Catch-22 Big Time Easter EGG!
Part of the game changer reared its head tonight when the mysterious woman dubbed by fans as Mrs. Hawkins, AKA the creepy jewelery store lady who game Desmond a ‘Brief History of Time’, complete with a chapter on course correction, turned up in a photograph with Brother Campbell of Desmond’s Monastery:
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They really wanted to pound home the concept that the labor of Desmond’s life is sacrifice. Moriah is the mountain range where Abraham took his son Isaac to sacrifice him to prove his devotion to god. Of course the problem is Desmond does not understand why Abraham had to be tested, until he realizes that he is perhaps being tested himself.
This is the Portuguese version of Catch-22. Significant because the folks in the arctic listening post were Brazilians, who speak Portuguese. A tenuous affirmation that our parachutist is from the group, at best.
This means something. But what? Are we heading for a meta fictional aspect next?
WOW!! i didn’t even realize the picture…it went too fast for me. that is very interesting…
Comment by LiLi — April 18, 2007 @ 8:15 pm
Great catch with the picture. I was so involved in the episode that I could have swore that the guy telling us how we can watch episodes online by saying “catch up any time” sounded like “catch a penny time.” Can’t wait for more eggs.
Comment by bdub — April 18, 2007 @ 8:19 pm
yea they made that picture mad obvious…i never get anything else but that i got lol it was like the camera moved to show it a bit more lol was wierd but great easter egg - although i still am LOST lol
Comment by mo — April 18, 2007 @ 8:20 pm
Does the hula girl mean they are close to Hawaii? I’ve been looking for clues as to where the island is located. Has latitude/longitude been looked at by using the numbers? Sorry for rambling…on a Lost high I guess, haha.
Comment by bdub — April 18, 2007 @ 8:22 pm
That picture couldn’t be more doctored…I think they used Photoshop 1987…LOL
Comment by El Prez — April 18, 2007 @ 8:25 pm
That is Do badly photo shopped!
Comment by Bigbenguy — April 18, 2007 @ 8:34 pm
OK, my new theory… She is someone like Desmond who sees the future, she obviously had something to do with bringing him to the monestary(just waking up with a man helping up up and taking him to the monestary? come on!)
And she also had something to do with him leaving just before he met Penny.
Just as Desmond knew that he had to get the right people together to find the noami(parachutist) she knew she had to put her ‘flashes’ together so that Desmond would go to the island and press the button.
But is she something more? Dharma maybe? Maybe an other?
Comment by tom — April 18, 2007 @ 8:39 pm
maybe it wasn’t really a monistary?
Comment by gavin920 — April 18, 2007 @ 8:42 pm
Dude everyone knows where the island is, just go to Google Maps and type in: 4 8 15 16 23 42, and oh my that was a horrible photoshop job, unless it was supposed to be really bad, but a very awesome moment nonetheless thanks to my DVR.
Comment by tanside — April 18, 2007 @ 8:56 pm
Yeah i swear that pic of Mrs. Hawking actually came from lost-media.
Comment by DocArzt — April 18, 2007 @ 9:03 pm
Did Penny say they were going to Carlisle? This seems to be very specific. I can’t get the word out of my head so here are a couple anagrams for the word. 1) air cells - this could go along with the time/space theory. 2) calls ire - since a phone was found it could mean that if it is used some kind of wrath will result. I’m probably reading too much into it but thought I’d put it out there.
Comment by bdub — April 18, 2007 @ 9:20 pm
When Desmond says he woke up and didn’t know where he was, is that a possible loop point? Perhaps he had either finished a loop or would eventually begin one from that point. Maybe Ms. Hawking was a clue of this. She made sure Brother Monk Dude found Des and helped him. Perhaps she is an agent of the original inhabitants of Snow Globe Island, a metaphoric angel.
Also, my first thought on the hula girl was that they are close to Hawaii, but that would not explain why the Brazilians were stationed in the arctic. Perhaps the hula girl is a more personal item between Des and Pen…
Comment by cap10tripps — April 18, 2007 @ 10:12 pm
When Desmond was putting the boxes in the jeep I think the box reads 1989, but the label on the bottle read 1995. Confirmation? I assume they could reuse boxes, but, what else could it mean? I really enjoyed this episode, it provides hope that the anomaly was noticed and a team was sent for a rescue, and that time may be moving normally on and off the island. