Lost - Jacob Revealed and More!
What everybody wants to know is, was there someone in the room with Ben and Locke? Of course there was! Jacob is indeed a person of flesh and bone - occasionally! No HD source is available to me yet of the frames, but so far I have been unable to bring out any detail. So here is what you get:
Next. Some extras get all the luck. Look closely at these guys. They just got on the island, how did they wind up cast as extras in Dr. Candles orientation film?
Monster tracks? Or seam in creation? Could this be a sign that smoky has been near? Perhaps a hint that smoky is Jacob? Consider the evidence: we were shown the trench of sand-like material in close proximity to Jacob’s shack, and Damon Lindelof recently revealed that Smoky does not leave the ground, which might lead you to think he might leave tracks like this.
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HE LOOKS LIKE LOCKE WEN HE HAD HAIR
Comment by RMC — May 9, 2007 @ 8:26 pm
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/3029/vlcsnap12055658tk3.png
Jacob Screen Cap.
Comment by Boss — May 9, 2007 @ 8:26 pm
Hell i was right it was Locke All of long…
Comment by Bigbenguy — May 9, 2007 @ 8:27 pm
Huh…They’re going to need a pretty radical explanation for why this dude could only be seen in glimpses and his voice sounded like the cryptkeeper. Also, why hasn’t Richard aged a day while Ben and Uncle Rico have packed on the years? Does wearing mascara save you from 25+ years of physical advancement? Or is it some island power?
Comment by benjaminjames — May 9, 2007 @ 8:28 pm
I agree! That is totally Locke wearing a rug!
Comment by OMG! — May 9, 2007 @ 8:29 pm
Well it’s either Locke or Kris Kristofferson!
Comment by Blair — May 9, 2007 @ 8:29 pm
Yes, Kris Kristofferson! I was trying to think of his name since the episode and I couldn’t think of it!
Comment by bdub — May 9, 2007 @ 8:33 pm
did jacob ever get up out of his seat? if not, do you think jacob could be ben’s prisoner? “help me”….?
Comment by Justin — May 9, 2007 @ 8:35 pm
I didn’t see him! My husband didn’t either!! WHat the heck????? Yeesh.
That Richard’s kind of growing on me tho…I like him all dirty…
Back to Jacob…HELP ME…?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Comment by Vanessa — May 9, 2007 @ 8:35 pm
It does look very much like Locke. I wonder if he is just sitting there because he is future Locke that is paralyzed.
Comment by cypher21 — May 9, 2007 @ 8:35 pm
Or Locke with bad hair…if you can make a pic of this without the hair and put it next to Locke from this episode I think it looks really similar.
Comment by bdub — May 9, 2007 @ 8:36 pm
Argh Matey! Looks like a pirate to me. The Curse of the Black Rock lives!
Comment by Abraham — May 9, 2007 @ 8:36 pm
def looks like kris kristofferson … compare to nose to his profile on imdb.com and i feel like him being shown in glimpses isnt any crazier than a monster made of smoke which they will eventually have to explain as well …
Comment by Adam Equals — May 9, 2007 @ 8:37 pm
Yeah, Locke with a combover.
Comment by cypher21 — May 9, 2007 @ 8:37 pm
What is the friggin’ animal sitting on his shoulder???
Comment by memphis steve — May 9, 2007 @ 8:37 pm
U CAN SEE HIM IF YOU PUT UR TIVO SLOW-MO
Comment by RMC — May 9, 2007 @ 8:39 pm
THIS EPISODE WAS AWFUL.
Jacob was the biggest JUMP-THE-SHARK let down I have ever seen.
What I am even more troubled by is that the Dharma Initiative appears to just be a group of hippies looking for ‘harmony’, nothing more interesting. It is also unclear whether there is ANYTHING interesting going on ‘behind the curtain’ is Ben just nuts? Even if Jacob is real, I do not find it fulfilling to discover that he is some nonsensical ghost.
Comment by Hi — May 9, 2007 @ 8:40 pm
If you didn’t like it then why are you on a fansite? You don’t have to watch it.
Comment by bdub — May 9, 2007 @ 8:42 pm
Remember when Makhail was talking to Sayid, Kate, and Locke in the woods….
and he was telling how horrible Sayid and Kate really where…. then stopped at Locke and said “the John Locke I knew…” and then got cut off……
what if Jacob really is connected to Lock somehow with this alternate universe/time traveling craziness???
An evil twin? I think Anthony Cooper hinted to Sawyer that Locke may not have been his only child…..
????
Comment by Lauren — May 9, 2007 @ 8:43 pm
How do you figure DHARMA was nothing but a bunch of hippies? The orientation Ben watched when he first got there mentioned special properties the island possessed, and their intent to harness those properties. I, for one, am still absorbing what I just saw. I’m stunned, amazed, enthralled, and flat-out refuse to wait another week for more Lost!
Comment by ParkwaySouth — May 9, 2007 @ 8:48 pm
Here’s what I think: (1) It’s not Kris Kristofferson. That makes no sense. (2) Ben’s not crazy - that’s a cop out on an intricate story. Besides, we knew nothing about Ben for the whole first season. Why would his insanity be the central plotline? Lindelhof & Cuse debunked the whole “it’s in Hurley’s head thing” after the Dave episode. So I doubt that Ben’s crazy. (3) Jacob = Locke is the most likely. Locke’s been a key player to the story from the get-go - and after that great article here last week on why this is Locke’s story… I think that this storyline is the most plausible (plausible in a rather loose sense of course!). I have no idea exactly how it all works - but none of us do! That’s the fun!
Comment by hanto — May 9, 2007 @ 8:49 pm
look at the features of Jacob’s forehead…definitely the forehead of John Locke
Comment by Matt — May 9, 2007 @ 8:51 pm
I definitely agree that Jacob could be Locke….but maybe also, could Jacob be Alvar Hanso??? This episode was GREAT!!! Lost is back!!
Comment by Katira — May 9, 2007 @ 8:56 pm
It looks like Brother Campbell (Desmonds’s mentor at the monestary) with long hair. Check out this link and compare the noses.
http://lost.about.com/od/photosbyepisode/ig/Lost-3×17-Photos/Brother_Campbell.htm
Comment by Stacy — May 9, 2007 @ 8:57 pm
Here’s my theory on Jacob, albeit a crazy one. Jacob is the Island. Or rather, the person Ben knows as “Jacob” is a manifestation of the island. Jacob embodies the spiritual/supernatural essence of the island, and manifests to those who are willing to make sacrifices (Ben with everyone in DHARMA, Locke with Boone and Cooper). But Jacob’s ability to take forms can explain Jack’s dad, Dave, Yemi, all those crazy hallucination things. Plus, I very very firmly believe that ol’ Smokey is basically the Holy Ghost to Jacob’s God on this island.
Comment by ParkwaySouth — May 9, 2007 @ 8:58 pm
How much you wanna bet that Roger Linus could throw a football over them mountains?
When Ben shot Locke, I was waiting for Locke to say..”Ow, it kills, it kills!”.
Comment by Higdon — May 9, 2007 @ 9:01 pm
I think it looks kind of like Bens father…I also think that the island is some kind of gateway between here and the after world or spirit world,.probably among other things. I agree Locke has some special connection,..though I won’t speculate on it yet. I know that Ben has the ability to kill, as well as most of the people working with him,..and Locke was supposed to have killed his father yet he had Sawyer do it, that could be the key to seeing Jacob,..Locke couldn’t see because he did not kill his father. as Ben did.Anyway just a thought or two…
Comment by lost-lady — May 9, 2007 @ 9:02 pm
there was a lot of talk of the volcano in that episode, wasn’t there? the whole discussion in the dharma school, locke reaching down and noticing the volcanic ash around jacob’s hut….? hmmm…
Comment by Justin — May 9, 2007 @ 9:06 pm
it cant be bens father . bens dad is roger workman they found his skeleton 4 espisodes ago in the VW fan.
Comment by mofarley — May 9, 2007 @ 9:09 pm
WOW, i didn’t even catch that, good one Justin!
Comment by LiLi — May 9, 2007 @ 9:10 pm
Richard does not age because he is one of the original inhabitants of the island. I want to know more of these people.
Is Locke dead? If so, the Locke is Jacob discussion just got a lot more interesting…
Comment by cap10tripps — May 9, 2007 @ 9:12 pm
Is that what that was? I thought maybe it was gunpowder, the way Ben was careful to step over it. But then, I know nothing about volcanoes or their ash.
Comment by ParkwaySouth — May 9, 2007 @ 9:13 pm
it could’ve been gunpowder, i’m not sure…but when i first saw it all that i could think of was volcanic ash…
Comment by Justin — May 9, 2007 @ 9:14 pm
I don’t believe that Ben actually had a conversation with Jacob. I don’t think he can even talk to him — the reason he shot John was because John actually heard his words while Ben can’t — it would certainly account for the shocked look on Ben’s face when John told him what he said.
Comment by Roger — May 9, 2007 @ 9:15 pm
After the flash of Jacob is shown a flashlight is seen and then another pair of eyes (not Locke’s or Ben’s?) Does anyone agree that those were the eyes of Jacob, or am I not being critical enough, it is just the right side of someone’s face and eye, like the upper right quadrant. Pleae discuss!
Comment by Frenk Melk — May 9, 2007 @ 9:17 pm
Two points here. Jacob (what we see of him) reminds me of Randle from “The Stand.” I could see Merl’s crossings gettin heated up now. Also, the ground shakes when Jacob gets pissed, as well as whe the hostiles attack DHARMA when Ben was little. We need to delve into who these “hostiles” really are to come up with who the hell Jacob (their all powerful leader who needs Locke’s help) is. What’s the deal with his hatred of technology? Are they trying to tell us that god exists and we are killing him???
Comment by cap10tripps — May 9, 2007 @ 9:21 pm
That’s a really good point. Ben supposedly had a whole conversation with Jacob, yet was unable to hear him speak to Locke. I still maintain that Jacob IS the Island, and will only reveal himself to those worthy, or those willing to believe (”You’re too limited to see…”)
Comment by ParkwaySouth — May 9, 2007 @ 9:22 pm
Jacob = John makes no sense. If anything, Jacob is an entity that may have taken a similar form to John to say “Help me,” foreshadowing what happens to Locke later.
Locke being Jacob opens up too many holes and would require too many bizarre explanations.
Comment by Chris — May 9, 2007 @ 9:22 pm
also, this was just pointed out to me by my wife haley…
“before they entered jacob’s house, didn’t ben tell locke that just, just like ben, disliked technology?”
could this be another key to the jacob is locke in some form theory?
Comment by Justin — May 9, 2007 @ 9:22 pm
Dude… Jacob is Eric Stoltz from that movie MASK. How has anyone not mentioned THAT!
I’d really like to see where there going with this. I’m still kind of in shock from this episode.
Comment by Steeeeeve — May 9, 2007 @ 9:24 pm
Does anyone else think Jacob looks like Ian Patrick Williams?
Image: http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Ian_Williams.jpg
This is the guy who played Alvar Hanso in the Lost Experience. He was also an “extra” on the show as an other. Maybe Jacob was keeping a close eye on the others. See the image on this page: http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Alvar_Hanso/Theories
Any ideas?? Talk amongst ya selves.
Comment by Jeff — May 9, 2007 @ 9:24 pm
I dont know but Jacob does look at lot like Ron Perlman. Take a look at some pics on the net and pay close attention to the nose and chin. also, there was a rumor perlman was going to be jacob before
Comment by k.b. — May 9, 2007 @ 9:25 pm
This episode was a trip. Although here were some troubling holes like the chick (don’t remember her name) who gave Ben the doll, wtf happened to her in between young Ben and old Ben? Maybe I missed something, so feel free to fill in the blanks anyone.
We jumped awful quick from young Ben to grown up Ben. So he waited like 20 yrs to run off and join an un-aged Alpert? I dunno bout that. Hopefully Alpert not aging is explained in a podcast as something real, and not just some screw up or oversight.
I did like this ep, and i loved how it filled in the blanks with Dharma-Others and their history. I’m still confused though. So now the focus has shifted from who is Dharma and who their connection to the Others to who are the Hostiles and their history? Although I guess the Others are the Hostiles…I know next year is supposed to revolve around the ‘Ruins’ of the Island, so hopefully we get this in Season 4.
I loved the parallels b/t Locke and Ben. Daddy issues, both forced to end their father’s lives to be accepted into a group they saw as better than their own. They’re the same, except that Ben actually murdered his father, Locke did it by proxy.
This ep was fantastic, but I felt like we could have gotten more. I think the beach scenes probably could have been glossed over without too much of a problem and we could have packed more Locke-Ben-Island drama in.
And how crazy was that ending…I have this off the wall theory that Locke will die, but Jacob will take his place, as they may be the same person. Maybe sumthin to expand on Doc, that seems up your alley lol.
And finally…Jacob himself. When Ben was talking to that chair, I groaned louder than I think I ever have watching this show. But then…It. Got. Interesting! I’m still pissed that we’re in the dark as to who Jacob actually is, but the fact he’s not a doll, or a figment of Ben’s imagination is enough to placate me for now…but the explanation for this better be damn good…although I think we’ll have to wait till early ‘08 to find out anything more on our mystery man…
Comment by Revolution — May 9, 2007 @ 9:30 pm
When the ground shakes while little Ben is watching the volcano I immediately thought “volcano.” When Locke feels the powder when getting closer to Jacob’s house (Ben rushed him here, hmmm) I thought “volcano.” Then the earth shakes when a flashlight is turned on. I’m really starting to think that god (at least metaphorically) exists and we are killing him, but what of Ben’s shooting Locke? Does Ben want to be god? Could Ben be a metaphoric Satan, one of Jacob’s metaphoric angels who will try to take the kingdom? Hmmmm *stroking beard*
Comment by cap10tripps — May 9, 2007 @ 9:30 pm
Oh, and on top of being absolutely identical to Eric Stoltz in MASK, Jacob has a sweet mullet.
Comment by Steeeeve — May 9, 2007 @ 9:31 pm
I slowed my tivo way down and watched frame by frame, twice. At one point I noticed there was a puff of gray smoke hanging over the chair, while Ben was talking to him, it, whatever. I think that the point that smoky can take whatever form he wants is a good one, and he may have taken locke’s form for the moment. Now I’m going to have to read that book “Evil Twin” - Jacob was the evil twin in the bible, right? Maybe he’s the evil twin of Locke on the island.
I too, wondered why Richard hadn’t aged a day, and not so much as a gray hair. It’s not Neverland - Ben grew up, and Aaron’s getting older - why not Richard?
Also, why did Ben all of a sudden become the leader? Was it because only he saw Jacob? Who was the leader of the “hostiles” before he came along?
Comment by Colleen — May 9, 2007 @ 9:36 pm
I googled Ron Perlman and I think the forehead, brow, and hairline.
Comment by Jeff — May 9, 2007 @ 9:36 pm
I posted earlier that I thought Jacob looked like Brother Campbell with long hair. Brother Campbell was a monk, meaning he had no use for modern technologies. It appears that Jacob is confined to the chair, probably by Ben. Brother Campbell was obviously steering Desmond to the island (his fate), which gives him a power that Ben has manipulated for his own unforseen plan. If Jacob is some form of Locke, then why did Ben tell Jacob that he was coming in with John Locke? Jacob and Locke and definitely two different people.
Comment by stacy — May 9, 2007 @ 9:36 pm
The ‘ash’ was the bits that make up smokey. Jacob IS smokey. Perhaps an original Dharma from one of the experiments somehow trapped? Jacob=smokey would explain the broken windows and such. Dislikes technology because technology trapped him.
Here’s what I want to know. If Dharma got wiped out and Ben joined forces with the hostiles, how do they have the dough to run their adventures back in the states to get Juliet?
Comment by John — May 9, 2007 @ 9:41 pm
Did anybody notice the painting of the dog in jacobs place? It looks a heck of a lot like vincent!!
Comment by Sloneborg — May 9, 2007 @ 9:41 pm
What makes you assume the extras just got to the island. They could very well have been returning to the island.
Also, I think that the substance was completley encircling Jacob’s house and that is what was keeping him trapped there and why he asked Locke for help
Comment by Noblelawyer — May 9, 2007 @ 9:43 pm
I agree with Noblelawyer.
It looked like volcanic ash and it looked like it was circling the cabin….to keep something trapped inside it.
Anyone else disappointed with the Purge? That was surely uneventful. What happened to Candle losing his arm Doc? What happened to Dharma starting it? This episode shoudl have been the finale in terms of flashbacks…it felt obviously rushed with no development whatsoever. We learned nothing that we already knew about Dharma.
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 9, 2007 @ 9:50 pm
I think the aging has something to do with the Dharma meds they were injecting into people when they got to the island. Dharma folks age because they have been immunized against the island’s effects — this explains why Ben (who had the injection) could not be healed by the island and why Aaron is aging. Not sure about Alex - she seems to have grown up on the island as an other, but maybe she got an injection somewhere along the line.
Comment by Brooklyn — May 9, 2007 @ 9:56 pm
RICHARD IS AN ORIGINAL ISLAND INHABITANT. BEN AND HIS FATHER ARE NOT. THIS IS WHY RICHARD SEEMINGLY DOES NOT AGE WHILE THEY DO.
Comment by cap10tripps — May 9, 2007 @ 9:58 pm
In my opinion, Jacob looks a lot like Danny Picket with longer hair. I know that makes no sense and I don’t think it’s him but it looks like him to me. AWESOME EPISODE.
Comment by matt — May 9, 2007 @ 10:00 pm
Good point. I seem to recall that sort of technique (ash being used as a safety net) in summoning spirits or demons or something like that (I can’t put my finger on it). I also noticed a little black cloud hovering in the chair at one point that reminded me of Smokey…
Comment by cap10tripps — May 9, 2007 @ 10:04 pm
It looks like the guy who played in the movie “The Mask”. No way that looks like Locke. Look at that nose.
I agree with Steeeve’s theory. It seems that Ben didn’t here the voice and Locke did. Otherwise he wouldn’t be asking what Jacob said.
Where did Ben get the gun? I must have blinked when that happened.
Comment by Silky — May 9, 2007 @ 10:05 pm
Did you catch the bottles in J’s cabin? Was that blood in bottles on the shelf?
Comment by sheena — May 9, 2007 @ 10:09 pm
My personal opinion here is that Jacob is the island. The island is god. Jacob can manifest and communicate. I believe he was communicating with Locke but not Ben. Ben is cheating (using technology/DHARMA’s resources). I think Ben has figured out how to trap Jacob, so that he may obtain the power of god…
Comment by cap10tripps — May 9, 2007 @ 10:09 pm
A point here on Locke’s shooting.. Did anyone notice him dropping pieces or peels from the fruit he was eating? When he does this they show a quick flash to Richard, Tom, and Alex. Me thinks that they will find Locke, and there will be a new sheriff in town…
Comment by cap10tripps — May 9, 2007 @ 10:12 pm
Anyone else curious as to what that building was where Jacob was “living”?
I was hoping it would be the radio tower, thereby explaining why we’ve haven’t seen it in 3 years but alas it was not. So was that a Dharma building or did the hostiles build it?
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 9, 2007 @ 10:13 pm
“This ep was fantastic, but I felt like we could have gotten more.”
The mark of a great episode! We could have gotten so much more, they could have spelled everything out for us plainly. But instead they blew our minds.
Look back at LOST season 1 and look at it now, and tell me it isn’t an amazing story being told.
Comment by Lance — May 9, 2007 @ 10:15 pm
If any of yall have seen the skeleton key…ashes were used as a form of barrier to keep spirits etc. out of or confined to a certain area. It appears that Jacob is trapped by someone and needs Locke’s help.
Comment by matt — May 9, 2007 @ 10:16 pm
sloneburg: are u crazy? that dog looked nothing like vincent. it looked like s pitbull.
i originally thought it was gun powder as a defense mechanism, but now i think volcanic ash.
after locke,mikhail, & co. DHARMA IS COMING. i have no doubt anymore. Naomi is dharma. did you see ben’s face when told? THey are soooooo coming!
Locke is alive, and i thought that shot of jacob was totslly locke. & i have never ever thought he was jacob. he is alive, and somehow he is jacob.
can they please kill kate…she sucks..sayid is the man!
Comment by themachine — May 9, 2007 @ 10:19 pm
*Lets not forget how quickly Locke heals on this island. Between being in a wheelchair, getting that metal door speared through his leg, and his fathers bite to his hand i think we can rest assured that hell bounce back from this gun shot.
Out of all the lessons that could have been taught in the classroom for ben and annie they chose to show them learning about a volcanic erruption. I find that interesting.
Is Annie dead or alive? I have a feeling that Alex was told that Annie was her mother and died at birth leaving Alex not to ask questions which would help hide the truth about the french woman. Alex told Sayid that she was told her mother was dead and Sayid smartly replied “So that’s what they told you?”. Speaking of the frenchwoman, I have a feeling she wont dissapoint in the season finale. It’s definitely going to end with a big bang so to speak.
Comment by Joegela — May 9, 2007 @ 10:20 pm
joegela: are you the gantry’s joe gela? if not u wont understand, bc i am wrong ..if so, whaaatt up?
Comment by themachine — May 9, 2007 @ 10:29 pm
I think it took Ben so long to actually go through with killing everyone in the group because he acted as a spy for the hostiles. The show is full of people acting as others just to get the inside track. (Juliet) Ben did not hesitate to send Juliet as a spy and he was well prepared to communicate with her during that time. Hes no stranger to being a spy and everyone has to be careful with who they trust. Everyone knows more than their letting off.
Comment by Joegela — May 9, 2007 @ 10:32 pm
Look at the clothes Richard was wearing. Those are definately old clothes, they do not look current even for when DHARMA first arrived. I believe the “hostiles” took those clothes from the crewman on the black rock. I don’t know where to go from there, maybe someone can help.
Ben obviously thinks Locke will help the island and he doesnt want that. He told Locke you have a communion with the island and you are important. He sure did not say he was important to him. It was all the more reason to get rid of him. Also I think the word summons is important. Did Jacob summon Lockes dad?
Comment by theisland — May 9, 2007 @ 10:35 pm
What is so different from Locke’s light vs the lantern? Seems flashlights give off most of their light in infrared, that is sort of interesting.
Light is also, of course, a steady electromagnetic wave and we know the island has some “unique electromagnetic fluctuations.”
Or was it just the ‘Thought’? Locke turns on his flashlight with the idea in his mind that he will see something/someone and low and behold… he does…
Comment by DocArzt — May 9, 2007 @ 10:45 pm
i think jacob is jacks father. it kinda looks like him, with all the extra hair and beard and all…and that would make sense as to why jack’s dad was always so mysterious — maybe theres more to jack and his father than we think (hence the finale..?)
Comment by hope815 — May 9, 2007 @ 10:46 pm
Did anyone see the “LOST ROOM” on scifi? The same shaking thing happened when they opened the door to the lost room. The people were caught between dimensions and could only appear for a few seconds. I think Lost is based somewhat in dimensions like that movie. Jacob is caught between a dimension. Maybe dharma was trying to harnes ssome power and he got caught.
Comment by theisland — May 9, 2007 @ 10:49 pm
Ben joined Alpert and the other “hostiles” in order to find his dead mother. Jacob was/is the leader of the hostiles, who are all dead, which is why they don’t age. Ben trapped Jacob in the shack with the circle of ash in order to make him “deliver” his mother, but Jacob has never complied. Because Ben captured Jacob, the other hostiles now follow Ben. Jacob wants/wanted Locke’s help to be freed from Ben (which is also why Alpert is helping Locke).
Also, my guess is that the reason we didn’t see Ben reacting to Annie’s death when they killed all the Dharmites, is because she was already dead. She got pregnant with Ben’s child and died before the purge happened.
Finally, the large EM forces on the island are because it is some kind of way-station for the dead. Don’t “poltergeists” trigger EM activity, supposedly?
Comment by vernicus — May 9, 2007 @ 10:49 pm
Doc Arzt…..what happened to these spoilers?
“Finally, the planets have aligned properly and I can now release a few tidbits of info about LOST 3.20 that up until now I have been sworn to secrecy over. Read on for the sordid details.
1 - We will see Ben and several ‘others’ in Dharma Jumpsuits, but they are not scientists. (Ben MAY not even be ‘Ben’)
*True but only Ben was shown…I guess your source misinterpreted this?
2 - The episode will bring new meaning to the term ‘Born on the island’.
*Seems a bit over hyped rather than just saying Ben lied.
3 - The formation of ‘the others’ is counter-intuitive. Those seeking breakthroughs on the island (the scientists, etc) are the ones seen as impure, the guys who sweep the floors are seen as ‘fit’.
*This wasn’t really explored, I hope it is in a future flashback.
4 - Marvin Candle’s arm loss will be explained, graphically.
*I was severely disappointed with this not happening tonight….will this be shown at some other point?
More as it becomes available.
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 9, 2007 @ 10:57 pm
LOCKE IS NOT DEAD…. and ill get to how i know this in a minute. 1st off, great episode (all but the house shaking because jacob doesnt like flash lights ((very gay)) ).
Ben can see and hear Jacob. Ben was shocked that Locke heard Jacob right before he walked out the door. Now Ben feels that Locke is a real threat, Ben was special because he was the only one who could hear and see Jacob, untill that is, Locke comes along and within a few minutes can even hear Jacob himself.
Now my theory on whats happening next…
Locke isn’t dead, did u notice where Ben shot him? Could have been a fatal wound to the Kidney right? Good thing Locke gave his Kidney away on his left side, huh? (see, everything does happen for a reason!) Now Jacob can help him, and heal Locke. Few episodes sooner then later, Locke returns, fully healed, now we have reasons for wanting Ben dead. Locke can take Ben’s place at Jacobs side. When everyone see’s that Locke has returned, he will have ALL of the others following him after that.
Ben, ur great, and ill miss u, but whoever shoots locke, ends up deaaadd..
To take it a step further… Ben shot him there on his left side where his kidney was removed because he knew the wound wouldnt be fatal, he also knew that if John really did hear jacob, and if jacob really thought John was special, then jacob would indeed heal him, if not, then Ben wins. Proving to not only the Others that he’s meant to be in charge, but also to himself.
Why Jacob needs help is very simple…
Put urself in Jacob’s shoes if u will.. Your a powerful “ghost” and noone can hear you or see you… But BEN! That means, everyone has to listen to Ben, because its considered Jacobs will, but is it really? What if after years of doing Jacobs will, ben decides whatever ben says can be considered Jacobs word… even if it isnt, who’s going to say other wise? No one… but John Locke….
Comment by jimyy — May 9, 2007 @ 10:57 pm
Doc: What was with the lantern? Ben lit it before they could enter? Flash light no good? flah light and non belief triggers jacob? Ben than places unlit lantern back? I have no clue, but in military we have a term”The smoking lamp is lit” meaning you can smoke/talk aloud/defenses down a midge…. lit lantern a sign to jacob that friendlies are here? why is ben so jealous that locke could hear jacob? why is locke pretending he though it was ben & not jacobe he heard when he clearly knows that was not ben speaking? what bout the whispers b4 locke see’s his mom as a kid? in the woods? the whispers are back!!!! so much going on.. i have no clue anymore whats going on, and it make me wanna screeeam! but this is why i watch..comments????
Comment by themachine — May 9, 2007 @ 11:01 pm
Yo Doc…
Look at that one guys Dhrama Patch you no the Guy who Brought the Linuses there?He has a Arrow thru his Chest…
Kinda a Riddle!
Comment by Bigbenguy — May 9, 2007 @ 11:03 pm
I think you all are getting wayyyy ahead of yourself assuming Jacob is actually someone we know. That would defeat the purpose of Jacob’s existence as a seemingly “ethereal” entity.
Let’s first of all approach the idea that Ben might not, and in my opinion cannot, see or hear Jacob. Firstly, because of the utterly shocked look on his face when Locke actually heard Jacob say something, and secondly because he had to ASK Locke what Jacob said to him.
Also, it would not be an uncommon act for Ben to be luring Locke into the situation because he was aware of the fact that Locke might be able to hear or see him in the first place. In addition, why would he shoot Locke simply because Jacob spoke to him? Ben is aware that Locke has some form of “special connection” to the island, but he is also clearly aware of Jacob’s existence but is more than likely unable to directly communicate with him or see him. The “conversation” he has with Jacob seems more like a provocation for Locke to become frustrated and do EXACTLY what he did.
Brew on that
Comment by Roger — May 9, 2007 @ 11:09 pm
Well, I got a business call 5 minutes before the show started and missed it all! I’m trying to contain my feelings over this still as I type.
Anyway, is there anywhere online I can watch this episode now or do I have to wait until ABC puts it on their site and if so do you know how long after air time/date they get them up?
Comment by jetticus — May 9, 2007 @ 11:10 pm
I think the black stuff on the ground is black powder going to that stash of dynamite Danielle took from the old slaver ship. I think she plans on blowing up Ben real good for stealing her daughter.
I don’t think Jacob is a ghost. I think he’s out of “phase” if that makes sense. There was all kinds of weird experiments going on that island. Jacob might have had some kind of accident. Besides we’ve already seen Desmond jumping around in time and having flashes of the future. Maybe Jacob is in some kind of temporal flux. I think Ben was acting and he can’t see/hear him. But he knows he is there. If he could talk to him why ask Locke what Jacob told him? Ben would have heard him too.
I think Richard and the original group of others don’t age. Some of them may be some of the crew from the black rock. I bet Jacob was there leader and Ben did something to him to take over the group.
I think Locke is dead. If he’s not then the show just jumped the shark.
Comment by DR — May 9, 2007 @ 11:12 pm
although i agree somewhat, i believe he is absolutely horrified, and miffed that locke could hear jacob. ben has never had anything in his life that cared/he wanted in life besides his mother and his current situation. he does not want locke taking away from his “Attention”. But i do think his convo was totally fake…. I HAVE NO F’N clue…
on a side note, i loved how locke whooped mikhail in front of everyone bc he was messing with his “ben/jacob time” (again taking from his attention)
Comment by themachine — May 9, 2007 @ 11:14 pm
“I think Ben was acting and he can’t see/hear him. But he knows he is there. If he could talk to him why ask Locke what Jacob told him?”
Ben can, and in Ben’s mind, ONLY Ben can hear and see him. Jacob could probably talk to John without Ben hearing, would explain why Ben didnt hear what Jacob said.
Also, if ur Ben, and everyone of ur followers knows that only YOU can talk to Jacob, isn’t that a wonderful thing? Meaning Ben’s word, wether it’s really Jacobs word or not, means everything. Ben always gets to have the last say, even over Jacob… Why? Because Ben is the only one who can hear and see him. No one is able to question Ben about what Jacob says. This is what makes Locke such a serious threat to Ben’s hold over everyone. Locke, as Ben just found out, can also hear jacob.
See what i’m saying?
Comment by jimyy — May 9, 2007 @ 11:20 pm
“I think Ben was acting and he can’t see/hear him. But he knows he is there. If he could talk to him why ask Locke what Jacob told him?”
Ben can, and in Ben’s mind, ONLY Ben can hear and see him. Jacob could probably talk to John without Ben hearing, would explain why Ben didnt hear what Jacob said.
Also, if ur Ben, and everyone of ur followers knows that only YOU can talk to Jacob, isn’t that a wonderful thing? Meaning Ben’s word, wether it’s really Jacobs word or not, means everything. Ben always gets to have the last say, even over Jacob… Why? Because Ben is the only one who can hear and see him. No one is able to question Ben about what Jacob says. This is what makes Locke such a serious threat to Ben’s hold over everyone. Locke, as Ben just found out, can also hear jacob.
See what i’m saying?
Comment by jimyy — May 9, 2007 @ 11:20 pm
Got a HD shot of Jacob, increased the brightness and contrast, it seems they’ve taken steps to prevent that sort of thing. I wouldn’t know how else to “enhance” the image, so maybe someone else can work with it. From the profile shot though, it seems to look kinda like James Cromwell.
Jacob in HD: http://i6.tinypic.com/6fh3cqp.png
Comment by The Pearl — May 9, 2007 @ 11:25 pm
Oh, and that powdery substance surrounding Jacob’s cabin? Looked like gunpowder to me.
Comment by The Pearl — May 9, 2007 @ 11:28 pm
i hear you jimyy and i feel ya! Ben is f’n pissed! he isnt as special as he thought! he’s pissed bc his plan is backfiring, and he’s pissed bc he is losing favor w/jacob/island! he is clearly jealos of the situation and wishes locke and this plane never “fell” from the sky. jacob needs help, and he now knows that jacob made this plane “fall” from the sky so locke could “save” him!!
Comment by themachine — May 9, 2007 @ 11:31 pm
I don’t think that the sand on the ground was trails from Smokey. I think the ‘Skeleton Key’ was more appropriate. Hence, Jacob needing ‘Help’. I think it was just sand, but the way Locke sniffed it, it could be something else. It’d be interesting if it was just sand; that would explain how Jacob the spirit can’t get off the island, since, well, it’s surrounded by sand.
Ben obviously wants to control the Others. Locke is a threat. I think Ben can hear Jacob and was shocked that Locke could hear him too, because no one else can hear Jacob. Locke will heal, either with Jacob’s help, or without.
My guess is his magic healing was always because of Jacob.
It’s possible that this is why Ben got the cancer in the first place: to get Locke to that moment we saw in Jacob’s cabin where he says ‘Help me.’ Honestly, everything leading up to that point is because Ben had cancer. Jacob is locked (no pun intended) in by Ben and when Locke falls out of the sky, Jacob seizes on the opportunity to try and get himself freed. If this means that Jacob is God, then so be it. In all respects, on the island, he is.
I’m insanely curious to see a Richard flashback. And more Ben flashbacks. But really, the kicker will be when we see Richard, who maybe has four toes, eh?
How all of this ties into all of the other Losties is beyond me.
Comment by Adam — May 9, 2007 @ 11:35 pm
Something else: do you think it’s possible that Jacob looks like Locke because that’s how Locke would see Jacob? Like when Ben is talking to Jacob, he sees himself?
Just a possibility.
Comment by Adam — May 9, 2007 @ 11:37 pm
Code: 54439
EDDCI? Diced?
Also what code did Juliet use?
Richard can speak English pretty well for someone who is supposedly very old (blackrock)… could he be a time traveler from the future?!
Who keeps dropping food for the Dharma Iniative if they are all dead?
Who funds Ben and the others? How are they able to communicate with the outside world and have the resources they have?
One answer: Time Travelers!
Also Mikahl is supposedly an ex Solider, why doesnt he fight back with Locke? Surely he has a greater expertise in fighting than Locke does..
Ben killed his Father. Locke had to kill his to continue on his journey… Desmond goes on about Sacrifice…
Locke’s not dead.
Comment by Boss — May 9, 2007 @ 11:40 pm
Look at the clothes Jacob is wearing. To me, it looks likes something an old priate would wear…(Magnus Hanso, Black Rock, etc.)
Magnus = Great
“Jacob is a great man”
And to me it looks like Timothy Busfield.
Comment by Chris — May 9, 2007 @ 11:54 pm
That’s the best shot so far, and I’m starting to think that it’s none other than Christian Shephard. Damon and Carlton said that there is definitely something to the fact that Christian’s body was lost. If it were him, everyone would be wondering why they never caught his importance considering his name is Christian Shephard…
Comment by cap10tripps — May 9, 2007 @ 11:58 pm
Here’s my best attempt at “super-imposing” an image of Locke onto the frame we have of Jacob.
http://i2.tinypic.com/5×902aa.png
The chin kinda fits, but the nose looks different. Locke’s nose is pointier. The more I look at the Jacob image though, and try to ‘block out’ the hair, the more it looks like Locke.
Comment by The Pearl — May 9, 2007 @ 11:58 pm
Also, Jacob slightly resembles John Locke (the other John Locke — the philosopher): http://www.biografiasyvidas.com/biografia/l/fotos/locke.jpg
Comment by The Pearl — May 9, 2007 @ 11:59 pm
Jacob looks like Horace to me…
Comment by Nubia — May 10, 2007 @ 12:02 am
It also kinda looks like that Horace character.
The Wikipedia entry on a Magic Circle makes for interesting reading.
“This circle is also believed to be an area which straddles two dimensions or realities. It becomes a sacred space between the mundane world and the otherside. Also known as the “veil between worlds”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_circle
Comment by Deadshot — May 10, 2007 @ 12:10 am
When you had it in slow mo.on tivo..did anyone notice right before the screen shot that is listed look across the wall in white..it looks like a image..a face..like a mirror..or smoke..help ..what is it
Comment by kristal — May 10, 2007 @ 12:23 am
is it just me or does jacob look like jack’s dad?
Comment by felix — May 10, 2007 @ 12:31 am
WHY RICHARD HASN’T AGED…
That wasn’t Richard little Ben was talking to, but a vision (like his mother…like Desmond’s future flashes, but a more advanced version). He was saying “be patient” because it would be many many years later when Ben would meet the REAL Richard Alpert, who would help him with the purge. This was just the beginning of Ben’s visions, what makes him “special” and enables his communication with Jacob/the island.
Comment by socalj — May 10, 2007 @ 12:39 am
“Ben can, and in Ben’s mind, ONLY Ben can hear and see him. Jacob could probably talk to John without Ben hearing, would explain why Ben didnt hear what Jacob said.”
Agreed 100%. Since Jacob seems to be the supernatural sort, it’s certainly easy enough to be believe that he could choose to confront one person’s psyche without communicating to anyone else at the same time. I think Ben’s under the false *impression* that he usually speaks only to him. But when Jacob meets Locke, he recognizes a chance to be rescued from Ben’s enslavement(something I’m assuming based on the fact that he left Ben out of his “Help me” plea).
How does Ben have him enslaved? I’m not sure. I think that Jacob is most definitely a manifestation of the island, itself. And furthermore, I think Jacob is capable of taking many forms - whether that be a vision of a loved one in the jungle or the black smoke (which erupts from the top of that cottage, I’m assuming, like smoke from a volcano, leaving ash in a circle around the cabin). So I don’t think he’s trapped, physically, in that cabin. But why he seems to waver back and forth between searching for help by appearing to people in friendly forms and enveloping / murdering them as the smoke, I dunno. It’s almost as if Ben has Jacob enslaved and doing his dirty work for him - going out and killing people… yet every once in awhile, Jacob goes out on the sly, looking for assistance in escaping (appearing to the Losties as a horse from Kate’s childhood, Walt, Jack’s dad, etc… or in this case, appearing to Locke as his former self). Perhaps Ben is the reason he’s stuck in a supernatural form… perhaps that’s the sense in which Ben has him trapped and is holding him captive in an effort to pry from him the secrets of the island.
Also, I assume that Locke will indeed return. I like jimyy’s theory about the missing kidney. Combined with Locke’s ability to heal so quickly, it seems he could definitely overcome this gunshot. That, combined with the peel trail he left (good call, cap10tripps), should ensure a re-connection with the *other* Others. And when that happens, I think he’ll assemble them and mount a revolt against Ben and attempt to free Jacob…
Something like that… Maybe… But jeez… all this happening on network television? It’s hard to believe that the show’s creators would have mentioned that sorta stuff when first attempting to get the show on the air. There’s no way anyone at ABC would’ve greenlighted (”greenlit”?) the show had its recent direction been made apparent from the start. Whoa.
Comment by Priestybear — May 10, 2007 @ 12:39 am
It seems to me that Jacob looks like Bens father….Just compare the picture of jacob to the one below of roger.
Comment by donna — May 10, 2007 @ 12:40 am
Am I right in thinking that this proves that the ‘incident’ and the ‘purge’ are not the same thing? The incident must’ve occurred either in or at some time before 1980 (which was when the Swan film was made); the purge, on the other hand, must’ve occurred much more recently than that. As far as I can work out, Ben would’ve been just a teenager in 1980. I realise that the Ben we see at the time of the purge is intended to appear younger than ‘our’ Ben, but not that much younger, surely?
Comment by Clovis Sangrail — May 10, 2007 @ 12:40 am
This is killing me since I missed the show, how did Ben kill his father and how old was he?
Didn’t a character (old episode) bring up a prophecy type thing about Ben and that’s why he’s their leader? Maybe part of the prophecy is that the leader is someone who has killed their father? Ben set up Locke in an almost impossible situation to kill his father - in front of a crowd on a stage like platform was kind of high pressure.
Can Jacob be sitting on a spot where the energy is the highest on the island and has learned to channel it? Sort of like those crazy gravity spots where stuff rolls uphill and people get sea sick standing there. He could be harnessing energy of some sort of natural source. Perhaps people born there are evolved as to be able to use it to their advantage?
And, how did it go when the losties listened to the tape about what Julliet was doing? Please tell me she get’s tortured………she’s got that smirk going on way too much.
Comment by kay — May 10, 2007 @ 12:48 am
Wasn’t Rousseau supposed to be in this one? I’m sure I read that.
Comment by Clovis Sangrail — May 10, 2007 @ 1:04 am
At first I immediately thought of Vincent Schiavelli, but he’s deceased. Instead - what about Jacob being yet another LOTR cast member - Bernard Hill (King Theoden)?
http://www.autographdealer.com/images/BernardHill444.jpg
Comment by Randy — May 10, 2007 @ 1:11 am
Please, did the episode explain why the header over the entrance said Namaste? That’s Hindu and only used to greet Hindus.
Comment by kay — May 10, 2007 @ 1:15 am
oh yes, I found this to be interesting about namaste
“In everyday life, “namaste” is not consciously considered a religious gesture. However, many believe it has a spiritual basis, in recognizing a common divinity within the other person”
Comment by kay — May 10, 2007 @ 1:19 am
I reckon Ben asked Locke what jacob said to check if Locke wasn’t pulling one over his head. Making sure that locke’s being for real
Comment by Sbujero — May 10, 2007 @ 1:32 am
Did anyone notice how surprised Alpert was when Ben told him he’d spoke to his dead mother?
Comment by Jessixa — May 10, 2007 @ 1:43 am
i think danielle (french chick) is going to use the dynamite to erupt the volcano
Comment by shaun — May 10, 2007 @ 2:00 am
i think danielle (french chick) is going to use the dynamite to erupt the volcano
Comment by shaun — May 10, 2007 @ 2:01 am
This is a question for any British readers old enough to remember watching television on the night of Halloween, 1992:
Did the fleeting glimpse of Jacob remind you of anything? Mr. Pipes, for instance …
(It’s highly unlikely that the writers of Lost are aware of the show I’m talking about. I just thought it was worth pointing out since this scene was handled in such a similar way.)
(One more thing: I think we can agree that the Jacob scene borrowed heavily from Psycho. It’s a shame that it’s Nestor Carbonell who’s the spitting image of Anthony Perkins, and not Michael Emerson!)
Comment by Clovis Sangrail — May 10, 2007 @ 2:08 am
I enhanced your pix a bit and got this: http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jacobrevealedvu0.jpg
It looks like he has a spider monkey sitting on his left shoulder. You can see it’s white face next to his left cheekbone. And I don’t think it’s Locke. That forehead and nose look like the guy has Elephantiasis.
Comment by jbdean — May 10, 2007 @ 2:18 am
Jacob is Alvar Hanso.
Sincerely,
Persiphone
thehansofoundation.org
this will be my last post. carry the message.
Comment by Persiphone — May 10, 2007 @ 2:20 am
jbdean — I can’t get the link to work.
I am calling Hal Linden as Jacob right now. It seems that Ben or someone has “captured” one of the whispering people and somehow keeps him in a shack. So the whispering people are probably from a different time dimension.
Can’t wait to hear what the whispers are saying about young Jacob.
BTW- the mom appearing in the window about made me mess myself!
Comment by iowalost815 — May 10, 2007 @ 5:04 am
Here’s your answer to the rest of the show:
Jacob = God
Smokey = Holy Spirit
Ben = Satan
Locke = Jesus Christ
Ben has had a hold on “His people” for years. Locke has “looked into the eye of the island, and it was beautiful.” Smokey has shown Locke his purpose. Locke broke down Ben’s front door and is now destroying him. He called Ben out on everything and the more he does this, the less control Ben has. Jesus did the same with Satan. And as Satan tried to destroy Christ on the cross, just as Ben is trying to destroy Locke with the gunshot wound, Locke will be raised from the dead and stand by Jacob to ultimately destroy Ben.
I feel pretty good about that. There have been wilder theories.
Comment by iwanttofitin — May 10, 2007 @ 5:08 am
I think Jacob is a hoax that Ben, “The Man Behind the Curtain”, is pulling on the rest of the Others.
Also, I think Ben shot Locke because he was a threat to Ben’s control ocer the Others. When Locke was laying the ol’ smackdown on Mikhail, Ben called for Richard & Tom to stop it, and they didn’t even budge.
Comment by Pete317 — May 10, 2007 @ 5:15 am
Did anyone else think that Jacobs voice souded alot like Kelvins voice?
Comment by Aldois AlwaysSunnyinPhilly — May 10, 2007 @ 5:34 am
I think Desmond is on the island to save brother Jacob. Jacob appears to be wearing a hooded robe. That is why it is so important for Desmond to be on the island, to save Jacob. Jacob could be related to Locke, brother, grandfather, Jacob wanted Locke’s father dead because Jacob also had beef with him… thoughts?
Comment by 1miletogo — May 10, 2007 @ 5:47 am
I also think that Ben didn’t know that Jacob was invisible, Ben also looked surprised when when Jacob used his power to push Ben across the room. Jacob has some distinct powers and Ben fears him. Ben doesn’t want Locke helping Jacob to escape.
Comment by 1miletogo — May 10, 2007 @ 5:54 am
Jacob is the 23rd descendant of Adam and Eve in the old testament - hence the number 23! Also in the old testament, Ben is born to Rachel who dies during childbirth! - any connection
Comment by cantgetenough — May 10, 2007 @ 6:16 am
Anyone know a good place to get those whispers translated?
Good episode, but Jacob scene was weak. Shaking the camera, while invoking the earlier rumble when the Hostiles attacked, does not make a scene scary. Also, briefly flashing Jacob was derivative and did nothing for me. The only possible reason that they gave us so little, is that they haven’t cast Jacob yet. Whoever Jacob will ultimately be, will be a different actor than the actual person sitting in that chair. Or maybe the writers got all lazy after some amazing writing over the past couple of months.
Comment by Higdon — May 10, 2007 @ 6:17 am
Does anyone get the feeling that Annie, whom we met last night as a child, IS Rousseau?
Comment by Steeeeve — May 10, 2007 @ 6:23 am
Jacob has some distinct powers and Ben fears him. Ben doesn’t want Locke helping Jacob to escape.
Jacob doesn’t need help escaping, thats not the problem. He needs help being HEARD. Yes, Ben can hear him, but i think Ben doesn’t always listen to jacob, if Ben thought he was the only one who could hear and see Jacob, then thats just as good as being Jacob urself. Since no one can prove u wrong, or prove that ur not speaking Jacobs true word. But Locke CAN do this, and he’s the only one other then Ben that can hear jacob. Thats why jacob is “trapped” in a sense, Ben is evil, Locke is good, Jacob needs a good person to speak his TRUE word, not Bens.
Comment by Jimyy — May 10, 2007 @ 6:30 am
For what it is worth I do think there was a monkey sitting on his shoulder. I have created an enhanced image showing this. If there wasn’t anything on his shoulder you would not see the light hitting anything…
http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2000082795442092466
Comment by luckyhaskins — May 10, 2007 @ 6:31 am
If locke’s dead I refuse to watch. Terry O’quinn is lost.
Comment by cekma — May 10, 2007 @ 6:39 am
A few interesting things/confusions:
- We are supposed to understand after the finale why there can only be 48 episodes left. Could this have something to do with a volcano eruption?
- I think the reason why the lantern did not bother Jacob was because it is not considered advanced technology. Jacob does not like technology therefore the lantern was ok. Darlton said that Locke was on to something when he said Ben was cheating by eating chicken out of a refrigerator…could Jacob be angry at Ben for continuing to pose as DHARMA to continue receiving food drops and still using the stations?
- I still think that Locke and Mikhail have some kind of agreement. They were in the Flame for a long time together and Locke doesn’t simply kill people so he knew the fence would not kill him. Mikhail did not fight back because the others needed to see some sort of violence out of Locke so that they would think he actually killed his father.
- Could the imploding of the hatch have changed the properties of Jacob in some way? Perhaps Ben hasn’t been able to speak to Jacob since that day and that is why he is so angry that Locke heard him. The way that Ben “spoke” to Jacob did not fit with how he described Jacob being powerful. Ben spoke to Jacob as if he is the one in charge, he certainly wants to be, and told him to stop talking because he couldn’t hear Locke. You do not speak that way to someone you are scared of.
Comment by bdub — May 10, 2007 @ 6:40 am
Thats Jacobs problem… Yea im sure he is powerful and intelligent. But what good is it if u can only talk to one evil son of a btich who doesnt do what u say all the time?
Comment by Jimyy — May 10, 2007 @ 6:45 am
I was just wondering
Comment by dja — May 10, 2007 @ 6:46 am
jacob sounded an awful lot like CLANCY MOTHER F’N BROWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by cekma — May 10, 2007 @ 6:46 am
I’m thinking the ring of black stuff around the hut is meant to contain Jacob in some way. Sort of like a ring of salt/sand used to contain spirits.
I like the Ben = Satan, Locke = Jesus, Island = Eden theory.
