Spoiler or Foiler? You decide.
One of two things happened a couple of days ago….
a) I was talking to an individual connected with LOST production and they told me "Jacob hasn’t been cast yet." To which I replied "But, you guys are done shooting right?" To which this individual replied "Ooops." And from there had no choice but to be gradually coerced into revealing the identity of "Jacob" to me, with the cautionary note that despite everything they had told me there was yet another kick in the pants to go along with it that would make me pee myself this Wednesday.
b) I had this really great idea for a foiler that had sort of a humorous angle to it and right now I am unleashing it on frustrated fans every where just to spark torrents of inspired conversation.
You Decide:
ben!
Comment by nickk — May 5, 2007 @ 10:38 am
So Ben’s imaginary friend is Jacob? Something I find interesting in that context is that the doll looks like it could be a representation of long haired Alpert from the “Man Behind the Curtain” stills. Could Ben have imagined Jacob and pulled him from the box???
Comment by cap10tripps — May 5, 2007 @ 10:39 am
don’t say jacob,after all the jokes!!
Comment by nickk — May 5, 2007 @ 10:41 am
In that sense, perhaps Ben has the same sort of ability as Walt…
Comment by cap10tripps — May 5, 2007 @ 10:42 am
no i know who it is, it looks like sawyer!
Comment by nickk — May 5, 2007 @ 10:44 am
so are you saying youve been told Jacob was made up by Ben to strike fear into the rest of others?
Comment by steve — May 5, 2007 @ 10:44 am
If it’s Ben, maybe he was Jacob’s imaginary friend. Jacob pulled him from the box, thus Ben was born on the island. It would explain why Ben thinks Jacob is godlike and why he is an agent of Jacob…
Comment by cap10tripps — May 5, 2007 @ 10:52 am
I guess JACOB is hurley’s imaginary friend DAVID from the season 2 episode ‘DAVE’.
Comment by santyi — May 5, 2007 @ 11:01 am
Is this like The Tempest? Is Ben Ariel? Or is Jacob Ariel?
Comment by egg — May 5, 2007 @ 11:17 am
It’s Dave!!!
Comment by Guinevere — May 5, 2007 @ 11:20 am
OOOOOoooooo…….I LOVE that idea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Vanessa — May 5, 2007 @ 11:28 am
Doc if this is true I want you to recognize I called it moments after “The Brig” aired because of the trailer shots. RECOGNIZE IT!
Seriously though I think this route is kind of lame….
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 5, 2007 @ 11:30 am
I know one thing… they couldn’t have made that thing look any more phallic. We’ll be getting some lit-geeks dissertation on how this relates to the priapus mythos before too long.
Comment by DocArzt — May 5, 2007 @ 11:33 am
Oh did you MBBP? Okay I recognize. But I didn’t read your post.
Comment by DocArzt — May 5, 2007 @ 11:38 am
I have been saying this on the AICN boards ever since they released the name of the episode. Ben has made up Jacob in the same way Prof. Marvel made up the Wizard of Oz. Jacob doesn’t exist, it’s just another way for Ben to control the others.
Comment by Professor_Snarf — May 5, 2007 @ 12:00 pm
Doc I read your posts it’s only respectful to read mine.
By the way…if you allow me to steer this off topic for a second, I know Dark knows what the game changer is in the season finale but obviously he can’t say. Now if you know too then you can’t say either.
I was just wondering if you think it changes the direction of the show like “Phase 1″ changed Alias?
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 5, 2007 @ 12:08 pm
but what about eye patch guy? he talks about jacob too
Comment by chris — May 5, 2007 @ 12:11 pm
Um…maybe I am misreading this or maybe everyone else is…but Doc said he wanted to make up a humorous “foiler”…not “spoiler”. If the the pic was a spoiler, it would mean that funny wooden doll=Jacob=Ben is really is Jacob. But he’s posting it as a “foiler”, i.e. something to misdirect you from the real truth.
Comment by socalj — May 5, 2007 @ 12:18 pm
Walt is Ben. Maybe. Okay, probably not, but I had to say SOMETHING.
Comment by tomfishstory — May 5, 2007 @ 12:19 pm
…could someone explain to me what Doc means? i read what DocArzt wrote…but im kind of confuse.
Comment by taylor — May 5, 2007 @ 12:20 pm
I choose B.
