LOST Mystery - Candle’s Snazzy New Badge, or the Swan With the Broken Neck
After completing my fourth sweep over the frame by frame clips of the "Man Behind the Curtain" promo for next week, I came upon a peculiarity. It appears that Marvin Candle MAY be sporting a new Dharma logo and there is a slim (perhaps self deluding on my part) possibility that this logo is the infamous "Door" logo from the season two finale.
The badge is slightly distorted by a bend in the cloth, which may make the right angle we see an illusion. In fact, there is a blob of white which corresponds with the location of the Swan’s head on the swan logo, but that may be an illusion from the bend as well. So there are three possibilities: 1) it is "The Door" logo and the rounded blob is an illusion due to the bend. 2) It is "The Swan" logo and the right angle is an illusion due to the bend of the cloth. 3) It is either "The Door" logo, or a Dharma Logo we have never seen before. Have a look:
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I think it is a new logo. I don’t really see how the slight bend of the patch would alter the look of the symbol to that great of an extent. It almost looks like a 90 degree angle bend on the shape in the logo. I guess we will find out soon huh?
Comment by Keith — May 4, 2007 @ 6:42 am
Yeah i agree i would either say that its a new logo or if it was one of the old ones id put my bets on the swan because it doesnt look like it could be the other two.
The one thing thats been on my mind for a while now is that Walt is coming back to the island. Does anyone have theories on how Walt gets back to the island? Mabye he never left the island? Could they have given Micheal a clone Walt?? How old is Walt going to be when he comes back has there been any casting for an older Walt?? If he comes back will he be alone ??
Comment by DMS — May 4, 2007 @ 6:50 am
it could be a swastika
Comment by rommell — May 4, 2007 @ 7:02 am
Ignore the stupid post ^^ because obviously Rommell has never seen a swastika before.
Comment by DMS — May 4, 2007 @ 7:05 am
If I had to guess how Walt comes back I would say he never left the island. I don’t think Ben was done with him because he’s speacil and I have no idea how they pulled it off but I dont think Walt could get to the island alone unless he’s older now.
Comment by DMS — May 4, 2007 @ 7:12 am
I’m on board with it being a new logo. Also, is that a young Mr. Linderman?!
Comment by Oli — May 4, 2007 @ 7:14 am
actually, the swastika could make some sense…it’s actually a buddhist symbol still used to this day to mark where temples are.
Comment by sanshoshima — May 4, 2007 @ 7:23 am
Notice how his left arm seems totally stationary.
Comment by The Pearl — May 4, 2007 @ 7:36 am
Actually it looks more like TPTB digitally inserted a fake/unreal Dharma logo over something on his smock.
Perhaps they needed to hide something or the real Dharma logo as to avoid giving away a major plot twist.
I don’t think that is the ‘real’ Dharma logo in that picture.
Comment by Joe Cobb — May 4, 2007 @ 7:38 am
Did they say they would be on the island, or that we would see them?
Comment by DocArzt — May 4, 2007 @ 7:41 am
Nevermind, I just saw the original, and it’s the highlight on the baove photo that through me off.
Although it’s easy to make out “DHARMA” at the bottom of the screen, and the size of the letters do suggest it is the Swan logo.
You can see the slight bend in the fabric at the top of the pocket (where the octagon slightly bends) and it matches nicely where the swan’s neck bends.
I vote for the Swan Logo… however the background is clearly the Other’s village where the had Book Club meetings.
Comment by Joe Cobb — May 4, 2007 @ 7:44 am
Another tell tale sign that it is just a bend inthe fabric… look at the middle ‘break’ in the three lines… it’s almost diagonal instead of straight… and if you follow that diagonal point, it matches where the ‘crease’ would be to explain the ‘broken neck’
Comment by joe cobb — May 4, 2007 @ 7:47 am
It looks like a new logo, it seems to resemble the swan logo closely especially when it comes to the top of the logo looking like the swans head, but the angle looks to acute to be the swan logo, i’m not sure about the illusion theory i don’t see how that would correspond to anything nor do i see where the bend is supposed to be in the logo
Comment by nickk — May 4, 2007 @ 7:48 am
hhm yeah keith thats what i thought!
Comment by nickk — May 4, 2007 @ 7:50 am
That doesn’t look like the same logo from the Candle pic that was posted just the other day. Why did someone change it?
Comment by Marc — May 4, 2007 @ 7:53 am
They only said they would be explaing Walts ablitiy a bit and one of the two would be making an appearence on the show but I hope they bring Walt back to the island. That would be huge if Walt was brought back because it would leave so much conflict and mystery surrounding how this could be possible. In my opinion it would be an excellent addition to the season finale!
