Lost Spoiler - “Man Behind the Curtain”
Here’s some visual confirmation of what I vaguely hinted at in my spoilerish " LOST May Preview". And a few notes on the artistry of being vague.
If you didn’t ready my April 20th piece, and refuse to follow the link now to do so, what I said was "We journey back to the days of Dharma to find some familiar faces that do not belong." After you look at the picture below you’re going to know exactly what I mean.
Now, I can expand a little more on what this all means. The first question everybody is going to ask is: Is that really Ben? The answer is yes. Second is, is Ben a member of Dharma? This is where I’ll get a little vague for you:
Is the guy who greets you at the door at WalMart a ‘member’ of Walmart’s board? Is the kid that pours your coffee at Starbucks a ‘member’ of star bucks?
So this isn’t really Ben, right? Because he hasn’t… whoa… wait a minute. Now would be a good time to rewind to "Not in Portland" and pay careful attention to the scene where Alpert is reeling in Juliet. By the way, you’ll see him in a jumpsuit too.
Source: DarkUFO
Is this finally the confirmation that the island also extends lives well beyond the typical 80-100 years? Is that why the womb Juliette looked at looked like that of a 70 year old, because the reproductive organs actually age at normal speed while the rest of the body doesn’t? Do we have a new meaning for the term “Lost Time” in it being biological time, rather than physical time?
Wow!!!!
Comment by C — April 29, 2007 @ 9:20 am
Docarzt I think we can all agree that you must reveal everything else you know before our heads explode!
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — April 29, 2007 @ 9:56 am
So you’re drawing a line between an “employee” of DHARMA and a “member” of DHARMA, Doc? Would a better analogy be like how in the U.S., people can join the Army, but the Army also employs private citizens to do certain types of tasks that don’t relate to combat operations at the like? Or am I just reading you all wrong?
Comment by Richard Lennox — April 29, 2007 @ 11:04 am
I think it implies that Ben works for Dharma, but is not part of the group of scientists that founded it, and perhaps does not subscribe to their philosophy. So how he rose up to command doctors and scientists such as Ethan and Juliet, one can only imagine….
Comment by jim robinson is jacob — April 29, 2007 @ 11:19 am
And here’s a thought: anyone want to bet we’re going to see *multiple* points in Ben’s life in the course of the flashback? If his father’s the “Roger” guy we heard about earlier -the guy who has trouble relating to his son- it could be that we see Ben as a kid having a hard time with his father who’s going off to be a laborer for DHARMA, then later Ben goes off to the island and winds up working with his father side-by-side. It’d be a good mirror of the story of Jack and his father, only Ben winds up knowing/thinking he’s “greater” than his pitiful father, and is on the island with different intentions.
Yep, that’s the other thing I’m suggesting: Ben and Richard both in DHARMA jumpsuits could mean that they’re already connected to whatever makes up what we know as “the Others” and become DHARMA workmen for the sake of infiltrating things.
Former point is more likely than the latter, though: it’s based off of how we know these people like to write. Latter is 100% speculation on my part. Enjoy!
Comment by Richard Lennox — April 29, 2007 @ 11:21 am
This is what Richard told Juliet in “Not in Portland”.
ALPERT: Thank you for taking the time to let us make our pitch, Dr. Burke. Mittelos Bioscience is based in Oregon. We’re just outside of Portland. [he shows some slides of workers strolling through the grounds] Uh, these shots might seem a little cheese-ball, but our people really are this happy. Now why? Because we’re privately funded. Privately funded means freedom. [he shows a slide of people doing outdoor activities] We organize trips every week in and around the Portland area which is just awesome for hiking and biking and river running.
ALPERT: What if I told you that you could have complete freedom and money to find out? We think you’re special, Dr. Burke. And we want you to lead a team of highly trained people because we think you’re just that good.
