The Official LOST Podcast 4/20
The all new official LOST podcast, 4/20 Edition, is out! In this thrilling episode, Carlton and Damon discuss the upcoming episode and address a few more revelations that are waiting in the wings. Click through for a summary of some of the high points, or better yet click on Carlton and Damon and listen for yourself!
- Parts of the finale have already been filmed, even though they just finished the script.
- Desmond did change things by saving Charlie. The question we should be asking is are they postponing the inevitable. Can Charlie yet be saved in some way? The situation will be resolved.
- The most significant aspect of the book/term ‘Catch-22′ to the episode of the same name is that the term means ‘No win situation’, referring to the Charlie situation.
- Penny did send the parachutist.
- They state that there are two copies of the picture of Desmond and Penny, but still don’t explain how. (Since it was an instant camera and they, kind of broke up that day.)
- They indicate that an ‘other’ will tell them where the wire goes and that will be resolved soon.
- We should not necessarily believe that Ben was ‘born on the island’.
- Jacob is not Billie Dee Williams. Damon did say that "It’ll be a shock". Could it be someone/thing we’ve seen before?
- Christian is D - E - A - D.
This is by far not all of the high points of the Pod Cast, so be sure to spin over to ABC and give it a listen.
Ben is the one that can absolutely trust that everything he says is a LIE.
There will be a war, and there will be casualties. Who would be willing to fight for Jack and who would be willing to die for Locke?
They were not specific, but they did say that Desmond changes things by saving Charlie. Does this give us the final proof that there is some type of time looping that at least involves Desmond.
I, however, have ABSOLUTE PROOF that a TIME anomaly does EXIST. Look on this website at the archives list. There is an archive for April 2003. Look at what was featured on this archive. Scary in its accuracy!
Comment by TabulaRasa — April 21, 2007 @ 7:59 am
LOL, doc, have you got an explanation for that???
Comment by johobi — April 21, 2007 @ 9:11 am
I am so glad that they keep confirming Christian is dead. Along with the fact that they’ve previously said once some one is dead, they’re dead for good, this means that all the Christian being Jacob theories I keep reading won’t actually happen.
Thank god.
Comment by Steve — April 21, 2007 @ 9:26 am
I don’t really agree with your interpretation of their answer to the Jacob question. The person asked if Cobra on Expose = Jacob on Lost and they said its a great question but Jacob is not Billy Dee Williams … they never say that Jacob is not someone we have seen before. They just joke around the question and move on.
Comment by vahan solar — April 21, 2007 @ 9:51 am
i have read on wikipedia that billy dee williams will be on the show as a recurring high ranking other. So there could be a could be jacob. Any thoughts??
Comment by rob — April 21, 2007 @ 11:35 am
Christian Shepard is dead.
Don’t believe Ben being “born on the island”.
What if this is a case of being “reborn”?
If my name was John Smith and I faked my death, then John Smith would for all intents and purposes be dead. I would be reborn with a new name, say Jacob, for instance.
The reason I even speculate is because during the podcast, you can hear Damon muttering something about dead, and the possible conotations of that.
“It depends on what your definition of IS is.”-The honorable Bill Clinton.
Considering the idea of Expose and appearing dead, I can’t believe that that episode was just a way of explaining what happens with the background characters. It was a way of introducing the possiblity of faked deaths.
Comment by El Prez — April 21, 2007 @ 12:05 pm
The catch 22 “no win situation” was not about Charlie’s situation DocArzt!!! The no win was: saving Charlie meant not getting Penny (No win) and letting Charlie die (No win)
Comment by Joe — April 21, 2007 @ 12:08 pm
He said the Charlie situation, not Charlie’s situation. You just explained the Charlie situation that Doc said: saving him or letting him die. No idea what your problem is with this.
Comment by bdub — April 21, 2007 @ 12:21 pm
yo doc.
they never said that jacob isn’t someone that we’ve already met.
Comment by bf — April 21, 2007 @ 12:28 pm
BF/Vahan Solar - You’re right! If anything, they said the opposite. They said that it isn’t Billie Dee Williams, but that it will be a shock. whoa.
Joe - Uh, that is what I said more or less.
Comment by docarzt — April 21, 2007 @ 12:45 pm
Doc,
i have to imagine you must now know at least a little about what it feels like to be damon and carlton. ppl will pick on the tiniest little things and call you out on it. and in some cases they’re arguing the same points that your trying to argue. i.e. the charlie situation and billie dee wiliams.
Comment by Dr. Nope — April 21, 2007 @ 1:46 pm
The two most interesting things to me are..