Comment by TabulaRasa — May 5, 2007 @ 12:31 pm
MMMM yeah, Jacob the Rattle reminds me of the epistolary in Issue 37 Volume 23 of Penthouse Letters, “Rattle My Box”. This bulbous interpretation of a childhood friend, combined with Eko’s death by a long, prehensile, black phallic smoke monster surely shows the writers and producers penis envy. Fuselages, tall buildings, and the question that should have been asked about the foot with 4 toes is why was the leg cut off at the knee?!?!?
Comment by LitGeek — May 5, 2007 @ 12:33 pm
I’m with Tabula, my choice is “B” as well.
Comment by gusteaux — May 5, 2007 @ 12:43 pm
@socalj
Doc stated one of those two points is a foiler. Either Jacob hasn’t been cast yet or Jacob is the voodo doll.
I’m goin with the stick.
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 5, 2007 @ 12:46 pm
It is true Muscle Bob Buff Pants you called it first but I called it more specifically the same day.
“Being there is a picture of a really rustic looking doll perhaps the toy belonged to young Ben Linus and he imagined it to be real and later used this childhood idea as a fake leader for the others. It is possible that none of them have seen Jacob but the reverence/fear they feel at the mention of his name comes from made up stories and tricks that make him seem real.”
Posted by H20 | May 3, 2007 8:00 AM
Comment by H20 — May 5, 2007 @ 12:50 pm
It’s Bernard. Calling it now Jacob is Bernard. I’m kidding of course, but it would explain where he’s been all of this time. The imaginary friend thing would be kind of fitting with the show. What with the whole Ben says that he’s got some divine mission from the Jacob to start the uprising and then there is no Jacob, but Ben needs Locke to make him real or something of that nature because the natives are restless about the promises Ben made. Or not.
Comment by B — May 5, 2007 @ 1:07 pm
so the game changer happens in the season finale been wondering when it was going to happen can i have link to Darks Post saying this.
Comment by steve — May 5, 2007 @ 1:13 pm
Wow, it would feel awesome to actually have something right about this show.
I think since he was a youngster Ben has been communicating with someone(s) from the future, that is why he knows what is going to happen. It only makes sense to make an “image” so he’d have something to talk to.
Could the whispers be someone(s) from the future, and therefore “Jacob”. I can see Ben showing off this skill with the Others, so of course they’d be scared about pissing Ben off.
Why the heck won’t someone ask Cindy how she disappeared out of nowhere. Wow, it would feel awesome to actually have something right about this show.
I think since he was a youngster Ben has been communicating with someone(s) from the future, that is why he knows what is going to happen. It only makes sense to make an “image” so he’d have something to talk to.
Could the whispers be someone(s) from the future, and therefore “Jacob”. I can see Ben showing off this skill with the Others, so of course they’d be scared about pissing Ben off.
Why the heck won’t someone ask Cindy how she disappeared out of nowhere. <:\
If there are Other Others, more aggressive than the ones we’ve seen.. then they’d be trying to change that future, but not in a good way.
But then again, I could be really wrong.
Comment by iowalost815 — May 5, 2007 @ 1:30 pm
Haha that’s good but a true lit geek would handle it like this:
In “The Brig” the structure that Cooper was bound to was similar to a “Hermiac statue” which was literally just a pillar erected from a base. The Greeks used these as markers. The statues were representations of erect penises, which the Greeks, as we all know, were very fond of.
Ironically, they appear in the bible when JACOB leads away the people of his father-in-law Laban. Laban catches up with him and erects a pillar from his pillow of stone amongst a heap of rocks and tells Jacob that neither shall pass to the other side to do harm, forming a truce. Ironically, in “The Brig” it came to represent the line that Locke would not cross. Peace through penises. What can I say?
Another interesting fact is that the character of Benjamin, son of Jacob in the bible, was originally named Ben Oni which means “Son of the right testicle”. Biblical editors thought that a little racy and came up with the contraction of Ben Jamin, Benjamin, which means “son of the right hand.”
Now note that the super smart LOST folks have chosen to avoid this edit and go back to the original ‘Ben’, no doubt to provide connective tissue between the allusion of the Hermiac Pillar and the fact that Jacob is a Phallus shaped toy.
Comment by DocArzt — May 5, 2007 @ 1:35 pm
I really hope Jacob isn’t imaginary, or a doll. But I gotta admit that when I read the name of the ep, I thought it might be Ben too, as everyone else did, Wizard of Oz references, etc. I thought it was weak and a cop-out.
