LOST - Is Locke the Primary Hero? A.K.A Don’t Take Lost too Literarily
First of all, no that is not a misspelling of Literally; it is my failed attempt at a play on words. Second I have to apologize. I had a geek gasm last night about something I had hoped I would get confirmation on and BAM, there it was. Naturally, this launched me into 2,000 word essay mode. I feel strongly I’m on to something here, but you might find this a complete waste of time but essentially I have a ‘road map’ theory that I think lays out the direction the show is going in. LOST is a bit hard to figure out because you have a swarm of overlapping mythological devices going on. There is definitely no Monomythism going on in the LOST writers room. This is extremely cool because it keeps even well educated viewers off balance. What is the central structure? All myths have structures, and most myths have heroes. LOST has become a veritable case of "Can’t see the forest through the trees" by keeping the hero of the story a moving target. Jack seems obvious, so does Kate, and even Sawyer. At times Hurley has seemed a possible center, after last season a lot of people thought this had really been Desmond’s story all along and our hero had been hidden from us in the first act. Without further delay, here is my theory. I apologize in advance for its girth! Hopefully it brings you some enjoyment and food for thought.
Is Locke the hero of LOST?
When Locke turned to Sawyer last night to answer the con man’s assumption that he was going “back undercover” by saying “I’m on my own journey now.” I let out a woot. Not because Locke was clearly operating on some larger than life mystical journey of understanding, but because he had single handedly shined a light on hopes I have had for some time, and may, just may, have given us some indication as to what point of the story we are at and what will come next. I’ve been operating on a secret theory for quite a while, it’s a bit off the deep end but I think if you look at it for what it is you might find yourself bopping to my groove.
I first became interested in Joseph Campbell the minute that Joseph Campbell became interested in Star Wars. Identifying the mythological archetypes of Star Wars was hardly the highlight of Campbell’s career, but it was a potent ad hoc platform to proliferate interest in mythological story telling and its role in civilization. Had Campbell not been there to equate Star Wars to “The Heroes Journey”, I doubt I personally would have sought a higher understanding of myth - period.
Since the day that Gilgamesh was first etched into clay, mankind has crafted stories that both create inadvertent records of the collective mindset of their age and - at their height - calm the mass anxieties by providing hope that heroes are amongst us, odds can be overcome, and that our kind can conquer any unknown realm – fictional or otherwise.
If you never listened to Campbell deconstruct myth or pontificate on the great archetypes of plot, you have been deprived a much needed perspective in appreciating LOST. It’s not that you need to have a head full of mythological archetypes, or a knack for deconstructing symbolism; actually, it’s quite the opposite. If Campbell were here to take a crack at the mythology of LOST odds are you would get an extremely well articulated version of “It’s a great HERO story, stupid.”
One side of LOST theorizing I have always abhorred was the efforts to get at the ‘DNA’ of the LOST story, particularly which chromosome came from which great work of literature. Part of the reason I try to avoid that kind of deconstruction is that it is, in some ways, disrespectful to the storyteller. The last thing a musician wants to hear when they play you a new piece is the various other songs it ‘sounds like’. Other than that, dwelling too much on the influences is really just a study in pigeonholing LOST into an amalgamation of literary techniques and specific influences; a practice more suited to a grad student desperately trying to demonstrate his chops on the conundrum Du Jour. I avoid the “LOST Literary Genome Project” because it is like our friend Ouroboros, a process that just winds up swallowing its own tail.
In the end all that hard work comes to a banal conclusion, the LOST writers have influences and tend to use the same tools of their craft as any other writer on the planet. A thesis hardly worth reinforcing with thousands of words concentrated on tracing every minute literary equivalent.
So, I have taken a very oblique route to get back to my point, which all centers around the use of the word “Journey”. The more worthwhile deconstruction of LOST from my perspective is determining what archetypal hero construct the writers of LOST are using. The reason is that if you know the stages of the archetype, and you can connect them with events in the story you can, gain a little temporal comfort as to where you are in the story. More importantly for you theorists out there, you can look at the remaining stages of the archetype and work with what you know to come up with a path to the end that makes a little more sense. How do I know they are thinking in terms of hero myths? They’re Star Wars fans, people. I would lay money on the table to wager that the plot of LOST is more derived from a variation of basic hero archetypes than any eclectic mix of books. As I said before the influences are important, but they are not the backbone of LOST. This show is much more than a Frankenstein’s monster of great works of literature.
The problem with applying this to LOST is that it uses multiple archetypes. For the storytellers, this is an ingenious device. There are many ‘heroes’ in the story and some of their stories that follow along an archetypal path can be told in self-contained ways. These are the micro-myths. Part of what keeps us out of balance, and less conscious of the macro-myth (the BIG story), is that these individual hero stories play out in the same universe as the macro story. Some of them are complete, most of them are tragedies, and some are still playing out.
My search has always been for the primary hero. Who is the hero of the macro story? It cannot be “everyone”, even if each character is a hero in his or her own right it still must be an individual for the story to fit neatly in one of my coveted archetypes. Find the hero, find the archetype, and know the path of the story. Pick the wrong one, and you have no idea where things are going.
I have to admit, maybe it’s my age, but I always hoped Locke was the hero and now I am convinced of it. The archetype that I propose is in play fits very nicely with the themes of the show: the Cosmogonic cycle. Cosmogonic heavy describes stories that deal with the creation and destruction of the universe; farther down the dichotomy, on the more liberal branches, we find stories that deal with these extremes of birth and death in terms that are more symbolic. They usually begin with the creation of a force that represents reality (the island) by entities who become invisible to us (in the sense of story), and whose creation is placed in peril and must be saved by the hero.
There are six stages to the cycle. Here is how I propose they apply to Locke. I think the fact that his myth is the only one — aside from Desmond and I’ll tackle that next — that ties directly to the island is a clear indicator that Locke is the central hero of LOST and that this Cosmogonic cycle is the definitive skeletal mainframe for the story. Below I will detail how the cycle runs, and why it fits with John Locke’s story so well.
The actual cycle goes like this:
1. The Call to Adventure. Where the hero gets his urge to embark.
This is the walkabout. Locke feels it is his purpose to do this, he is seeking spiritual enlightenment from the adventure. So his journey begins on a quest to find himself, confident in a higher force to guide him.
2. Refusal of the call. The hero or someone with power over him/her impedes the beginning of the journey.
He is not allowed down this path of enlightenment because of his disability and is ultimately sent home.
3. Supernatural Aid. Where a force intervenes to both start the journey and infuse it with meaning.
After the crash, his ability to walk is restored and he begins to seek the source of the gift, confident that he has been set upon a path. He believes that the power that healed him holds his ultimate purpose. Through his character flaws, we see that Locke feels a purpose will bring him acceptance.
4. The crossing of the first threshold. The hero arrives into the unnatural realm that he/she must ultimately conquer.
The challenge is the hatch and gaining entry. Like any good hero story, a friend is sacrificed on the way to securing entry, and a band of helpers assist with a different agenda. His flaws continue to impede his progression towards enlightenment because the legitimacy of his quest is in question.
5. The belly of the whale, which is really to say the dark period of incapacitation and disconnection from the adventure that causes the hero to reflect on his purpose. His enemy here is not the confinement. The confinement represents his own self doubt.
Locke begins to doubt the work in the hatch is of importance. The swan phase of the story is the entrapment, having to punch the button, the realization of the entrapment and the questioning of the self and ultimate need for escape.
6. The road of trials. Here the hero walks in the realm of the gods and faces their dangers head on, fully expecting and embracing the challenges.
Locke challenges the power of the hatch with the belief that it has no power, and convinced that he has in fact become enslaved to it. Even though he is surprised to learn that the power does exist, he still succeeds in freeing himself from the belly of the whale.
7. Rebirth. Having survived the trials of the gods, the hero emerges with restored youth and vigor.
The button no longer needs to be pushed, and the display of power by the island has refocused him.
8. Temptation by the nemesis. The nemesis, now aware that the hero is a threat, tries to bring the hero into his ranks.
We are at this point now. We can assume that Ben is playing a game of keep your friends close, and your enemies closer. (And Jacob hiding in plain sight!)
9. Apotheosis. The hero is deified.
This is also part of what we are seeing right now. We know there are good people amongst the others, the tailies that were kidnapped etc, and to them Locke has now become a hero. The nemesis, however, has a different plan as we saw; he plans to humiliate the hero to prevent him from gathering support.
10. The hero receives the power. (Now he just needs to figure out what to do with it!)
Here is where we are leaving off. As you can see, we are pretty close to the end of the second act of the myth. What happens here and in the following steps is what predicts the end of the show.
1. The hero is tempted by his power and wrestles with a desire to maintain his gifts for self-use.
2. The hero ultimately Journeys back to his world, but is faced with new or old challenges.
3. Rescue from without. Someone with no power aids the hero, usually; this infuses humanity back into the hero. (In some cases this connects with the return step one and it is a supernatural being which aids his escape, think Darth Vader standing against the Emperor.)
4. Crossing into the ‘natural’ world. The hero must now face the ‘normal’ world with his changes exposed.
5. The bridge. The hero brings access to the wonders of the hidden world, eradicating the barrier between them.
6. Freedom. Having accomplished his mission, the hero is now free to live the improved world having conquered the threat of death and improving the lives of all around him.
Of course, there are other ‘distraction’ story lines that belong to the other individual more monomythic stories going on on the island, but this, if I am correct, is the cycles of the primary myth that the LOST writers are creating.
So what do you folks think? Normally, I don’t wear my geek hat in public, but hopefully you all did not find this a total waste of time. If you are interested in getting a much better description of this, read “The Hero With a Thousand Faces” By Joseph Campbell.









I think you’re on crack.
Comment by Rob — May 3, 2007 @ 9:08 am
Best theory i’ve heard u put out… Or maybe im just saying that because Locke has always been my Fav. I always said, whatever path locke took… im following it, good or bad… great theory Doc.
Comment by jimyy — May 3, 2007 @ 9:09 am
DUDE,
That shit was pimp!
I am in…it could b that.
I was feeling the whole “Journey” aspect of the
heroic character.
But what if it is unexplainable and we are left to our
own considerations= is what i say…
Props Hard, Bro.
Your ideas were deep! Very…
peace
L
Comment by Luis Ruiz aka redhood! — May 3, 2007 @ 9:10 am
Awesome theory, Doc (why is it that so many lost “theologians” refer to themselves as “Doc”?) Anyway, everything seems to have played out according to your archetype, and your further theory on the return is completely plausible given the nature of the characters on the show. Keep up the good work!
Comment by rhett — May 3, 2007 @ 9:11 am
It makes sense. Locke is, aside from Desdmond, really the only character whose only crime is their own disability and circumstance. Hurley is in this group as well, I suppose.
It wouldn’t surprise me at all to see the writers using these archetypes, and I honestly hope they are. Locke is the most interesting character on the show and knowing that they’ve been following Campbell’s “Hero” pathway from Season 1 would increase my awe and admiration for the show EVEN more. Sure, it’s a leap, but not as much as most theories and I’d be hard pressed to find holes in what’s occured thus far. The tricky part is the last cycle. How will Lost incorporate that?
Comment by benjaminjames — May 3, 2007 @ 9:15 am
Wow, that must have taken alot of time.
Comment by supa — May 3, 2007 @ 9:16 am
Doc, I remember last year around this time, you told me that Locke was going to break out on his own, possibly join the others and so on. Since then i have banked everything on Locke being our hero. And here we are, a year later and you were right on the money with everything you said. I have full confidence that you’re right about this too.
Comment by AVREY97 — May 3, 2007 @ 9:21 am
I just posted on the forum that I thought Locke was a good guy and Ben was afraid of what he could do. Then I read this. I said on the comments of last weeks episode too that I thought Locke would turn against Ben ultimatly.
Comment by Burger — May 3, 2007 @ 9:22 am
You’ve completely sold me - that’s a great hypothesis. Excellent work. It just means that the end of this season is going to be all the more awesome; can’t wait!
Comment by John Resig — May 3, 2007 @ 9:23 am
Interesting theory _if_ it weren’t based on the mistaken [to me] premise that Locke is really on his “own journey”. He’s _still_ looking for validation. He’s still trying to prove his delusions of being special are true. I think the producers/writers underscored this by the very fact that he’s literally following Ben and the Others’ path when he claims to be following his own. Just my two cents.
Comment by RSL — May 3, 2007 @ 9:24 am
WOW DOC! my brain might self destruct. Argghh!!
Comment by WILLOW — May 3, 2007 @ 9:32 am
Great post! I have gone back and forth as to who the protagonist of Lost was. Having read Hero of a Thousand Faces, I have to agree with you. Locke has undergone more “challanges” than the rest of the castaways.
His arc throughout the mythos of Lost has been very interesting as he searches for his place in this new world.
Comment by Kristoff — May 3, 2007 @ 9:40 am
Just a thought! Didn’t a few pictures of Noemi the parachutist appear on Ben’s bookcase a few episodes ago?
Comment by MR. E — May 3, 2007 @ 9:47 am
Find the Hero, Save the story.
Comment by Daedalus — May 3, 2007 @ 9:49 am
I like your theory, I know in one of the more recent podcasts Carlton said that by the end of the series Tallahasee will build a statue of Locke implying perhaps that they will think he is so cool they will want to be associated with him and the show despite the show portraying tallahasee as a bad place at times.
Comment by Vahan Solar — May 3, 2007 @ 9:50 am
Actually I think it was Damon who said that Locke will have a statue built for him by the end of the series. But will it have only 4 toes?! Just kidding.
Comment by vahan solar — May 3, 2007 @ 9:52 am
Don’t forget. The guys have worked with the actor oplaying locke before and have promised him more parts.
Wouldnt it be nice of them to give the actor the “hero” part of their new show?
hmmmm youre on to something here buddy…
Comment by Jason — May 3, 2007 @ 9:53 am
Oh, I see a future flash! It’s me tagging Naomi…Charlie, Hurley & Jin all watching….teabagging her….giving her….Mexican…moustache…and…and…donkey punch!
Comment by Desmond — May 3, 2007 @ 9:54 am
DocArzt, to be honest I think that you have seen beyond the TV. I think you have looked into the show and have seen the one true Hero. All the other characters are just along for the ride, with their own little moments of them getting a taste of the Hero. I couldn’t agree more with your point of view. I think you are on the money. Keep it up.
Brinson.
Comment by Brinson — May 3, 2007 @ 9:54 am
Great post. You should wear the geek hat more often.
Comment by TrillianM — May 3, 2007 @ 10:00 am
Doc, with all due respect, your analysis depresses me. I don’t like any manifesto that puts any limits on engagement with Lost–it’s all expression of fandom. Whether you’re silly with it or self-serious about it, whether you treat it like an interactive puzzle or like a fun beach read, all responses are valid, in my opinion. Though I have my own M.O., I love and wallow in it all! Also, I find it ironic that you criticize those who try to decode Lost, especially with Lit references–and then you advocate “The Hero’s Journey,” the oldest literary model/skeleton key in the book!
Comment by Doc Jensen — May 3, 2007 @ 10:05 am
Interesting theory although I tend to think each character is a monomyth; each just has different timelines for filling out their stories.
Comment by Ceebs — May 3, 2007 @ 10:05 am
I’m with you 100%, Doc.
Comment by Will — May 3, 2007 @ 10:06 am
Myself I always felt that Locke was the focal point of the show. Although the Desmond love story also appealed to me at the end of season 2 I am now convinced that Locke is our hero…well done!!!
Locke Is The Man
John
Comment by John — May 3, 2007 @ 10:12 am
I like it.
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — May 3, 2007 @ 10:19 am
Doc -
Very well thought out treatise. I have never read Campbell but I’m now going to add the book you refer to at the end.
In the middle of your essay you refer to the cosmogenic cycle archetype, mentioning there are six stages…and then you had 2 lists pertaining to Locke, a list of ten items under the headings “The Call to Adventure” and “The Trial,” and then you have a list of six stages under the heading “The Return” Which one of these refers to the cosmogenic cycle? That was a little unclear to me, and I’m not sure how you construe the Locke-epic to tie into a cosmogenic cycle as you described it. You might want to make those connections a bit clearer.
(Also, is your source for the paragraph about the cosmogenic cycle the Campbell book you mentioned at the end?)
On a more general note, though, I’ve always thought that Locke is probably the central “hero” of Lost, if there is one. I’ve been thinking recently about the dialogue he had with Walt back in the pilot part two about backgammon, how it’s the oldest game in the world, came from ancient Babylon, and several thousand years older than Jesus Christ. I’ve always thought his spiel on backgammon is very programmatic for the story going on in Lost, on a macro level, I’m just not quite sure how.
Comment by Jeff — May 3, 2007 @ 10:24 am
“…to add the book you refer to at the end…”
…to my summer reading list, that is!
Comment by Jeff — May 3, 2007 @ 10:25 am
I’m impressed, Doc.
After giving much thought to the links in structure between LOST and, for example, The Iliad, Le Morte d’Arthur, Pilgrim’s Progress, much of Dickens, Lord of the Rings, The English Patient, and War and Peace… I was about to start suggesting that, as a piece of great writing, LOST must now move away from its extended (and extensive) period of exposition in order not only to maintain reader/viewer interest, but also to fulfil its own authenticity.
The theories about purgatory, cloning and distorted timelines are - I would contend - too akin to fairy tale and futuristic sci-fi. While I don’t rule them out entirely, they nevertheless seem to me fall into the ‘neat’ or ‘long con’ areas of exegesis that demand simplicity. The creators of LOST are too clever (and original) to fob us all off with a “then I woke up” denouement. One could just as well argue for the Others being merely a band of travelling actors (for which, of course, there is some evidence).
Apply Joseph Campbell’s ‘hero’ deconstruction analyses to the four ‘philosophers’ in the story - Locke, Hume, Rousseau and Bakunin - and, I think, the likely shapes of more pieces in the remaining jigsaw will become apparent.
Comment by Marcus — May 3, 2007 @ 10:26 am
I can buy it. Almost all the primary characters had “daddy issues” (Oedipus anyone?)and who has (had) a worse daddy than Locke? It will be interesting to see where he goes with his new liberation.
Comment by Smooch — May 3, 2007 @ 10:34 am
Jeff - It wasn’t really my intent to put those who use lit references out of business, it was more to state the obvious that is the lit references themselves have influences and to think anybody has ‘unlocked’ the story by analyzing similar themes is just nuts. It’s a dichotomy of story and LOST is seeking to embody a mythology. Anybody who visits here knows that I do as much as I can to promote the wackiest streams of conversation on it.
So for the record please do not accept any piece of this as a condemnation of any line of thought. Certainly just because I don’t like a certain approach doesn’t mean it literally has no value.
As for the irony of me suggesting a piece of literature. That is kind of funny. However, what I would say is that the archetypes are “boxes”. Several philosophers on mythology have described the “box” in many different ways, as a personal preference, I like Campbell, but none of this matters because we aren’t talking about the “box”, we’re talking about what is in it. So my literary suggestion is moot as an irony.
The fact is the many great pieces of literature that influenced LOST were themselves in “boxes” that had been used for centuries before. I merely wanted to provide an alternative to trying to capture the story in a web of its influences.
Comment by DocArzt — May 3, 2007 @ 10:36 am
I think that you have got it nailed. I am also a huge fan of Locke, I really hope he is the hero. I can’t wait to see it all play out
Comment by Gumionday — May 3, 2007 @ 10:36 am
On the Oedipus question, Smooch…
I thought it a neat trick of the writers to have Sawyer going through the jungle in a pair of sandals, the explanation for which may not be that, er… complex.
The word Oedipus means, of course, ‘hurt foot’.
We all know what the laddie in question did to his father - and what Sawyer did (on Locke’s behalf) to another father figure…
Comment by Marcus — May 3, 2007 @ 10:39 am
Doc, with all due respect, your analysis depresses me. I don’t like any manifesto that puts any limits on engagement with Lost–it’s all expression of fandom. Whether you’re silly with it or self-serious about it, whether you treat it like an interactive puzzle or like a fun beach read, all responses are valid, in my opinion. Though I have my own M.O., I love and wallow in it all! Also, I find it ironic that you criticize those who try to decode Lost, especially with Lit references–and then you advocate “The Hero’s Journey,” the oldest literary model/skeleton key in the book!
So you love to wallow in it all, except this? I find THAT ironic.
-T
Comment by Taristo — May 3, 2007 @ 10:48 am
This would give the 2nd season the respect it deserves.
Comment by mike — May 3, 2007 @ 10:50 am
Nice work Doc!
I found the article very well written and easy to understand. Just one question:
Who’s Locke and what’s this show LOST you keep refering to?
Comment by El Prez — May 3, 2007 @ 10:53 am
Great job Doc. I always saw Locke as the “Hero” but never in the mythological sense. But after reading what you had to say I am seeing Lost in a new light. I do not however believe that Ben is the nemesis. I believe that Ben is only an agent of the nemesis. Perhaps the nemesis is the island itself, the black cloud thing, or someone we have not been introduced to yet. Ben is too obvious a choice.
Comment by Cypher_21a — May 3, 2007 @ 11:00 am
It’s a very good theory.
but, an argument can be made for Sawyer and the other Losties as well. I think there are many heroes in LOST that all contribute and have their own redemption patterns, their own hero patterns, etc. Much like Star Wars; maybe Sawyer is to Locke as Han Solo is to Luke.
Comment by Chris — May 3, 2007 @ 11:11 am
IMPORTANT NOTE: Richard Alpert (played by Nestor Carbonell) is named after a contemporary spiritual leader Dr. Richard Alpert, whose guru (Neem Karoli Baba) renamed him Ram Dass, which translates to “Servant of God.”
What does this mean: the mysterious Jacob is taking on a very God-like persona, and with Nestor Carbonell’s Richard Alpert character beginning to try to influence people (like Locke) somewhat behind the scenes, could he be acting as a servant of Jacob… or a “Servant of God” as his name implies???
Do to Nestor Carbonell being a fairly big-name actor, at least by TV standards (he’s been in a lot of TV shows and some movies), I had been convinced that he must be Jacob (a major character), or else how could they have gotten him on the show. But now I believe he is acting on behalf of Jacob… who will be a character we have yet to see appear on lost. (Damon and Carlton have never actually said that Jacob has never appeared on Lost, at least to my knowledge, but that doesn’t mean it still can’t be true.)
A stab in the dark… I am simply, totally convinced that Malcolm McDowell is in the background behind Marvin Candle in that still frame. If he is Jacob, the fact that Nestor Carbonell is appearing as a servant would be understandable, sense he would be appearing as a servant to an even bigger-name actor, such as Malcolm McDowell.
A jump of the shark… the first name of Linderman on Heroes (played by Malcolm McDowell) has never been revealed… a cross-network tie-in??? Almost definitely not… but it sure makes you wonder…
Comment by DesmondRules — May 3, 2007 @ 11:17 am
Oh absolutely! There are all these other variations of the monomyth going on, the tragic hero, the anti hero, it’s very hard to determine who is at the center, but its wonderful that the show has such a range of material operating in symphony.
Comment by DocArzt — May 3, 2007 @ 11:19 am
Another lame comment that only adds fuel to the fire that the site has a contigency of morons that visit it.
DAMN Nice theory though Doc!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GREAT READ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Todd Anthony — May 3, 2007 @ 11:19 am
Yeah, Doc, I like it… for example, the Iliad is the story of Achilles, but it has a throng of characters who each have their own stories and backgrounds, like Odysseus playing a minor supporting role, when he is a great hero in his own right.
Very simplistic compared to your manifesto… but I get what you’re saying. Very thought-provoking stuff. Nice work!
Comment by DesmondRules — May 3, 2007 @ 11:20 am
…really enjoyed this…thanks for putting it into words…i go back to the first epi of this season “Tale of Two Cities”…the good vs evil and the sacrifices and comprimises that have to be made in that epic Dickens tale, seems to be playing out on the island…
…It’s a better place I shall go…
Comment by skybluelost — May 3, 2007 @ 11:36 am
That has bewildered me, i get where it is coming from but essentialy all of the main characters are hero’s. and jeese when are they going to axe charlie ive heard that much about it now i wish they’d just get on with it.
Comment by it_has_moved_to_the_next_stage — May 3, 2007 @ 11:59 am
Very good points put through - nice one Doc!
Locke did have a brief run as leader while Jack, Kate and Sawyer were on Hydra Island but they didnt show enough of it - he would have been much better than Jack.
Comment by The Ghosts of the DHARMA Initiative — May 3, 2007 @ 12:00 pm
POSSIBILITY: the weird structure in the preview is where Ben Linus grew up on the island. There is a ghostly, motherly figure… there is a picture of a crudely constructed doll (no Tickle-Me Elmo on an island in the middle of the South Pacific), and immediately after the doll, a still of Ben Linus looking downwards with a soft look on his face, perhaps reminiscing to himself about the doll.
Ben stated that he lived his whole life on the island, which would include his younger years. This episode could explain part of the mystery of Ben’s life, prior to what we know of him now.
The confounder, though, is what part Richard Alpert plays in his past, since he appears to be in a flashback-like appearance too.
I’ll throw a out a semi-lame theory: Richard Alpert is “the man behind the curtain”; Jacob is the persona in front of the curtain, if you will (such as THE GREAT WIZARD OF OZ); and Richard Alpert created the persona of Jacob to strike fear and obedience into the young Ben Linus… though for what reason I have no idea. It would be a wonderful twist… that Ben Linus, the great and masterful manipulator, has lived his entire life in a state of servitude to a lie, having been manipulated himself.
Food for thought.
Comment by DesmondRules — May 3, 2007 @ 12:03 pm
If Locke is the Hero, then I sure hope that Desmond is his faithful sidekick. They are my two favorite characters on the show.
