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More LOST Season Three Finale Spoilage

Lost Spoilers — April 30, 2007 at 6:35 am by DavidHume

More rumors involving the finale…

From the Palm Beach Post:

Word is a few castaways won’t survive. Yeah, I’m talking about you, Charlie (Dominic Monaghan) and Ben (Michael Emerson).

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Yea killing Ben would be a huge mistake. They can’t give him 1 40 min episode that only has 5, 5 minute flashback scenes and expect us to be happy with that? This guy has boat loads of information and so much character revelations and development that it would be so dumb to kill him off.

Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — April 30, 2007 @ 7:03 am
Too bad I love Ben’s conversations like with Locke in the hatch and later in otherville. He is a interesting character. Do you think that Locke brings Ben with a bag over his head and tells Sawyer that it is Cooper. It looks like Ben to me with the bag over his head? He is more slighter built than Cooper.

In this weeks podcast D/C answer a question about the other’s interest in the children being more than the stated pregnancy problems. They confirmed that the Others are after the children due to special abilities that they posess. So the question is; Is there really a problem with Sun’s baby or are they just planning to abduct her and take the her baby for their own purposes.

Comment by H20 — April 30, 2007 @ 7:04 am
ben? now that would be a shock, not a good one either!! i like him!

Comment by rich — April 30, 2007 @ 7:05 am
In finale spoilers, Dominic aka Charlie said that he would be writing a song in his flashback ep, and that in the final, the song would be there, but in an unexpected manner. To me, that means that either someone manages to leave the island with his song, or Charlie somehow travels to his alternate timeline and makes the song successful.

I am not a huge fan of the multiple-timelines theory, but in this sense, it might explain how Charlie’s song is in the finale, but not Charlie.

Comment by kkty — April 30, 2007 @ 7:19 am
forreal.

Ben is like my 3rd favorite character.

Comment by Taylor — April 30, 2007 @ 7:20 am
I posted this in a thread a few days ago after first watching D.O.C. and after listening to the Podcast and considering this spoiler I still beleive it to be true;

“I think that the story about the pregnant women does not ring true. There does not seem to be any information about what happens to the babies they only talk about the mother’s dying. I think as usual they are being lied to. I think that is why Juliet said to Syaid that if you knew the truth you would want to kill me. Whatever the Other’s are doing it is for their own collective benefit and the Losties are expendable. Juliet though is conflicted she is doing the wishes of the Others because she is lied to about her sister and about being able to leave the island. I think as I said last week that her sinister look at the end of “One of Us” means that she is laying a trap for Ben who we now know she hates. I think Jack may be in on her plan.”

So who get’s rid of Ben: Locke/Sawyer or Jack/Juliet?

Comment by H20 — April 30, 2007 @ 7:20 am
This is the third article in several weeks to hint that those two in particular will die- one was from Entertainment Weekly, and one blurb from the Contra Costa Times. Why are the producers so determined to link those two together in death- is it true, is it half true[which better mean Charlie's part is the truth]or are they purposely misleading them because an even bigger main character will die instead?

Comment by robert — April 30, 2007 @ 7:27 am
Sounds like a counter-intelligence op to me. Put false information next to an accepted truth giving the false information more weight.

Everyone is on the chopping block. We should NOT be surprised even if our most beloved character gets killed. And if that happens, then there had better be a grand new mystery or old mystery revitalized to be the cause. Something that will carry our imaginations to next January.

This season finale needs a “who shot JR” moment to justify the wait for next season.

Comment by TabulaRasa — April 30, 2007 @ 7:37 am
I don’t think they will kill Ben although I wouldn’t be shocked if they did. What I find most interesting about these finale leaks is how the clash will be reminiscent of another event on the island. I’m assuming that this refers to the “Purge” of the others by DHARMA, and I’m guessing that this has happened before on this island, probably repeatedly throughout history. The interesting thing to see will be if the lostaways take over the duties the Others seem to have taken over from DHARMA. That would be a pretty cool thing, although not terribly original.

My guess for a death is Locke. I think Charlie may possibly survive as there have been so many rumors about his death and we know that the producers are releasing lots of foilers. We know there will be a Locke / Jack showdown and Locke is now “with” the others, so to follow the historical pattern we would conclude that Locke or Ben die or are deposed and Jack takes over.

Comment by Eric — April 30, 2007 @ 7:48 am
I agree with Jack & Juliet having a plan. I saw a preview last night where Kate told Jack that Desmond doesn’t trust him to check out Naomi. Jack & juliet have a conversation (I can’t remember who said what) saying they should tell her (Kate, I’m assuming) the plan, but the other said they need to wait. Could this be the same kind of idea as Jack not telling Sawyer, Kate & Hurley about his & Sayid’s suspisions of Michael and plans to ambush the Others in “Live Together, Die Alone”? The Others may be watching, and letting the other survivors know their plan could tip the Others off and screw up their plan.

Of course, this could just be the way the promo clip was editited and could mean something entirely different!

Comment by Pete317 — April 30, 2007 @ 7:55 am
Doc, u should make a poll if Ben should live or Die. my vote would deff be for him to Live.

Comment by Jimyy — April 30, 2007 @ 7:55 am
The way I imagine season 3 ending, is a final scene where Hurley, Locke, Jack, or some equally popular character, out of no where, gets thier head blow off, or some egually skocking death out of left field. Then, as that character falls to the gorung dead, we see, behind our dead hero, the new villains. This way, we have an instant connection to our new villains. That is what they will have to do to get us dreading/hating the new bad guys before the new season starts.

