
The pre-episode notes did cast into doubt that the flashbacks we saw were actually Ben’s…and by the fact that we see Ben’s birth, the flashback could not have been Bens.
I think we have missed out on something big here…but I don’t know what it tells us…
Comment by artemisia — May 12, 2007 @ 3:23 am
That is an excellent point actually! Maybe the flash back was Roger “Workman’s” and then it switches to Ben later on?
Maybe they were being spied on by the Dharma Initiative? But then again, it probably wouldn’t be their flashback… … or would it?
Comment by Megan B — May 12, 2007 @ 3:46 am
Where do I vote for Darlton as “best podcasters on the planet”?
Comment by Ezra James Sharkelton — May 12, 2007 @ 4:21 am
The season showdown between Jack and Locke may also be a flashback just after he blow up the sub
Comment by Mick — May 12, 2007 @ 9:53 am
Also, someone was sitting in the chair,
red shirt, long hair, beard looked old to
Comment by mick — May 12, 2007 @ 10:07 am
I know this is more or less irrelevant to this thread, and that it has probably already been discussed elsewhere, (either that, or it was so blindingly obvious to everyone else that it wasn’t considered worth discussing in the first place), but did anyone notice that Ben hesitates to remove his mask at the end of the episode, even though he has already seen Richard remove his?
Might this be because Ben suspects that Richard is immune to the effects of the gas? If so, does the fact that Ben doesn’t immediately keel over and die mean that the gas has cleared, or that he has finally completed his apprenticeship and become ‘one of them’, and has therefore inherited (somehow) whatever powers they possess?
There are a couple of things wrong with this: firstly, it is clear that Richard is already taking orders from Ben at this point, which suggests that Ben became ‘one of them’ much earlier; secondly, if they are immune to the effects of the gas, why would they be wearing masks in the first place?
Nevertheless, there is definitely some significance to Ben’s hesitation in this scene. Alternative theories, anyone?
Comment by Clovis Sangrail — May 12, 2007 @ 10:35 am
I’ve just looked at it again, and now it looks to me as though Ben removes his mask only after he sees someone other than Richard do so.
Again, sorry if this has already been discussed.
Comment by Clovis Sangrail — May 12, 2007 @ 10:45 am
I have also thought that Ben may be testing Locke in some way. I find it hard to believe that Ben wanted him dead if he shot him once - in the torso no less. And it’s not like he shot him and then had some remorseful “omg what did I do” attitude about it. Ben seemed ok with his decision.
Comment by Clark — May 12, 2007 @ 11:33 am
Figure in where Locke was shot(where he has no kidney), and his amazing ability to HEAL on this island, he now walks when he could’nt before and the rather fast healing of the bite he received from his father, it all adds up to Locke surviving.
Comment by PPalmer — May 12, 2007 @ 11:52 am
Does anybody think that Ben’s dad is “Jacob” in the black-smoke form? I think that the black smoke takes form of people and it only applies to the people that it wants to see it.
I think that Ben caught one form of the black smoke using the volcanic ash as some kind of ring to keep it within a boundry. When Ben found out that Locke heard “Jacob”, he found out that Locke can see it too, which doesn’t happen unless somebody is really “special”. “Jacob” is the only thing keeping Ben in power and he realized Locke has become a threat to his power. So he shot him.
I also think that Kharma will come into play and I say that Alex ends up killing Ben.
Comment by Eric — May 12, 2007 @ 2:22 pm
It doesn’t matter where he was shot, major organ or not, IT’S LOCKE! He’ll survive anything!
The man had a spinal cord injury to begin with!
Also a part of me is saying, maybe the future/alternative universe Locke (ie. Jacob)is the one to be part of this long anticipated showdown.
I don’t know how it would be possible if the present is dead, the future one exist. But it’s possible, it’s LOST.
Comment by Bon — May 12, 2007 @ 3:55 pm
Right on. They aren’t going to kill Locke. He’s the hero.