Comment by Eric — May 10, 2007 @ 6:47 am
That blew me away! Good to see Ben has the daddy issues like everyone else. My first thought when Jabob’s shack started shaking was, “Ooh, The Mystery Spot!”…you see the bumper stickers all over California.
I think Ben was surprised to find that someone else can hear Jacob and instantly recognized Locke as a threat to his position with The Others. So…shoot him. Although I doubt we’ve seen the last of Locke.
I, too, wondered if Annie might be Rousseau but when Annie talked without an accent I figured not. But we’ll know who Annie is when the second wood doll shows up somewhere down the road.
Keep ‘em coming!
Comment by Tight5er — May 10, 2007 @ 6:55 am
How can you tell it’s a monkey on his shoulder? The first thing I thought of when you said that was the pirate ship on Black Rock, then pirates, then the idea of a pirate with a parrot on his shoulder. Could it be a parrot?
A monkey on the shoulder only makes me think of a street entertainer.
Comment by Jimm 17 — May 10, 2007 @ 7:02 am
Think back to the brainwashing scene earlier in the season…a lot of pictures of things changing as in technologically advancing in different areas. This could be a clue that Ben is actually working against Jacob with the not liking technology issue.
Comment by bdub — May 10, 2007 @ 7:15 am
Totally agree. The ‘conversation’ between Ben and Jacob sounded too dull and Ben acted like talking to a retard - not the promised reverence at all.
Comment by Nick — May 10, 2007 @ 7:20 am
Do you think that “Jacob” might be taking on Locke’s form??
Comment by Megan B — May 10, 2007 @ 7:21 am
It is inconclusive at this point as to which of these is true:
1. Ben cannot even hear Jacob and he lied that he was talking with him.
OR
2. Jacob can make himself be heard by only the person he is speaking to.
I completely agree with whoever said that Ben was not talking to Jacob like someone he fears, etc. If anything Ben was talking down to Jacob - which is odd though, because when Jacob got “angry” he was capable of throwing Ben against the wall.
My impression of “help me” was that Ben is somehow controlling Jacob and he needs Locke to get rid of Ben.
My guess is that Locke will not die - I don’t see how they could “end” his story like that. Why and how did Alex know Locke would need a gun? Did she somehow know Ben would kill Locke? Or have other people gone to see Jacob before and been killed, perhaps also by Ben?
Comment by Jimm17 — May 10, 2007 @ 7:24 am
Seriously, I think he’s deceased as well…
Comment by Nick — May 10, 2007 @ 7:29 am
2. Jacob can make himself be heard by only the person he is speaking to.
thats what im saying.
“My impression of “help me” was that Ben is somehow controlling Jacob and he needs Locke to get rid of Ben.”
He needs help being HEARD. Yes, Ben can hear him, but i think Ben doesn’t always listen to jacob, if Ben thought he was the only one who could hear and see Jacob, then thats just as good as being Jacob urself. Since no one can prove u wrong, or prove that ur not speaking Jacobs true word. But Locke CAN do this, and he’s the only one, other then Ben, that can hear jacob. Thats why jacob is “trapped” in a sense, Ben is evil, Locke is good, Jacob needs a good person to speak his TRUE word, not Ben’s.
Comment by Jimyy — May 10, 2007 @ 7:30 am
For those of you who are curious about the fact that Alpert is younger than Ben now but was much older than him when they first met, I have the actors real ages below and it’s weird to me:
Ben (Michael Emerson) - he will be 54 in Sept.
Roger/Ben’s dad - the actor will be 50 in June
Alpert (Nestor Carbonell) - he just turned 39
Very strange - if the actors real ages are the real ages of the characters Alpert is now 15 years younger than Ben when he was approx 15 years older than him when they met….
Comment by Lost In Florida — May 10, 2007 @ 7:36 am
There really is no debate to be had. Jacob is Rocky Dennis from Mask. Feel free to compare here:
http://www.negativschnitt.de/eric_stoltz/html/mask07.html
How on earth does that fit? Maybe they’re all fictional characters from other stories.
Comment by Thomas — May 10, 2007 @ 7:39 am
Good note about the ground-shaking. That seems to me to link up with Justin’s note about all the volcano talk. Jacob activity and the volcano are perhaps related somehow? And perhaps both in turn to the electromagnetic properties of the Island?
Comment by Tim J. — May 10, 2007 @ 7:53 am
http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jacobcontrastka0.jpg
Changed the contrast and coloration a little to see the profile better.
Comment by TheFirstBardo — May 10, 2007 @ 7:58 am
Just a thought: seems like only dead people can be “manifested” on the island - Jack’s dad, Ben’s mom, Eko’s brother. So maybe Locke’s dad really did die in that car accident.
As for Walt, maybe that’s why he’s so special. He can do it without being dead.
Not groudbreaking theories, I know. Just thoughts…
Comment by new poster — May 10, 2007 @ 8:03 am
So, i want to see one of the original inhabitants barefoot. I’m thinking back to when we just saw “the others” feet and raggedy clothes in the jungle way back when… Now, did they have 4 or 5 toes??? Are they some sort of ageless mutants?
Comment by Jennifer — May 10, 2007 @ 8:04 am
Richard hasn’t stayed ageless. They showed him with long hair, trying to show us that he is younger in age. But now being a more mature man he’s cut his hair short and business like. But some people just have the genes that make them look younger than they are.
My question is why is Ben boss and not Richard?
Comment by Esta — May 10, 2007 @ 8:06 am
Jack’s Dad and Eko’s brother were both on the island (their bodies, anyway). Ben’s mom died off-island but obviously manifested to a young Ben. Locke’s dad, I believe, was really on the island and was really killed by Sawyer and does not share traits with the manifestations. Just my opinion.
Comment by TheFirstBardo — May 10, 2007 @ 8:07 am
Perhaps the original inhabitants are these ’smokey’ beings? If there is one on the island (and they’re not entirely immortal), there is likely MORE than one (mates, children, adults, etc).
Now what IF ‘Jacob’ is trapped up at the cabin due to the surrounding powder (why else would they have to go to that one place, when it seems obvious that Jacob is fairly powerful and omnipotent and can likely BE anywhere)? And what IF he’s such a hostile and angry entity because of his home (his island) being messed around with (ie DHARMA)? Being anti-technology, perhaps he recognizes the threat that technology and science ultimately has on leaving the island as is (in it’s natural state).
And perhaps Jacob and the smokey that the Losties have met are DIFFERENT entities of the same species? Perhaps the two are mates (adding another reason to be angry)? Haven’t we seen both a white AND a black smokey (I could be wrong)?
Perhaps the Losties’ smokey didn’t kill John (remember the scene where they were face to face and John didn’t run away?) because John’s purity, his dedication to primitive, non-technological, spiritual living is compatible with smokey’s desired way of life? Perhaps science and technology is just bound to find the ‘unique properties’ of the island and just want to ‘harness’ them, i.e. somehow tamper with some sort of delicate environmental balance of the island that perhaps makes smokey and the hostiles (ie Richard) immortal/ageless/long-lived (hence the amazing healing powers)? Perhaps technology is just a threat to harness and thus destroy those properties?
It should be said that if there is a force that can HEAL near-fatal wounds in such short time frames, then why can’t that slow down aging as well? Aging is, after all, rapidly dying cells, and the same kind of force that would heal wounds and regenerate could very well make cell health more efficient. Perhaps (for a select few, perhaps ‘believers’) the healing properties on the island extend to ageless living?
Perhaps smokey needs a medium to communicate with the inhabitants (the Others and Losties) so that they can be told to ALL leave the island (and John can relate and translate those intentions properly)? Perhaps smokey just can’t communicate directly.
Perhaps that’s why the island is hidden, because it being discovered would mean the end of it’s low population, that everyone from everywhere would get greedy and want to figure out the powers the island has?
Perhaps smokey chose Ben to be his medium because Ben’s hatred for his father and everything DHARMA APPEARED to be enough to want to live ‘at-one’ with the island, low technology (but as time went on, they just continued living ‘modern’, albeit without the scientific research that could tamper with the qualities that make the island unique). Perhaps all the pregnant women dying once Ben was in charge was smokey’s hatred for how the Others were living their lives (technological)?
There are still many many questions to answer. Why did Ben recruit people to the island? Why is Ben DESPERATE to have women reproduce on the island (ie what’s in it for HIM)? What is the significance of the children (esp Walt)? How does Walt’s specialness relate/compare to John’s? When did Richard come to the island, and why does he not age, yet others do? Why doesn’t Ben go back to the real world? What plans did Jacob have for Ben and the hostile survivors once the DHARMA folk were dead? Is the supposed explanation as to Walt’s aging (i.e. since the show is practically realtime, shot over a few years) significant to the healing properties of the island? Perhaps if Walt has aged, then so has Ben in the same rapid fashion, and thus THAT is why Albert hasn’t looked like HE’S aged?
Too many questions….
Comment by Tomas — May 10, 2007 @ 8:08 am
I don’t think that’s the case. They could have used makeup to make him look older, if that was their intent. They gave him long hair to show that it was in the past, but I feel that his appearance of not having aged was very intentional.
Comment by TheFirstBardo — May 10, 2007 @ 8:11 am
What if Jacob’s shack is a point of exchange between realities? If anyone takes the whole Branching Universe/Multi-verse theory of quantum physics (and Lost) seriously, then there would be other realities (infinite) - maybe Jacob is stuck between two or more realities and somehow Ben (and Locke, now) can connect and communicate with him in his limbo-esque state?
Comment by Bardo — May 10, 2007 @ 8:16 am
Maybe they are the crew from the Black Pearl and the powder around the cabin is from the sticks of dynamite and not volcanic ash. Muahahhaha!
Comment by LaLandra — May 10, 2007 @ 8:21 am
I definitely think Richard Alpert is “younger” now than Ben - before this episode didn’t you all think Ben was approx 50 or so and Richard Alpert was probably approx 10 years or so younger? - there’s no way this is not relevant to the story somehow and we will hopefully eventually find out…
Comment by Lost In Florida — May 10, 2007 @ 8:22 am
what if the mysterious powder circle around jacobs hut is actually gun powder placed there by rousseau?
she did take an entire crate of dynamite didn’t she?
and was last seen in the episode where sayid kate and locke find the barracks. maybe she tracked the others to where they are now.
any thoughts?
Comment by new raven — May 10, 2007 @ 8:23 am
It’s possible, but why would Rousseau want to blow up jacobs house? then again, Where did she get all that gun powder? Deff not from the TNT, wasnt nearly stable enought to remove the powder, not only that, but theres just not enough gun powder in the TNT sticks to justify as much powder as we’ve seen.
Comment by Jimyy — May 10, 2007 @ 8:30 am
Regarding seeing a monkey with Jacob:
On another site someone is claiming that “Joop” is on Jacob’s shoulder or head. Is that what you’re seeing? That would lead me to believe that Jacob is Hanso
Comment by Jimm 17 — May 10, 2007 @ 8:33 am
Jacob looks like Danny Pickett (played by Michael Bowen).
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0100889/
Comment by lostboytexas — May 10, 2007 @ 8:38 am
I thought gunpowder at first, I wish they would have touched on that a little more.
Comment by Bardo — May 10, 2007 @ 8:47 am
is it just in my head or did the song that they were playin when locke returned to the camp sounds a lot like “somewhere over the rainbow” with minor chords being played with it… like go back and watch that part and listen to the song - sounds just like it.
Comment by OisinT — May 10, 2007 @ 8:52 am
sorry my previous post should have read when BEN returned to the camp and everyone was dead.
Comment by OisinT — May 10, 2007 @ 8:54 am
In the screencap with the adjusted contrast, you can clearly see that Jacob just has long, curly hair. There is no monkey.
As far as Jacob goes, now that we know he’s somehow in-between states, realities, planes of existence, something…what relevance does this have to the List that he made? Jacob knows who the Losties are - he supposedly created his List, and Ben stated “Jacob. It’s Ben. I’m here with John Locke” before opening the door to the cabin. What connection does Jacob have to the Losties and/or how does he know them? Solely from the files pulled by the Others? The way the hierarchy is setup, assuming Jacob is really giving Ben orders, one would assume that Jacob knew who the Losties were before the Others pulled info files on them. OR, they pulled the files and Ben communicated the info to Jacob, who then chose a selection of Losties to have brought from their camp. But why? We’ve assumed so far that the reason they were kidnapping people was for child-bearing purposes, and that Jack/Kate/Sawyer were kidnapped in order to get Sawyer and Kate to procreate and Jack to operate on Ben, but what of the List that Jacob penned?
Comment by Bardo — May 10, 2007 @ 8:54 am
remember the girl in the school class asking the teacher if that was the same type of volcanic eruption that had happened on their island! what could that mean?
i think that this may have been how the island was formed. a hot spot beneath the earths crust that eventually formed an island (like the Icelandic island of ‘Surtsey’ if anyone knows about that). the island could have grown out of the sea this way, thus explaining why the ship is in the middle of the island and why the island has not been discovered by anyone else.
i think that this high energy location of the island could be what is creating all this ‘magical’ activity where jacob and co are harnessing the island’s energy. just like the story with rose, who went to australia to see a man who could harness the land’s energy to heal her. except this island is far far more powerful than that.
of course this is a total guess and you may think it is stupid. but i think the previous volcanic eruption definitely holds some significance to the story, otherwise why make such a point of mentioning it???
Comment by rhodri_10 — May 10, 2007 @ 8:59 am
Regarding Ben, Locke and Jacob:
Ben was jealous. Jacob seems to have chosen Locke over Ben, and that enraged Ben. One more reason why Locke won’t die. Locke is special, we’ve been told that many times now - and he has now followed the same path Ben has to get to the point that Ben was at when he killed his father. Locke is now in the exact position Ben was in when he joined the Others. Exactly. He even killed his Dad. Which we should probably assume was requested by Richard Alpert and the “Hostiles” of Ben in order to join them. So will Locke become the leader of the Others?
Comment by Bardo — May 10, 2007 @ 9:03 am
Couldnt agree more, people keep saying that Ben “no longer hears jacob” i think that couldnt be further from the truth, Ben does indeed hear jacob, now wether he truely listens and obey’s everything jacob says is a different story.
Ben has to still hear Jacob. Jacob makes the lists… and Ben hears jacob.
Comment by Jimyy — May 10, 2007 @ 9:12 am
I feel like Ben didn’t hear Jacob say “Help Me” though. If he had, why the look of surprise on his face when Locke told Ben what Jacob had said? I think Jacob has chosen Locke to succeed Ben in part because Ben has lost sight of whatever goals Jacob has, and also in part because Ben is now obviously an overtly jealous megalomaniacal control freak.
Comment by Bardo — May 10, 2007 @ 9:15 am
Bernard Hill is very much alive - he’s currently involved with two movies that are in post production (one of them being the interestingly titled “Lesbian Vampire Killers,” LMAO).
Comment by Randy — May 10, 2007 @ 9:18 am
Nice!
Comment by Tim J. — May 10, 2007 @ 9:19 am
Smokey does not leave tracks. Otherwise, the ever inquisitive Locke would have seen them all over the place after previous encounters with Smokey, ie: when Eko was killed. The stuff would have been everywhere at the scene of the death.
Comment by EasyGoer — May 10, 2007 @ 9:21 am
Yea i agree with that, the only reason Ben didnt hear “help me” was because Jacob didnt want Ben to hear it. Everything else u wrote i completely agree with. U just have to except the fact that Jacob is able to speak with Locke and simply not allow Ben to hear that he wants help.
Comment by Jimyy — May 10, 2007 @ 9:21 am
I believe that ring of ash/soot/dirt is what is keeping Jacob trapped in that shack. I don’t believe that he can cross that soot line for some reason. Almost like a voodoo-esque type prison of sorts. He needs Locke’s help to get out cause Ben’s keeping him trapped there.
Comment by Slone13 — May 10, 2007 @ 9:22 am
The only reason i dont buy that, is because its to easy to fix….
Jacob: John i need you to weep up that ash around my house so i can leave. lmaooo sorry people, thats just not the case.
Comment by Jimyy — May 10, 2007 @ 9:23 am
“Sweep” sorry lol
Comment by Jimyy — May 10, 2007 @ 9:24 am
Seeeeve.. i do, but how can we explain the accent? the hair color, eye color differences?? but ti had that same thought///
Comment by themachine — May 10, 2007 @ 9:25 am
My biggest question (aside from who Jacob is) is about the timeline. When was it that Ben helped the Others to gas Dharma? When in relation to that did Kelvin and Radzinsky get recruited? Was it the real Dharma that recruited them?
Comment by Tim J. — May 10, 2007 @ 9:28 am
Ok here it is: Jacob is Magnus
Fits in with the clothes Jacob was wearing, and the fact that Joop (the orangutan with Jacob) was “harvested”, i.e. taken from the pirate ship at Black Rock when it crashed!