Comment by AREM — April 30, 2007 @ 8:00 am
Interesting… I think it would have to be Hurley since he seems to be the most liked of the Losties and would have the most emotional impact. Also, it would be interesting if this was common enemy to both the Losties & the Others. The real DHARMA perhaps?

Comment by Pete317 — April 30, 2007 @ 8:39 am
Um…….I think Ben dying/getting killed is exactly what needs to happen to further this story line.
I mean, we all are speculating on Dual time lines and such, and how pregnant mothers die on the island, cloning etc.

What do those 3 things add up to when you put ‘Ben’s death’ in there too? It sounds to me like the character will get killed, but the actor will remain. In other words, getting killed on the island (like Mikhail), doesn’t necessarily mean, you are off the show.
I think we will see Ben die in order to tie up lots of loose ends, in that he will be resurrected in some way, either as Jacob, or simply as another version of himself. I have also been wondering if, due to the time situation, Jack and Aaron are the same people, or Aaron and Ben, or Aaron and Desmond. If time is really skewed so badly and people are able to alter the future, such as it is, then it isn’t much of a stretch for me to see that the circle of life is present on the island, and consciousness may be able to be transferred from one entity to another.

Comment by Orangebox — April 30, 2007 @ 8:41 am
Yeah its a spoiler for the finale saying the Charlie will die? CHARLIE ISN’T EVEN IN THIS EPISODE

Charlie can’t swim, right? Hows this:
He connects the wires, nearly drowns, passes out, has a whole Desmond travel back in time thing and actually changes the past so that he never comes to the island? Desomond DID change the past, but just in a very small way (getting hit on the head with the bat).
I don’t think Charlie will be in Season 4, but I’m pretty sure he wont die. It would be like Sun dying 2 months after Juliette predicted it. We’ve known about Charlie since episode 8!

Comment by Hickabod — April 30, 2007 @ 8:43 am
did anyone know that J.J. Abrams full name is Jeffrey JACOB Abrams ? interesting huh?

Comment by jimyy — April 30, 2007 @ 8:43 am
BEN!?! NO!!!!!!!!!!! :’(

Comment by Jeff — April 30, 2007 @ 9:00 am
bollocks, since when Ben is a castaway?

Comment by Gessle — April 30, 2007 @ 9:04 am
Very interesting idea. But it is possible too that what Desmond did is stop Charlie from dying a meaningless death (many times over). But in Greatest Hits Charlie will die after he accomplishes something very important like connecting the wire. Doing this may have even bigger implications to the Losties eventually being saved. But his new song may show he was sucessful in the other timelime and still exist there. Thus Desmond’s knowledge of the other timeline and changes to this one would be important to the final outcome.

Comment by H20 — April 30, 2007 @ 9:19 am
NOOOO! They cant kill ben! Lovin michael emerson’s work he must stay. The charlie dying thing is properly past its sell by date. He must die soon surely?

Comment by WILLOW — April 30, 2007 @ 9:22 am
I’m looking at the picture on page 35 of the latest issue of Wizard magazine. The article features an interviews with Tim Kring (Heroes) and Damone Lindelof. I think the picture is a subtle hint of how the 815ers are going to be divided. There are 8 of them shown. In the center Jack and Sayer stand with their back to one another. Next to them, Sayid is facing Sawyer (on his left) and Sun is facing Jack (on his right). Next to Sayid, Kate is facing the camera just as Charlie is doing next to Sun. Anyway…without fully describing the picture the division is this: Saywer/Locke with Sayid, Kate and Hurley. Jack with Sun, Charlie, Jin, and Claire.

Comment by Merlboroman — April 30, 2007 @ 9:38 am
do the bartman!

Comment by homer — April 30, 2007 @ 9:58 am
I’m thinking that Ben will die by the hands of the mysterious Jacob. This will be the cliffhanger for season 4. Ben failed Jacob maybe the Others lose the showdown and Jacob is really piss and makes himself known. What do you think?

Comment by homermoose — April 30, 2007 @ 10:05 am
Just a thought, I want Juliet to die too. If there are going to be 5 death in May, Juliet has to be one of them. Lying skank!

Comment by Merlboroman — April 30, 2007 @ 10:09 am
For the last time… Mikhail didn’t die. No one checked his pulse, it was obvious he was breathing, and although somewhat blood soaked, there was nothing to prove he died.

It’s the tried and true LOST setup… give us a modicum of the facts and let our imagination do the rest.

Comment by Joe Cobb — April 30, 2007 @ 10:40 am
Can people like Merlboroman stop being such idiots?
Juliet isn’t a liar, she’s probably the most normal person on that island.
I think the Others are somehow blackmailing her but she has no intentions to hurt anyone.

Comment by someone — April 30, 2007 @ 11:28 am
If season 4 is gonna be as dark and intense as its shaping up to be, then I would think that they would get rid of most of the comic relief so they could keep the story mostly serious and not have to service people like Charlie, Hurley, and others who arent serious actors that will provide the drama that promises to make up season 4.

Comment by AREM — April 30, 2007 @ 11:40 am
I agree with arem. Lost is going to become a more serious show from now on. I think they will keep Hurley but we will find out he is not as innocent as we thought he was.