But then I started thinking maybe it’s Alpert, hiding in plain sight, the little talk he had with Locke on the hill. Little better than Ben being Jacob, but still I thought, kinda weak.
Now apparently it’s going to be imaginary, or a stick. Crappy crappy crappy idea. It should be some super-scary dude that either we haven’t seen before, or is someone so unexpected on the Island it blows your friggin mind.
I would honestly rather have it be someone totally off the wall like Bernard than Ben, Alpert, Jack, Locke, or a freakin stick…
Comment by RedStarRevolution — May 5, 2007 @ 1:36 pm
God loves you as he loved VINCENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by cekma — May 5, 2007 @ 1:52 pm
I’ve always said that Jim Robinson is Jacob. And I stand by that.
Comment by Jim Robinson is Jacob — May 5, 2007 @ 1:57 pm
maybe its really hurley and someohow hurley brought them all to the island, after all weird things happen to hurley and he’s the one with the numbers and all, maybe hurley just went temporarily insane and thats why libby was in the mental hospital with him, secretley keeping an eye on him, until he gets better and realizes who he really is, that wouldn’t explain why he was living at home with his mum though, maybe that was just an hallucination of hurley
Comment by nick — May 5, 2007 @ 2:00 pm
http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 5, 2007 @ 2:27 pm
Maybe Ben and Jacob are two different personality in the same body.
Comment by cesar — May 5, 2007 @ 2:30 pm
LOL i thought the exact same thing - after watchin the screen caps of next week episode. that vodoo doll is jacob - ben’s jacob.
ever since season 2 i always noticed ben’s behaveur child-like.
Comment by seba — May 5, 2007 @ 2:34 pm
The more I think about it, the more I think Jacob imagined Ben and pulled him from the box. This would make Ben sort of the son of Jacob and complete the biblical reference. Perhaps Jacob is/was a super psychic from the DHARMA initiative’s experiments. He rebelled against DHARMA with the help of other DHARMA test subjects and took control of the island. His imaginary friend Ben is an exact copy of Jacob, because that is what Jacob’s young mind imagined. He put Ben in charge of the island while he manipulated certain things on the outside to try and change the Valenzetti equation without killing 30% of the world’s population (DHARMA wanted to release a virus on Earth to change the equation and change the doomed fate of the world), which is what they rebelled against. So there you have it. Jacob is not Ben, but Ben is of Jacob…
Comment by cap10tripps — May 5, 2007 @ 2:47 pm
where abouts ie which post is it he says he knows what the game changer is and happens in the finale
Comment by steve — May 5, 2007 @ 3:10 pm
What if: Naomi works for Dharma, and Dharma faked the crash because they didn’t want anybody looking for the island.
What if: Naomi is there to kill Desmond so his body can be found somewhere else, because Dharma knows that someone with enough money and enough resources is eventually going to trace him there.
What if: The man behind the curtain does not pertain to Jacob at all, but a false construct that helps the others keep up the front that certain people are in control of the island.
What if: Dharma thought their people were still in control of the island, and information otherwise would bring a death squad to the island?
Comment by DocArzt — May 5, 2007 @ 3:18 pm
Hey DOc i was thinking that too, about Dharma not knowing and when Locke pressed the button in the “cabin” place and blew it up, they found out. Now there coming back…that’s what i was thinking too…
Comment by LiLi — May 5, 2007 @ 3:22 pm
i was never a spelling bee champion, i meant THEY’RE
Comment by LiLi — May 5, 2007 @ 3:32 pm
I agree. Dharma knows, thanks to Locke blowing up the Flame, that The Others are in control of the island. And the Dharma death squad are on thier way. But one thing bothers me. If The Others are in control of the island, then why are they still there? Think about it. Something is keeping them there. They had the sub, they had the ability to bring Juliet to the island, so why are they choosing to stay there? If babies born on the island die, then why not leave the island, and have the babies, then come back? Why come back to the island at all?
Comment by AREM — May 5, 2007 @ 3:36 pm
Doc I read that in the rumors section of Dark’s site….Are you toying with us or are you in the dark just as much as we are?
Steve, Dark mentioned it in one of the comments to the recent spoilers or on IMDB. It came up somehow and he mentioned that he knew what it was but can’t say. Dark and Doc are friends so I assume Doc knows as well.
Doc, did you read my question?
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 5, 2007 @ 3:53 pm
RedRum! RedRum!
