Lost 3.20 Rumors / spoilers
Finally, the planets have aligned properly and I can now release a few tidbits of info about LOST 3.20 that up until now I have been sworn to secrecy over. Read on for the sordid details.
There is a funny thing about running this type of site. You get extremely credible information given on a "Don’t repeat this" basis, and you get lots of not so credible information on a "please publish this" basis. Naturally, the ‘off the record’ stuff usually turns out to be true. My policy has always been, when you say ‘off the record’ it stays off the record, unless another source corroborates. I have to walk a fine line between scoundrel and friend in a situation like that because if I don’t snatch it, it is just going to go to another site the next day. (Sometimes even the same day.) As a result I’ve let a lot of off the record stuff remain off the record even though other sources have come through, merely out of respect for the first source.
So here is information that was hinted to me by credible sources, circulated as rumors, and then finally given to me straight up this morning by a source totally willing to have the info published. If this offends anyone who has given me info on the sly in the past, I apologize, but if I don’t go forward with it, somebody else will.
Veracity scale from 1-10, with 10 being most definitely true, I give this info an 8. I’m not publishing it word for word so you have to add a margin of error for my interpretation.
1 - We will see Ben and several ‘others’ in Dharma Jumpsuits, but they are not scientists. (Ben MAY not even be ‘Ben’)
2 - The episode will bring new meaning to the term ‘Born on the island’.
3 - The formation of ‘the others’ is counter-intuitive. Those seeking breakthroughs on the island (the scientists, etc) are the ones seen as impure, the guys who sweep the floors are seen as ‘fit’.
4 - Marvin Candle’s arm loss will be explained, graphically.
More as it becomes available.
what centric episode is this?
Comment by Nick — April 19, 2007 @ 2:30 pm
3.20 - Ben Centric
Comment by DocArzt — April 19, 2007 @ 2:40 pm
Thats just so damn cryptic!!
Intriguing…. HELL YES
Please let this episode be the big dharma answer fix we so desperately need.
Cant wait..
No really I cant..
Comment by beatlab — April 19, 2007 @ 2:42 pm
..The episode will bring new meaning to the term ‘Born on the island’…
Could Ben as we know him be a clone of another Ben?
Comment by mel76 — April 19, 2007 @ 2:51 pm
Cloning. Has to be cloning. Insanity.
Comment by Me — April 19, 2007 @ 2:57 pm
I think it means that those who were “born on the island” were cleansed with some ritual.
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — April 19, 2007 @ 3:03 pm
Perhaps cleansed by amputation of their little toe??
Comment by Steventm98 — April 19, 2007 @ 3:09 pm
“Born” could also indicate the assumption of an identity, particularly if the circumstances of such are relatively extreme.
Comment by Richard Lennox — April 19, 2007 @ 3:12 pm
I’ve been thinking for awhile that “the others” we actually test subjects or experiments of Dharma that eventually rebelled… Maybe ben was some sort of test tube kid… and the others are all sterile because of these experiments, but ben wants to make them normal (able to conceive)
Comment by johobi — April 19, 2007 @ 3:14 pm
And to cover the crazy-bases, let’s not also forget the likes of possession, reincarnation, and mind/conscience-transference.
Comment by Richard Lennox — April 19, 2007 @ 3:15 pm
“The Brig” was supposed to be a nobody’s flashback and it would be the first without one wasnt it? but I just read that it would be a Locke episode.
And for “The Man Behind the Curtain” wasnt it supposed to be just a dharma episode with flashbacks of the 70s-80s?
Then Charlie’s episode…
and after that would be the finale with Ben, but now I read that its a jack-centric finale… is it just me or does that not seem right unless Jack is going to die? Having the finale be a Ben episode seems to make more sense to me.
Just my thoughts on it is all.
Comment by Nick — April 19, 2007 @ 4:00 pm
No I got it…..remember in a Michael Emerson interview he pointed out that the director specifically told him that it was easy for him and the others to climb the rock while it was exhausting for Sawyer? Couple that with Ethan’s apparent inhuman strength, and the people in Dharma Jumpsuits doing jumping jacks in the Pearl Orientation Video, we will see that the higher up Others like Ethan, Ben, Isabel, Tom, etc…were test subjects by the Dharma Intiative and that is how they received super human strength and why they are wearing Dharma jumpsuits.
Comment by Muscle_Bob_Buff_Pants — April 19, 2007 @ 4:04 pm
One square peg in this whole thing is that Darlton said that the others were not ‘aware’ of the Swan Station. Some have suggested this to mean that since Ben, Alpert, and the rest were sort of like the maintenance crew, they never went inside the stations or had any idea what went on there.
Comment by docarzt — April 19, 2007 @ 5:11 pm
I’m loving the cloning hints, brings to mind the Jack-alike from the challah. And it lets me continue with my delusion that Ben’ll die this season, yet Emerson gets to continue with the show.
Yet, the “born” hint sounds similar to what they were doing to Alex’s friend, the Clockwork Orange bit. Hm.