1. Pen sent Naomi, but Des saving Charlie did change things. What did it change? I’m certain the parachutist was never going to be Penny (found the bag with the Portuguese “Catch 22″ already). Perhaps without Charlie’s assistance Naomi falls to the ground and dies.
2. Jacob, “It’ll be a shock.” My prediction has always been Jack. Could this be where Doc’s “Bad Twin” theory comes into play (by the way Doc, stop duckin me and post part III before I send Smokey on a house call). Perhaps Jack will be the major death, but there will be two Jacks. Another thought I’ve been pondering is the possibility of Dr. Marvin Candle being Jacob. We know Christian had recieved info from a higher up and Ben says (to Juliet) Jacob said he would save Rachel. This would indicate that Jacob is a doctor in the outside world…
Comment by cap10tripps — April 21, 2007 @ 2:49 pm
Hmmmm, if Christian is dead, and like some think, is indeed Jacob, it seems only logical his crown would pass to Jack. Christian tried very hard to make sure his son wouldn’t be weak and would be a GREAT man as Jacob is so often described and was again echoed by Atchura who seemed almost frightened of Jack, maybe because as neurotic as Jack is, his Father made him into the perfect leader. Christian was ashamed of his weakness when he knew he was asking his followers to be perfect and maybe he too is slightly afraid of his son as he was never that stiff around Claire. So there’s my thoughts on it…I’m definitely looking forward to Ben’s episode and the finale.
Chelsy
Comment by Chelsy — April 21, 2007 @ 3:10 pm
Hahaha fools! It’s so obvious! Jacob is a Polar bear Duh!!
Comment by Charlie Lesoine — April 21, 2007 @ 3:52 pm
i thought a spoiler stated jack’s father would make an appearance on the island? maybe i’m confused but i doubt it. if christian is dead then that may mean that he was using an alias and christian is in fact dead. so who is he???
Comment by jesse — April 21, 2007 @ 4:24 pm
maybe christian has a twin, making an appearance possible and the whole twin thing will come into play.
Comment by jesse — April 21, 2007 @ 4:28 pm
Jacob (in the bible) from what I understand had a “bad twin” named Esau. Instead of using the obvious name of Esau, they could have used Christian which would also be a hint of biblical proportions. Great idea Jesse…
Comment by cap10tripps — April 21, 2007 @ 5:02 pm
Another crazy idea, maybe instead of being twins they are duplicates. Jacob cannot be a father and “him” at the same time so he creates a father (who better than himself). Christian is the duplicate. That would make Jack and Claire Jacob’s children (for whom more biblical stories are attached) and Aaron his grandchild…
Comment by cap10tripps — April 21, 2007 @ 5:14 pm
I really suggest looking at the Biblical references of Jacob over at Lostpedia. It will make your head spin. I can now see a connection of how 3 different people could be Jacob…this is just for fun until someone can support or shoot down each of these 1)Christian could be Jacob: Christian was refered to as “Tom” in Anna Lucia’s flashback so maybe just the name is dead, Jacob is the great-great grandfather of Aaron(maybe being a “great” man makes you a great granfather?) 2) Locke could be Jacob: Jacob’s father was Isaac. Isaac was the faith healer that Rose went to in Australia and he looks quite a bit like Locke. If Anthony Cooper is a conman then it is possible that he isn’t Locke’s father somehow. 3) Sawyer could be Jacob: Jacob is described as a deceiver, studios(reads books constantly), and dwelled in tents. He’s a conman so do we really know anything that we can believe? One more thing, Sawyer and Locke could also be brothers. In the Bible James and John were brothers. I believe that a past podcast confirmed that Locke has/had a stepbrother. What if they haven’t seen each other since they were very young and Sawyer ended up being with Cooper growing up. Sawyer learned how to con from Cooper but was disgusted by the letter he found that was meant for Cooper and thus kept it to remind himself that he would never let one of his cons go that far. After reading Cooper or Sawyer’s file Locke sees that they are brothers and gets Sawyer to confront their father. Wow, if you made it to the end of all this then you are as addicted the show as me. Please feel free to rip any of this apart as speculation is one of the best aspects of the show.
Comment by bdub — April 21, 2007 @ 6:34 pm
bdub, other than your explanation for #2 (Locke as Jacob), I find your logic compelling. I actually hope it turns out that Jacob is… none other than J.J. Abrams! He has been missing from the show (doing movies, or controling the lives of the survivors of flight 815? Hmmm) and his first initial is “J”.