Comment by DMS — May 4, 2007 @ 7:53 am
Look at the three lines directly above the “broken neck”
They aren’t straight across, they seem to bend every so slighty upward from left to right. Hold a ruler or a straight edged piece of paper against your monitor and that picture… the lines are crooked, and the slight bend corrolates to a bend of the fabric of the pocket.
Pretty sure it’s the swan logo.
Comment by joe cobb — May 4, 2007 @ 7:55 am
Its either the swan logo or a new logo but why would he be talking about the swan at the others village? Also what was he thinking when he chose that hawaiian shirt? Could that mean the island is close to Hawaii??
Comment by DMS — May 4, 2007 @ 8:00 am
The bend thats needed to cause the broken neck effect would have to destort the octagon logo, its not distorted,still has symmetry, i guess we’ll find out soon enough
Comment by nickk — May 4, 2007 @ 8:01 am
That’s a good question DMS. That is what seems peculiar… that he’s talking about the Swan station or it’s function while at the ‘village’…
unless of course the ORIGINAL function of the Swan station was to do something else.
Comment by joe cobb — May 4, 2007 @ 8:02 am
nick, I understand what you are saying… but I just saved the pic to my ‘puter, put it in photo shop and superimposed the Swan Logo (with a slight tilt to match up with Candle’s smock) and it’s the Swan Logo, it matches perfectly, with the exception of of what looks like a slight bend inthe pocket.
Heck just put it in paint and draw a line along the ‘break’ in the middle of the three lines… it shows the bend and makes the Swan ‘broken neck’ very obvious.
Comment by joe cobb — May 4, 2007 @ 8:06 am
Someone said “Has Walt ever appeared somewhere he wasn’t supposed to be?” i think it was miss klugh who asked Michael that. Then again, when he was on the raft, Shannon saw him in the jungle… so im thinking walt deff appears in places he’s not supposed to be.
Comment by jimyy — May 4, 2007 @ 8:06 am
Let’s see if this works:
The top section of the Octagon looks like this:(3 lines with a break in the middle line)
__________
____ _____
__________
If you tilt those lines from left to right (the left being slightly higher than the right) then an imaginary line drawn along the middle break should point from right to left… but in the picture above it doesn’t… and imaginary line drawn through that break points from left to right… inferring a bend in the fabric.
Comment by joe cobb — May 4, 2007 @ 8:14 am
lo, its nice to know some people are as obsessed as me out there, i’ll check it out joe!
Comment by nickk — May 4, 2007 @ 8:40 am
lol, yeah I need help.
Comment by joe cobb — May 4, 2007 @ 8:47 am
It’s the Swan… on HD TV it was obvious.
Comment by tom — May 4, 2007 @ 8:49 am
Re: Walt coming back…
What if the Walt we saw leaving with Michael wasn’t Walt, but Smokey instead? Is it possible that Smokey can take a human form for multiple people to see at the same time? Then the real Walt would still be on the island. I have a hard time believing Ben would release someone as “special” as Walt without a very good reason.
Not sure how realistic that is, but it’s just a thought.
Comment by Dak — May 4, 2007 @ 9:09 am
according to Ben “We’ve got more then we’ve bargained for with Walt”
Comment by jimyy — May 4, 2007 @ 9:36 am
Walt left with Michael… problem is, they didn’t get anywhere. They left on that rinky dink boat, and as we have been “told” the only way on or off the island is the “sub.”
I think Michael and Walt were captured by Dharma operatives or recaptured by the Others and have been held since then.
I also believe we will be told that Michael died in the struggle… and walt will profess he’s been in captivity for a year or two.
And that will be how the season ends.
Comment by joe cobb — May 4, 2007 @ 9:38 am
Maybe The Scorpius? Since the hatches seem to be named after constellations… Looks like the tail… I don’t know…
Comment by jvince — May 4, 2007 @ 10:26 am
Can we stop the Linderman talk? That is not Malcom McDowell. I’m sure “Heroes” is a great show (haven’t gotten into it yet, but will rent the first season on DVD), but there is no way the networks would allow that. It would cause too many people who haven’t gotten into “Heroes” yet to jump over to NBC to see what it’s all about…
Comment by cap10tripps — May 4, 2007 @ 12:24 pm
That Dharma symbol is from the Door hatch. Sayid said it led to a stone wall. He didn’t know the secret way to open it (much like the hidden room in the Staff that Juliet opened for Sun’s ultrasound). The Door hatch is a powerful place. Supernatural, even.