Comment by Jimm 17 — May 10, 2007 @ 9:30 am
About the circle around Jacob’s shack. I don’t like this idea because it’s very mystical and unscientific, but I’ll throw it out there anyway.
I know in some voodoo and other ritual religions that certain ceremonies and rituals call for encircling a person or spirit with chalk, sand or salt to contain them…that’s all pretty mystical and completely unscientific, but many island religions have trbal rituals similar to those of Voodoo that involve spirit communication and the like.
Maybe that circle of…ash? Sand? Gunpowder?…was meant to contain Jacob.
Comment by Bardo — May 10, 2007 @ 9:31 am
Agreed.
Comment by Bardo — May 10, 2007 @ 9:32 am
Sorry about double post
but it also fits in nicely because Joop’s big thing was his ability to live so long, which fits with the fact that Richard wasn’t aging
Comment by Jimm17 — May 10, 2007 @ 9:32 am
again….The only reason i dont buy that, is because its to easy to fix….
Jacob: John i need you to sweep up that ash around my house so i can leave. lmaooo sorry people, thats just not the case.
Comment by j — May 10, 2007 @ 9:32 am
Again, I agree completely with this. Which is why Locke isn’t dead. I think…
Comment by Bardo — May 10, 2007 @ 9:33 am
Sorry, Jimyy, but it’s NOT too easy to fix if no one ever normally gets the chance to visit Jacob, as seems to be the case. Besides, Ben make a specific comment to Locke when he was messing with the dirt, as if he didn’t want Locke touching it. Also, if Ben never expected Jacob to speak to Locke (and I am certain he did NOT expect Jacob to communicate with Locke in any way) then Locke would never have any way of knowing what the soot/dirt was for.
Also, it would seem obvious to me that Jacob is not quite as eloquent a speaker as you are trying to claim. There’s a reason that he only said “HELP ME” as apposed to being extremely specific about what help he is looking for from Locke.
Comment by Slone13 — May 10, 2007 @ 9:36 am
I’m not saying it is, just throwing out ideas. Besides, if the only words Jacob could manage to say to Locke were “Help me”, it doesn’t seem like he could have just given Locke a verbal manual on how to overthrow Ben and reclaim the island. His voice sounded strained. And really really old.
But I am in line with the idea that the line/circle was NOT Smokey tracks. So if it wasn’t there to contain something, what was it there for?
Comment by Bardo — May 10, 2007 @ 9:37 am
Yes, yes and yes.
Comment by Bardo — May 10, 2007 @ 9:39 am
Bardo, your theory RE: the circle of ash around Jacob’s shack is just like mine. That ring is somehow containing Jacob. If only so that Ben, who may be the only person who knows where Jacob currently is, can mantain some “control” over him.
Comment by Slone13 — May 10, 2007 @ 9:40 am
It seems that way, doesn’t it? Jacob sounded pained - I just got the feeling that he was trapped, that he can’t leave. Like a spirit in limbo (or so I hear, I don’t subscribe to any spiritual beliefs or faiths myself), but Jacob isn’t necessarily a spirit. It just seems obvious that he is being contained, that he doesn’t actually just live in a shack on the hill because he’s an invisible, reclusive technophobe.
Comment by Bardo — May 10, 2007 @ 9:47 am
Does anyone else tink that the photo of jacob looks a bit like picket? Or is it just me?!
Comment by Smellon — May 10, 2007 @ 9:49 am
I think Jacob is a new character, period.
Comment by Bardo — May 10, 2007 @ 9:54 am
I’ll give it to you, u backed up ur black ring around the house theory very well, and made me see that yes it is very possible… as far as jacob explaining himself further… Ben was talking to Jacob the whole time locke was there, it seemed like it took Locke a few mintue to “adjust to Jacobs frequency” i think in time, Locke will be able to talk to Jacob and see him much much better. It was his 1st vist, seems like this kinda thing might take more time, which would explain the very vague “help me” …. ur thoughts?
Comment by jimyy — May 10, 2007 @ 9:56 am
I agree with that - but I think it may have been more on Jacob’s part - Locke was ready to walk out the door and it sounded like Jacob gave one strong, last heartfelt call for help and Locke heard it.
Comment by Bardo — May 10, 2007 @ 10:02 am
Did we ever get Ben’s dad’s name?
Comment by Dan — May 10, 2007 @ 10:23 am
Roger
Comment by Bardo — May 10, 2007 @ 10:24 am
Oh Roger, that’s right.
Comment by Dan — May 10, 2007 @ 10:24 am
Did anyone see that movie the Skeleton Key? There’s this ‘hoodoo’ thing where if you surround yourself with some powder, no one who wants to harm you can pass. Maybe that was there to keep the smoke monster or something out.
Comment by Dan — May 10, 2007 @ 10:54 am
Tim,
I am pretty sure Kelvin and maybe Radzinsky didn’t get there until after the Purge. DHARMA had to keep the Swan manned (and protected from the Hostiles) as not pushing the button would, you know, destroy the world, and no one seemed to know what would happen if the failsafe key were turned.
Comment by Paula Abdul Alhazred — May 10, 2007 @ 11:11 am
I have to say, Ben is not afraid of Jacob. His style of speech toward Jacob was that of a peer. They interrupted each other in their “conversation” and Ben did not act as if he were Jacob’s leader, nor did Ben submit to anything Jacob countered with (whatever that was). It also seemed to me that Ben expected Jacob’s violent reaction, and Ben even retaliated by “pushing” Jacob back. And with this “push”, Ben shouted, “That’s enough! You’ve had your fun!” Fun? Oh, yes, Ben and Jacob know each other very well.
Also, biblically, Jacob was indeed the evil twin of Esau and tricked his father into giving him Esau’s birthright. God, however, did allow that blessing to stay with Jacob. God changed Jacob’s name to “Israel” and Benjamin, one of Jacob’s 12 sons, was one of the twelve tribes of Israel.
Work that one out!!
Comment by dmbrowne — May 10, 2007 @ 11:22 am
Do we have any idea of the time between the purge and present day on the island? Also how much time between seeing Inman in Sayid’s flashback and him being on the island.
Comment by thenumbersarebad — May 10, 2007 @ 11:33 am
This is starting to remind me of King’s “The Dark Tower Series” (thank you Merlboroman). The tower is a nexus between all planes/worlds. Perhaps the area where the powder encircles is the exact, pinpointed place between two worlds (the island itself is the nexus). It is widely thought that other planes of existence exist on different frequencies. It is believed that sometimes ghosts are visitors from a higher frequency. Some psychics refer to this higher frequency plane of existence as heaven.
All the biblical metaphors within LOST have me thinking of characters. If the main characters are God, Satan, Jesus, Eden, and Moses (at least the most widely recognized), then there would certainly be parallels to the characters on the show.
God= Jacob
Satan= Ben (trying to take God’s kingdom)
Jesus= Locke or Jack
Eden= the island
Moses= Locke or Jack
If Christian turns out to be Jacob, then Jack would certainly be a metaphorical Jesus (a savior). Locke would then be the man to lead his people from the island. An interesting point on Locke being a metaphorical Jesus is that he was told he was an immaculate conception by his mother, and we don’t know for sure that Cooper was truly his father. This could have easily been part of his con. Science vs. faith, dark vs. light, and biblical metaphors have all played big rolls in LOST. I believe it will all come down to an apocalypse. If the light wins we are saved. If the dark wins, the island is destroyed along with all planes/worlds that it’s the nexus of…
Comment by cap10tripps — May 10, 2007 @ 11:34 am
Everyone seems to miss the fact that young ben met a Richard in pirate gear in the jungle. Ive watched it a few times and im pretty sure it is actually really old clothes. Plus on the top of it pirates used mascara too!
I think the story of the black rock will play a major part!
Comment by YARR — May 10, 2007 @ 11:35 am
Here are some of my theories of Jacob:
-Is it possible that when Jacob said “help me”, he was just foreshadowing what Locke would say later? His voice was raspy and weak, just like Locke’s was as he was lying in the pit. Is it possible that Jacob wasn’t asking for help, but was rather trying to warn Locke?
-Part of me thinks that Ben never really believed in the existence of Jacob. Almost like how some people will say that they don’t believe in God and will seemingly taunt him (like when Ben was pretending to talk down to Jacob) and then they’re completely shocked when something happens. Like, maybe when they went to the shack, he had some other sinister plan up his sleeve that involved him pretending to have a conversation with someone he doesn’t believe exists. And then he was totally shocked that not only did Jacob speak to Locke, but then he started raising hell.
-I think that Jacob may be the smoke monster (who I think has already taken on the forms of Jack’s dad, Walt, Yemi, Kate’s horse, Ben’s mom, and possibly Locke’s dad).
-Everyone keeps talking about Jacob asking Locke to help him escape from Ben. C’mon guys, if we’ve learned anything from Lost it is not to assume anything. His “help me” could have been in reference to anything, not just escaping from that shack/the ring of ash.
-I really like the theories of Jacob either being Jack’s dad or Magnus Hanso.
Comment by Annie — May 10, 2007 @ 11:37 am
So how did Dharma build all the stations and everything with the hostiles there? Can we refer to the “others” as the Hostiles? The Natives? And what is their agenda anyway? What do Cindy and the kids think is going on? Locke must survive! He has to survive his wounds and challenge Ben for leadership! Also wondering, does something happen if dead bodies are left on the island? Ben said to leave his father where he died. Didn’t the Others put Colleen’s body on the water? Maybe Smokey takes over the body’s when they are left out on the island, which would explain Jack’s dad and Eko’s brother.
Comment by thenumbersarebad — May 10, 2007 @ 11:49 am
THE OTHER EXPLANATION NOBODY IS MENTIONING: the reason Ben asks Locke what Jacob said to him is not because Ben can no longer hear Jacob, he is simply confirming that Locke, indeed, could hear what Jacob said too. Both of them can hear Jacob.
Comment by DesmondRules — May 10, 2007 @ 11:52 am
tnt doesnt contain gunpowder, it contains liquid or gel nitroglycerin (sp?)
Comment by ganteye — May 10, 2007 @ 12:05 pm
Also Mikahl is supposedly an ex Solider, why doesnt he fight back with Locke? Surely he has a greater expertise in fighting than Locke does..
Isn’t it obvious? He blindsided him.
Comment by dapete — May 10, 2007 @ 12:05 pm
Just go to http://www.thehansofoundation.org
they have a big picture of Alvar right on that page. That pic of Jacob could be him.
Comment by Elephants Gerald — May 10, 2007 @ 12:19 pm
Firstly, I do feel rather vindicated that Naomi was not working with the others and was merely babbling. I know this has nothing to do with the current discussion, but I had to say it.
Secondly, the black rock theory actually makes sense because of the hatred of technology. The idea being that Magnus Hanso, or whomever, being a disembodied spirit being trapped on the island would explain his distaste for technology. Because, of course, being constantly reminded of the passage of time would be rather disheartening. Or, he finds it terrifying because he’s from olden times and would think it’s some sort of withcraft. (seriously) The only real problem with the theory, though, would be why a pirate ghost gives a damn about the others. But, if Richard was on the ship, why wouldn’t he know about Jacob? (I guess he couldn’t pass the ash circle either if this was the case) Oh, and how do pirate ghosts (Richard) get to Portland and get managerial positions in (probably fake) fertility research companies?
In closing, am I the only person that thinks the purge may raise a few questions about what was going on with Kelvin and his being in the hatch for all those years? (Idea being that if anyone else from Dharma survived the purge wouldn’t they know that you need to keep people pressing that button…or not *Lost noise*)
Finally, I’m torn because when I originally watched the episode I thought it was pretty bad ass. I’m just afraid that the answers to the new questions may be a bit much. Hopefully not though. But, someone thought ‘Expose’ was a solid plot for an entire episode so I can’t say that the creators are infallible.
Comment by B — May 10, 2007 @ 12:26 pm
BEN CAN’T HEAR JACOB! Ben is a liar. The fake conversation he was staging for Locke was completely out of step with the ‘help me’. Both in topic and tone. Ben was acting like Jacob was speaking fast and interrupting him, but when Jacob actually speaks it is very slow.
Comment by Drakoi — May 10, 2007 @ 12:29 pm
And the nose looks too ‘bulbous’ to be Locke. I think it’s John Malkovic…
Comment by Drakoi — May 10, 2007 @ 12:30 pm
I’m leaning toward Annie’s assessment: that Ben did not believe that Jacob exists. His conversation to the chair seemed contrived, far too fast-paced and very made up: too soon into the discussion, Ben asked John if he did not see anyone in the chair, as if Ben were trying to play tricks with John’s head. John didn’t fall for it, though, constantly putting Ben in his place calling him a liar, etc.
Perhaps the rumble, earthquake and retaliatory push were staged, too. However, Ben certainly did not expect John to “hear” Jacob, as Ben himself did not hear the “Help me” plea!
Comment by dmbrowne — May 10, 2007 @ 12:33 pm
And why are you guys so invested in Christian? Is it his name, are you jesus freaks and reading to much into the bible’s contribution to english literature? He’s dead jack! Let it go. He’s a minor character who might get one or at most two more guest appearances when he has an affair with Jack’s wife. His only significance to the story is in Jack’s relationship to him. so what that he appeared on the island? Everybody seems to see a vision of somebody or something. He’s not important.
Comment by Drakoi — May 10, 2007 @ 12:36 pm
I love your second point. Maybe the reason Ben is so surprised isn’t that he thought he was the only one who could hear Jacob, but because he thought Jacob wasn’t real in the first place. He went in intending to fake it and got more than he bargained for (sort of the same way Mrs. Klugh allowed as how they’d bitten off more than they could chew with Walt).
Maybe if the powder was intended to contain Jacob, it was laid down long ago and, like many religious traditions, is maintained by people who only know they’re supposed to do it and don’t really have any idea why.
Comment by Tim J. — May 10, 2007 @ 12:40 pm
Damon and Carlton have clearly stated that we should be looking more into the fact that Christian’s body has not been found. Coupled with the fact that Jacob’s profile looks a bit like John Terry there is plenty of signifigance here. The biblical references coupled with the fact that his name is Christian Shepherd also lends plenty of signifigance. The fact that we may be looking into all of this considering there is quite a bit in a name within LOST does not mean we’re Jesus freaks, Jack. There is plenty of validity in our inquiries…
Comment by cap10tripps — May 10, 2007 @ 1:00 pm
NO!!! locke said ‘help me’ twice! If ben knew what jacob said he would have understood the first time!
Comment by Drakoi — May 10, 2007 @ 1:03 pm
Drakoi,
I am SO glad to see somebody say that!! Folks are putting WAY to much into the whole Christian Sheppard idea!
Comment by EasyGoer — May 10, 2007 @ 1:04 pm
IT’S NOT GUN POWDER! IT’S NOT PLACED BY DANIELLE.
a) if she had put it there Ben would have not acted like he knew about it.
b) Dynamite uses a fuse not gun powder.
c) gun powder is only explosive if you compact it in pressure vessel. placed on the ground like that it would only burn in a flash but not do any serious damage to anything.
also, I would have bought the ‘death by poisionous gas thing if there had actually been gas canisters strewn about the grounds… but maybe the hostiles had decided to pick them up and were returning from the garbage can before picking up the bodies…
Comment by Drakoi — May 10, 2007 @ 1:09 pm
sorry, that last comment may have been a bit harsh. my point is that christian’s body disappearing has about the same significance as yemi’s body disappearing or Vincent wandering off. So Darlton said something once long ago in a vague manner to tease the audience without really giving any information that something might be more than it appears to be. Uhuh.
And so a doctor from america who has a penchant for affairs but no apparent connection to the island is suddenly GOD because his name reminds people of a charlatan who fools the mindless followers who can’t think for themselves or protect themselves.
I think the fact that Jack’s name is Shepard is more important than his father’s name.
Comment by Drakoi — May 10, 2007 @ 1:17 pm
sorry, that last comment may have been a bit harsh. my point is that christian’s body disappearing has about the same significance as yemi’s body disappearing or Vincent wandering off. So Darlton said something once long ago in a vague manner to tease the audience without really giving any information that something might be more than it appears to be. Uhuh.
And so a doctor from america who has a penchant for affairs but no apparent connection to the island is suddenly GOD because his name reminds people of a charlatan who fools the mindless followers who can’t think for themselves or protect themselves.
I think the fact that Jack’s name is Shepard is more important than his father’s name.
Comment by Drakoi — May 10, 2007 @ 1:18 pm
I thought that the right side of the face would be Jacobs, however, when you still the picture, it appears to be Locke’s profile as he hesitates going out the door and really wondering if he really heard what he thought he heard. It appears to be a profile of Locke to me.