Comment by docarzt — May 12, 2007 @ 5:04 pm
I think Jacob looks like a grizzled old Sawyer if anyone…
Comment by Liam Stephens — May 13, 2007 @ 1:14 pm
hey… never really read these, first time here tho and found myself hooked.
just a theory on the powdery stuff locke was checking out before they got to jacob’s cabin… looked a bit like ash to me. ? maybe its there from when jacob casts off his ol’smokey costume? he gets around the island, forming himself into whatever folk are “emotionally involved in” to manipulate (emotionally, or physically like killing eko)
also, was it ben that came outta the cabin, or jacob taking ben’s shape? i almost expected the episode to end with a shot of ben dead on the floor of jacob’s cabin…but then he went and shot locke and spoilt that theory. oh well. woulda been cool tho, locke tramping back the others thinking he’s with ben, but not…. i liked the ending as is tho. but he’s not dead. not yet at least…
Comment by Riino — May 13, 2007 @ 10:38 pm
I totally agree. There is a whole show called Heroes if people need one that bad. This is just a group of people trying to survive on the most whacked out island EVER.
Really, in my opinion, I have loved and hated pretty much all the characters at some point. I used to love Kate and now she is annoying the crap out of me. I used to be totally irritated with Sawyer, now I love him. I used to love Jack and now he totally bugs me and I go back and forth several times a show on Juliette. They all have their good and bad points. JUST LIKE REAL PEOPLE!! That’s what makes this show awesome!! None of them are all good or all bad. Although, I think there is something to this “crappy dad” thread running through the show. I can’t think of one character who didn’t have “father issues.” It’s like reverse-Disney.
Comment by kgoodl — May 14, 2007 @ 10:45 am
of course Locke lives…he’s going to be the new leader of the others. duh.
Comment by boombalonga — May 14, 2007 @ 12:55 pm
Fuck the finale! Several people have leaked the snake in the mail box, whether you want it or not here it is…
Everybody is getting ready to leave with the members of naomi’s team… some actually make it off the island.. and jack fucking KILLS them! He rigged one of the rescue boats to explode and it sinks the freighter. Then he has a flashback and you see that he killed Sarah, her boyfriend, and his father! He’s a nutjob! AND there is a control room for smokey, they can’t control it but they can watch what it reads from peoples minds….
Comment by fuckthefinale — May 14, 2007 @ 4:34 pm
While Locke may not die, it won’t be because of a bullet wound to a missing kidney. From the look of the wound entry, the slug could have easily hit the spleen, which is a MAJOR blood-bearing organ neatly tucked under the far left side of the stomach and somewhat over the kidney! Ol’ JL will be a goner for sure if that blood bag is splattered!
Comment by Apollobar — May 14, 2007 @ 8:50 pm
Regardless of whether or not fuckthefinale’s claims are true, Locke will survive. In fact, if anything fuckthefinale’s claims eliminate Jack as the hero (though they perhaps help set up the showdown between Jack and Locke). Locke will survive, because he’s the hero of the show.
That said, I have little respect for people presenting spoilers (or false spoilers) in non-spoiler sections of LOST-related websites.
If you have legitimate spoilers, keep them to yourself or confine them to the spoiler sections of websites. Don’t spam them all over the web.
Comment by Lance — May 14, 2007 @ 10:36 pm
i am thinking and slate this all you like.. that the finale will be a locke return to the beach and naomi’s people will arrive and start a fight and will shoot jack and there will be no doctors there to save him.. GAME OVER for jack im thinkin!
Comment by LostLegend — May 15, 2007 @ 2:01 am
Obviously Ben shot locke because he heard/saw Jacob, this indicates to Ben that locke is “special”, with locke returning to the others camp, he would reveal to them he heard and saw Jacob, which would make them respect him more than ben, and end his failing leadership, for this reason he took locke on a detour and shot his mid section to ensure he remains leader!
Comment by Bromage — May 16, 2007 @ 4:38 am
I also saw John Locke (Terry O’Quinn) around this time last year at Preakness. I bet he’s in town again this year for it.
Comment by Laundro — May 16, 2007 @ 8:30 pm
I don’t get it. How is it long anticipated?
Locke and Jack have /never/ been at each other’s throats. There’s no reason for Locke to attack Jack or vice-versa.