ALPERT: Look, I know the timing is horrible. But we came because we’re that serious about getting you to come work with us. Just give us six months. If you need to you can be back before your sister gives birth.
ALPERT: Well, we’re very thorough in our recruitment process.
ALPERT: Well, actually we’re not quite in Portland.
Which line are you referring to?
Comment by detective — April 29, 2007 @ 11:40 am
Richard Lennox,
I too am inclined to think that Ben and Alpert are infiltrators. After all, infiltration is a tactic the Others have used before, (well, before to us, if you see what I mean). I’d like to see an equivalent of the ‘Ethan wasn’t on the plane’ moment, as the Dharma boffins realise that the guys sweeping their floors are imposters, and therefore that they’re not alone on the island …
One more thing: if Ben and Alpert were really so close to Dharma - either as infiltrators or as bona fide employees - is it really possible that they wouldn’t have known about the Swan and the button? I’m very curious to find out how they’ll deal with that.
Comment by Jem — April 29, 2007 @ 11:59 am
Y’know… I worded that all wrong. What he says is not important, but the scene is.
Comment by docarzt — April 29, 2007 @ 12:36 pm
Simple, Jem: workmen might not be allowed into some of the stations. Particularly ones centered around powerful, potentially deadly electromagnetic anomalies which may or may not be partially disguised as a psychological experiment.
Remember, we have every indication that the Swan staff was kept in isolation post-incident. My guess is that they were also in isolation pre-incident, as the Pearl orientation film set things up in such a way where the Swan staff were assigned some long-term task (and would pre-date the incident if the incident involved the loss of Marvin Candle’s right arm, which was intact in the Pearl film). It would only make sense that anyone put in charge of monitoring Swan staff from the Pearl on a short-term basis and then going back to the barracks afterwards would be in contact with other DHARMA staff, and thus you’d have to keep the Swan staff entirely separate from everyone else to keep things secret on both ends. Otherwise, the psychological aspect of the experiment (no matter which end is was on; probably shifted after the incident) would be null-and-void.
Comment by Richard Lennox — April 29, 2007 @ 12:39 pm
OGMOMGOMG!! *squeaaaaaal* Doc, I am sooooooo excited!
in light of this photo, this part of your article makes me giggle and scrathc my head and then giggle some more:
“Flashback’s this time belong to Ben himself, or do they?”
(1) flashbacks are jacob’s (2) flashbacks are Real Ben’s (3) flashbacks are Fake Ben’s (who may be jacob) OF Real Ben
i’m so confused! i never thought i’d be sooo happy to be sooo confused!
Comment by wickedslip — April 29, 2007 @ 12:57 pm
Is “Ben is not really Ben” like a “When Anakin turned to the dark side, he ceased to be Anakin Skywalker and became Darth Vader” type of thing?
Comment by Chris — April 29, 2007 @ 1:39 pm
Y’know, it’s crazy Detective. I have to hold back because as I’ve stated before with certain connections things are asked to be off the record and they will generally stay that way until somebody breaks it somewhere else. That said, yes. The slides. There are two facts observed about the slides, they are individual facts.
One passage from the article has changed a little as I talk to more people, and that is the fact that ‘Jacob’ is angry with Ben. It may indeed be the case but it looks like the thrust of the episode is Ben having a rare bout of honesty in an attempt to secure Locke.
Comment by DocArzt — April 29, 2007 @ 1:40 pm
Maybe Ben was infact born there in theory, by other unconventional means, that maybe we havent even thought of yet. Since his father was there also, maybe they came together at the same time to work there under the Dharma initiative, but not as scientists as someone had said. But contrary to what he and his father believed they were suposed to be there for, Dharma ended up performing experiments on Ben, and other “others” as children, or maybe even as fetuses, explaining why they seem to be superhuman, and down right creepy.
Dharma used the island to do tests on people because it posed as a perfect place to perform such experiments, and maybe even promoted such things, given its anomalies, and strange properties.
I think the purge was when the people who had been experimented on, grew up and realized the treatment they had recieved was cruel and unjust, they revolted, creating a war between them and the scientists. That could also explain why they believe they are the “good ones” because they were only innocent children and they were fooled and manipulated by the scientists. Jacob being the one who started the revolution, there “great leader”. Maybe Jacob had undergone experiments that left him very very powerful, allowing him to strike back so sucessfully, that he and the ones who followed him ended up killing most if not all Dharma members, Ben being one very interested in this movement, maybe because the scientists killed his father for trying to protect him? But the Island itself is still more powerful than anyone to inhabit it, ever. the others felt they understood it better than the scientists, who were there to manipulate its power, because they too were “special” thats why Ben likes Locke so much, he can understand how they feel, he holds the same respect for the Island.
This theory also supports why they cannont concieve, either it is something to do with the Island itself, and its ability to heal and make its inhabitants live longer, while the reproductive system in woman ages at the same rate, as someone has already stated, and they are activley trying to find out why. Or its due to the extesive experiments done to change there dna at an early age.
Maybe the Dharma scientists didnt want there experiments to be able to have children, to further the point that they are inhuman and inferior to them. Or they let out a virus of sorts to stop any one on the island from having children because they didnt want these mutant people to inhabit the island and start a civilization, giving themselves (the scientists) an antidote for this virus. Which the others eventually obtained after the purge, and started to use. Expecially if they were to reproduce insuch a powerful place, there offspring would be even more powerful, maybe they were afriad that the rest of the world would find out about the island this way? or that they would take over if they out numbered scietists. Or maybe even cause a threat to humanity? because its seems they were there trying to save humaity, letting the experiments get out of hand would create the opposite effect. Maybe now the “others” want to do exactly that, get rid of the scientists, and start a civilization of there own kind.
Regarding the hatches and how our losties roll in all of this…. They left the swan station running after the purge, recruiting new people to run it, to control the magnetic anomaly, because if they let it go, it meant trouble for the island, or it could bring about a change that was unwanted. Cutting out parts of the information video, to hide there true identities, and the event of the purge.
They kept the flame running to keep an eye on things, make sure the outside world still believed that Dharma is under control, and to keep in touch with those affiliated around the world. Im not sure where mihkal stands though…. The staff Station was left, as we learned in D.O.C. to take care of there dying patients, recruiting juliette to help that situation, and making it seem abandoned just incase someone who wasnt supposed find it did.
So the others kept running some things under the Dharma name, so they could still recieve food, supplies and information, but with there own secret agenda at hand. Refering to themselves as Dharma, and the people they killed (the original dharma scientists) as the Hostiles. Taking over there names and moving into there houses. assuming the scientists identities so not to get found out.
They set free the animals being tested in the hydra, because they to were also treated like test animals. Explaining the polar bears and sharks, empty cages ect.
Now there plan had been up and running for a few years, and there women kept dying, and there population was fastly decreasing, they feared there little society would be no more. So they planned to bring new people, possibly worthy of becoming inhabitants of the island, people with reason to stay because either they were deemed “special” or they had nothing to go back to in there lives back home. People that could help them, doctors, military specialists, Mothers, Strong people.
But once our losties got there, they ended up causing alot more trouble than help for the others. Hence the lists, maybe those are the people they could still use, and not use, “do away with” use to there advantage rather than join the community.
But with power comes greed and in some people evil ideas, but in there mind they think they are still doing the right thing by exploiting these people. This sort of contradicts the fact that they had been treated badly by Dharma, you would think the others wouldnt want to do that to other people. Maybe they have to, so the 815ers can understand what they had gone though? maybe its so necessary for their survival that they have to do whatever it takes to get them to cooperate?
There are others who traveled back home to look for these certain people and put in place events in there lives that would direct them to getting on that fateful flight. Remember these others could have special powers, maybe crazy cognitive abilities that can manipulate people into having thoughts, or actions. But some people who got on that flight werent picked to go there, the’re just there by mistake, casuing more trouble for the others plan. The others are smart, and have advanced abilities, but are still essentaily human, and still capeable of making mistakes.
So then the people the others have working for them at home, people with enough money and power to do so, maybe even family members or close aquiantenses of the losties, covered up the plane crash, reporting everyone died, so that the families and the media wouldnt bother looking for the losties. Ensuring the others that they have these new people for good, to do whatever they need with them, build on there society perhaps? in hopes that these people can still procreate without problem and continue there legacy if worthy? who knows. But one thing they really didnt bargain for and expect, was Desmond and Pennys knowledge of the island!
Sorry that was so long, but I’ve been going crazy with these theories lately. What do you guys think?
Comment by Jess — April 29, 2007 @ 1:52 pm
The two facts about the slides:
1) the bikers/hikers in the side were digitally composited into the shots
2) the areas photographed on the slides were physically shot on the same locations in Hawaii as Lost is shot
Are these the points you’re talking about, Doc?
I’m not sure where after-the-fact addition/modification of record fits in, especially when you’re telling us that Ben’s actually going to be honest with Locke; that would suggest that Locke’s *not* going to be getting Ben’s revisionist take on past events.
As for the second point, only thing that comes to mind is that we’re going to get a fake-out where we think certain events in the flashback happen off-island but actually happen on-island, or vice-versa.
Any ideas? Anyone?
Comment by Richard Lennox — April 29, 2007 @ 2:02 pm
Or based on what is hinted about him being an infiltrator of dharma, jacob, starting the revolution against the scientists, got ben to come to the island through his friend, bens father, to help lead him in the purge? soooooo many posible ideas holy crap
Comment by Jess — April 29, 2007 @ 2:03 pm
What naomi said to mihkal was, “there are more of us” not thank you. penny and everyones father for that matter, could infact be working for the others or “dharma” note the quotations. its getting to the point where i think anyone could be working with them.
Comment by jess — April 29, 2007 @ 2:07 pm
OR! maybe the purge is when the infiltrators started coming to the island, and the “incident” is when they started attacking the scientists? Ben beleives hes better than jacob, because without him and his fathers help, it woulndt have been sucessful?
Comment by Jess — April 29, 2007 @ 2:34 pm
Doc,
Beavis and Butthead would be proud, you said “member”. On a serious note, I think we’re getting the picture that Ben was either a stellar employee who moved up the chain quickly or rose to prominence some other way. I think “infiltrator” is something to chew on. What if Ben’s speaking the truth when he says he was born on the island? You use Walmart and Starbucks as your examples which I find very interesting. They pop up everywhere, seemingly all corners of the globe. Does DHARMA pop up on the island and hire the natives? Then by offering them exploitative wages and no health insurance infuriate them to rise up and destroy the corporation’s presence on the island?
Comment by Higdon — April 29, 2007 @ 2:59 pm
Does DHARMA pop up on the island and hire the natives? Then by offering them exploitative wages and no health insurance infuriate them to rise up and destroy the corporation’s presence on the island?
Higdon, you are both awesome and hysterical. Brilliant way of putting it.
Comment by Richard Lennox — April 29, 2007 @ 3:18 pm
Here’s my speculative take on it: It has already been rumored (via the grammatically controversial ‘DeGroot’ rumor thread) that Dharma knew about the island’s ’special’ properties before they set up shop there.
Then, Dharma sets up shop with hardened bunkers, loaded gun cabinets, and former cia operatives.
Lindelof and Cuse told me in the interview that the road was there all the time, and that it has just grown in over time.
I would venture to guess that Dharma was really setting up some people to be exposed to some force they knew was there all along and was just waiting to see what would happen.
So the “work man” employees were probably lab rats. But there is also the scrap of info that the deriving of the Others from Dharma was counter-intuitive. The ‘Good’ ones were the humble workers, the scientists were considered bad.
Comment by docarzt — April 29, 2007 @ 4:49 pm
Bad scientists? Sounds like they were working on proving global warming. The island is neo-con. I can see the lab rat scenario, but Ben seems too savvy to be a simple workman. And still the born on the island comment weighs heavy on my mind. Is the Ben in the picture the same Ben we know now? Or is his body simply a host for someone/something that has been on that island a long time?
Comment by Higdon — April 29, 2007 @ 6:24 pm
So basically…
The Episode is going to start showing Ben flashbacks and set him up as part of Dharma, although at a low level, but still complicit in their evil-ness.
Then, the Episodes twist will be that Dharma was playing Ben (and possibly others) all along, and Ben was really the test subject, just like Desmond in the hatch.
I dunno where that will leave us, but this much is pretty obvious now.
Comment by Chlorinemusic — April 29, 2007 @ 7:37 pm
I have a feeling the two important facts have to do with
1) The name mittelos bioscience, which is an anagram for “lost time”. Indication the research on the island has to do with time in some way.
2)I can only guess it has something to do with the white sign on one of the images of the people biking. Unfortunately, I can’t find a high enough resolution image to read it :\.
Comment by Leio — April 29, 2007 @ 10:05 pm
Ben may have been working for DHARMA, gained a following of “work men” who were super pissed, rised up against the DHARMA scientists (the purge), and continued to use their resources to further existence on the island and prevent DHARMA from coming back. He is now a Jim Jones like character (minus the kool aid) who is the leader of his own land. Now (thanks to Mikhail and Locke destroying communications and Desmond’s failsafe) DHARMA’s coming. They’re wondering just what the hell is going on with their island. Ms. Hawking and Brother Cambell are island natives with the same sort of ability as Des. They have groomed Des to set time right.
DHARMA vs. Ben and The Others vs. Des and The Natives (The Island)
The 815ers will choose a side and decide the fate of all worlds. Right now I’m thinking the island will be set up as the good guy…
Comment by cap10tripps — April 29, 2007 @ 10:15 pm
Now (thanks to Mikhail and Locke destroying communications and Desmond’s failsafe) DHARMA’s coming.
Excellent idea. Naomi seemed a bit surprised to see Desmond after they got him down from the tree; she knew who he was but wasn’t expecting him. OTOH, she did have the photo. Could she be part of two missions at once - Widmore, who may have been the industry providing supplies for the still-running-until-recently supply drops and/pr responsible for some longer-term communications equipment, was sending in crew to see what the hell had happened. Could Penny have requested certain people on this mission be on the lookout for Desmond? Guess we won’t know until Naomi talks or these other people who make her “not alone” turn up.
Comment by Richard Lennox — April 29, 2007 @ 11:13 pm
MY BRAIN FEELS LIKE IT JUST GOT HIT WITH A SLEDGHAMMER ARRRGGGGGG
Comment by Jimmy Zer0 — April 30, 2007 @ 12:02 am
So John, the slides. They are obviously doctored. The shadows on the two with the courtyard scenes- in one they are non existant, and in the other they are moving in the opposite direction of the trees and buildings.
Also, I live in Portland, and nowhere around here looks like Hawaii (the shots with the activities).
This can’t be it though- There is something more, right?
I’m looking at the people- that trench coated person and the lady with the dog are a little weird, and everyone looks like they were cut out of a JC Penny’s add. Still, though, not getting the significance….
Help Doc.
Comment by doc pedro — April 30, 2007 @ 1:38 am
Are screen caps of the slide show available anywhere on the internet?
Comment by D — April 30, 2007 @ 2:39 am
doc,
do you see allpert in a jump suit in not in portland?
Comment by rich — April 30, 2007 @ 3:11 am
d, i just sent some to doc, not sure if there any good but hey!
r.