Comment by ed — May 4, 2007 @ 12:53 pm
I don’t think that it is folded. If there was a fold there, the octagon shape would be distorted too. There is no good reason to think it can’t be a new logo. If it is any of the previous logos, it is just a bad image of the Swan.
Comment by thenumbersarebad — May 4, 2007 @ 1:56 pm
I remember Sawyer telling Michael that the boat the Walt was kidnapped on was too small for the open ocean. Assuming that is true, did Michael forget when he asked for the boat. If the boat cant make it that far, then Ben probably knew they would be back. That would explain his willingness to part with Walt and the boat.
Comment by thenumbersarebad — May 4, 2007 @ 2:34 pm
sorry, but this is definitely not a swastika!
it looks completely different.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
if anyone wants to take a look at the logos we know so far:
http://lost.wikia.com/wiki/The_DHARMA_Initiative
Comment by DiaR — May 4, 2007 @ 3:03 pm
It think the “new” logo is an observation station, maybe?. perhaps the “blob” represents some sort of aerial viewing point or a terrestrial monitor heat sensing etc. Also i think dharma know more about smokey than juliet claims, maybey there observing that.
Comment by it_has_moved_to_the_next_stage — May 4, 2007 @ 3:09 pm
IMO, the new logo is for the radio tower that Danielle spoke of in season 1. It is the Dharma video of the radio tower station, and that is where Jacob resides. We will watch the video in a flaskback, possibly when the new recruites arrive, as we saw in the preview.
Comment by AREM — May 4, 2007 @ 3:11 pm
I don’t think it’s new. I think it’s the Swan, and it’s just that the blocky compression of the image data is falsifying s 90-degree angle on the zoom. Consider the bulbous head on the end that corresponds exactly with Swan’s head. Just Occam’s Razor chiming in.
Comment by CyHunter — May 4, 2007 @ 3:27 pm
umm why would he have a swan logo, i dont think that guy was ever stationed in the swan. i think he just does the instructional videos, its probly one we havent seen or the door.
Comment by jess — May 4, 2007 @ 4:20 pm
What I find particularly interesting is the colors in the logo. It doesn’t seem like a camera illusion, and no other station logos have color in them…
Comment by cap10tripps — May 4, 2007 @ 4:32 pm
lol that is deffinately the distortion caused by the compression and then enlargement of the image, plus the shot has dodgy lighing, remember those videos(reels) are old, you ever watched a really old VHS video, there will be lots of colour distorion like that.
if that is a badge as in like a badge that is sewn onto the chest of football players shirts, there is no way its gonna be bent, those things are pretty rigid
if its printed on the actual pocket, it looks to be the swan…
Comment by Dave Bifti — May 4, 2007 @ 6:08 pm
If Walt came back (presumably older) it would give credence to the “time warp” theory. I think that the title “Through the Looking Glass” will be referencing passing through the time warp (to Naomi’s crew) and finding out 5 or 10 years have gone by.
Comment by Chris — May 5, 2007 @ 8:27 am
Lol, yeah you’re right. I guess I was hoping for some sort of prism/frequency/time travel connection to the station…
Comment by cap10tripps — May 5, 2007 @ 9:52 am
Beside the guy some people think looks like Linderman from Heroes(best show after Lost) there is a man walking with him. I wonder if he could be the real Henry Gale. I do think the real Henry could have been an Other. Maybe there was some truth to Ben saying he was part of a search party. If not an other, could Henry Gale have worked with Naomi?
Comment by thenumbersarebad — May 5, 2007 @ 9:57 am
in the preview to the man behind the curtain there is a stick or something with a smiley face on it. Henry Gale’s parachute also had a smiley face. is that a cooincidence?
Comment by thenumbersarebad — May 5, 2007 @ 10:01 am
Dharma Stations Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jec58c2gDR0
The Logo looks like station one
Comment by Sammy — May 5, 2007 @ 2:10 pm
I paused the preview again… that still is one or 2 frames too early. There are only 3 frames on my tivo… and in the second and third, there is no right angle and it’s obviously the swan. It’s a bad screen grab.
Comment by tom — May 6, 2007 @ 5:23 am
Doubt its the Swan because its right angled, still could be the Door.
I reckon its a new symbol for the Barracks (since that’s where he is).
Comment by The Ghosts of the DHARMA Initiative — May 6, 2007 @ 2:59 pm
that is so totally the Swan logo
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