Comment by heissman — May 3, 2007 @ 12:03 pm
Doc, I like the theory, but I have this one simple question: If this was ultimately Locke’s story, then why has there been so much of an emphasis placed upon Jack as the leader, especially in his flashback in Thailand this season? Locke has shown time and time again that he cares very little for the group if it contradicts his own motives. In Season 1, he stopped hunting boar for the camp after he and Boone found the hatch. Secondly, he didn’t lose a companion on the way by that companions sacrifice: Locke sacrificed him! “Boone was a sacrifice that the island demanded,” and John knew it going into their little search for the Beechcraft. John hasn’t shown one single quality that makes him a leader and a hero in the story when it comes to the rest of the camp. He only cares about himself and his own goals, and the rest of the Losties don’t matter unless they’re part of those goals, a la what happened to Sawyer last night.
Comment by GodBlessTexas — May 3, 2007 @ 12:11 pm
I think are many heroes, and many stories taking place on different layers, which makes it hard to figure out who the hero is in the myth of the island. This is not to say that the individual stories that play out are of any less importance, but the one that will close the show, I think will belong to Locke.
Comment by DocArzt — May 3, 2007 @ 12:17 pm
I think the things listed above apply to everyone in the cast. The question is who’s the PRIMARY hero. Doc believes it’s Locke.
I believe it’s Jack. The same layout can be structured to Jack’s personal journey since coming to the island. I won’t spell it all out here but it’s compatible.
Maybe the real thing is they are all heroes, and who the primary one is a reflection of the viewer. If you’re an independant chick, maybe Kate’s your hero. If you used to torture people and now you want a better life, maybe Sayid is your hero. If you struggle with weight issues and want to make a diffence in society, maybe Hurley is your hero.
Comment by El Prez — May 3, 2007 @ 12:19 pm
I agree, but I also have thought for awhile that Locke may be in a coma from his fall. This is all a journey in his mind (which would explain the paranormal) that he needs to find his way through in order to come out of his coma.
Comment by rightcoaster — May 3, 2007 @ 12:40 pm
It can’t be like star wars, there’s no Chewbacca.
Comment by El Guapo — May 3, 2007 @ 12:48 pm
Ben’s a “son of a workman.” He’s not who he seems! Locke is the “real good guy.”
Comment by Senor Ricky Meezy — May 3, 2007 @ 1:02 pm
great breakdown of a story arch.. however i wouldn’t call it a theory… there is only generality and literary structure… nothing about the actual story line…
just my 2 cents…
on a side note.. with all this theories and stabs in the dark going around about this and that.. how come we never get an apology when they are proven wrong???
Comment by justaslostasyou — May 3, 2007 @ 1:08 pm
The only thing I would disagree with you on with this is that Jack’s heroism does not intercept with the source of magic, or the ‘boon’. Jack is still stuck at number 2 (Refusal of the call). He is another variant I think. With the talk on the streets I would guess his will be the heroic tragedy, where the hero’s resistance to the call ultimately leads to the loss of someone or something close to him. That could happen in the finale. Right now, I say he is stuck at #2
Comment by DocArzt — May 3, 2007 @ 1:14 pm
Personally a few weeks ago I had the pleasure of listening to one of the writers Jordan Rosenberg, who co-wrote the lost experience last summer as well as the episode par avion;anyway something he said has been getting to me. Though he refused any spoilers he did make a subtle comment about Locke, he said, “Of all the characters they can kill off there is only really two people they CAN’T kill off, Sawyer and Locke,(he later recinded and said that sawyer could be killed off, but the ladies wouldn’t like it) Locke because his story is so intwined with the mystery of the island.” Just throwing it out there.
Comment by viator — May 3, 2007 @ 1:19 pm
Aha! Victory!
Comment by DocArzt — May 3, 2007 @ 1:22 pm
Doc i think you may be on the money Locke is the Man IMHO and whatever path he takes weather it shall be good or bad am following him all the way.
Comment by steve — May 3, 2007 @ 1:27 pm
I think you were right with the story line upto now, i think lost will move away from john locke now and set its sights ona new challenge, i think it would be all to easy to call it a john locke juorney, just seems a bit to easy and obvious with all that has gone on with locke, i think thats exactly what the writers want us to believe and think, ie what will happen with john locke now kinda theme,like i say it seems obvious this will all be to do with locke but maybe its to do with no one in particular maybe its actually just to do with everyone as it is showing us no one is the true one, I think losts meaning of i’m going my own way is i’m now at peace with the world and i’ve gotta figure out were i fit into it just like everyone else on the island!
Comment by nickk — May 3, 2007 @ 1:39 pm
That was an awesome theory…there is a great chance Locke is Lost’s main hero…We can not forget about the Desmond/Penelope plot though…Desmond also might turn out to be the main hero…
http://dharmascientist.blogspot.com/
Comment by pedro — May 3, 2007 @ 1:45 pm
the biggest mystery of all last night was, how come sawyer didn’t need to pee anymore when locke tunrned up, mystery!
Comment by nickk — May 3, 2007 @ 1:48 pm
I think Locke may become a hero to the Others. Richard seemed to have faith in Locke and maybe other Others did too. Maybe there is some truth to Juliet’s video about wanting a “regime change”. Perhaps Locke will replace Ben and that is why Ben tried to embarass Locke.
Comment by thenumbersarebad — May 3, 2007 @ 1:50 pm
doc i think thats a great theory but you are wrong. Locke is a good man but he is aiming to become the others leader. Sawyer will be the hero in the end. remember when hurley told him it was time for him to be a leader
Comment by KB — May 3, 2007 @ 2:05 pm
Doc: Who are you?
Comment by Just wondering — May 3, 2007 @ 2:13 pm
Doc,
Couldn’t read through all the comments after that badboy. I think you’re absolutely right about this being Locke’s experience, however, one could argue that he only now is beginning The Trial.
I would like to point out that it’s fairly obvious that many of our heroes are currently on their own journies of self discovery. And most could fit nicely into the scope of the Cosmogonic cycle. But because Locke’s connection with all things on the island (Survivors, Others, and the Island itself)is so intense he will ultimately be the most significant character on the show. Well, besides the Island itself. But she certainly won’t be our hero.
Comment by Higdon — May 3, 2007 @ 2:20 pm
He is the one who so far has showed forgiveness, compassion, tenderness, empathy, and above all - AN ABILITY TO LET THINGS GO.
Locke may be redemption.
But Hurley is the hero. Well, almost. Hurley STILL hasn’t faced a test like all the other Losties. He hasn’t had to make an anguishing decision. For instance, Lock could have chosen to forgive his father, but he didn’t. He manipulated Sawyer because of his ego - he’s “special”. If I were Locke, I would never have tricked Sawyer - I would have told him the truth. Locke cannot be the Hero.
Jack…what can I say. Selfish. His “leadership” also comes from ego.
in fact, all the losties have this huge ego, except for Hurley.
But, of course, Hurley cannot be the hero becuase he is obese. This would offend most of the TV-America’s sensibilities. It has to be either Jack - tormented Young Man - or Locke - toremented Old Man.
But Hurley really is the hero.
Comment by Hurley is the Hero — May 3, 2007 @ 2:31 pm
I don’t know if Locke is the hero of this epic (although signs are pointing that way), but I’m pretty sure it’s not Jack.
I remember from an early podcast the producers telling us that Jack was supposed to die in the crash. They wanted you to think Jack was the main guy, only to have him die and Kate become the main focus.
That’s stuck with me.
Comment by Uncle Mike — May 3, 2007 @ 2:33 pm
Thanks for doubting me Doc…it gives me a chance to pontificate..:)
1.The Call to Adventure. Where the hero gets his urge to embark.
Jack led the series off with his “call to adventure”: His mother told him to return his father home. He balked and she blamed him for his father leaving in the first place.
2. Refusal of the call: When someone in power impedes: Oceanic would not let him board with his father’s body.
3. Supernatural aid. Where a force intervenes to both start the journey and infuse it with meaning:
I don’t think we’ve seen this part of Jack’s story yet. HOW was he able to convince Oceanic to circumvent their rules???? I’ll be willing to bet someone INTERVENED and set Jack off on his journey. That someone: Richard Alpert.
4.The crossing of the first threshold. The hero arrives into the unnatural realm that he/she must ultimately conquer.
The Island itself. No explanation given yet as to why there was no body in the casket.
5.The Belly of the Whale.
The time Jack spent as a captive for the Others. Dealing with his daddy and wifey issues. Plenty of time to think about that.
6.The road of trials.
His time with the Others, while he cared for Ben. Still unseen, but we know he’s up to something.
7.Rebirth.
Returning to the beach, a different man. Again, up to something.
I’m stopping here because I’m tired.
Once again, you make my brain hurt.
But hopefully you get the point I was trying to make earlier. Different heroes for different folks.