Comment by rich — April 30, 2007 @ 3:18 am
Ben is probably the MOST out of place person in a Dharma jumpsuit in 3.20, but there are others.
Comment by DocArzt — April 30, 2007 @ 5:14 am
i think i asked this before, but what if the island “magic box”‘ed ben as it did Anthony Cooper?
Comment by mw — April 30, 2007 @ 5:26 am
doc! who are these others in dharma jumpsuits? have you seen this?
god i cant wait for these epi’s
Comment by rich — April 30, 2007 @ 6:17 am
In regards to the formation of the “others” being counter-intuitive and DHARMA knowing about the island’s properties beforehand…
I think that DHARMA knew about the mysterious properties of the island beforehand and that the “box” already existed on the island. DHARMA attempted to exploit the properties of the box to their own ends. If the box truly manifests a person’s desires, then the “others” would only want “good” people - people that have lead good lives, have good intentions, good desires, etc. to be able to interact with the box. If “bad” people interacted with the box, it would manifest bad things.
In essence, I think the “others” not only use the properties of the island to further their own idealistic society, but also see themselves as protectors of the “box” so that “bad” people don’t use it.
Comment by Fenshysa — April 30, 2007 @ 9:26 am
Naomi is NOT working with the others. She wasn’t giving Mikhail any secret messages, she was just gravely injured and speaking in various languages to whoever would listen. She was pretty unaware what was going on.
Comment by Super Mario — April 30, 2007 @ 10:12 am
Maybe Naomi was speaking to Mikhail, not because she recognized him, but because he was wearing a Dharma jumpsuit.
Comment by C — April 30, 2007 @ 10:27 am
Super Mario: how can you say this with any certainty? Do you have any insider knowledge?
Comment by Todd Anthony — April 30, 2007 @ 10:47 am
The cap10zetti equation…
Widmore in with DHARMA + Penny’s a Widmore + Naomi’s (Portuguese) working for Penny + the flame and communications with DHARMA on the outside are destroyed + the failsafe magnetic anomale (Penny’s Portuguese arctic station agents find the island) = DHARMA’s coming…
Comment by cap10tripps — April 30, 2007 @ 10:57 am
Although Naomi’s presence on the island is a little suspect, (we were led to believe she got there by parachuting from a helicopter..look at a globe if that doesn’t make sense to you) I don’t think she’s working with the Others. I believe she was translated by someone saying “I am not alone” or something to that effect. She was probably refering to a co-pilot who parachuted out of the helicopter that took off from God knows where. I believe that the copy of Catch-22 was present only to make the connection to the Portuguese speaking men in the Season 2 finale. If were are to believe Ben, then no one can find the island because communications and the beacon are down. I suppose our boys in the Antarctic locked onto the position of the island and sent out a “probe” to find it. The pilot had a picture of Desmond and her reaction to him could be interpreted many ways. It certainly wasn’t for lack of familiarity. And if she did indeed parachute from a helicopter (I’d love to see that training video), it probably took off from a ship seeing as how they are in the middle of the ocean. I do have a problem with my locking on to the island scenario. You would think if Widmore could do it (I’m assuming Penny used Daddies resources), so could DHARMA/HANSO or Mittelos. Unless they are looking for a beacon and Penny knows to look for an EMP burst or magnetic anomale or whatever the hell happened when the hatch imploded.
Comment by Higdon — April 30, 2007 @ 11:06 am
I’ve been thinking on the whole helicopter thing. You can’t parachute from a helicopter. Helicopters aren’t made for high altitudes. If you were to jump from a helicopter, the only possible way to parachute would be to open the chute right away. This would also not work, because there is a great chance you would get sucked into the blades. Naomi either didn’t parachute from a helicopter, or the writers and producer didn’t do their homework. My best guess would be that there is some sort of station in the sky. She parachutes from the station and they create a helicopter noise to fool the people on the island. Otherwise this is the first suspension of disbelief that I’d have real trouble suspending…
Comment by cap10tripps — April 30, 2007 @ 12:27 pm
I know nothing about high altitude jumps (HALO), but it seems like Naomi was wearing gear for a HALO jump. This doesn’t mesh with the helicopter sounds. Helicopters would not be High enough to justify the gear she was wearing. Someone in the military needs to weigh in on this subject. Ther eappears to be much more to the story.