Comment by RazzleDazzle — May 5, 2007 @ 5:20 pm
I wouldn’t say that is a literal comparison, no. The game changer is already widely speculated on and many people have already guessed it, so it won’t be that huge of a surprise. The “rattlesnake” on the other hand is something different.
Comment by DocArzt — May 5, 2007 @ 5:53 pm
And I do not know what the snake is…
Comment by DocArzt — May 5, 2007 @ 5:54 pm
ABC`s episode description:
Comment by Chuck_Farley — May 5, 2007 @ 6:00 pm
Im leaning toward the “Ben and Jacob share a body” theory…kind of like Quirrell and Voldemort in the first Harry Potter movie.
Comment by smellslikecarrots — May 5, 2007 @ 6:09 pm
Wicked…thanks Doc.
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 5, 2007 @ 6:57 pm
WILSON!
http://www.kerkpleinheemstede.nl/images/2MRWILSON2MAX.JPG
Comment by lu — May 5, 2007 @ 6:58 pm
cha, thats what i thought,theres a lot of similarities,islands and all!
Comment by m — May 5, 2007 @ 7:23 pm
I don’t think there is a Jacob (he is Ben’s imaginary friend), but I think Ben is hoping to manipulate Locke into taking on the role of his imaginary friend. I think Ben wants to justify his imaginary friend by making him real, and I think Locke is his best bet for doing so (as has been observed elsewhere, all you have to do to manipulate Locke is tell him he’s ’special’ and set him specific tasks to prove it).
I think Ben is trying to make Locke into Jacob, and that Locke is going along all too willingly. Ben is saying, “Locke, there is no Jacob–he’s my imaginary friend–but you could BECOME him. You can make him real.”
Then again, I’m almost certainly wrong.
Comment by Lance — May 5, 2007 @ 9:07 pm
OH MY GOD, I GOT IT!!!! I’m gonna go with Merl’s crossovers idea (which I like, though it’s obviously not what’s going on).
Richard Alpert, AKA Nestor Carbonell, once played (drum roll, please)…..Batmanuel on the live action version of the Tick. So, since Richard seems to be at odds with Ben, and they seem to answer to the higher power known as Jacob…
Patrick Warburton as The Tick as JACOB!!!
You heard it here first!
Comment by ParkwaySouth — May 5, 2007 @ 9:17 pm
I can tell you this for sure…..the doll is Ben.
Comment by sentry118 — May 5, 2007 @ 9:20 pm
Jacob stands for ‘Jack’…. I’m just wonderin’…
Comment by En Voz Alta — May 5, 2007 @ 9:47 pm
Maybe next season there will be a character named Michel Foucault.
Comment by D — May 5, 2007 @ 10:43 pm
Jacob is an alien creature on Ben’s stomach, just like Quato on that guy’s stomach in Total Recall. How Jack missed it when he was doing surgery was because it was just back surgery and Jack never turned him over (lucky for Jacob!)
Comment by Justin — May 5, 2007 @ 11:12 pm
“Locke! Start the reactor!”
Comment by Paul — May 5, 2007 @ 11:13 pm
i’m jacob.
Comment by jesse — May 6, 2007 @ 12:46 am
If Ben is a genuine case of multiple personality disorder, then it would be possible to say both that Jacob is Ben AND that Jacob and Ben are two different people.
The real question is who came first? Jacob or Ben?
Comment by Clovis Sangrail — May 6, 2007 @ 1:21 am
I was told by a reliable source that Jacob is….David Hasselhoff!!!
Comment by boonesghost — May 6, 2007 @ 6:40 am
What if: Naomi works for Dharma
I don’t know if you’re speculating or dropping hints, but I don’t think this one makes sense. If she works for DHARMA, wouldn’t she know the location of the Island? I can see Penny going to Dharma for help finding the Island, but if Naomi works for Dharma it seems to me as if part of her story she told Sayid would be made up then.
Comment by Chris — May 6, 2007 @ 6:55 am
There is definitely no Split personality going on, after the next show, you will know more on that…….
Comment by sentry118 — May 6, 2007 @ 7:10 am
I have come to believe that the smoke monster is just a part of a bigger monster. Jacob might be this monster. the native. the true owner of the island. he takes the form of the smoke monster to read peoples minds, to know such private information.
i believe the barracks, Otherville, was originally owned by Dharma. And that is why the fence was built around. to keep out Jacob. to gain the advantage, not letting him read their histories.