Comment by El Prez — May 3, 2007 @ 2:38 pm
How can Locke be the hero when he manipulates Sawyer to KILL another human being?
Locke may be Redemption in the show.
But he cannot be the hero. His intentions are driven by ego - and he will hurt others when his ego demands it.
Comment by hurley is the Hero — May 3, 2007 @ 2:46 pm
Doc,
After having read both Campbell’s book, and Vogler’s condensed version, “The Writer’s Journey.” I’d say you’re dead on. Especially adding in Desmond as the possible other hero. With Desmond’s power of prognostication and the recent arrival of outside help I’d say he isn’t too far behind Locke either. However, I agree 100% that Locke is at the core of the story and that while Jack may eventually turn out to be a tragic hero, he may also turn out to be Locke’s true nemesis (particularly step 2 of the return).
Aside from that…I just want to say I was jumping out of my chair last night when I saw the preview for next week.
Jack: Where’d you get that?
Sawyer: Do you really think you’re in any position to be asking questions?
TAKE THAT JACK, you self-righteous punk (She’s under my protection)!
Comment by Merlboroman — May 3, 2007 @ 2:53 pm
Wow. I have a ton of respect for you Doc J, I read you every week, but how could you be so far off the mark? It’s like you are reading a different article or something. I find this idea positively brimming with possibilities. The cheap shot about Doc A using a non-fiction reference to back his approach that isn’t even ironic. If anything I see Doc A focusing on the originality of the show and its potential as a great modern interpretation of a myth.
Comment by Jarred — May 3, 2007 @ 3:01 pm
Doc, you have put into words the very things that many have been feeling about the show. You have shown a tremendous amount of intellect and study to arrive at your conclusion.
Personally, I would temper the argument: remember the heroic cycle is one that fits certain stories. It is not an outline that a writer follows when developing a character. There are examples where the hero of the story to the writer was quite different than the hero to the reader. For example, Frodo is seen as the hero in The Lord of the Rings but Tolkien said that Samwise was the true hero.
The exploring of the literary allusions within lost is not a vain exercise. It is good to engage these resources because it gives us a greater understanding of the Character. When Locke takes up the body of Cooper, make no mistake that this is an allusion to The Rime of the Ancient Mariner. When the Mariner is finally free of the albatross, he was freed also from the burden of his guilt.
I also wonder why Campbell was a character that crossed paths with Desmond. Not certain if this was in reference to Joseph or Thomas Campbell. If the former, it could fortell of Desmond’s story being the one of the central hero, or at least the Samwise type Hero to Lockes Frodo.
My mind is spinning. Well done.
Comment by TabulaRasa — May 3, 2007 @ 3:23 pm
Awesome theory. As a Jack fan I’m not sure how to take it
but yea.. good stuff.
Good timing to as I am currently reading “Hero of a Thousand Faces”. Loving it so far. Really interesting stuff.
Comment by Dan — May 3, 2007 @ 3:26 pm
This is just a quick comment in response to those who doubt that Locke can be the hero because he has done ‘bad things’, i.e. convinced little Sawyer to kill big Sawyer, sacrificed Boone to the island, followed his own agenda at all times, etc.
The second definition of hero in the dictionary (I checked out Merriam Webster) is the main character in a story or narrative. The protagonist of a story doesn’t necessarily have to be ‘good’ according to any arbitrary standard that someone chooses to put upon him, and I would argue that a hero is the same. We easily accept an ‘action hero’ on the big screen that kills many ‘bad guys’ in their quest (whatever that may be)… so why not John Locke as a hero that manipulates Sawyer into killing an obviously remorseless jerk of a man to further his quest toward the secrets of the island? We don’t have to agree with his decisions for him to be the hero of the story.
Comment by LostMyMarbles — May 3, 2007 @ 3:37 pm
I’ve never really liked Locke BUT…
If it hadnt been for him:
Hatch would have never been found (it did have a purpose)
And if the hatch hadnt exploded the portuguese would have never found the coordinates to give to Penny so that Naomi could have been sent.
But why did he want to keep the losties in the island?
i think he is a hero in disguise….
Comment by OxfordAngel — May 3, 2007 @ 3:51 pm
I think your wrong I think Locke is evil the way he manipulated sawyer to me he is just another Ben. This show is just not about Locke and everybody is along for the ride the show is about those people.
Comment by rowdy — May 3, 2007 @ 4:01 pm
locke can be the hero, but he should have to pay for what he did to sawyer. it’s like a chain…ben needs to pay, locke needs to pay…
a hero is defined by the outcome of his actions. the way the writers can twist these narratives around on its’ head is amazing, so I wouldn’t be suprised to see a Locke that is shunned, by at least one islander who is the main voice of reason: Jack.
because they(the writers) still haven’t sold us on what exactly the Others are up to. but whatever that is, it has to justify the kidnappings and the murder and the manipulation. i still think jack knows what is really going on, but for some reason, just like the others, he won’t tell, not yet. so i think the show is possibly asking us, the viewer, to put some faith in Jack. i was thinking this morning…remember that scene when Kate comes to rescue jack and jack is sitting at the piano just tinkering away? wouldn’t 5 minutes before that be the perfect time for Ben or Alpert to have told Jack of what was really going on? then right there when seeing kate again Jack was forced to make that decision of silence?
have some faith in jack. or hate him. i don’t care
Comment by Nick H — May 3, 2007 @ 4:18 pm
I posted this on another spoilers blog:
In case people want to know…
…Namaste has a specific meaning in addition to its general use as a greeting.
It means something similar to “the light in me salutes/honors the light in you.”
It is a very spiritual saying, if taken seriously.
A theory: The show combines the interplay between Dharma and Kharma with the notion of the Afterlife, heaven and hell, but especially purgatory. Similar to Eden, where the Garden could provide everything and no one falls sick, the Island is similar - excpet for those far from innocent, those who harbor a dark pain, a guilt, a sin. How they play on the island determines their salvation or their doom.
The island is not heaven or hell, in my opinion but purgatory (I thought this ever since the numbers episode). It is where those who are somehwere between heaven and hell. As such it is also reasonable to consider that the island itself is somewhere between Earth, and the afterlife - a crossroads as you will. Everyone is somehwere along this path, and their understanding of who they are, where they are, and what is going on is representative of this.
Another way to think about it is that the Island is Karma. It is the paying back for the choices that we made during life. How one deals with these choices influences the Islands behavior.
Dharma itself can be considered ones duty or purpose in life. Hence the Dharma Initiative - to realize ones duty or purpose. Sawyer’s may have been realized - his purpose all his life was to avenge the destruction of his family. However, he ended up becoming the man he sought to destroy.
In this sense of purgatory, the Dharma Initiative is desgined to realize the purpose of those who failed to do so during life. Or consequently, to bring each person face to face with their actions, to understand exactly what they did. Sun - she has an affiar, and now that the baby is Jin’s, she is doomed to death.
The island selectively heals those who must still realize their duty or purpose.
Locke is Redemption. He has known that he has a purpose, and this purpose was interfered with by his father. Ben tries to turn Locke into a killer, to mitigate against his “special-ness.” But Lock cannot - he has never been a killer. However, Locke cannot merely be at peace with himself. he now is on his own journey, but he should have just let go of everything. He could not, and when his redeption comes to pass, he will feel, more than any other Lostie, the ramifications of decisions and actions.
He has all along. All the other Losties keep things very hidden, and many continue their behaivor. Said. Jack. Sawyer.
Desmond is Love - or what happens when pride gets int he way of love.
The Other’s are those desperatly clinging onto some kind of hope or desire to overcome death. Remember the fence.
The smoke moster is Death - the death that takes you into the next realm whatever it may be. Remember Eko.
The Test: honor the light in each other. Let go of our attachments. FORGIVE. Ultimately, Locke fails this test. Sawyer fails this test. Jack fails this test. Will Jin? Will Sun - did she forgive already? Will Desmond? And once they forgive, will their pain disappear, like Eko’s?
Finally, the Hero - Hurley. He forgives, understands, tries not to judge. He is (almost) Salvation. But so far, he has not been placed with the Existential decision. He has not had to choose in anguish. Soon, he will.
Comment by Hurley is the Hero — May 3, 2007 @ 4:26 pm
Yes, I agree - Locke is driven by his ego - he thinks he is “special” - and manipulates people to discover why he so.
Why can’t he just be happy that he can walk again?
All these character’s need to FORGIVE:
Jack, his dad.
Kate, her mom.
Sawyer, the other Sawyer he killed.
Desmond - himself.
Sun - herself, and when she finds out Jin killed her lover, Jin.
Jin - Sun, when he finds out she had an affair.
And so on.
The characters need to overcome the doubt that the Others constantly thrust upon them.
Isn’t it funny how NOTHING the Losties do cause the Others to doubt themselves? Why is that?