Comment by TabulaRasa — April 30, 2007 @ 7:15 pm
Yeah, I had a feeling that the helicopter noise was a red herring. But something fairly large did crash into water. Maybe that helicopter noise we heard was just “familiar”…like the receipt printer in a New York taxi cab. Or maybe the writers just enjoy making me feel retarded.
Comment by Higdon — April 30, 2007 @ 8:02 pm
A station in the sky? Like the Int’l space station? Cap10tripps, what the heck are you talking about?? I think the idea that Penny has a ship stationed somewhere near the island is more plausible, but then again parachuting from a helicopter really doesn’t make a lot of sense… And I definitely don’t believe the producers just didn’t realise this was not possible.
Comment by Rog — May 1, 2007 @ 5:50 am
A slightly unrelated question. Didn’t we see a few weeks ago a screencap of Ben’s office with Naomi’s pictures on his desk? Doesn’t that mean that she’s close to Ben (probably related)? And wouldn’t that imply that it was Ben/Patchy that asked Naomi to come to the island to further confuse the losties? The others have access to a lot of documents, so it shouldn’t be too complicated for them to get a copy of Desmond’s picture. Maybe it was even Kelvin who photocopied the picture when he was Des’ roommate at the Swan.
Comment by Rog — May 1, 2007 @ 6:15 am
that pic was of alex rog.
Comment by rich — May 1, 2007 @ 6:45 am
That’s what happens when you read the article and not the follow-up comments. Thanks for pointing out my mistake Rich. I was already formulating all sorts of theories…
Comment by Rog — May 1, 2007 @ 7:39 am
no worries dude, done that myself so many times!
Comment by rich — May 1, 2007 @ 9:46 am
Ben has a twin, or perhaps a clone….The flashback won’t be the Ben we know, as he was born on the island and has lived there his whole life….
Comment by J.J. — May 1, 2007 @ 9:57 am
What if, just like the hatch and the pearl are experiments, that Ben and his “others” are just another experiment by Dharma, making them think that they are following some Great Jacob and that they are good guys and its all one big sociology experiment???
Comment by themachine — May 1, 2007 @ 10:21 am
cap10tripps… thats what i was saying last week… that i think that all the comm is down on the island and now dharma is coming because they need to know what is going on!!
Comment by themachine — May 1, 2007 @ 10:52 am
Themachine, I certainly don’t want to steal your thunder (especially when your name rings of Pink Floyd). So many things are pointing to DHARMA being that third (nasty) group. What’s your theory on the current situation?
Rog, what the hell I’m talking about is that if this island has a sort of snow globe effect about it (alternate dimension, nexus of two or more alternate dimensions, massive station, within the himilayas?), then it would stand to reason that DHARMA has positioned itself to be able to access the island. Maybe not a station literally in the Earth atmosphere’s sky but a station above the island (remember the food drops). There is so much to find out, but speculation is always fun. All I know here is that the helicopter makes no sense whatsoever…
Comment by cap10tripps — May 1, 2007 @ 12:14 pm
Here is a site that shows you a helicopter (Russian!) with an ejector seat! They do exist!www.aeronautics.ru/archive/vvs/ka52-01.htm
Comment by Jaosn — May 1, 2007 @ 2:56 pm
No childish, snobby snubs against any country here please. Honestly, I’m disappointed.
Comment by DocArzt — May 1, 2007 @ 6:14 pm
No, you won’t see Richard Alpert in a jump suit. His mystery goes far beyond what we’ve already seen.