Comment by ungabunga — April 19, 2007 @ 5:28 pm
“No I got it…..remember in a Michael Emerson interview he pointed out that the director specifically told him that it was easy for him and the others to climb the rock while it was exhausting for Sawyer? Couple that with Ethan’s apparent inhuman strength, and the people in Dharma Jumpsuits doing jumping jacks in the Pearl Orientation Video, we will see that the higher up Others like Ethan, Ben, Isabel, Tom, etc…were test subjects by the Dharma Intiative and that is how they received super human strength and why they are wearing Dharma jumpsuits.”
This seems totally logical!! Except for the fact that Juliet also had crazy moves… Unless they’ve been submitting her to the same types of experimental stuff since her arrival… Maybe Ben was surprised at getting cancer because he was engineered to NOT develop disease… and didn’t he recover pretty quickly from that arrow through the chest or whatever when he was brought to the Swan?
And then they purged the Dharma scientists because they thought that they were more powerful than them with these superhuman mutant abilities?
Comment by johobi — April 19, 2007 @ 6:17 pm
Two words
BAD TWIN
Comment by elixirmm — April 19, 2007 @ 9:04 pm
Oh Doctor, my Doctor…
Let’s just say that, unlike your predecessor, if you were to get suddenly blown to smitherybits by unstable TNT I would not be squealing with glee.
Thanks for the postage
Comment by Jimmy Zer0 — April 19, 2007 @ 9:49 pm
If Ben is a clone, perhaps the real “Ben” is Jacob. He put his own clone in charge of the others because there would be no one he would trust more than “himself”.
Comment by Stinkfist — April 20, 2007 @ 4:43 am
WOW!!! I really cannot wait for this episode!!!
Comment by themachine — April 20, 2007 @ 8:25 am
“No I got it…..remember in a Michael Emerson interview he pointed out that the director specifically told him that it was easy for him and the others to climb the rock while it was exhausting for Sawyer? Couple that with Ethan’s apparent inhuman strength, and the people in Dharma Jumpsuits doing jumping jacks in the Pearl Orientation Video, we will see that the higher up Others like Ethan, Ben, Isabel, Tom, etc…were test subjects by the Dharma Intiative and that is how they received super human strength and why they are wearing Dharma jumpsuits.”
NOW HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE IF MIKHAIL SAID THE OTHERS WERE THERE BEFORE DHARMA??
Comment by The Lost King — April 20, 2007 @ 9:04 am
Lost King -
Ethan and Goodwin did pose as passengers from the plane.
Comment by TabulaRasa — April 20, 2007 @ 9:55 am
I agree completely with Muscle_Bob. Ben projects no feeling of physical pain at anytime. Ex1) Ben gets the hell beaten out of him by Sayid, I mean he was getting wailed on until Jack pulls him off. Then when Sayid looks back Ben is just sitting there calmly with that familiar evil stare. Any normal person would either be unconcious or completely balled up in pain. Ex. 2) During Jack’s surgery on Ben he somehow wakes up and is able to have a fully lucid conversation with those around him despite being opened up in probably the most sensitive nerve area in the body. WTF! How in the hell could he not be in pain and totally toasted from the meds? Ben is by no stretch a normal dude.
Comment by macvsog — April 20, 2007 @ 2:02 pm
Doc, can we please hear the final installment of your “Bad Twin” theory. Pretty please, with DHARMA sugar on top.
By the way, they found a ghost ship off the coast of Australia today. The motor was running and dinner was on the table, but nobody was on board. There is no trace of the passengers so far. I just found that real interesting considering the show we talk about on thetailsection all day…
Comment by cap10tripps — April 20, 2007 @ 2:10 pm
One square peg in this whole thing is that Darlton said that the others were not ‘aware’ of the Swan Station. Some have suggested this to mean that since Ben, Alpert, and the rest were sort of like the maintenance crew, they never went inside the stations or had any idea what went on there.
Posted by: docarzt
We know this isnt true since Ben was in the Pearl station watching a monitor showing Jack in the Swan station…
Comment by anonymous — April 20, 2007 @ 6:53 pm
Think timeline anonymous…
Comment by GhostWriter Zen — April 20, 2007 @ 9:15 pm
Could ‘born’ also mean conditioned? Like they were doing to Alex’ boyfriend in that psycho room?
Comment by mayo — April 21, 2007 @ 2:52 am
After watchin 3.18 i think that the whole bad twin/clone theory gains more substance as you clearly see Locke kill Mikhail with the sonic fence, and then he suddenly appears in the forest next to Desmond and Co, but he does not seem as evil, he could of easily fought them for the satelite phone but he didnt, why? when they need it so much considering there is no communications station anymore. He seemed just too placid.
Comment by Emerald City Guard — April 27, 2007 @ 10:18 am
After watchin 3.18 i think that the whole bad twin/clone theory gains more substance as you clearly see Locke kill Mikhail with the sonic fence, and then he suddenly appears in the forest next to Desmond and Co, but he does not seem as evil, he could of easily fought them for the satelite phone but he didnt, why? when they need it so much considering there is no communications station anymore. He seemed just too placid.