The story is about acceptance, forgiveness, redemption, and salvation.
So far, Hurley is the only one who seems to have these qualities - But he hasn’t been tested.
Ultimately, the Island is a TEST. Or you can think of it as an experiment, to further the Dharma Initiative further. The initiative - Dharma: duty purpose. To realize our purpose.
From this point of view, Locke is no “special” than any one else.
However, he may be the most aware and open to this than anybody else.
But it is also about the interplay between Karma, Dharma, forgiveness and love.
Namaste - “I honor the light that exists in all of us.”
Comment by Hurley is the Hero — May 3, 2007 @ 4:39 pm
I think the writers have made Locke appear to be the assumed ‘Hero’ allowing the writers to throw everyone off course, although he is my favourite character and i do mostly agree with your ‘theory’. we shouldnt be so addement to prove he is the chief hero.
Im glad Nick H has posted as he has provided a new angle on which to conceptualize on.
Having faith in the other ‘established’ characters, not just jack(who i dislike) but Sayid(maybe not so much), Sawyer and Desmond; may prove to pay good dividends…
Comment by Dave Bifti — May 3, 2007 @ 5:30 pm
DocArzt, this is one bandwagon I’m thrilled to jump on. Very well done.
I couldn’t imagine an undertaking such as Lost not utilizing the Hero’s Journey, but never thought to apply it to a particular character. Locke really is the obvious one, isn’t he? I find this tremendously exciting, because with all the show’s meandering, like many fans, we’ve been getting a bit lost ourselves.
But to have this one thread to hold onto, Locke’s journey, this is really an answer to what we’ve been looking for. This is Deeper Meaning. It’s not so much a spoiler that the rest of the series is ruined, but we can have that confidence that whatever Locke is put through, it’s an integral part of this fable. We still have yet to know what part the rest of the Lostaways and Others play in the long run.
The Jack character was getting old, but now, in this context, no longer. How will the Man of Science’s part play out? Is Jack on that same journey, but headed the other direction? Is his place truly amongst the Others, Dharma, or whomever decided to capture the secrets of the island? I can’t help it, I still love the thought Jack’ll wind up an Other, could make him interesting again.
Even if this doesn’t quite play out to be true, I thank you, Doc. You’ve re-invigorated my interest in this show.
Comment by ungabunga — May 3, 2007 @ 5:34 pm
Clearly thy are not in purgatory….
read it on lost spoilers blog, cant be assed finding the exact post but it was there, written by the writers…
along the lines of
1)they are not dead
2)they are not in purgatory…
Comment by Dabe Bifti — May 3, 2007 @ 5:38 pm
I should stop using ‘Others’ interchangably with ‘bad guy’. Aren’t we meeting another contingent that could ruin the Others? I like the thought that Jack’ll wind up with them, and perhaps pitted against Locke as the series closes. ANYways… good stuff.
Comment by ungabunga — May 3, 2007 @ 5:43 pm
Oooh that tickles my tummy, the thought of a showdown between 2 of the most influential characters in the show.
Comment by Dave Bifti — May 3, 2007 @ 5:48 pm
This is an excellent theory but, could you explain how Lock getting Sawyer to kill Cooper fits in with being a Hero. Locke has always been my favourite character. However, what he did to Sawyer was disgusting and I think, worse than actually killing Cooper himself. Please explain. Thanks for such an interesting post.
Comment by Saskatoonberry — May 3, 2007 @ 5:51 pm
Pass that one, your burning your nails ;D
I really liked that vision of yours, but if find it hard that they are making this kind of prespective. I think the explinnation will be mutch more simple to recongnise.
But hey…you can be on the trail of something big.
Thanks for the words, i enjoy reading it
Comment by Frederico — May 3, 2007 @ 5:52 pm
Sure there is . . . Hurley could be Chewbacca - a big, hairy, humourous guy. Love him, by the way.
Comment by Saskatoonberry — May 3, 2007 @ 5:55 pm
I am a “Star Wars” geek. TPTB are self proclaimed “Star Wars” geeks. I’m willing to bet a lot of you here at thetailsection are as well. That being said, I agree with Doc. Us geeks became such because of the mythology within “Star Wars.” While the action, special effects, and story line were great, the thing that really grabbed us was the force, jedi knights, telekinesis, light sabres, and little green dudes with their mixed up talk. This mythology grasped our not yet fully comprehending minds and didn’t let go (even today). In this vane Locke as the central hero makes perfect sense. While all the story arcs are interesting and mythological in their own right, Locke’s connection with the island and its powers and mysteries are what will create the “Star Wars” type longevity and influence…
Comment by cap10tripps — May 3, 2007 @ 6:02 pm
Cheers to that cap10tripps. It was SW that got me into Campbell’s work, and Campbell’s work that got me out of it. I couldn’t slog through Thousand Faces, but am very grateful to Christopher Vogler for doing the “…for Idiots” version, “The Writer’s Journey”.
Comment by ungabunga — May 3, 2007 @ 6:13 pm
Wow….thats probably the most interesting theory ive heard yet. I think i’ve got the whole dharma/others thing figured out, and some other mini mysteries, which has basically been distracting me from thinking about what you have been thinking about, which is that the hero, the guy whos story is going to pull it all together, is so obviously LOCKE! You just cant have a story without a hero, so I like that they have been switching them around like you said, everyone is a hero in there own right. That why you dont get sick of “mr hero guy”(or girl), it takes the cheeseiness factor right out, because ill tell you right now, if it was Jack, jack jack, all fucking jack, i would be questioning my existance. I dont play into the whole compairing Lost to books or movies thing either, maybe because I dont have enough knowledge of either to really do that, but mostly because I just dont see Lost that way. I dont think ive ever had an idea about lost that could directly relate to something else, because then something would happen in the show that would contradict that previous comparason, it only wastes time, and you end up going in circles, confusing yourself, and bothering everyone around you. Not to mention all these crazy quantum physics theorys…and other things that are so complicated the general public wouldn’t understand, people are already complaining about lost being too confusing, why would the writers make it even harder to understand? and if they still cant understand, then a good hero story is what they need, everyone likes that right?
wow i just realized how long i have been typing for, sorry for the rant. anyways, as you can see, i enjoyed your little (well not so little) “2,000 word essay” and it did indeed provoke thought.
Comment by Jess — May 3, 2007 @ 7:18 pm
Love the site! I think your theory makes alot of sense. And I can’t believe people would actually send hate mail over a difference of oppinion. Oh wait a minute YES I can lol. The world is full of nut jobs and that only proves that theory! My guess on that is, they are just wanting to argue, makes their small little lives feel more important. Pssst… they probably don’t even have any theorys of their own. I am so disappointed that Lost isn’t even in the top 10 anymore. My guess on that one is… People don’t like to watch shows where they may acutally have to use their brains to keep up with it. Which is what we all love about it. Give me Lost and Heros any day over Desperate Housewives!
Comment by Teresa — May 3, 2007 @ 8:40 pm
What the hell Jensen. Somebody else comes up with a theory built on solid research and you act like its some kind of thought police manifesto. Hey, the piece was long but you should have at least READ IT before you attacked Arzty. It is very clear to me that what doc is saying is that he doesn’t like it when people say that LOST is just a rip off of several different stories. I never expected to see Doc Jensen play comment troll.
Comment by Jeebs — May 3, 2007 @ 10:59 pm
sexy.
Comment by HateKate — May 3, 2007 @ 11:45 pm
very interesting theory with a lot of validity to it…..but I am not sure if I agree. I don’t really think there is one true hero on this show. I think we have seen from every character so far they are all flawed in some way. And the way Locke manipulated Sawyer was not heroic at all but more cowardly imho. I like his character a lot, but I think the writers have some interesting surprises for us. We’ve heard that Claire and Hurley are going to play major parts in the finale, so I will wait to see what that brings before I decide on this or not. But really well thought out. Good stuff.
Comment by bjorn — May 4, 2007 @ 1:10 am
I love it. It all makes sense the way you lay it out. From the start of season 1, most of my Lost theories have had Locke at the center of them. From ‘it’s all an RPG’ to ‘they’re all sharing a dream while cryogenically frozen on a long Space journey’ etc, etc, etc.
Nothing would make me happier than to have this all come down to Locke’s story as you’ve laid it out. Well, I guess I could be happier… if in the end Locke ‘took’ Danielle as his Queen, Desmond as his Hans Solo, Sayid as his r2D2, Sawyer as his Wookie and Hurley as his C3P0.
Comment by Gramma — May 4, 2007 @ 1:16 am
I wondered when we would see someone grace these ‘pages’ with Campbell’s myth analysis. Locke would seem to be the logical choice; AT THIS TIME. I would say he is the front runner but….. Heros almost always have sidekicks. Samwise was THE hero of LOR yet he was a background character for most of the story. The little guys in bad costumes were the heros of the last SW story and again they appeared to arrive as a last minute addition. Hmmm….Charlie is the real hero? Or maybe Walt? Hurley would be too easy but would make an excellent sidekick. Ever notice how Hurley is always there when something big is happening?