Please no more stories about frogs or ping pong. Give us more Dharma and the Others.

Comment by detective — April 30, 2007 @ 11:53 am
Hurley having a more sordid past than his flashbacks let on is like some secret dream of mine come true. I’m holding out on getting pumped on it because I couldn’t handle life if it wasn’t for real. Hurley’s whole deal is second only to Locke’s in my book.

What I’m hoping is that there is actually some substance to all of the crazy crap we saw while he was in the mental home. Dave, the 2 polaroids that don’t match up, Libby etc.

At least one of those things has to play a major part in the whole over-arcing mystery of the island/others, right?

Comment by Jimmy Zer0 — April 30, 2007 @ 11:59 am
If the 815ers have been declared dead by the outside world, that means Hurley’s $156 million has gone to his Mom and Cheech has probably gone through all of it by now.

Comment by gusteaux — April 30, 2007 @ 12:02 pm
When I think of the Hurley scenario, I can’t help but think of the movie Identity starring John Cusak. If you have seen the movie you can comment further, but I would hate to give away the ending to the movie. However, there could be parallels…

Comment by TabulaRasa — April 30, 2007 @ 12:25 pm
Did someone say parallel?

This show is all about the Polyverse (not, just the universe).

Comment by orangebox — April 30, 2007 @ 12:30 pm
Hurley’s story is becoming a bit more clouded. The whole, “Oops,” when setting off the flare is confounding (coupled with him telling Mikhail about the phone). Is he just an idiot, or is their something else in play here???

Comment by cap10tripps — April 30, 2007 @ 12:36 pm
Hey…someone…how about making a thread personal with the insults.

Juliet chose to be in the situation she is in. Remember she grabbed that glass of milk and chugged. She was pretty willing to go along with Ben’s plan to infiltrate the 815ers. I don’t care if she’s doing it just to get back to her sister. What does that say about her? That’s she’s selfish. She’ll screw over other’s to get what she wants most. She wouldn’t have been away from her sister had she not agreed to go on the island in the first place. She chose to be there, the 815ers didn’t. Do I need to explain further why she’s a skank? Take that…IDIOT!

Comment by Merlboroman — April 30, 2007 @ 1:54 pm
One other thought on Juliet and her capacity to tell the truth, she is testing human subjects in an experiment that kills the person being studied. She is responsible for the deaths of at least 9 (8 women and Danny) people and possibly 10 if Kate gets pregnant. These are deaths by her own hand, in full knowledge of the consequences of her actions.

She has a responsibility as a doctor to fully disclose the almost certain outcome of getting pregnant on the island, death.

Comment by TabulaRasa — April 30, 2007 @ 2:05 pm
Yes - I believe Hurley has experienced multiple time lines, a la desmond, and possibly isnt aware of it, making him “crazy” and thus ends up in the looney house, as he cannot explain whats going on from the timeline changes. I think his “misfortunes” (meteor hitting his chicken shack, uncle dying, stage colapsing, moms house on fire) etc is the course correction for things hes changed (unwillingly) via his multiple timelines.
I beliebe the others know of this and manipulate time travel. Mikhail did die, but he knew if he died, another other could go back in time to the moment he died and change it slightly as to make him live. Its why miss klugh was not afraid to be shot, she knew she would not die.

Comment by Jose — April 30, 2007 @ 2:23 pm
It does have the stench of foilers about it…

But still, HA! For weeks I’d been saying Ben’s a goner. Aren’t we supposed to be meeting some new contingent on the island, Dharma or more others, who are supposed to be stronger than Ben & Co.? What better way to prove badassery than to kill the figurehead of this lesser group, who we know, love and respect?

Killing him is necessary to take this new group seriously, otherwise their introduction would be just another (to some) Jump the Shark moment for this show.

Danielle deserves her revenge for the theft of Alex. Danielle was confirmed to be getting a flashback in the 4th season, (confirming her place as a major character of the series.) Could she be a member of this new contingent? The Snake in the Mailbox?

Emerson is going nowhere. Ben will continue to exist in some form. Darlton hasn’t denied the notion of cloning, have they?

Comment by ugabunga — April 30, 2007 @ 2:24 pm
Merlboroman, I understand the frustration when a blogger makes a personal insult. Just try to understand that they are either about 12-15 years old, or their life is so miserable that they resort to putting people down to achieve a fake pedestal for them to stand above you on. I would have responded to them before you did, but I felt he was better off ignored. By the way, I just ordered the firs four in “The Dark Tower Series.” Your “Nexus of All Worlds” theory forced me to buy them. I can’t wait…

Comment by cap10tripps — April 30, 2007 @ 2:28 pm
In the Juliet flashback, someone in the operating room tells her that the woman wanted to have a baby and knew full well the consequences of that. She is not keeping anyone in the dark, but I think she is guilty of complicity in the Kate-Sawyer bear cage hookup. Darlton said that there will be some answers which explain more about the others interest in children.

Comment by Thomas — April 30, 2007 @ 2:28 pm
Sayid is gonna die.

Comment by Josh — April 30, 2007 @ 2:45 pm
From a story telling popint of view, there are only a few ways that Ben could go (or not go).