Comment by Luddles — May 10, 2007 @ 1:23 pm
I agree, Ben is totally NUTS!! All the whispering is similar to a Schizophrenic episode. Ben has been made to appear just on “the edge” of sanity. He certainly could have made all of the events happening in the cabin happen on his own. (like throwing himself backwards). He could not hear Jacob because that was one of his other personalities!
Comment by Luddles — May 10, 2007 @ 1:29 pm
Gunpower, flash of light? keeps Jacob coralled.
Flashlight light represents truth and the seeing eye through the darkness.
Lost, Jacob, Bens mother, all Lost Souls.
Is it me or does it look like Jacob has had a major head injury, labotomoy or trepidation gone wrong. Maybe there are brains in the formaldehide jars.
just ideas.
Ben, was welcomed by the other side. Alpert who represents the timeless figure of death. Think Julia’s situations, Locke’s fathers, everyone.
Comment by Kelly — May 10, 2007 @ 1:43 pm
I have believed for some time that Smokey was magnetically controlled metal dust, like the fine shavings you get when you run a magnet through sand. Now I’m more convinced. That line of gray “dirt” that Locke inspected in TMBTC episode IS Smokey while at rest. Smokey is magnetically activated and controlled. That is why he/it couldn’t tolerate the guardian fence.
Comment by Wolfie — May 10, 2007 @ 1:48 pm
Could Jacob be Locke’s “twin” either literally or somehow a reflection of him created by the island?
1. He doesn’t get up out of the chair (paralyzed?)
2. Bibilical reference to Jacob - Jacob and Easu were twin brothers of Isaac (son of Abraham) and Rebekah. The bible says that Easu (Locke) was a very good hunter. He also traded his “birthright” (God’s special blessing) for a bowl of soup that Jacob made. Easu had less faith than Jacob which is why he gave it away so frivolously.
Who the hell is Richard? Why doesn’t he age????
Comment by smooch — May 10, 2007 @ 1:52 pm
It is Terence Stamp.
Don’t say, “No it isn’t.” Because it IS!
If you say, “Whose Terence Stamp?” (Well… shame on you!) Terence Stamp is General Zod in Superman 2, also in Star Wars as Chancellor Valorum, also in Haunted Mansion (with Marsha Thomason who plays Naomi,) he was also in Alias (JJ Abrams’ friend?)
It is most definitely without a doubt Terence Stamp. Spread the word and credit me!
Comment by 7ate9 — May 10, 2007 @ 1:57 pm
Drakoi,
Religious imagery has been used in Literature (not just English by the way), movies, tv, and just about any other entertainment media you can imagine for a long time. It’s a mechanism that allows the viewer, reader, etc. to connect to the story. Most people don’t realize the religious allegory that permeates their media. Just like when most people saw the Matrix, they didn’t know that Neo was a “Christ-figure”. There are a ton of examples of Christ-figures in movies and books. Honestly, most writers use these images to reinforce character and also to show everyone how clever they are as opposed to pushing some religious agenda. It gets even “cleverer” when you consider that Jack is a nickname for John. John the Baptist anyone? With a name like Christian Sheppard, who happens to be our protagonists father, one could infer that Jack might one day sacrifice himself to save his people. With some of the lazy writing they’ve thrown at us lately, I wouldn’t be surprised if that was somebodies “good” idea. It seems that most names being used by the writers have fairly deep connections to individuals that have lived in the past, as opposed to ideas or themes inherent in a character’s name. In my opinion, “Christian Sheppard” is a pretty lazy example of imagery. Like calling a character “Smokey McPot”. But don’t mistake this for some conservative conspiracy to shove religion down our collective throats.
Comment by Higdon — May 10, 2007 @ 1:59 pm
TPTB did not say this in a vague manner. When asked if we should be looking more into the disappearance of Christian’s body they said, “Yes.”
Comment by cap10tripps — May 10, 2007 @ 2:02 pm
roger linus’ jumpsuit had the swan logo
Comment by deelosticious — May 10, 2007 @ 2:06 pm
Drakoi:
Cap10 is correct and they did not say it “once long ago.” They said it within the past month.
Comment by gusteaux — May 10, 2007 @ 2:31 pm
even dynamite from a mid 19th century slave ship?
Comment by k.inman — May 10, 2007 @ 3:29 pm
Ben was faking. Maybe he could hear Jacob in the past, maybe not.
Here’s a theory: maybe Ben is a schizo, and when he ran away from his dad his mind snapped and he started seeing things like his mother (people have already mentioned MPD and the fact that schizophrenia develops after a trauma to act as a defense; in this case, Ben hallucinates his mother alive, so he doesn’t have to feel guilty of killing her). Then he meets Richard (a real “timeless” native, or an ageless castaway from the Black Rock), and tells him that he saw his mother. Richard knows that the island is capable of showing people things like this, but only if they are special. He begins to believe that Ben is special because the island showed Ben his mother, not realizing that Ben isn’t special, he’s just nucking futz. He tells Ben that his “timeless” people somehow need Ben to communicate with Jacob for them, and shows him the cabin, but Ben never sees Jacob. Nevertheless, he rules in Jacob’s name for a time under the guise of working toward whatever Mittelos Bioscience’s (the real others) goals are, although he uses DHARMA’s equipment against Jacob’s wishes. Still broken because of the guilt he harbors for “killing his mother”, he becomes obsessed with the idea of procreation on the island, and abuses the island’s power and DHARMA’s resources until Jacob gets so infuriated that he manifests himself to Ben. Ben becomes frightened by this display of power, sneakily gathers info about Jacob from Richard, and manages to secretly trap Jacob in the cabin in the jungle. He needs to consult “Jacob” from time to time to maintain his illusion, which he does nicely until flight 815 crashes. Ultimately he tries to trick Locke, but Jacob reveals himself to Locke, much to Ben’s horror.
But that’s just a theory, maybe complete B.S.
What is true is that Jacob totally has to be contained by that ring of (I think) volcanic ash. But the disturbing thing is the fact that if that ring is used to contain an entity, it is a part of a summoning ritual. Reminiscent of what Ben said: Jacob isn’t the sort of man you go see; he is that sort of man that “summons you”. Remember pretty much everything Ben says is a lie or a manipulation, but he also gives people enough truth to leave himself some credibility. Jacob is definitely trapped somehow, but maybe John and Ben are the ones out of phase with reality, not the other way around. Maybe when they crossed that ring, they entered a different realm.
But maybe not.
For those people that think Richard hasn’t really aged, Ben made a specific point to mention the fact that Richard may not even remember what birthdays are. He doesn’t age.
@bdub - Good call on the Locke-Mikhail alliance. That had never occurred to me but it holds a lot of water. We know that Mikhail is not above helping the survivors in order to save his own skin, maybe he gave John a little info and struck a minor deal with him.
lol @ everyone who thinks there is some kind of animal on Jacob’s shoulder… Priceless. Talk about seeing what you want to see. It’s not enough that they show you a flash of the dude with 19th century clothes who talks like he’s existing at a different speed and who phases in and out of visibility, along with showing you his apparent telekinetic powers, but now you have to claim that they add a pirate monkey to his shoulder?! ROFL, what’s next? Jesus’s face in his curly locks of hair?
It’s hair. Get over it.
Comment by Matt — May 10, 2007 @ 4:12 pm
well it seems to me that if ben is the only one who can talk to or see jacob, and ben choose to kill his father, and through all that became the leader of the others, and he has some special connection to the island (seeing his mom, seeing jacob) and when locke shows up (with special connection to the island) all the people see him as special and think hes going to do something. I think that maybe he’s expected to replace ben, who everyone fears might die of his spinal cancer, and thats why he had to kill his dad, as a test to see if hes as strong willed as ben, and thats why when he didn’t kill him, ben said hes not who we think he is. I also think that ben doesn’t actually want to be usurped by locke, and he brings him to jacob to prove locke isn’t so special, and thats why he sort of feigns suprise when locke can’t see or hear jacob. that’s also why hes so suprised when jacob talks to locke, and maybe that makes ben realize that locke actually potentially could replace him as the leader, and since he doesn’t want to be replaced, he kills locke.
Comment by danman — May 10, 2007 @ 4:19 pm
That is a great silly face that Linderman made in the screen cap… it’s amazing that Heroes is allowing him to appear in another network’s show. This is ground-breaking stuff, people.
Linderman is quite a success story, too. Going all the way from being a workman for the Dharma Initiative to owning a company of his own so powerful that it can fix a presidential election? The American dream, right.
Comment by DesmondRules — May 10, 2007 @ 5:26 pm
Clearly, the shoulder monkey is a manifestation of Locke’s inner psyche. His evil twin (aka Jacob) kidnapped the monkey from the black rock, and used it as a bargaining chip in obtaining munitions to weaponize the natives. When the Swan blew up, he became able to shift dimensions on a limited basis, which made him hate himself for utilizing Dharma technology, which as a manifestation of modern science, he intrinsically loathes.
All of this is predicated on the fact that Jacob is the son of Ben Linus and Rousseau. Rousseau identified Ben’s capabilities at an early age, realized what he was capable of becoming, and seduced him to produce a child capable of someday defeating the tyrant that Ben would become. However, having twins threw a wrench in to her plans. Now, while there is still a son to overthrow him, there is also a son who could potentially follow in his foot steps… and I think we all see the implications this has toward Desmond and his predestination delusions.
What we should all be asking ouselves is: who has the most to gain or lose from the removal or loss of a toe, and what power this could lend or take away from ALL the inhabitants of the island. Flash forward to the season finale, the “snake in the mailbox” if you will, and think about the manor in which snakes eat, and how total immersion of prey into the predator resounds with the quintessential themes of the entire mythology of Lost.
Mittleos Bioscience is more corrupt than you could ever have imagined! Be warned!
Comment by ShoulderMonkey — May 10, 2007 @ 5:40 pm
I drop knowledge like it’s toxic! Peace on the Lost Beach, y’all! Peace on the Lost Beach!
Comment by ShoulderMonkey — May 10, 2007 @ 5:43 pm
Whoa, crazy theory, ShoulderMonkey! If I were dropping acid, I might think it made no sense at all! But since I’ve been clean for 6 weeks, I realize it actually makes no sense at all! Except the bits about Rousseau, Jacob, Ben, Desmond, snakes, and Mittelos Bioscience.
Comment by Walt_vs._Michael — May 10, 2007 @ 5:47 pm
Based on that theory, ShoulderMonkey, it’s obvious you must have gotten an exclusive interview with the writers of Lost, discovered all the secrets of the show, promptly forgot them during a night out doing straight shots of Absolut Peppar, and then pieced together a fragmented, nonsensical narrative that accidentally and indirectly, guessed, CORRECTLY, exactly what is going on in the show! Keep the truth-bombs coming, my good friend. Keep the assault of reality headed straight in my direction!
Comment by Mr.FriendlyPlaysForTheOtherTeam — May 10, 2007 @ 5:52 pm
i’m a lost fan but i was a bit pissed at this ep, they did jump the shark and never revealed who jacob was and i was disappointed in the level of operation of the dharma initiative being just a bunch of hippies, i wish i’d just stuck with the youtube vids fake or real,a bit of a come down from the psychology orientation video
Comment by nick — May 10, 2007 @ 5:54 pm
Anyone ever think that Lost is actually a reality show in which a bunch of Hollywood stars were stranded on a desert island, and everything we’re seeing is actually happening!
Me neither. But if the Hanso Foundation can be that ruthless, as to manipulate time and attempt to altar the course of humanity, well, then 6 numbers might be the answer that everyone who watches Lost has been searching for their entire lives, almost as though we are all living on a giant island, on which things that seem almost impossible happen continuously, and we swallow it down, like a straight shot of Ice 151, thinking “things are gonna change, I can feel it”, when in reality it might just be gastric indigestion, psychic empathic messages, or even a cold dose of medicine… either way, everything we see, by being seen, is real, and as such, deserves to be recognized as real and existing in the continuum we call time and all its rational and IRrational acquaintenances, like the number 0, 4 toed statues, and air shows with invisible jets. Wake up, is what I say, and smell the Dharma excrement for what it really is, the remains of a formerly majestic scientific endeavor, fallen upon financial difficulties that has resorted to recounting its exploits in the form of a fictional narrative, broadcast weekly on ABC, A (Mittelos) Bioscience Company… it’s so incestuous it should be illegal, but it’s just so gosh darn entertaining… who could say no, definitely not me!
Comment by JacobIsTheHostOfARealityShow — May 10, 2007 @ 6:01 pm
If it is indeed a monkey, and we do indeed believe Jacob is enslaved by Ben, then certainly Jacob would have a money on his back, no?
Comment by Annu — May 10, 2007 @ 6:17 pm
Ok, I stand corrected about the time. But that’s a pretty vague answer to a leading question. “Should we be interested in tiny aspects of your show?” YES! “Should we hang on your every egotistical word?” YES! “Are there secrets you haven’t revealed yet?” YES! “Is Christian Shepard DEAD?” YES YES YES
Did anyone ask “Should we be looking more into the disappearance of Yemi’s body?” YES!
Did anyone ask “Should we dig up the graves and check on Boone, Libby, Ana Lucia, etc.” YES!
Personally, I think it’s the disappearance of the body that is the important detail. Not that Jack’s father has anything much more significant to add to the show.
Comment by Drakoi — May 10, 2007 @ 7:11 pm
This is probably a dead thread at this point, but my personal speculation on this is that Christian was never in the casket.
The event of his father’s death was what he used to get on the plane. Remember, he was not supposed to be on that plane. He got the ticket because he pleaded with the airline rep to get him on that plane with his dad’s body. But, I think the casket was empty when loaded on the plane.
He got on because Penny wanted him to get on that plane knowing that its next destination was wherever Desmond is. Jack is the only one not chosen to be on the island.
Comment by TabulaRasa — May 10, 2007 @ 7:24 pm
Don’t you get it. There bodies where found on the plain under the sea. They’re in a place between heaven and hell. A place where “they” decide who goes to hell and who goes to heaven. The black smoke is what people call “Death”. It killed Mr. Ecko because his “brother” didn’t forgive him…so the black smoke kills him and he goes to hell. “It’s a little hot for heaven don’t you think”; as Locke’s father said. Ben is like Satan’s b*tch or something and maybe “Jacob” is God. And that why everybody is still trapped, cause “God” can’t do anything about it. Ben wanted to make sure Locke killed someone (his father) so he would go to hell, but instead Sawyer did it. … think about it (in a bigger picture!)
Comment by JL — May 10, 2007 @ 7:58 pm
Oh yeah, and Jacob’s face also has the silhouette of Ethan Suplee (Randy, My name is Earl) !
Comment by JL — May 10, 2007 @ 8:05 pm
I’ve been thinking on such things. “Shepherd isn’t even on Jacob’s list.” That line seems so important. I heard a section of the whispers on youtube from tHeMisFitIsHerE (or however he spells it) that clearly say, “Jack is Jacob.” Now you never know if that clown is messin with us or not, but I think that possibility is still intact. I don’t think he knows it yet (may have been manipulated by Ms. Widmore). His healing power may also be a clue. Maybe at some point in the future he becomes fused to the island and is stuck in some sort of etheral state. He is trapped against his will though and wants Locke to help him. Just throwing it out there, but your points on Penny and Jack could be very important…
Comment by cap10tripps — May 10, 2007 @ 9:12 pm
What if, Ben is the one keeping Jacob trapped inside that old cabin. What if, Jacob killed Annie? What if, THAT’S why Ben is holding Jacob “prisoner,” because Ben blames Jacob for Annie’s death. Maybe Ben and Annie grew up together and were lovers at some point, but Jacob killed her for some reason, (I’m assuming Jacob IS the Smoke Monster???) and that’s why SHE’S not around amymore. Seems like a good motive for Ben to trap Jacob, seeing as Annie was the only person Ben seemed to care about. I definitely think the ash surrounding Jacob’s cabin is some kind of barrier. And what if, the only reason Jacob hasn’t already killed Ben is because Ben is the only person who knows how to free him? And so Jacob will now rely on Locke to save him, by telling Locke how to remove the barrier. I don’t know, this is just something that popped into my head. Anyone agree?
Comment by Victor — May 10, 2007 @ 10:36 pm
Hey all….here are some interesting thoughts…please tell me what you think.