Doc, since you semm to grasp Campbell’s philosophies with great understanding (flattery will help, no?) could you look at the other characters and see where they ‘fit’ into the Campbell universal myth? If we can fit the characters into their places like a jigsaw puzzle then the real hero should be exposed.
One more little thing — how does the french woman figure into all of this? She is one hell of a lurker.
Comment by dug — May 4, 2007 @ 3:42 am
To EVERYONE WHO THINKS LOCKE MANIPULATED SAWYER…
Were we watching the same episode? Because by the end of that episode I didn’t get the impression that Sawyer was upset at Locke after he had killed Sawyer/Cooper. Sure he threw up, but I got that as more of a response to the fact that he finally achieved what he had meant to do since he wrote that letter. He asked Locke if he was coming back to the camp, he asked Locke if it was true about him having been crippled, and he took the tape recorder (along with the revelation about Juliet) without questioning Locke to the nth degree. Sure, Locke manipulated him at first, but Sawyer seemed okay with it once he finally realized why. To me, it was the most brilliant scene (Josh Holloway deserves an f’ing Emmy for this episode) where Sawyer fought with himself not to kill this man, but Cooper/Sawyer gave him every reason to do it. Locke gave him the opportunity. He didn’t force James to wrap the chain around Cooper’s neck. IMHO this episode alone is a perfect example of why Lost is the best television show…EVER!
Comment by Merlboroman — May 4, 2007 @ 4:06 am
The cool thing is, they have used other variations of the monomyth on the sub characters, which is awesome. I’m actually considering a more ambitious project… stay tuned…
Comment by DocArzt — May 4, 2007 @ 4:17 am
The hero is flawed. Purging himself of flaws is part of the the process.
Comment by DocArzt — May 4, 2007 @ 4:19 am
Doc, I’m with you.
THE BRIG demonstrated that the writers are “going there”.
There were so many STAR WARS influences in the show this week … and by that, I mean the Joseph Campbell influences. At times Locke was like Yoda. At others, Locke is like Luke Skywalker (and so was Sawyer).
The imagery of Locke carrying his dead father on his shoulders was …. trippy. The writers are creating literal images of thematic material now.
The only thing I can’t figure out is what’s happening to Jack. We were made to believe that Jack was our hero. However, because of the mystery they’ve been creating over the last few episodes, Jack has revealed NOTHING, although everyone is sure SOMETHING is going on with him.
So … fascinating post, Doc!
Comment by Matt-DC — May 4, 2007 @ 5:37 am
post 100
Comment by DP — May 4, 2007 @ 6:02 am
Excellent thesis! I actually read it twice! I do have a question for Jeff Jensen though. I’m totally puzzled by your hostility because this seems right up your alley! With all due respect, I think you misinterpreted Doc’s point that trying to figure out LOST by looking in other works of literature is a bit of a fools errand. I did not get the same impression that you got. My impression is that Doc A is trying to say to look beyond the influences and have a more low level approach. Am I right Doc A?
Comment by Professor — May 4, 2007 @ 6:16 am
The hero is typically someone on the outside whose journey ends up “saving” everyone else. The hero is almost never the leader of the group. A great example would be Beowulf.
So Jack being thrust into the role of the leader, as well as Sawyer, does not compete with this thesis.
The weakness in Lost’s story right now is the lack of a personified threat. Who or what is Grendel? Who is the Bad Guy? Is it Jacob? Is it Ben? Is it the Island?
Comment by TabulaRasa — May 4, 2007 @ 6:33 am
Prof - What got Jeff’s goat was my statement that I don’t participate/admire breaking the story down to the ‘chromosome’. The whole “Lost Genome Project.” It is not much of a reach, but yes it was taken out of context; probably due to a lack of clarity on my behalf. I actually stated my point badly twice, which believe me is just a symptom of not having enough time to edit. That particular aspect I do not enjoy or participate in is LIMITING the literary connections to particular works. That is closed minded. I’m far more interested in the dichotomy of the influences than any one iteration. Am I getting any clearer?
Comment by DocArzt — May 4, 2007 @ 6:42 am
First off… I never come to this site for theories, just for news, but this blew my fricken socks off. I too get annoyed at all the people on the boards trying to tie the story to this bible verse, or that obscure philosopher, I mean these guys are staging a circus with that stuff. They laugh all the way to the bank when people get so deeply into these little references. It’s like stupid people tricks or something. “Watch this, we’ll mention a philospher and tomorrow there will be millions of posts on it.”
People think that stuff is so important but it is really just to distract folks from having this kind of conversation. What’s funny is that they have more or less admitted this. I remember Carlton saying that they had particular “Mile Markers”, he was no doubt talking about these cyclic phases you talk about.
You don’t have to explain yourself at all Doc, you composed a very compelling piece of information and I can a lot of fans adopting this approach. Screw the nerds with their hyperbole saturated drivel, they are all unwitting players in the writers room’s theater of the absurd - just like Juliet said when they found out about the sailboat. “Let them sail around in circles, it’ll just keep them busy.” That’s precisely what all these literary nods in the show are. Well, also a well meaning attempt to boost literacy for sure… but I digress. Good job. Screw the hate.
Comment by WaltsRealDad — May 4, 2007 @ 7:53 am
Great, insightful post. I have always thought that Lost’s heart lied in the personal journeys of its characters. I agree that Locke’s journey is key to the tale that Lost is telling. He is no doubt its protagonist but isn’t he too conflicted, too easily manipulated to be its’ hero?
I am eager to hear your “take” on Desmond for he may be the character that decides their fate…if he has not done so already. There is something about him - his devotion, his single-mindedness, his ability to observe and think that sets him apart from the rest.
Comment by Carmela — May 4, 2007 @ 9:16 am
Wonderful…very thought-provoking. The themes of redemption, forgiveness, salvation run thru your theory. This is what makes Lost soar. The characters that can appear so flawed but are so human.
Comment by Oliver — May 4, 2007 @ 9:38 am
Hi, this is my first post on this board. I’m a chronic lurker–love it.
Some previous posts indicate that Locke can’t be a hero because he did something bad or evil by “tricking” Sawyer into killing “real” Sawyer. That’s not my take at all. In addition to the fact that not all heroes have to be pure “good guys,” Locke knew that Sawyer needed to kill real Sawyer in order to have closure and get past the revenge. Sawyer wasn’t mad at Locke after it happened. When he realized what Locke knew–that the man who was Locke’s father was also Sawyer’s nemesis–Sawyer probably saw Locke as a savior of sorts. The reason Locke had to trick Sawyer to going to the Black Rock is that Sawyer simply wouldn’t have believed him: “Hey Sawyer, my dad’s on the island, and he’s the man who swindled your parents out of money and caused your dad to kill your mom and then himself.” C’mon, Locke was just being smart. Manipulative, yes, but also smart AND he killed two birds with one stone, so to speak (Sawyer’s desire to kill Sawyer; Locke’s need to have Sawyer dead).
Comment by ZeeZoZoZeeZatFratGlutz — May 4, 2007 @ 10:50 am
You actually sound hot. I geek in disgise. nice.
I actually think there is more, as far as the other survivors having a more significant role than you are giving them credit for. But I like you well thought out interpretation. So do you think Ben is testing him or just trying to keep him close to keep an eye on him? I kind of think that Ben is actually testing him, but then again that would be what Locke would natually figure of him, so to throw Locke off he is playing the I am your friend, but wait, you don’t deserve it game. Plus, I think Locke is trying to play games himself. He knows Ben likes to play mind games, but yet he follows every bone Ben throws at him. Example the tape recorder hiding place in plain sight, the information about Juliet being a mole, time for him by himself to supposedly kill his dad..and so on. So he is trying not to burn bridges, I know, but he is still playing games along WITH Ben to get what he wants know.
So what is your theory about once he gets the info, will he use it for himself? Why would Ben actually help him do that if they are so protective of their secrets?
Comment by lostfreak — May 4, 2007 @ 1:49 pm
opps, I meant to say above “A geek in disguise. Nice.”
Anyway, what if Ben is also a sort of hero, wanting to be free as the leader of the island. He said he doesn’t want to loose respect from his people if he does certain things. Just another thought. Ben & Locke could actually become best friends for good, or turn not so good like anikan in starwars.
Comment by lostfreak — May 4, 2007 @ 1:54 pm
That was a great read. I bought “Hero With a Thousand Faces” years ago but couldn’t get into it. Between this article and the article “Why Dumbledore Had to Die” from the Harry Potter SmartPop book, I think I should reexamine it.