One, he is killed. If they did this, they would have to justify his death. If he just up and died for the sake of being a casualty of the looming war, that would not only be a slap in the face of the fans, but a slap in the face of the actor for wasting all that time biulding a character for nothing. No, if he infact dies in the finale (which I pray to God he doesn’t…..), it will be diong something (stay with me….) heroic.

I say this, because once the new badies arrive, and you can believe they will arrive in the finale in partial if not full force, the new villains will be a common enemy of the Others and the Losties. And IMO, The Others will be revealed to be victims of Dharma and thier cruel experiments, and we will see a new side of the Others. A soft, protective, caring side. And after The Others and the Losties duke it out, they will have to come together to combat this new threat. And, after setting aside thier differences, unite to fight the bad guys. Then, as we begin to like Ben and watch as he and the Losties fight side by side, Ben ‘takes a bullet’, and saves someones life. A fitting end to a man who does nothing but lie.
Then, there is the second possibility; Exact same scenario as above, only after the Other and Losties start fighting side by side, Ben doesn’t die, and lives on through the rest of the series, and struggles to cope with not being in control, but working with Jack, Locke, Sawyer, etc, in a democracy. Ben then becomes a good guy, but with a dark angle on him. He is now helping others and working towarda a common goal (defeating the new villains), but still struggles with his sudden loss of total power. Season four follows Ben’s personal struggles.

Option three is a bit out there but, this being Lost, is totally possible. What if Ben goes on to become even more evil, dangerous, and sinister than before? Think of this; Once the new villains appear, Ben steps back, looks over the whole situation with the new badies, the Losties, and his own personal plans, and decides to go into typical Ben mode, and proceeds to make a deal with these new villains, screwing over everyone, including the Others, just so he will be spared. Then, he is given powers/abilities that allow him to become more powerful and evil than before. A bit more out there, but a possibility nontheless.

Regardless, changes will be going down for Ben. He won’t remain in the position he is currently in, that much is for sure. Whether or not he will be around to see the change of regime on the island, is anyones guess. But, I truely hope that Ben is around for at least another season. He’s to fascinating a character to drop.

Comment by AREM — April 30, 2007 @ 3:35 pm
I think Charlie will be writing a song and we (or better yet, HE) will hear it on the radio or a CD somewhere, finished, maybe even in a flashback. That would solidify the alternate time-lines for sure. As in, we see him write it, finish it (or almost) and then we hear it on the radio in a flashback.

I have been working on a short story that involves this kind of thinking, alternate reality kind stuff, so this idea of Charlie hearing his own song stems from that. I think it would be great

Comment by MajinTopcat — April 30, 2007 @ 3:52 pm
Found this on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desmond_Hume: “He will say his last words the week before the season finale or on the season finale.” WHAT!!! Not Desmond - he’s the best..

Comment by GeeWizz — April 30, 2007 @ 4:05 pm
Here is the latest….it looks like a great final episode.

I heard that ben kills Kate and then Danielle Kills Ben and Sayid on Accident. Danielle then falls out of a tree that she was sitting in and also kicks the bucket. Everyone is mad at Jack because he thought of the Idea to get into the fight. the Group is coming close to him and he fires a hot in the air that Knocks a cocnut out of a tree that lands on Hurleys head killing him. Hurley falls over onto Claire killing her. At the last moment claire tosses her baby away from harm towards sun. Sun reaches to catch the baby only to see that it is not a really baby but a cleverly described Bomb. Charlie Tries to bat it away with his guitar but Foul tips it to a group of background losties…BOOM. Then a Dinosar parachutes in from Nowhere and starts eating everyone until only desomnd is Left. Penny flies her fighter jet in and blast the Dinosar with a missle. Then rescues Desmond. As they fly away we realize they where in a giant Bio Dome minus Paulie Shore the Whole Time!

I might have forgotten or added a few details, having to rememebr the whole thing after a night at the bar…but you get the Drift!

Comment by Kyle — April 30, 2007 @ 4:06 pm
Damn, Kyle. You’ve ruined it for me now! (Good one, brotha!)

Comment by gusteaux — April 30, 2007 @ 4:15 pm
thanks kyle now i officially have nothing to look forward to!

Comment by nick — April 30, 2007 @ 4:31 pm
First of all- Nice one Kyle…Hurley falls on Claire..niice…
Secondly- AREM, great theories…I like the 2nd one best.

Comment by Mek — April 30, 2007 @ 5:09 pm
Kyle that was some seriously funny stuff. Thanks.

Comment by destardi — April 30, 2007 @ 5:48 pm
cap10…the “Take that…IDIOT” is one of those lines that sounds so lame that simply saying, and trying to sound serious, becomes a double insult. It’s like, “See this is how you sound. Sounds stupid doesn’t it. Yeah.”
Now what’s even funnier…I took a minute to explain that.
You’ll love the Dark Tower series, especially being a fan of the Stand. I’ve been working on finals/final papers the passed few weeks so I’ve not had time to concoct anymore insane ramblings (unless you count this response, but it took like 2 min). When Summer get here prepare to have you brain fried, scrambled, and served with rice coated in soy sauce -Chinese style.

Comment by Merlboroman — April 30, 2007 @ 5:52 pm
Someone just posted before that Charlie is writing a song in his flashback episode and that it will be heard in the final episode in a unexpected manner.
I think that there is a timeline thing going on like Charlie wrote the song on the island, but that Naomi girl has heard it before back in the real world or something.