To me Richard is the most intreging character that is not dead because not only has he not aged, but he also has LEFT the island…even though he apparently was BORN there. He after all recruited Juliet and traveled with her from Miami in the sub to wherever this Island is. So if the island keeps you young and prevents aging….well he has been off the island. I find that interesting. For me though obviously there is a lot of questions to be answered…but The Original Hatch and the numbers has to play an enormous piece of this puzzle that connects the show to both the mainlands and as to what the purpose of that hatch was for. We have seen that they used to be able to communicate directly to “mainlands” with the old station with the dude with the patch on his eye, but the place got screwed up when Dez (my man) turned the key and the sky turned purple.
I am not discounting Jacob, ben, locke, and richard the pimp…but when i watch the season 2 finale…
I get the impression that though Dez thought he was going on a race to fiji…Penny’s father tricked him into to “get lost” and ending up at this island. Penny’s father wanted Dez to get out of his daughter’s life and i think Somehow Penny’s dad is involved with whatever is going down on this island. Afterall, they still (at least pre purple sky) where getting food drops. Which means SOMEONE knows where this “place” is. Dont forget there is some facility in Miami where Juliet said her goodbye to her sister that is/was involved with recruitment. As far as who jacob is…he very well could be someone that is dead that is visible…like ben’s mom, Walt, Yemi, Syeed’s cat, jack’s dad…yada yada.
Now things that are odd that i would like to present…which i’m sure you know
Juliet…in her flashbacks seems pretty nice…What was her evolution to all of a sudden become a REALLY GOOD LIAR. And a kind of badass. And by badass i mean someone that can fakeout/con kate. Kate is the business.
Finally the girl that parachuted to the island. Is now officially the hottest chick on the island.
Comment by Spidey — May 11, 2007 @ 12:32 am
I agree with Stacy, when I first saw the images of Jacob I thought that it was a hood that he was wearing. After looking at pictures of Brother Campbell (lost likes to give first names or last names but sometimes not both) I thought that it could be Brother Jacob Campbell sitting in the chair. This would explain why Desmond has to go to the island, to save Jacob.
Comment by 1miletogo — May 11, 2007 @ 3:19 am
Off the subject of Jacob.
The extra guy with the white beard is the real Richard Alpert. Check out http://www.ramdass.org
Unless i’m getting my self at it and that could well be the case.
anyways
I love this show!
Comment by Robski — May 11, 2007 @ 7:16 am
Did anyone else think of AKIRA when they saw the “Jacob” incident? In that film, the most powerful psychic in the world is dissasembled and put into jars to be saved/studied/controlled. When Locke and Ben entered the house, I saw a bunch of jars of liquids and stuff, and thought “that’s Jacob, he’s in those jars!” He used his telekinesis to reform and communicate with Ben (and Locke) but otherwise is dis-embodied and technically dead. Nuts, right? But it seems like a possibility…
Comment by Charlos — May 11, 2007 @ 7:59 am
I’m sticking with the brother campbell is Jacob. The bottles on the shelf could also be wine from Moriah vineyards, check out some of the interesting facts about moriah vineyards here… http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Moriah
Comment by 1miletogo — May 11, 2007 @ 8:21 am
Who was the guy that young Ben saw in the woods? Wasn’t that Jacob? If so, then Ben really can see/communicate with him. I believe he trapped him with the ash ring around the house and maybe now Jacob doesn’t have enough power to manifest himself in human form. He definitely didn’t want John talking to him for some reason, and I believe John will be healed just like when he arrived on the island.
Comment by trekee35 — May 11, 2007 @ 9:55 am
does anyone wonder when the tsunami is coming? 815 crashed sept 04. 90 days on the island? shouldn’t it, if going by real world happenings, be time for the tsunami of dec 2004. ben confirmed the timeline to jack - bush i wonder if they’re gonna use it or not…
also - look at the computer enhanced pics of jacob - does nobody else think he’s a dead ringer for DENNIS HOPPER????
Comment by chral — May 11, 2007 @ 10:37 am
Jacob looks like Roy Scheider to me. Anyone wonder why Ben needed Locke to start to heal? After he was able to walk he no longer wanted Locke around. Strange. I disagree with theories that Jacob is god because A)god wouldn’t order Ben to kill his people, and B) god is too powerful to be trapped by a ring of volcanic ash. Obviously he is some sort of metaphysical being that is connected to the island and Ben has figured out how to control him. I also think the hostiles are from the Black Rock. If the people on the flight are dead then what about Des or Frenchie? Also dead? The woman in the ring shop told Des he was not supposed to marry penny, he had another purpose. Obviously the people come to the island because they are supposed to. Anyone else ready for the end of the series just to find out what the hell is going on???
Comment by trekee35 — May 11, 2007 @ 11:55 am
Lauren,
I think Jacob is Lockes twin brother. It would explain why Locke was not killed by the smoke monster, why he feels connected to the island, why thier father mysteriously appeared on the island. Don’t you think? Also, if you played the Lost Experience and bought the book Bad Twin like I did, this theory falls into place quite nicely.
Comment by evl-twyn — May 11, 2007 @ 12:13 pm
It can not be Locke. Ben can SEE Jacob, not only hear him… he would notice if it was Locke, dont you think? And things would be quite different.
Comment by Rodrigo — May 11, 2007 @ 12:32 pm
chral, on the 12/26/04 tsunami - check out what was said in the chicago tribune(http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2007/01/lost_producers_.html)
: There will be a big reminder this season that on the island, it
Comment by 1miletogo — May 11, 2007 @ 2:44 pm
See, that’s the thing. I think Ben has been aware of Locke and Jacob being twins for quite sometime. Ben is clearly afraid of Locke possibly because of his relation to Jacob. He agreed to ‘introduce’ Locke to Jacob, why him and no one else? When Locke beats up Mikhail, Ben relents to Lockes request.
Ben loses his power if anyone finds out that Jacob, the supposed true leader, has any relation to Locke, right?
Or maybe there’s more to the twins that only Ben knows. Jacob appears to be trapped, which is why he asks Locke to help him. Maybe Jacob, and possibly Locke, has some power that Ben wants and is keeping it in check with the volcanic ash circle around Jacob. Locke has yet to unlock his full powers, which is why Ben may shot him.
I wonder if Jacob was the one who brought Locke to the island to save him. Maybe the shadow monster is one of Jacobs manifestations which is why when it/he met Locke for the first time, it didn’t kill him.
Just thowing in some idea’s…
Comment by evl-twyn — May 11, 2007 @ 2:48 pm
One other thing I was thinking about which may have been brought up before.
The name Jacob means ‘he who supplants’. So does the names Jack and James.
Jacob also means ‘holder of the heal’ which is based off a biblical story about twin brothers Jacob and Esau. Esau sold his birthright to his twin brother Jacob for a bowl of stew
The name John means ‘gift of god’. John the baptist awoke Jesus to his true calling when he baptised him. This all fits in sort of with the twin theory and hidden power that has yet to manifest within John.
Again, just throwing things out there.
Comment by evl-twyn — May 11, 2007 @ 3:05 pm
Don’t know if anyone has seen this video, it is news coverage of the 815 crash, the reporter says that the plane that naomi mentioned was found off the southern end of the island of bali south of Indonesia…
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1xrhc_lost-found-oceanic-815
Comment by 1miletogo — May 11, 2007 @ 3:08 pm
I STILL THINK THAT THE LOSTIES ARE NOT DEAD. THE SO CALLED DISCOVERY OF FLIGHT 815 ON THE OCEAN FLOOR IS A FAKE. SO THAT PEOPLE WILL STOP LOOKING FOR THEM.
Comment by RUMPELSTILTSKIN — May 11, 2007 @ 7:48 pm
I agree rumpelstiltskin, the plane would have broken up and had some damage to the plane. It was definitly staged to stop people from looking for the plane and finding the island
Comment by 1miletogo — May 11, 2007 @ 8:08 pm
Annie - I’m assuming she died somewhere inbetween Young Ben and Old Ben and we’ll see it in another flashback.
Volcanoes/ash at Jacob’s house - Didn’t they say there used to be a volcano on the island years ago?
The Dharma Initiative was already explained online, wasn’t it? That they were trying to change the Valenzetti Equation that predicts the date of the end of the world, and there was something like 6 ways the world could end and 6 things they had to research and I’m not exactly sure how it worked but something along those lines.
Jacob - I think he has something to do with Smokey. Maybe Smokey can’t cross the ash? Or he feeds on it?
I also was wondering how the Others managed to raise the money to recruit people back in the States.
And HOW has Rosseau never come across Jacob’s house when she’s been on the island for 14 years? I mean, she goes all around the island and she doesn’t know about it?
And Kate is pregnant, as Juliet gave away on the tape recorder.
Kay - Ben was sitting with his father in the VW on his birthday, and his Dad mentioned something about remembering his birthday the next year. And Ben said I don’t think so, pulled a gas mask on, and released some sort of deadly gas into the car. Ben then went back to the camp where the rest of the “Hostiles” (as opposed to the Dharma Initiative) had gassed everyone else.
After listening to the tape, Juliet said something along the lines of how they’re going to burn her at the stake, but turn over the tape first, so Sawyer did. It was a message from Ben asking Juliet to do it, and that they would be raiding the camp in two days to get the pregnant women. Juliet then said she wasn’t on Ben’s side and that Jack already knew and was trying to figure out what to do about it.
I thought maybe Ben asked Locke to tell him what he said just to check that Locke could actually hear him, but when Locke is lying in the grave, he says “HELP ME” and Ben says “What does he say!” So if Ben already knew, he would have realised when Locke said “Help me” that that was what he meant, surely?
Hey - thats a good point about maybe Ben not knowing that Jacob is invisible! Did Ben actually say that hes invisible? I’m sure he did but I can’t remember.
If Locke is Jacob, it makes sense that Ben was talking down to him, despite still fearing him.
I don’t know if its true, but I liked the idea of Jacob foreshadowing Locke saying “Help me” in the pit. Maybe he is like Smokey and reads memories/whats to come. Or, maybe Jacob doesn’t actually want help and is just messing with Locke.
Maybe certain Hostiles can’t die? Maybe Jacob is as close to being dead as he can be, like a Voldemort thing.
If all the Dharma people were killed, maybe none of the Hostiles knew about the hatch, so therefore didn’t bother with Kelvin. The destruction of the hatch might mean that anyone can get onto the island now, and maybe they didn’t know that either, which is why Ben was so shocked to hear a lady got onto the island.
And I agree with maybe Ben not being able to hear Jacob at all…maybe the “leader” of the Others is meant to be the only one who can speak to Jacob, so Ben pretends he can in order to stay leader, and knowing that Locke can TRULY hear him has ruined his plan.
Wolfie - LOVE the idea that Smokey is magnetically controlled metal dust. That would make so much sense, I’m sure if you ran that through someone really fast it would kill them. And that line being Smokey at work is cool!
And I like the idea that Ben is schitzo and that is how he came to be their leader, because they believed he actually did see his Mum. So Ben would fake seeing Jacob until Locke actually DID see him. And if Ben can’t see Jacob, then he wouldn’t know he looked like Locke.
I definately think the tsuanmi will be the shakeup…I mean, why else would they remind us of the date, and the finale is spread over two episodes.
Comment by Jem — May 11, 2007 @ 9:43 pm
Yeah, his clothing is definitely far outdated. I saw a post where someone mentioned the “natives” perhaps having landed on The Black Rock. I bet he was with them, judging by his garb.
Comment by Mike — May 11, 2007 @ 11:21 pm
I just don’t see this being John Locke’s profile. Idaknow..
Comment by Mike — May 11, 2007 @ 11:27 pm
Jacob seems to be Alvar Hanso. Look at his photo here:
http://www.thehansofoundation.org/
Comment by businesscontacts — May 12, 2007 @ 1:41 pm
OMG U GUYS ARE STUPIDD!!!!
the black “smoke” lock was picking up
umm…yeah. not smoke. it was danielle russo’s (the french lady’s) dynamite trail.
REMEMEMBER SHE NEEDED DYNAMITE IN THE LAST EPISODE…
but what for???
NOW WE NO. SHE KNOWS ABOUT JACOB
AND OBVIOUSLY DOESNT LIKE HIM;
THEREFORE TRYING TO BLOW HIM & HIS CABIN THINGY UP.
durrr.
Comment by LEXIE && MIMI — May 12, 2007 @ 4:01 pm
OMG U GUYS ARE STUPIDD!!!!
the black “smoke” lock was picking up
umm…yeah. not smoke. it was danielle russo’s (the french lady’s) dynamite trail.
REMEMEMBER SHE NEEDED DYNAMITE IN THE LAST EPISODE…
but what for???
NOW WE NO. SHE KNOWS ABOUT JACOB
AND OBVIOUSLY DOESNT LIKE HIM;
THEREFORE TRYING TO BLOW HIM & HIS CABIN THINGY UP.
durrr.
Comment by LEXIE && MIMI — May 12, 2007 @ 4:01 pm
the black “smoke” lock was picking up umm…yeah. not smoke. it was danielle russo’s (the french lady’s) dynamite trail.
REMEMEMBER SHE NEEDED DYNAMITE IN THE LAST EPISODE…but what for???
NOW WE NO. SHE KNOWS ABOUT JACOB AND OBVIOUSLY DOESNT LIKE HIM;THEREFORE TRYING TO BLOW HIM & HIS CABIN THINGY UP. durrr.
Comment by LEXIE && MIMI — May 12, 2007 @ 4:02 pm
the black “smoke” lock was picking up umm…yeah. not smoke. it was danielle russo’s (the french lady’s) dynamite trail.
REMEMEMBER SHE NEEDED DYNAMITE IN THE LAST EPISODE…but what for???
NOW WE NO. SHE KNOWS ABOUT JACOB AND OBVIOUSLY DOESNT LIKE HIM;THEREFORE TRYING TO BLOW HIM & HIS CABIN THINGY UP. durrr.
Comment by LEXIE && MIMI — May 12, 2007 @ 4:02 pm
the black “smoke” lock was picking up umm…yeah. not smoke. it was danielle russo’s (the french lady’s) dynamite trail.
REMEMEMBER SHE NEEDED DYNAMITE IN THE LAST EPISODE…but what for???
NOW WE NO. SHE KNOWS ABOUT JACOB AND OBVIOUSLY DOESNT LIKE HIM;THEREFORE TRYING TO BLOW HIM & HIS CABIN THINGY UP. durrr.
Comment by LEXIE && MIMI — May 12, 2007 @ 4:02 pm
the black “smoke” lock was picking up umm…yeah. not smoke. it was danielle russo’s (the french lady’s) dynamite trail.
REMEMEMBER SHE NEEDED DYNAMITE IN THE LAST EPISODE…but what for???
NOW WE NO. SHE KNOWS ABOUT JACOB AND OBVIOUSLY DOESNT LIKE HIM;THEREFORE TRYING TO BLOW HIM & HIS CABIN THINGY UP. durrr.
Comment by LEXIE && MIMI — May 12, 2007 @ 4:02 pm
The answers are right in front of you!
1) Jacob is the old man that is seen twice in the photos posted above the one with the gray hair.
2) The powder around Jacob’s house is a poweder to keep Jacob in the area. Think of it like a vampire and garlic
Comment by Jon — May 12, 2007 @ 6:26 pm
Jacobs ‘outburst’ in the shack could be the manifestation of some sort of remote controlled electromagnetic pulse device triggered by either Ben or Jacob for now unknown reasons. The ‘ash-like’ substance that seemed to encircle the shack could be a clue to why Jacob is possibly confined to the shack. Jacob may in fact be a prisoner, which may explain why he utters the words “help me”. Jacob may have been the top dog before being ‘confined’ to his imprisoned state by Ben.
Comment by enigma — May 12, 2007 @ 10:41 pm
I don’t think the ash (looked like sand to me) was Smokey’s trail.. it never left a trail before, why would they bring that it now?
Comment by savepace — May 13, 2007 @ 4:44 am
take a look at the back wall of jacob’s shack throughout the scene, there is a face like apparition that nobody but nobody has commented on, which given the generally obsessive nature of LOST fans surprises me ! If there is a simple explanation for this then i apologise but i’d love to know what it is, thanks !
Comment by rocket boy — May 13, 2007 @ 3:24 pm
Without a doubt Locke and Mikail are in cahoot with eachother. Locke stated himself that he wasnt capable of murder hence he got Sawyer to take his Dad out. Locke had 2 attempts at killing Mikail and failed. Just coincidence that the power was turned down on the pylons when Locke pushed him through them? And they did spend a lot of time together in the Flame before Locke’s 1st ‘murder’ attempt. Any connection between Niaomi and Michael and Walt? Just a thought..
Comment by Uncle Ron — May 14, 2007 @ 2:44 am
Where did that footage come from of the Oceanic flight wreckage?? Was it on an episode of Lost that i missed ?!?!?