Comment by Mark — May 4, 2007 @ 2:12 pm
god… who has the time to write such nonsense about a tv show. glad i didnt read it.
Comment by damon — May 4, 2007 @ 4:07 pm
God, who has the time to go to a website based around these types of posts, then take the time to bash it for its own purpose. Oh, my bad. I guess I assumed people who don’t like these sorts of things wouldn’t waste their own time…
Comment by cap10tripps — May 4, 2007 @ 4:38 pm
Everyone knows that Gollum was the true hero of Lord of the Rings. We also know that Vader was the primary hero of Star Wars. It was, and always will be, Vader’s story of redemption moreso than Luke’s “peasant hero” journey. I do agree that Locke could indeed be the primary hero of Lost and, if that were the case, perhaps now he is about to take his “turn to the dark side” where he will eventually be redeemed in the end as the ultimate hero. Good theory, Doc.
Comment by Rob — May 4, 2007 @ 4:46 pm
I definitely agree with Vader/Anakin being the ultimate hero in “Star Wars” (which I believe the writers/producers of LOST could very well be following with Locke). However, I don’t really agree with Gollum. The hero had to be Frodo. We watched him almost fall to the ring’s dark power. He ultimately fights through the darknes (with Sam’s help) and destroys the ring. Gollum was always consumed by the ring’s power…
Comment by cap10tripps — May 4, 2007 @ 5:18 pm
While Frodo was the focus of the primary story of the ring going to Mt. Doom let’s not forget that Frodo ultimately failed. In the end, he became consumed by the will of the ring. Had Gollum not stepped in, the free people of Middle-earth would’ve been enslaved by Sauron. Gollum’s story was tragic and although he was fully consumed by the ring, he inadvertently saved the world. Frodo was a heroic figure too as was Samwise and Aragorn. All of their stories had a large impact on the overall story. Sounds a lot like Lost doesn’t it.
Comment by Rob — May 4, 2007 @ 8:33 pm
dude, seriously. some people don’t know that dude
Comment by nick — May 5, 2007 @ 4:28 am
Sometimes people think way too much about this show…don’t take me the wrong way or anything, but people continually think stuff like “oh, they must be in purgatory” and you know that there will eventually be a legitimate explanation to everything. Remember, it’s a TV Show made for the masses, not just smart people. It’s not a complicated piece of literature that needs to be thoroughly dissected.
Comment by Jared Katz — May 5, 2007 @ 5:58 am
Good point…
Comment by cap10tripps — May 5, 2007 @ 8:05 am
We have discussed this point many times here at thetailsection. Your points are valid, but if you think in terms of “Star Wars” you’ll see that LOST is made for the masses, but it is the overall mythology within the show that will ultimately give it its lasting appeal. You won’t have to disect the mythology (just as “Star Wars” was a great movie for the masses even without its mythologies) to enjoy and appreciate the show, but those of us who come to thetailsection love to discuss things like black holes, alternate timelines, parallel universes, psychic smoke monsters, boxes, etc…
Comment by cap10tripps — May 5, 2007 @ 8:15 am
I agree with this, since the second half of season 2 I have thought that Locke is the true archetypal hero on Lost.
I also believe the story is unfolding to have Locke eventually kill Ben.
Comment by Kdawg — May 5, 2007 @ 6:35 pm
Excellent theory. I see the pattern. I think if they were really smart they would build us up to this 1 all important reveal finale and make it a 3 hr release at the theatre.They would probably break all box office records!
Comment by Darren Dixon — May 5, 2007 @ 7:30 pm
Sounds something along the lines of D & D and therapy simulation. Constructive rehab.
Also sounds very parallel to my theory.
Comment by enigmaticdragon — May 6, 2007 @ 3:24 am
It is my take that Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof are clearly living any writer’s fantasy and having the time of their lives in the process. In regard to divining who the story’s hero is and exactly what is going to happen to the LOST characters, I would point to Stephen King’s book “On Writing,” as Cuse and Lindelof already have. King’s thesis statement on storytelling is that the good writer doesn’t decide what eventually happens in a story, the characters do. King explains that the writer’s task is to put a collection of characters, bad and good, into a particular situation, and then see what happens. I don’t think that even Cuse and Lindelof really know exactly what is going to happen when LOST plays itself out. When writing a novel, the writer will find the plotline changing and different characters stepping forth as one honestly allows the story to develop. In the case of a television story like Lost, which spans several years, there are many more variables other than character development which can alter the author’s intended plotline. Ratings, actors contracts, career, and personal life changes, traffic arrests, interpersonal dynamics on the set, and unplanned real world events provide accidental input which can send the story’s plot reeling in new directions. The fact that LOST began by allowing that “no one is safe” has put even more freedom into this natural law. Instead of being a tolerated evil, change has become the point of the story, the embrace of the alternate timeline. It would be nice if X would happen, but because of Y we will end up with A - that is until B sends us back to X - for now. So predict and analyze if you must, but I think that Cuse and Lindelof are actually only a few steps ahead of us, and are just as LOST and exilerated as the rest of us as we chase this rollicking story off across that dangerous and beautiful landscape.
Comment by TS — May 6, 2007 @ 12:53 pm
I don’t really see how regurgitating Campbell counts as a fresh or brilliant theory. It is, however, a nice application of the whole Heroes Journey model… so good job for that.
Regardless — the cult of the Others is all a twist on Scientology! The black smoke is the equivalent of thetans incarnate. Ben insisting that Locke literally kill the one person in his life that is a negative spector and is holding him back is an extreme play on one of Scientology’s main tenets (cutting negative influences from your life).
Comment by Matt — May 7, 2007 @ 8:09 am
Matt - Campbell was not responsible for identifying the monomyth. He is just a point of reference. I don’t think he ever saw LOST either, so I don’t see how the work of connecting points of Locke’s journey to the pertinent phases of the cycle to prove the central thesis, which is that Locke is the hero, could be considered regurgitation…
Comment by DocArzt — May 7, 2007 @ 11:24 am
Somehow, I have never heard of Joseph Campbell, or The Hero With a Thousand Faces.
Thanks to your fascinating theories, my copy arrived from Amazon today and I’m on page 35 - this is dense, very interesting reading, that I think came along at the right time for me.
Thanks!
Comment by AcidCat — May 9, 2007 @ 7:03 pm
There goes that theory?
Comment by Sarah Rasmussen — May 9, 2007 @ 8:01 pm
So is Locke dead now or what? That might put a crimp in your theory (which I was buying right up until Ben shot John!)
Comment by Anon — May 9, 2007 @ 8:12 pm
Life is a journey from womb to tomb, fate being our birth and death our destiny along the way we find ourselves precariousely pearched
between temptation and inclination, the fool’s surcumb and the hero prevails, his attributes transcend the tomb via myth and lore if locke dies he will be restored he is both damned and doomed to bring about the absolute right even if he has to do wrong. The fabric of this story is woven of threads old and proven but the loom of the writers mind is not bound by those threads.We see patterns but do not recognize the image and cannot until we over come the ignorance of our purpose of heroic emergence.
Comment by jusgr8 — May 10, 2007 @ 9:00 am
Life is a journey from womb to tomb, fate being our birth and death our destiny along the way we find ourselves precariousely pearched
between temptation and inclination, the fool’s surcumb and the hero prevails, his attributes transcend the tomb via myth and lore if locke dies he will be restored he is both damned and doomed to bring about the absolute right even if he has to do wrong. The fabric of this story is woven of threads old and proven but the loom of the writers mind is not bound by those threads.We see patterns but do not recognize the image and cannot until we over come the ignorance of our purpose of heroic emergence.
Comment by jusgr8 — May 10, 2007 @ 9:00 am
I think that NOW we have reached step 7, Rebirth.
Locke will rise stronger from his first confrontation with Ben (the final trial), and now steps 8 and 9 will take place, when Locke confronts a threatned Ben.
Comment by Lost_in_Brazil — May 10, 2007 @ 5:47 pm
Just wondering, did you guys notice that all of the members of the tail section of the plane except for the kids are dead?
Comment by Peter — May 10, 2007 @ 11:51 pm
Another question…How the hell did Locke know that his father was actually connected to Sawyer’s past?
Comment by Peter — May 10, 2007 @ 11:59 pm
Check this out… I stumpled upon it but it seems to be foreshadowing your Gilgamesh theory.
http://humpys.net/view_pic.php?id=39&season=2
Comment by John M — May 11, 2007 @ 12:02 am
Hey, I’m doing media coursework on whether Jack conforms to the typical elements of the clichéd hero, and i have a couple of questions on what you have said in this blog (if that’s what it is??). What do you mean that Jack seems like the ‘obvious’ choice for a hero?, and what do you think defines a hero?
Comment by amanda — November 19, 2007 @ 5:51 am