Comment by autochthonous — May 1, 2007 @ 10:58 pm
If you are referring to my helicopter comment, then I aplogize for making it sound that way. I mentioned that it was Russian because of Mikhail. He may have recognized the sound of the blades coming off or some other distinct noise. ZYou neve know what type of connections they characters have!
Comment by Jason — May 2, 2007 @ 10:00 am
Oh man - that’s it. Ben’s flashback episode will not only reveal several Dharma/Other tidbits, but there will be twist at then end of the EP - what we’ve been thinking of as one person’s flashback, will in fact be someone else’s…
Now that Lost has introduced time travel and alternate realities, all bets are off as to who is what. I imagine we will be seeing an 815′er in a Dharma suit next episode.
Comment by Nico — May 3, 2007 @ 1:09 am
ben says he was born on the island. couldn’t that easily be a ’spiritual’ birth. that some action, experiment or knew knowledge led to a sort of ‘rebirth’.
also i have a small but interesting theory:
-the flashbacks go back to the 70’s but work there way forward (so there are more recent ones)
-experiments are being done
-the others seem to possess special powers
-the others have a fascination with children
- (don’t ask where i read this, i don’t remember) the mystery of walt’s powers will be revealed in season three
…..soooooo, has Walt been to the island before?
Comment by mandy — May 3, 2007 @ 7:19 am
OMG I THINK I GET IT
Ben’s daddy is the guy in the jumpsuit n the kid is BEN
wat do u think???
Comment by IAMLOST — May 4, 2007 @ 12:40 am
I though it was wierd how the local Ben found in the jungle hadn’t seemed to age at all when he zoomed back into the presnet. Maybe the island expanding your lifetime could be a good theory.
Comment by nat — May 10, 2007 @ 4:07 pm
I think that the one second shot of Jacob looks remarkably like Jacks Dad. his dad had connections with most of them and it even turns out that claire is jacks sister therefore baby is nephew, all a little wierd don’t you think, it was jacks dad who made sawyer kill that man, made anna lousia get on the plane, I think jacks dad is Jacob and thats why when he woke up he saw him and hasn’t found his body??
Comment by Goody0809 — May 11, 2007 @ 9:07 am
Sorry if this has been covered by someone else. What is up with the Jacob thing in the cabin?? Did Locke really here Jacob say ” Help Me”? How come Locke could not see Jacob and Ben could? Was Ben leading him on? Was that really Jacob running around and throwing things when Locke put on the flash light? Why was the cabin surrounded by a circle of sand substance (What was the significance of that)? Is Jacob real and is he being held captive by Ben?
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Comment by nan — May 13, 2007 @ 10:15 am
Firstly: Ben was the son of a dharma employee, but once he disovered the power of the island he grew curios and he chose to go with the ‘others’ and killed his own Dad. Then once the others ‘purged’ with Dharma they killed off anyone not willing to follow their plans(not sure exactly what these are)and took on their identities as to continue reieving food etc.
2nd) quick issue- Ben states when walt and micheal leave that oncce you leave the island there is no way back, yet we know this isn’t true as ethan has been on ‘the real world’ and on the the island. my theory is it is impossible to leave the island ‘above water’ due to instrument malfuction or some kind of security field. yet the sub is able to ‘go under’ this field and easily pass too and from the island (remember ben says the sub is jacks ONLY way off the island even though we know the others own boats!)
And finally as for Naomi - She did parahute from the helicopter (with the instruments failing it is possible to believe the blades would stop, hence the chopper going down and hence why she could ’safely’ jump out.)She may speak to mikale secretly in another language as she believes he is a dharma employee (he’s wearing the suit) and she infact believes Charlie,Hurley et are the hostiles. Which would also explain why she seems suprised to see desmond with them and not with Dharma!
What you think??
Comment by elmeeksio — May 14, 2007 @ 7:16 am