Comment by Uncle Ron — May 14, 2007 @ 3:08 am
I recently found out that the flight wreckage news cast was fan made, and not made by the Lost crew.
Comment by 1miletogo — May 14, 2007 @ 3:47 am
I think that Richard and Alex know that Ben was going to shoot Locke, and that is why Alex gave him the gun, and there was the exchange of dirty looks between Ben and ALex.
Comment by row — May 14, 2007 @ 10:22 am
whatever dumbass thought that the picture of the dog looked like vincent must think all black people and asians look alike too - absolutely no resemblance - different breed of dog altogether - certain people should be banned from these chat rooms.
Comment by staggerlee — May 14, 2007 @ 2:59 pm
I captured a screen shot when I thought I saw an actual person sitting in the rocking chair, and my first thought was that it was the character actor Anthony Zerbe, with long hair and a beard.
Comment by Check Out This Photo of Zerbe — May 14, 2007 @ 5:21 pm
Also, the item on the head of Jacob (in the screen shot), makes me think of the two feathers you often see in images of a Native American warrior.
Comment by Image of Feathers — May 14, 2007 @ 5:36 pm
Jacob is elvis..
Comment by deeko — May 15, 2007 @ 4:45 am
i think jacob is jacks dad because when jack opened the coffin with his dads body in there was no body. And His dad has been in almost everyones story. Jacks, Sawyers, Hurlys, And he is claires dad please discuss
Comment by Sam — May 16, 2007 @ 6:09 am
Ok, so have we all decided Jacob is a “bald guy wearing wig? and he does resemble Kris…
Maybe after Locke escapes the island he takes up an acting career under the alias “Kris Kristofferson”, then gets into then with all the money he makes from his acting career, builds a time machine in order to… i dunno, save the rest of the flight??
LMAO i love blogging…
Also a little hole in the Ben is Jacob theory… Why did he have to shoot Locke to find out what jacob said..? Hmm… i bet at one time Ben could see and commune with Jacob, now he can’t… thats why he shot Locke.
Comment by Bam — May 16, 2007 @ 6:24 am
good theory, but locke has seen the ghost of boone, Eko saw his brother and Ben saw his mom… i think the ghosts are pulled to the island much like the castaways to fill in plot holes and to help explain the absoloutly mind boggling, confusing finish.
You know it will make no sense… lol.
Plus, i still think everyone is dead stuck in limbo.
Comment by Bam — May 16, 2007 @ 6:30 am
native americans with feathers sticking up out of there headbands… lol@racial stereotyping.
Yanks are funny…
Hey Maw’ Redskins’
Comment by JMount — May 16, 2007 @ 6:36 am
I believe that “Jacob” is actually Christian Shepard, Jack’s father. He was, after all, on board the plane when it went down…in a casket, but on the plane nonetheless. The still frame certainly looks like Jack’s father to me.
Comment by JArn — May 16, 2007 @ 10:50 am
Whoever it is…wow. Do we know that Locke acutally saw him? We know he heard him but did Locke see him? I have looked at the clip several times and it appears that Locke sees the same glimpse of Jacob that we do. As mentioned in a post above you also see the eye of Jacob briefly so he is definatly there. But later Locke denies seeing anyone to Ben and putts off the shaking and things being thrown around as a trick by Ben or the real Jacob. Locke thinks Ben says “help me.” All in all Locke heard Jacob and Ben did not. Could it still be split personality disorder. Severe case mind you but curious nonetheless.
Comment by fancentric — May 17, 2007 @ 12:05 am
Ben has never seen Jacob!
Comment by john — May 17, 2007 @ 5:15 am
Consider this.
1. Ben was more shook up than Locke when they left the shack.
2. Why didn’t Ben hear Jacobs words “help me” that Locke did?
3. When Ben shoots Locke he is acting like a jealous schoolboy.
I propose this.
When Ben first joined the others, whoever was there leader at the time took Ben to see Jacob. Ben was then in the position that Locke was initially, unable to see Jacob. Ben then threw a tantrum, unable to go back to the others with a leader who would tell the others Ben was unable to see Jacob, Ben kills the then leader. He then returns to camp saying Jacob has killed the leader and that he Ben is the anoited successor.
Back to now, when Ben takes Locke to see Jacob, Locke is safe from Ben while he can’t see or hear Jacob. Ben could take Locke back to camp and reveal him as unworthy. But once Locke has heard Jacob, Ben cannot risk Locke revealing to the others that he heard something. Ben’s authority is already so undermined by Locke that it might not survive the revelation.
Also note Richards words to Locke that Ben has caused them to stray from the true path into things such as fertility. They are looking for someone to lead them back to it. And as Locke says to Sawyer. He is on his own path now.
Comment by john — May 17, 2007 @ 5:24 am
To John.
Maan, thats a good one. that is why Ben was so nervous, asking Locke what Jacob said… then, forcing it out of him. Why didn’t Ben know what Joacob said..? I think you hit the nail on the head my friend!!
Comment by Bam — May 17, 2007 @ 7:38 am
lol
Comment by lol — May 17, 2007 @ 11:51 am
did anyone notice that John was shot where his stolen kidney USED to be?
that’s how he’ll live!
Comment by Katelyn — May 17, 2007 @ 7:15 pm
All of the lost episodes can be downloaded on a program called Ares or from http://www.darkville.com.mx/ the website is only on for a couple of hours in each timezone and is in spanish and you have to register but it has all latest 24 heroes greys anatomy and house(episodes on site next day of aired). Only, however if you own the lost series… blah blah… downloading illegal… blah blah…
Comment by Bam — May 18, 2007 @ 9:56 am
i hope the website helps any UK stranded Heroes Fans to catch up. can’t wait till the finale!!!!
i know this is a lost forum, so…
John Locke Kicks Righteous A!
Doctor Jack is a Muppet, kill him off already!
Kate and Sawyer get married already…
what ever happened to the whole brainwashing Karl story, what has he been programmed to do?
Finally i hope Ben stays in it for a while, him and Locke need to keep butting heads.
Comment by Bam — May 18, 2007 @ 10:02 am
I was thinking about something earlier: What is with Sun’s dad? He is a very connected man, and is of great means. Could he have something to do with the Hostiles and thier finacial backing?
Comment by john paul — May 18, 2007 @ 10:31 am
There is no way that Jacob is God or a manifestation of God. God is the most powerful being in the universe; I doubt anyone would be able to hold him prisoner, much less with a ring of valcanic ash.
Any thoughts?
Comment by Val — May 18, 2007 @ 2:52 pm
There is no way that Jacob is God or a manifestation of God. God is the most powerful being in the universe; I doubt anyone would be able to hold him prisoner, much less with a ring of valcanic ash.
Any thoughts?
Comment by Val — May 18, 2007 @ 2:52 pm
There is no way that Jacob is God or a manifestation of God. God is the most powerful being in the universe; I doubt anyone would be able to hold him prisoner, much less with a ring of valcanic ash.
Has anyone else noticed the connection with fathers? A lot of people were brought to the island as a result of their fathers.
Any thoughts??
Comment by Val — May 18, 2007 @ 2:55 pm
I completely agree that it is a voodoo type gris gris. It is in a curvature pattern in the scene indicating it probably goes in a perfect circle around the house to either keep bad spirits in or out. Maybe Ben is the only one of the Others that is actually alive, allowing him to cross the line when the rest of the Others cannot…..
Comment by Albie Duke — May 19, 2007 @ 2:37 pm
I agree with Noblelawyer, the sand arround jacobs house is used to keep jacob as a hostage or prisoner.
Surrunding with sand is a old voodoo technique that keeps “ghosts” away from crossing it.
This was already an important part of the movie “The Skeleton Key” (here the trailer: http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/the_skeleton_key/)
Why keep Jacob captured there? Maybe he is the scource of all mystic power on the island?
Comment by Misterham — May 19, 2007 @ 7:01 pm
What are you babbling about?
Comment by Better Reread Your Definition of Stereotyping — May 20, 2007 @ 7:36 am
When I first looked at that freeze frame of Jacob I thought of Jack’s dad, with some scruff.
Comment by Jeff — May 20, 2007 @ 3:07 pm
Well, I know that the island can make lots of apparitions anyway, so perhaps this next point is not so amazing. But didn’t Jack also here his father’s voice on the island through the intercom when he was being held by the others.
Comment by Jeff — May 20, 2007 @ 3:11 pm
i think the Lost writers have father issues, thats why they’re coming out in the story. We canall of us relate to having deep psychological issues involving our Parents or lack of. ITS A UNIVERSAL ISSUE!
Comment by Bam — May 21, 2007 @ 8:06 am
doesnt Jacob look a bit like tom… (M.C. Gainey) ?? i think so.
Comment by waffle — May 27, 2007 @ 9:19 pm
I think Jacob looks like Sean Connery…
Comment by bollox45 — June 1, 2007 @ 6:57 pm
This just dawn on me. The importance of pregnant women being the first clue. The importance of Claire’s baby and how she got on the island. Who got her to be on the plane? Richard Malkin.
Now compare the Jacob image at http://www.thetailsection.com/lost-news/lost-jacob-revealed.php with the one of Malkin at http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Richard_Malkin.jpg
Thomas, Claire’s boyfriend, could have been paid to get her pregnant. After 3 months he leaves her (just when abortion is out of the question). Then Malkin does all he can to have her keep the baby. He is supposed to be a psychic but his house shows that he has quite a bit of money. He gives $6000 to Claire to make sure she takes the plane.
Eko actually meets him later on and Malkin tells him his daughter’s near-death experience is a fraud.
Could Malkin be Jacob?
Comment by Yves Boudreault — June 10, 2007 @ 12:39 am
I think it’s Alvar Hanso but something has happened to him, he has been made invisible by someone and he is trapped there, maybe kept there by Ben, thats why he told locke “help me”. Dunno…
Comment by Dan — August 14, 2007 @ 3:01 pm
I also think Ben COULD hear Jacob, he just asked Locke to see if he heard it as well.
Comment by Dan — August 14, 2007 @ 3:08 pm
this may be way off but in the bible, benjamin is jacob’s youngest son…
Comment by josh westra — September 27, 2007 @ 2:49 am
also, i do not believe that jacob is the island, at least not if the ash was a trail from smoky, since the monster is described as being the islands security system.
Comment by josh westra — September 27, 2007 @ 3:18 am
I think ben is scared that Lock can take controle. If more people can get intruction for jacob Ben’s position is in danger. That’s why he shot lock and that’s why Ben wanted to know what Jacob said.
Help me!
Wel haven’t figured that out.
Comment by Bill — September 28, 2007 @ 2:29 pm
In Season 3, Episode 16… after they left the Others’ camp, why don’t they bring their friends back there? They have electricity, Food and houses…
Comment by Tony — October 12, 2007 @ 10:32 pm
¿quiero saber qien es JACOB?
Comment by manuel — November 7, 2007 @ 2:41 pm
I don’t know if anyone had mentioned this already but the person that played Jacob was Lost prop master Rob Kyker. http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Rob_Kyker Obviously just a stand (I really doubt that they would have their prop master acting) until, I’m gussing, they hire the person that is going to play Jacob in the future epps which leads me to believe that Jacob is someone that we have not met yet, or it may be someone we may never meet in the flesh. Only time will tell and I know I am just excited to find out WTF is going on!
Comment by Wes — December 18, 2007 @ 8:32 pm
who is jacob, i think that the smoke is jacob’s pet
Comment by asher — December 19, 2007 @ 11:21 am
i reckon that Jacob is a ancient god, that’s why jin, sun and sayid saw that big statue with 4 toes, the island ight be mount olinpis.
Comment by asher — December 22, 2007 @ 11:54 am
Maybe this has been said but I think Jacob stopped talking to Ben which is why Ben had to put on an act. Maybe he even believed Jacob had left the island and is why he got cancer. Once he found out Ben heard Jacob he knew Jacob was still there.
Comment by SpookyX — December 28, 2007 @ 8:19 pm
Okay, so i didn’t read ALL of the posts, but i got through some of them. 1) I definitely don’t think the “dirt” outside jacob’s shack is the track of the security system. That sound’s kind of dumb and we’ve never seen it before. It almost looks like the dirt is forming a circle around the house and ben stepped over it. Watch a season of Supernatural and you’ll probably agree with me that it’s to keep jacob locked inside the house or that area - which also explains the “help me” voice. ALSO - i though i saw that same dirt on Jacob’s chair. 2) What I’ve been starting to notice since the DVD release of season 3 (i’ve watched seasons 1-3 back to back twice now) is that it seems there are 2 distinct things going on under all the “hoopla.” Jack, Kate and Sawyer are three lead characters but they don’t mean anything right now other than on the surface of the story - the action that takes us from episode to episode. Anyway, sidetracked. What we know, or should deduce, is that on the Island - everything is happening for a reason. Let me start with Eko (one of my favorite characters i was pissed when they killed him off). He saves his brother as a kid, then ends up being responsible for his death. Which leads to him taking over as a priest, his traveling to London and finally his departure to Sydney to investigate the girls death / reawakening. Eko leads John to the new hatch, which causes John to want to stop pushing the button, which makes Eko start pushing the button just long enough for the island to bring Desmond back (my new favorite character next to Locke) to the hatch. So now Locke and Desmond can plot to stop pushing the button and ultimately Desmond will “save” them all by blowing up the hatch the fail safe way. This leads me to believe that Desmond’s (like Eko’s) back stories were predestined to take place exactly as they unfolded (which is what the episode about Desmond’s “time travel” was about). All this makes me believe that more of the 815 passengers (not all of them but some) were supposed to be on the flight and were supposed to crash… because the Island needs them. ONE STEP FURTHER… Did all of the “Hatch” stuff lead up to Desmond gaining a psychic ability so that he could keep Charlie alive long enough to sacrifice himself to blow up the beacon at the Looking Glass Station? Based on lostpedia.com’s article on “4 8 15 16 23 42″ being an equation for the end of all humanity leads me to believe the island is the core, the starting point, the fuse for this world-ending Armageddon. And the inhabitants of the island, ALL of them as far as I’m concerned - are pawns in the islands eventual end to humanity. I have to wonder if the Island is grooming John, based on his background of EASILY being duped and conned into doing other’s bidding, to cause this catastrophic event (I agree that Ben may have been this person before, but he seems not to be in the island’s graces anymore). As much as it would piss me off to see John not be the superhero of this story; it would be much closer to reality and kind of intriguing if he ended up being responsible for bad things - which he’s done quite a bit so far - for failure to learn from his mistakes. Bottom line, there’s still too many holes to accurately predict anything - which makes waiting for the next season really suck - but is also why we’re all so gripped tightly to this story. I’m a bit skeptic now though because of where Season 4 is going. With this mysterious boat outside the island and new people coming to it. I can’t stop thinking about that Super Nintendo game for Jurassic Park 2 where you ran around hiding from dinosaurs (which is okay) and having gun fights with some evil corrupt corporation (retarded).
Comment by JB — January 3, 2008 @ 6:32 pm
I’m not really sure but when I saw the eyes, I noticed they look almost exactly like Charlie’s. I know he’s dead but he is “also here” as he says in the flash forward. I think Jacob is like the heart of the island. He is the monster and everything that happens on the island. Ben says he can see him but really only Hurley can (because he can see things others don’t) and Locke can hear him (because he is special or whatever)
Comment by charlie was awesome — February 1, 2008 @ 4:59 pm
Did anyone see the connection between the names?
Jacob
Benjamin
Aaron
Sarah
Thomas (Claire’s ex-boyfriend)
They’re all names from the bible. Now I’m not a real Bible-fan, did anyone recognize more names?
Comment by Merei — February 9, 2008 @ 7:59 am
I think Jacob looks like Jack’s father Christian Shepherd. I compared the screen shot to Locke, no resemblance at all. The noses and chin are totally different. Look up a pic of Jack’s father, they kinda look alike.
Comment by Kim — February 11, 2008 @ 1:06 am
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Comment by basoon — February 13, 2008 @ 9:34 am
luks lik ur mano frank???
Comment by lostrawksiiii — May 12, 2008 @ 2:36 pm
Jacob in the photo has an old fashioned jacket, rather like 18th century. He is something to do with the Black Rock ship. There were lots of volcanic eruptions during this period of history. He is not somebody we have already seen in my opinion.
Comment by Diana Sholl — May 18, 2008 @ 7:24 am
jacob is locke??
look at the videos on the abc website linking the two…
possibly from anohter life…before the plane crached…sits in rocking chair because can’t walk as still in wheelchair?
“help me” was just locke hearing his own voice in his head… ben was shocked that he could hear it.
just a theory?
Comment by Sam Baker — June 3, 2008 @ 4:28 pm