Comment by jake3988 — May 17, 2007 @ 1:14 pm
I just hope there is a good explanation for how Locke lives, if he does.
I agree that he’s an interesting character, but no hero. Considering that he knew what a ^$@$!!!! his dad was and that he tried to kill Locke, I would have expected Locke to retrieve his kidney at the first opportunity.
I think Charlie dying would be a bummer. Charlie is the ‘most reformed’ character, and wasn’t so bad to begin with. That he would knowingly go to his death for the rest of the survivors is way heroic, and while he deserves a thrashing(at least) for what he did to Sun, he’s one of the better good guys.
As long as they don’t kill Kate or Sayid, and Locke’s survival is explained, I think I can give the second half of season three a thumbs up.
Comment by steveo — May 18, 2007 @ 3:52 am
LOCKE will never die, I’m guessing that he will end up being ONE of the FEW heroes on Lost to make it to the very end. Keep in mind, there is NO ONE HERO, never has been, they’ve all done their part in different ways. But I think we could stand to see the loss of Claire (even though she won’t because she was “meant to raise Aaron” as the psychic told her even though the psychic claims hes a fake I don’t buy it)
ROSE and BERNARD are about the most expendable at this point so….out they go I’m sure.
JACK may very well see his end in the finale. They ALWAYS focus on the people who are going to die soon. But the creators I’m sure have caught onto us knowing that and thats why the last episode was Charlie-centric to fool us into thinking he was going to die then. No more Jack would be a blessing for the island, not because hes a bad character, but because it would totally make EVERYTHING break down with the 815ers. What would everyone do without Jack??? Exactly….I think it would be pretty cool to see everyone freaking out without their big leader Jizzack. But it would also be cool to see Jack as the 815 leader against Locke the Other leader.
LOCKE getting shot in the same spot where his missing kidney should be is NOT NOT NOT a coincidence. C’mon people, its Lost, haven’t you all picked up on these things yet?? EVERYTHING HAPPENS FOR A REASON.
CHARLIE might not die, we have to remember that all we have to go on that Charlie WILL die soon is what Desmond says. Maybe Desmond was sending Charlie down there to keep him from what was REALLY supposed to kill him on the island. But who knows, Charlie dying in the new hatch would be pretty dramatic and all over satisfying since he will be helping everyone else with his passing.
KATE needs to shut the F up and settle the F down. She is really starting to get on my nerves personally. EXAMPLE: “Where did they go?” (referring to Jack and Juliette) Kate the bitch says “I don’t know Sayid” like a bitch. I think shes setting herself up for a much needed slow emotional death. And Sawyer would flip balls if she died and I think that would be pretty cool to see Sawyer in “rage mode”.
SAWYER will not die anytime soon, we need him, hes not done yet
SAYID is waaaay cool and can still provide a lot to everyone.
DESMOND could go but I really hope he doesn’t. Desmond could really go places with his knowledge of the future and all.
SUN will be dead soon so we don’t need to debate THAT
JIN still needs to learn English and he can totally kick Other ass as demonstrated on Patchy so he’s not going anywhere for a while.
now HURLEY….hmmm….I hate to say this but….I’m afraid Hurley might be dead very soon. He won’t be able to handle all of the upcoming action with the Others. He might very well get caught in the crossfire. And just think how much drama we would get if say perhaps that Hurley were to get killed accidentally or something??? Or even better if the Others killed Hurley?? Everyone would FLIP, everybody loves Hurley. But I’m sure he’ll hold on at least until we know what the numbers are all about.
In conclusion I think the survivors that will make it FAR into the show are:
Jack-Sayid-Sawyer-Desmond-Jin-and YES Locke
and probably regretfully Kate since it would be a sausage fest without her
Comment by B*Locke — May 22, 2007 @ 3:28 am
Oh no….maybe the island/the monster is manipulating Desmond by giving him these visions….?
Comment by B*Locke — May 22, 2007 @ 3:55 am
Locke WONT die coz when Ben Shot Him It Was Where He Lost His Kidney So He Wont And PLUS He’s A Good Character Y Would They Take Him Out?
Comment by Brooke — May 23, 2007 @ 1:14 am