Comment by JMACK — April 30, 2007 @ 5:59 pm
Did anyone stop to think that maybe regrouping the island and starting to focus on Darma. It apears to be more interesting than the others. And the fact that Darma has been left hanging almost all of the third season has to mean somthing large is coming. THE ? has to come in some time soon. Ratings will start to drop if Lost does not start to show some direction

Comment by Mr. Who? — April 30, 2007 @ 6:28 pm
The truth is that lost is falling apart without the island hiarchy. If lost in season 4 does not show some order and direction its ratings will drop greatly. There are still some questionns that have gone unanswerd from the secound season about Darma. I agree that if lost cant find dircetion it is in trouble.

Comment by Hoffer — April 30, 2007 @ 6:36 pm
Merl, I’d like to order mine mu shu style please.

Don’t worry guys, DHARMA’s coming (and they won’t be too happy)…

Comment by cap10tripps — April 30, 2007 @ 6:43 pm
Merl, you are officially the third person to recognize my name from “The Stand.” Ironically the first two were this weekend. I actually got the name from King’s short story “Night Surf” which was kind of an off shoot of “The Stand” (even though “Night Surf” came out first). For those who don’t know, the captain tripps was a slang term for the disease that essentially wipes out Earth. There is some relevance here in LOST.

The Lost Experience has become more and more relevant to those of us researchers who need to know. Supposedly (according to TLE) there is a virus that DHARMA is trying to use for population control. Their optimum goal is 30% infliction. Any more or less would be failure. They seem to believe that this would change the Valenzetti equation and bring about peace, while eliminating things like world hunger. In turn this would essentially stave off human anihlation…

Comment by cap10tripps — April 30, 2007 @ 6:53 pm
I think kate will eventually die through her pregnancy if she is indeed pregnant, i think this will be the big fanale death of lost being a saddenining end, however i think sun will somehow surive her pregnancy but kate for whatever reason will not, i think it would be a big mistake to kill of ben or kate now in the series, and i can’t see sawyer going, i think it maybe sayid or jack, as jack was originally supposed to die back in series 1,so jacks time could be up, i can’t see how locke will die lost with no locke is not lost!

Comment by nickk — April 30, 2007 @ 6:57 pm
cap10tripps, when I read The Stand, all i could do was imagine the characters being played by the actors from lost. That book rules the fucking school.

also, kate dying would bring more emotion to her scenes with sawyer..possibly..

Comment by Stu effin Redman — April 30, 2007 @ 7:17 pm
JMack - The surprise about Charlie’s song (Scoop!!) is that he will write and sing it and it will stink. Then after he is Tortured/Tramatically Effect (i think around the Groin area) he will sing it again and he will sound nearly, almost, kind of good!

Nickk - Don’t Forget Kate could have Numerous STD’s from Good Ol Sawyer not to mention a number of infections from doing the Truffle Shuffle in Polar Bear Poo!

Glad I can bring a smile to a few faces here! And Being from Hawaii I do get this kind of inside information. So when Claires Robo-Bomb Baby explodes you can just thank Ol’ Kyle for the Scoop.

Domo Domo Arigato Mr. Claire’s Baby

Comment by Kyle — April 30, 2007 @ 7:26 pm
Anyone who thinks Juliet is responsible for the deaths of those women is crazy or doesn’t watch Lost.
She did anything she could.
Maybe we should wait and see what the Others are planning to do if she doesn’t go along with their plan. Will they execute her like they were planning to?
Anyone who calls Juliet selfish has no idea what they’re talking about.

Comment by detective — April 30, 2007 @ 7:48 pm
i hope kate doesn’t die. shes the only sexy girl left in it after shannon died and sun got pregnant

Comment by shaun — May 1, 2007 @ 2:15 am
Detective…was she forced to join Mittelos? Nope. She did so because she knew they were working on something “special.” She saw all the signs, the warnings, that comes with working for a super-secret agency and joined it anyway. She knew she was giving up a big chunk of her freedom. Therefore, once she was on the island every decision she made was in her own best interest. For six months she did the best she could and when the women kept dying she wanted out. Sure no biggie, all the investment they had made in her, all the information she had become privy too in that time on the island, why wouldn’t they just let her go home? Every decision she made since joining Mittelos was selfish and naive. Now she’s spying on the 815ers and still being selfish and naive. Her motivation is to do whatever it takes to get home…but we all know, and this stupid cow should too, that Ben is not going to let her go home. She knows too much. I watch the show a little more closely than some think and I don’t just throw out opinions without putting some thought behind them.

Comment by Merlboroman — May 1, 2007 @ 4:15 am
if locke dies lost will never be the same again. all his flashback episodes are the best and most exciting out of them all.

Comment by shaun — May 1, 2007 @ 5:47 am
Who gets killed will be about who wants, or is wanted, out. It’s NOT about the story line or anything to do with what was originally “planned” for the show — it’s about actor(s) leaving for reasons not connected with the story. Eko is a good example of this happening. If their personal needs can be worked into the story, that’s a good thing. Millions of fans all wrapped up within the story while what we will see is determined far more from without. In my opinion, Lost is reaching the point where things could easily begin to crumble and we end up with a series finale like Alias. It’s a TV series — and a serial one at that!!