Comment by The Fluge — May 6, 2007 @ 7:24 am
If she is working for Dharma she is lying. If she is working for Dharma she is an assassin sent in to kill Desmond because Dharma has become aware of Penelope locating the island. So to avoid Penelope going to the island, they would get Desmond, kill him, and have his body turn up somewhere else.
Mikhail knew she was coming because he was aware of Dharma protocol.
Her story of a cloud enshrouded island is completely bogus anyways, unless that blue sky we always see is a holograph.
No, when Desmond returned with his snow globe theory, he may have brought some credence to that otherwise ludicrous idea. As an experienced sailor Desmond should not have been mislead by magnetically impaired compass readings, because simply using the time of day and the sun would at some point tip you off that something was amiss. If the interior sky of the field that surrounds the island is bogus whatever forces that are in charge of it could tweak things enough to avoid tipping Desmond off that he is sailing in a circle. This may also account for ‘errors’ that have been noted in star formations. It also explains why you can check in, but you can never leave. Basically, you cannot navigate your way out. While we do know of people stumbling upon the island randomly, we haven’t heard of anybody trying to just set a course of a straight line and sailing away. We’d have to assume that Desmond would be, no pun intend, applying some course correction based on what ever force would be impacting his navigational equipment or fooling him into thinking he was not sailing in a straight line.
Anyways, back to the point. Yeah, she is a Dharma spy. Not with the others. I’m convinced. They are there to kill two birds with one stone, first to get rid of Desmond, second to figure out why they have lost communication with the island.
When Naomi saw Mikhail’s jumpsuit she assumed he was a Dharma guy, hence her dialog with him. This is also why it was so import for Mikhail to get away.
The ‘others’ are probably on their way to some backup communications post so they can contact Dharma to maintain the illusion that Dharma is still in control.
The food drops proved that Dharma on the outside of the island has no idea that the ‘hostiles’ are running the place. Why would they feed the hostiles?
I think the man behind the curtain has to do with some kind of construct that the others are using to broadcast a false view of what is going on with the island.
Comment by DocArzt — May 6, 2007 @ 8:36 am
Well it’s becoming fairly obvious that Jacob is “Ben”. The revolt against Dharma was led by Jacob… a construct of experiments done on the man we know as “Ben.”
Jacob succeded in ‘purging’ the island of the Dharma group, but failed in saving his own family. Thus “Ben” was born out of remorse for the loss of his family (perhaps his own son’s name that perished in the Purge) and to hide the leader of the Purge from those who may still work for Dharma.
While we many are saying “oh, Ben IS Jacob” the more truthful response would be… Jacob is “Ben”.
It isn’t a split personality or psychosis; Jacob is the real deal… the real guy. Ben is nothing more than ruse to hide the ‘leader’ of the rebellion.
“Ben” is the rebirth of Jacob as a free man.
Comment by Joe Cobb — May 6, 2007 @ 9:09 am
for the memory of a lifetime, recall, recall, recall
Comment by nick h — May 6, 2007 @ 9:20 am
My guess goes to a COMPUTER that READS ppl MIND and SINS Theory CONTROLING smokey.
The picture here, its a personification of the Machine.
I cant wait to Wednesday!!!
Long live LOST
Comment by Frederico Val — May 6, 2007 @ 9:45 am
My guess goes to a COMPUTER that READS ppl MIND and SINS Theory CONTROLING smokey.
The picture here, its a personification of the Machine.
I cant wait to Wednesday!!!
Long live LOST
Comment by Frederico Val — May 6, 2007 @ 9:45 am
this guy doesn’t know sh*t about sh*t…
Comment by rizzledizzle — May 6, 2007 @ 9:57 am
I thought the game changer was Naomi and what she said.
Comment by thenumbersarebad — May 6, 2007 @ 10:03 am
What if: Naomi is there to kill Desmond so his body can be found somewhere else, because Dharma knows that someone with enough money and enough resources is eventually going to trace him there.
So what if Penny’s father works for Dharma somehow and he’s the one trying to kill Desmond and hide him somewhere else so that Penny will be further discouraged in pursuing Des.
BTW: what happened to the whispers? we hardly ever hear them anymore.
Comment by buttons — May 6, 2007 @ 10:52 am
OMG! Lebowski, aka super flamer, is back to entertain us! Tell me, rizzle, have you had several room-mates who know sh*t, therefore that makes you an authority on whether or not I know sh*t?