Comment by Emerald City Guard — April 27, 2007 @ 10:18 am
I dont think he was cloned, I sure hope not anyways. I dont think they would do something so cliche. I think he may have been created by other scientific means, like test tube babys, or by brainwashing, or like a “born again” christian of sorts. Or was infact born there, but by other unconventional means that we havent even thought of yet. Since his father was there also, maybe they came together at the same time to work there under the Dharma initiative, once he was already born, but contrary to what he and his father believed they were suposed to be there for, Dharma performed experiments on him, and other “others” as children, or maybe even as fetuses, explaining why they seem to be superhuman, and down right creepy. Dharma used the island to do there work because it posed a perfect place to perform such experiments, and maybe even promoted such things, given its anomalies, and remoteness. This theory also supports why they cannont concieve, due to the extesive experiments done to change there dna, or making them sterile. I think the purge was when the people who had been experimented on, grew up and realized the treatment they had recieved was cruel and unjust, they revolted, creating a war between them and the scientists. That could also explain why they believe they are the “good ones” because they were only innocent children manipulated by the scientists. Jacob being the one who started the revolution, there “great leader”. Maybe Jacob had undergone experiments that left him very very powerful, allowing him to strike back so sucessfully, that he and the ones who followed him ended up killing most if not all Dharma members. But the Island itself is still more powerful than anyone to inhabit it, and they feel they understand it better than the scientists who were manipulating its power, thats why Ben likes Locke so much, he can understand how they feel. Just a thought, I am most likley wrong though
there are so many other things to consider.
Comment by jess — April 29, 2007 @ 10:38 am
sorry i forgot we already know that they cant be sterile, rather something they did changed the women on the island. Maybe they didnt want them to be able to have children, to make them purley experiments, to further the point that they are inhuman and inferior. Or they let out a virus or sorts to stop any one on the island from having children because they didnt want these mutant people to inhabit the island and start a civilization in such a powerful place, maybe they were afriad that the rest of the world would find out about it this way? or that they would take over if they out numbered them. Or maybe cause a threat to humanity? while they were there trying to save humaity, letting the experiments get out of hand would create the opposite effect. Maybe now the “others” want to do exactly that, start a civilization of there own kind.
Comment by jess — April 29, 2007 @ 10:50 am
Im just bewing with theorys today. Regarding the hatches and our losties roll in all of this. They left the swan station running after the purge, recruiting new people to run it, to control the magnetic anomaly, because if they let it go, it meant trouble for the island, or it could bring about a change. Cutting out parts of the information video, to hide there true identities. They kept the flame to keep an eye on things, make sure the outside world still believes that Dharma is under control, im not sure where mihkal stands though…. The staff to take care of there dying patients, recruiting juliette to help that situation. So the others kept running some things under the Dharma name, so they could still recieve food and information, but with there own secret agenda at hand. Refering to themselves as Dharma, and the people they killed (the original dharma scientists) as the Hostiles. They set free the animals being tested in the hydra, because the others were also treated like test animals. Explaining the polar bears and sharks, empty cages ect. Now, they planned to bring new people, possibly worthy of becoming inhabitants of the island, with reason to stay because they have nothing to go back to in there lives back home. People that could help them, doctors, military specialists, Mothers, strong people. But once our losties got there, they ended up causing more trouble than help for the others. hence the lists, maybe those are the people they could still use, and not use, “do away with” use to there advantage rather than join the community, because with power comes greed and in some people evil ideas, but in there mind they think they are still doing the right thing. This sort of contradicts there being tortured and experimented on though, you would think they wouldnt want to do that to people. Maybe the have to, so they 815ers understand what they had gone though? there are probably others who traveled back home to look for these people and put in place events in there lives that would direct them to getting on that flight. Remember they could have special powers, maybe crazy cognitive abilities that can manipulate people into having thoughts, or actions. Maybe some people who got on that flight werent picked to go there, the’re just there by mistake. So then the people the others have working for them at home, people with enough money and power to do so, covered up the plane crash, so that the families wouldnt look for the losties. Ensuring them that they have these people for good to do whatever they need with them, build on there society? in hopes that these people can still procreate without problem? and continue there legacy if worthy. who knows. But one thing they didnt bargain for and expect was Desmond and Pennys knowledge of the island.
Comment by jess — April 29, 2007 @ 11:22 am
READ THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ok call me mad if u want, and maybe its me trying a little too much to spot clues. but this is prety sweet. am watching the seasons again. Season 1 episode 5 ‘white rabit’ is a must watch!
get to the 21st minute…… jack is chasing his father in the forest/jungle.. he chases him until he rolls down a hill and onto a clift edge where he hangs.
within 2 or 3 secs of him hanging off listen to the background.. u first hear a bird or summet, then striaght after u can hear a womanish/boyish voice that sounds trapped say ‘help me’… it goes to a break.. after the break it returns to jack hanging still, and within a second u hear ‘help me’ again. its very faint. but its real. then out of nowhere locke turns up???? coincidence? ?
please watch that bit… to b exact i have it on 21st minute and 20ish secs.. then another cry after the break… but mite b different.
let me know
Comment by ben jackson — January 11, 2009 @ 5:55 pm