Comment by John R — May 1, 2007 @ 6:26 am
Merlboroman:

I just cannot agree with the things you’re saying about Juliet. She came to the island not entirely because of naivete, but mainly because curiosity got the better of her. She’s a scientist, for crying out loud. Scientists who aren’t curious are good for nothing. The thing is, she was promised 3 months (or was it 6 months?), but because she felt powerless with her experiments as they were going nowhere, she finally wanted out, and this is after the 3 or 6 months that was promised to her.

I wouldn’t say exactly that the things she has been doing aren’t selfish. But I do not hate her for it. Being selfish is not a bad thing. It would be hypocritical to point a finger at someone for being selfish. I find that she is more like Eko… she has to do all those ruthless things to survive, and she does not have to apologize for herself. If she has to use, betray, lie to, or even kill the castaways in order to get what she wants, then fine by me. I used to hate Juliet before, but only because of her lips. Hehehe. But now I love her. I think she’s the most interesting character this season. Her inner struggles with good and evil just to get what she wants have a lot of resonating truths about the world. And it’s just too bad I cannot explain this better.

I love Juliet. Although, I wouldn’t mind if she gets killed off. It’s the castaways that I wish to live. Anyway, my theory is Jack is now one of the Others, and that he’ll do something to betray the Losties for whatever reason. This isn’t much of a theory, though, as it is a wish. I’d love to see Jack becoming a villain. If the season finale is indeed Jack-centric, then what better twist to give it but to turn Jack bad, right?

Peace!

Comment by Rye — May 1, 2007 @ 8:13 am
Here’s an idea; What if Sawyer gave Kate an STD? Only here’s the kicker…….What if for some reason, that STD causes Kate to survive the islands death to pregnant woman? And while this allows her to live, it causes other problems. And heres another idea; What if Cassidy gave Sawyer the STD? And in Kate’s flashback, after Cassidy helped her, she ultimately ends up doin this. Yet again proving the point that your actions effect more than just you.

Comment by AREM — May 1, 2007 @ 9:01 am
They will not kill Kate this season, purely because losing the female lead would ruin the show. I personally hate her, but I know that she has to be there. Seeing as Sawyer’s on the redemption trail, I’m thinking he’s gonna draw the short stick, (doesn’t make me happy, but oh well), with death odds at 3 to1. Historically, once the characters on Lost resolve some huge conflict they DIE. Therefore, Sawyer, Charlie…I hope not Hurley, but it’s a possibility, or even Jack. Desmond will die before Penelope reenters the picture. Sayid’s story line is pretty much exhausted at this point, so his death odds are at probably 8 to 1. I also think the cliffhanger might revolve around Walt. They said Michael will not be back for the finale, but we know that Walt can appear where he’s not supposed to be…

I love Juliet and think it would be a stupid idea to kill her. She’s got too much plot potential. And Locke is the center of the show, so I don’t think they’d kill him either. I’m thinking that for now Sun is safe, although Jin could very well be outed soon. I hope Claire dies, but unfortunately she probably won’t.

Comment by New girl — May 1, 2007 @ 10:03 am
Rye: Tomato…Potato…ya know. You choose to see Juliet the way you do and that’s fine. My only point was too show why I see Juliet the way I do. Lying, cheating, stealing, and killing for self-preservation are fine with some, even most. Doing so simply to get what you want (does Juliet HAVE TO be with her sister in order to continue living) on the other hand is extremely reprehensible. Juliet and Jack deserve one another because in both their minds the ends justify the means, regardless, and the means are justifiable as long they are justifiable to them. I mean, how stupid is Jack? He’s putting himself out there for Juliet, for no honest reason other than he’s bonded with her, and he tells Sayid, “She’s under my protection.” I loved Sayid’s look. I ad libbed his dialogue as I watched the episode. “And who the F**K are you? What makes you think you’re in any position to protect anyone?”
My 4/5 May deaths…Jack, Juliet, Ben, and Charlie. The fifth one could be anyone other than Locke or Sawyer.

Comment by MerlboroMan — May 1, 2007 @ 11:21 am
Holy Crap! I’m so upset. Not that Charlie and Ben are gonna die, but because Doc got scooped by the Palm Beach Post. Those bastards! It’s like they are on the cutting edge of journalism down there. I mean, it does sound like an opinion referencing a third parties conclusion, Charlie and Ben dying. But if it were any other liberal propaganda, I wouldn’t believe it. RIP Charlie and Ben, we hardly knew ye.

Comment by Higdon — May 1, 2007 @ 12:11 pm
Wow.. you have no balls whatsoever… your too scared to even put what name you usually post under? man up than talk shit about people, and yes Juliet is a liar.

Comment by themachine — May 1, 2007 @ 12:28 pm
cap..i just finished reading the first one “The Gunslinger” was pretty good, but i am really excited about starting the next book….

Comment by themachine — May 1, 2007 @ 12:45 pm
didnt the writers state that the alternate timelines theory is not true?

They also stated that the pergatory theory is false as well.

Comment by jess — May 1, 2007 @ 3:42 pm
didnt the writers state that the alternate timelines theory is not true?

They also stated that the pergatory theory is false as well.

Comment by jess — May 1, 2007 @ 3:42 pm
Another way the song could be there is if it is played by someone at his funeral.