Comment by DocArzt — May 6, 2007 @ 11:06 am
HEY! If we can’t all learn to post together…were gonna post alone.
Comment by thenumbersarebad — May 6, 2007 @ 11:59 am
the smiley face reminds me of the REAL Henry Gale’s parachute…maybe Henry Gale was an other or Dharma.
Comment by thenumbersarebad — May 6, 2007 @ 12:05 pm
How did Naomi get the photo?
Comment by mikey — May 6, 2007 @ 12:11 pm
I think there are alot of possible Jacobs. Maybe Jacob’s list is actually a list of potential Jacobs. As in Jacobs (plural) List rather than Jacob’s (possessive) list. any thoughts?
Comment by thenumbersarebad — May 6, 2007 @ 12:11 pm
I still want to know how Penny got the picture. But for the sake of my theory, for the all powerful Dharma with the capability to fake a plane crash acquiring a photograph would be a relatively simple task.
Comment by DocArzt — May 6, 2007 @ 12:28 pm
The stick doll is similar to the prophet in Schwartzeneggers movie Total recall. Ben is the leader who talks to Jacob when Jacob is really Ben… sort of. Jacob is Ben’s “power” or alter ego on the island and no one else has seen him. Yet.
Well it made sense to me when i was writing it.
Sawyer will be the next to die on the island because he confronted and killed Tom Sawyer which was his lifes goal and will make peace with what he did like Eko.
Jack/Claire havnt resolved their issues with dad or each other
Kate hasnt resolved hers with her mom.
Sayid hasnt with his wife/girlfriend.
Charlie hasny with his brother or completely with drugs.
Desmond hasnt with Penny and on and on
Comment by John — May 6, 2007 @ 12:39 pm
It’s probably just a toy made by Charlie for the turniphead. It /does/ look high…
Comment by Brown — May 6, 2007 @ 1:03 pm
Well if u recall the Finale of season 2…
Penny was called by the Portuguese guys, when she woke up, on her nightstand was the photo that Desmond had. it is the same photo that should only be one copy.
Naomi is clearly a scan of Penny’s photo. so we shouldnt be wondering how Naomi got her picture, how did Penny?
Comment by The Fluge — May 6, 2007 @ 3:18 pm
OK I am telling you this is FOR SURE ….The doll is a toy given to Ben when he is young, and it represents Ben….
Comment by sentry118 — May 6, 2007 @ 5:26 pm
Or… Jacob is the person that is supposed to be reporting back to Dharma. Dharma already had a list of people they specifically wanted on the island. Dharma forwarded those names and their background info to Jacob before the crash. Hence Jacob’s list.
I really wanted B to be the right answer.
Comment by TabulaRasa — May 6, 2007 @ 5:49 pm
I have a thought, and it’s that your thought is a good one. From that list of potential Jacobs, Ben seems to have decided that Locke is the best bet. He’s the most easily manipulated, plus he has that special ’something’ due to the fact that he was healed so easily and quickly on the island.
One thing’s for sure, Ben would want Jacob to be on his side. Any potential Jacob is someone Ben would both be highly interested in, and highly interested in manipulating and keeping close to his side.
Of course, I’m almost certainly wrong.
Comment by Lance — May 6, 2007 @ 9:17 pm
Jacob is Aaron. He comes to prominence years later. That’s why he hasn’t been cast yet. Think John Connor from the Terminator films.
On the island, time collapses as a dimension. It’s not a loop so much as a single point.
The Others discovered writings from the future in the ruins: Jacob’s writings. The writings mention the apocalypse and its unlikely cause: the DHARMA initiative’s research. This is the nature of the DHARMA-Hostiles conflict.
Comment by Evan R — May 7, 2007 @ 1:00 am
anybody else think that the doll looks like the top of eko’s staff?? eko as jacob perhaps mmmmmmmmmmm
Comment by Jason — May 7, 2007 @ 7:04 am
my man Cappy… one of the best ideas of who Jacob is… i love it.
Comment by jimyy — May 7, 2007 @ 10:03 am
Holy crap… I think I’ve got it!
When cap10tripps said Jacob “imagined” Ben onto the island via the (metaphorical) “box,” something clicked in my brain:
The Losties didn’t crash on the island. Someone “imagined” them there!
Locke brought Cooper to the island by imagining him; the physical manifestation of this in the real world, we heard Cooper say (assuming he was telling the truth), was a car crash. Perhaps the same thing happened with the Losties, and instead of a car crash, the physical manifestation of this was a plane crash!