Comment by tomfishstory — April 21, 2007 @ 8:54 pm
Jacob, is not Christian. Jacob is Hurley. Hurley was the first to make a list of the survivors. Just think about it. The most unexpected individual
Comment by homermoose — April 21, 2007 @ 9:33 pm
Interesting thought, homermoose. He certainly has enough money to fund what the Others are into.
Comment by ParkwaySouth — April 21, 2007 @ 9:35 pm
Wow, the theories abound…
I think that Christian making an appearance on the island will be Smokey up to his old tricks. A fun plot device in which both Claire and Jack see Christian and realize that they’re brother and sister.. so that then Jack can die with that scene behind him.
So, who will be Jacob? I think it’s Ben. The Man Behind the Curtain - in Wizard of Oz, the man behind the curtain is the same man who greeted the travelers at the door and then took them through the Emerald City. The Wizard looks like a big scary fearsome thing, but really it’s just this little guy from Iowa pulling the strings to make the special effects work. Ben has invented this mythical Jacob to be a godlike leader of his people because people need to have someone to fear and adore. Also, any unpopular decisions could be blamed on the unseen leader, just following orders. Very Machiavellian, as Ben has been since the day we met him.
Comment by t — April 21, 2007 @ 10:37 pm
Jacob is Smokey. Book it.
Comment by Derek — April 21, 2007 @ 10:41 pm
T, out of all the Jacob theories the two that make the most sense to me are Marvin Candle and the one you jusk came up with (Ben). It really does fit well…
Comment by cap10tripps — April 22, 2007 @ 11:23 am
I thought a while ago that Smokey might be Jacob, damn you Derek for beating me to it *shaking fist*.
Also thought for a while it could be Ben, as that would slide in very nicely. Duplicity is his strong suit, and I’m sure a copy of ‘The Prince’ was on that bookshelf of his.
Now I don’t know my Bible all too well, being that I’ve never touched one, but I remember reading a theory somewhere that included a tidbit about Biblical Jacob being the father of Biblical Benjamin. Feel free to totally rip that apart, as I have no idea whether its actually true.
On a somewhat related note, something in the back of my head tells me Ben is the son of the DeGroots, which would make, tied into my earlier point, Gerald DeGroot, Jacob. That is kinda out there but not as much as dual Christian or Jack theories, I’m sorry people, but that shit’s just wack.
BTW, I recall Darlton saying the word ‘clone’ will never appear on that show, and seeing how ‘duplicate’ is just playing semantics with cloning, I think we can throw that theory out the window…
Comment by RedStarRevolution — April 22, 2007 @ 4:20 pm
In the Wizard of Oz, who was the man behind the curtain?
Henry Gale.
I vote for either Ben or Jack.
Both Ben and Desmond have mentioned the “box”.
Perhaps Ben also can see into the future.
Comment by Abraham — April 22, 2007 @ 6:02 pm
And don’t forget, Lenny told Hurley he’d “opened the box” when he used the numbers to play the Lottery.
Comment by gusteaux — April 22, 2007 @ 9:12 pm
RedStar, I believe the difference here is that duplicate would mean pulling a duplicate from the box or creating some sort of exact duplicate of someone. A clone is something that begins life as a fetus and goes through the aging process. I’m not saying I subscribe to the theories (although I’d like to hear more about them, Doc), but that’s not semantics…
Comment by cap10tripps — April 22, 2007 @ 9:47 pm
The Ben theory makes a lot of sense. If he can indeed see the future like Desmond then he orchestrated all these events to bring certain people together for specific reasons that he’s already forseen. He’s probably going to reveal to Locke that the whole Jacob thing is really a hoax that he uses to get the others to follow him.
Comment by thefallguy1 — April 23, 2007 @ 7:57 am
If Desmond changed something by saving Charlie, then why did Charlie appear holding the parachute in Desmond’s first flash of the future?
Comment by Gatorfan — April 23, 2007 @ 10:20 am
Henry Gale is the name of Dorothy
Comment by themachine — April 23, 2007 @ 10:29 am
Jacob is Alvar Hanso. Hanso vanished, nobody knows where to. He became the leader of the Others.
Comment by MikerMan — April 23, 2007 @ 11:26 am
Mike: I never thought of Hanso actually being behind the Others? But it makes perfect sense!!! Or, it could be Charles Widmore? Either one of them.
Comment by DrSheppard — April 23, 2007 @ 11:53 am
Know who else disappeared from the Lost universe? J.J. Abrams… I’m sticking with my theory that he’s Jacob…
Comment by tomfishstory — April 23, 2007 @ 8:24 pm