Comment by cattus — May 1, 2007 @ 7:22 pm
Please God, they cannot kill Ben! That will be killing me, he’s my favorite character! I agree with what some people are saying though… it would be a a complete waste of his time if they kill him, but I can’t think why they would after they said how much they ‘love’ him. He can’t be missing the theatre that much, lol! Plus, would his wife allow it? LOL! Oh well…I hate these rumors, now I’m on pins and needles and not sure whether I should cry or scream. Please, ANYONE but Ben.

Comment by Chelsy — May 2, 2007 @ 1:43 am
Ben is gonna die , This 3 never will Jack Locke Sawyer the Hearth of LOST

Comment by gabriel — May 2, 2007 @ 6:45 am
Ben is gonna die , This 3 never will Jack Locke Sawyer the Hearth of LOST

Comment by gabriel — May 2, 2007 @ 6:46 am
It doesn’t matter if they kill Ben this season, he could just come back next season, like Mikhail did.

Comment by Chris — May 2, 2007 @ 9:47 am
I think there’s a good possibility that Hurley is, in fact, working with the Others. As much as we all love Hurley’s character think about this….

1) The others released him when they captured Jack, Sawyer, Kate, etc.
2) he fired a flare gun in the air for NO reason when they found Naomi and then all of a sudden Mikhail comes running over.

Comment by uncle marty — May 2, 2007 @ 12:05 pm
Yo creo que va a morir Sayid, aunque preferir

Comment by Renato — May 2, 2007 @ 12:59 pm
Who’s gonna die? Charlie, performing a redemptive gesture, for sure, Juliet getting caught betraying the Others, Danielle Rousseau will come strolling onto the beach looking like Wiley Coyote having a bad day (remember the dynamite she got on the Black Rock), possibly Captain A-rab aka Sayid who’s got a grudge against the others and not much left to say and our chop-socky friend Jin. Jacke, Kate, Sawyer, Locke, Ben, Sun, Hurley and Desmond are essential to the narrative, take them out and the story is gone because there is no one left to relate to. Michael Emerson is so deliciously, brilliantly creepy it would be a shame to let him go.
Desmond, Jack and Locke are heroes, Hurley is the protagonist, the guy who knew about the numbers. Take them out and a whole bunch of central issues disappear with them. I like the idea that Kate is bearing Sawyer’s demon spawn, which would be his special gift to the Others, a rebellious kid with bad judgement and poor impulse control. Seeing how Ben deals so easily with troubled teens, that could be revenge for the whole polar bear cage humiliation.

Comment by Odette — May 2, 2007 @ 11:25 pm
Yep - that’s exactly right. Charlie will die (Ben will, too, in the finale - and in a spectacular manner). We will see that the timeline has now been altered and that Charlie never made it on the plane, wrote a song that comes wafting through a random radio signal, proving to Desmond (or cripes, everyone hears it).

I think that, so far, Lost is using the alternate timeline plot device well. It’s such an easy one to screw up, or use to tidy up sloppy story structure.

Good luck on the tightrope, guys! DOing good so far.

Comment by Nico — May 3, 2007 @ 1:24 am
IN regards to Hurley’s past - Ahem, this one is obvious, and I bet it will come up.

Hurley’s got a lot of cash, right? Wonder what prominent company he’s well invested in? Mittelos? Or… Even worse?

Hurley finds out his cursed money inadvertantly helped fund some of this God awful crap on the island. Anybody want to be some mad Hurley money this is going to happen?

Comment by Nico — May 3, 2007 @ 1:28 am
well, the time line things has been started. i doubt desmond is the only one. sooo… why wouldnt they(the others or whoever) put a dummy plane in the water so the world thinks they are all dead and stop looking for them?
i think it is obvious it is not hell or purg,,,because… then juliet would know already and wouldnt be trying so hard to get

Comment by cin — May 3, 2007 @ 6:08 am
The description of Charlie’s song is that it appears after his death, or such. Sawyer brought back the tape player that Juliet used to send messages to Ben. Perhaps Charlie recorded his song on it, and it was discovered later. Nothing supernatural, no timelines.

Comment by Richard — May 3, 2007 @ 7:52 am
Kyle..

I think you are right…at least about Rousseau killing Ben. Remember, she picked up the dynamite in the Brig.

Comment by maddogruff — May 3, 2007 @ 9:36 am
I Think ben will be blown up by dynamite by Rousseou, just as he is about to reveal some sort of monumental truth about the island to locke

Comment by Me — May 5, 2007 @ 4:31 pm
I’m obviously not as obsessed a fan as you:

Jack knows Juliette is betraying them
Jack and Juliette have a plan
Together they are double bluffing The Others
Jack will die saving Kate
Kate is pregnant but loves Jack and
Kate will not be Skate as she will feel too guilty over Jack’s death.
Hurley is an Other…
Dharma is here - Desmonds new hero is a spy
Charlie will die with Jack

Comment by katester — May 9, 2007 @ 6:37 am
The snake-in-the-box problem in graph theory and computer science deals with finding a certain kind of path along the edges of a hypercube. Start at one corner and travel along the edges to as many corners as you can. After you get to a new corner, you must mark the corner you just came from and all of its neighbors as unusable. Never travel to a corner after you’ve marked it unusable.

In graph theory terminology, this is called finding the longest possible induced path in a hypercube. There is a similar problems of finding long induced cycles in hypercubes is called the coil-in-the-box problem.