Comment by Ken — May 7, 2007 @ 10:09 am
i’ve read about half way through the posts… but whats up with all the “imaginary friend” theorys? Ben or Jacob had an imaginary friend? c’mon… i don’t want the Great Man that is Jacob to be just an imaginary friend…. Why are so many of u saying imaginary friend imaginary friend who started this, i want names…..
Comment by jimyy — May 7, 2007 @ 10:30 am
“Locke brought Cooper to the island by imagining him”
But Ben told Richard Alpert explicitly to get him “the man from Tallahassee”, so presumably he retrieved Cooper, physically, not mentally, using some as-yet unknown means of transport on- and off- the island.
Comment by Evan — May 7, 2007 @ 11:44 am
Okay, so usually I don’t like the ‘alternate timeline’ theories, etc. And I think you were probably half-kidding. But….
What if time is really just a single point on the island? (As in Borges’ ‘El Aleph’). That would make a lot of things make sense… and probably make some others not make sense.
Comment by Libby — May 7, 2007 @ 2:27 pm
I’ve been thinkin on the whole “snake in the box” thing. What if they’re referring to Jacob in “the box” (the metaphorical box Ben refers to). They obviously wouldn’t be able to say “Jake in the box.” That would make it way too obvious. What if they said snake as an obscure reference meaning Jake the snake? Then they throw misleads out there like Billy D. as the cobra in “Expose” and the question of Jack’s loyalty. Perhaps their meaning was “the Jake in the box.” Thoughts???
Comment by cap10tripps — May 7, 2007 @ 3:34 pm
Ive been thinking on those lines cap10. i think the fact that a Jack in the Box fits so well makes me suspicious. I personally think we are going to find out something truly amazing about Jack. Whether it be that he is the savior, the villain, I dont know. and I dont mind. I cant wait to find out!
Comment by jalocke — May 7, 2007 @ 4:58 pm
I hope that someone’s past mysteries being resolved doesn’t mean death of a character. But if it does, Sawyer did have a daughter and maybe he got Kate pregnant. So I think we arent done with him yet.
Comment by thenumbersarebad — May 7, 2007 @ 5:57 pm
I am not waivering from my belief that John Locke is Jacob.
I do not believe that the “doll” is Jacob or that Jacob is Ben’s imaginary friend.
While the cap10’s “Jake In the Box” theory is intreguing, I don’t buy it.
The only other possibility I would consider is that Jacob is Ben’s “Bad Twin.” That could be how they are going to have Rousseau blow Ben up in the finale but retain Michael Emerson for another season after Ben is killed. A badder, more evil, version of Ben. I’d love to see ME step the creepieness up another notch or two…and it would be a wonderful consolation if Locke is not Jacob.
Comment by gusteaux — May 7, 2007 @ 5:58 pm
I do realize I’m being presumptuous when I say “box” when they said “mailbox.” I just can’t figure out the meaning of a snake in the mailbox. It sounds voodoo or mafia related, but I can’t recall a situation of reference. If anyone knows of its meaning outside of being a play on words for Carlton and Damon let me know…
Comment by cap10tripps — May 8, 2007 @ 5:42 am
I heard that “snake in the mailbox” was their way of just saying it’s “shocking”, not necessarily a clue. As in, it’s as shocking as if you were to go to the mailbox to get your mail, and found a snake their instead.
Comment by Jason — May 8, 2007 @ 2:03 pm
You’ve all missed it. look at the “foiler” picture again.
The doll represents ANNIE. Ben has disassociative identity disorder. He invented Annie and made the dolls himself. Funny that since Ben never had a father, there is one guy who he seems to look up to now and his name is “Jacob”, Benjamin’s father from the Bible.
Comment by Patrick — May 9, 2007 @ 8:51 pm
yeah snake in the mailbox is just a term used to describe something huge that comes out of nowhere.
think, everythings all fine and dandy, everyones smiling etc…then BAM!!! it hits you hard and fast.
Comment by mandy — May 9, 2007 @ 11:31 pm
The still of Jacob reminds me of Tom/Mr. Friendly… How come Richard Alpert a) started out as the one in charge and now Ben is “Mr. President” and b) is the same age as he was when he met Ben, only more eyeliner, shaved and had a hair cut?
Comment by Leslie — May 10, 2007 @ 6:21 pm