The snake-in-the-box problem was first described by W. H. Kautz (1958), motivated by the theory of error-correcting codes. The vertices of a solution to the snake or coil in the box problems can be used as a Gray code that can detect single-bit errors. Such codes have applications in electrical engineering, coding theory, and computer network topologies. In these applications, it is important to devise as long a code that is as possible for a given dimension of hypercube.

Finding the longest snake or coil becomes notoriously difficult as the dimension number increases and the search space suffers a serious combinatorial explosion. Some techniques for determining the upper and lower bounds for the snake-in-the-box problem include proofs using discrete mathematics and graph theory, exhaustive search of the search space, and heuristic search utilizing evolutionary techniques.

[edit] Known lengths and bounds
The maximum length for the snake-in-the-box problem is known for dimensions one through seven; it is

1, 2, 4, 7, 13, 26, 50 (sequence A099155 in OEIS).
Beyond that length, the exact length of the longest snake is not known; the best lengths found so far for dimensions eight through twelve are

97, 188, 363, 680, 1260.
For cycles (the coil-in-the-box problem), a cycle cannot exist in a hypercube of dimension less than two. Starting at that dimension, the lengths of the longest possible cycles are

4, 6, 8, 14, 26, 48 (sequence A000937 in OEIS).
Beyond that length, the exact length of the longest cycle is not known; the best lengths found so far for dimensions eight through twelve are

96, 180, 344, 630, 1238.
Many of the best-known lower bounds for dimensions nine through twelve for both problems were found using a hybrid genetic algorithm developed by Darren Casella at the University of Georgia’s Artificial Intelligence Center.

Comment by katester — May 9, 2007 @ 6:47 am
Maybe I’m not thinking deep enough, but lets look at who got axed last year.. Libby and Ana. Rumor for both was the DUI and excessive partying (off the set) had them meet an early end.

This time around, Charlie and Kate are getting married (in real life as Dominic and Evangeline)…. Dominic has already said he thinks LOST has changed his typecast hobbit persona and wants to do film again.

Would it be too simple to guess that Charlie and Kate both buy it, in order to start their married life, and for both to attempt to either have kids or persue movie careers?

Just a thought.

Comment by DZAZ99 — May 10, 2007 @ 8:58 am
Apparently, in Season 4 there may be some sort of DHARMA Invasion from outside the island.

Comment by Sam Rossi — May 16, 2007 @ 4:53 pm
OMFG Go to http://www.dharmainitiative.com
It is an absolutely blank page except for this poem in the middle…

Floating through the clouds
Dancing in the rain
Eyes that see no lies
Hearts that feel no pain.

Hope it’s not too late
We were more than friends
I can hardly wait
‘Til we meet again.

If you don’t really know
Where you want to go
It makes no difference
Which road you take.

I think its a clue as to what LOST is all about.

Comment by Sam Rossi — May 16, 2007 @ 5:09 pm
Season 1 and 2 Finales both created more questions than they answered. Maybe it’ll be the same with the Season 3.

Just a thought. :)(:

Comment by Sam Rossi — May 16, 2007 @ 5:12 pm
Thanks for the link to the poem…very very interesting.

Comment by kay — May 16, 2007 @ 9:15 pm
I found a finale spoiler it is posted on my public myspace blog if anyone would like to read it and share their thoughts.

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=679146&blogID=265909478&MyToken=079bae91-e6a1-455b-8a5b-a6504ffca649

Comment by Fat Mike — May 18, 2007 @ 1:09 am
I think we saw some foreshadowing in Hurley and Charlie’s emotional farewell on the beach. Hurley “wanted to help” and was “tired of trekking around all over the place”.

I think it will be Hurley.

It would be too brutal for them to kill off Charlie after this most recent episode - and also too obvious..

Killing Locke would be a mistake - hes the best thing about the show.

Comment by Mike — May 21, 2007 @ 1:24 am
locke is the best character [IMO] i think he makes the show… LOST is the only show i actually watch these days, i hope it isnt charlie who dies, or locke.

Oh and thanks for the Link to the poem, it was interesting.

charlie, went to the glass window thing, juliet said that it was flooded, obviously not, theres people still living in there. well if anybody finds any more info on LOST please post it, i cant wait for the finale. and i casnt believe that they are dragging it out till 2010!, and if the ratings go down any further, they will axe the show and leave us with a cliffhanger! i hope it doesnt come to that!!! “I LOVE THIS SHOW”

Comment by MaconiE — May 24, 2007 @ 1:32 am
Charlie drowns, Locke lives. They all get off the island.

Comment by LostSpoiler — May 24, 2007 @ 5:09 am
i think that charlie will push a button in the underwater hatch to detonate the flooding sequence but will stop communications blocking, also i think jack is working for the new bad guys because he went away on that boat to the ‘new place’ and that might be the other bad guys.I think locke is bald so they should kill him and ben is a doofus so he should die too heh well thats my theory!

Comment by Moefy — May 24, 2007 @ 9:32 am
i saw the finale 3, it made me wonder who else could be in the rescue boat that they kept trying to call? as i recall, it showed walt telling lock to get up out of the hole ben shot him into and not die, but walt left the island a while ago so how can he be on the island?that’s where the rescue boat comes in. michal and walt could be on the boat to help their friends. but i think that the people on the boat will be the new bad guys. in other words, maybe michal and walt aren’t as innocent as they seem.

Comment by lost man — May 24, 2007 @ 8:35 pm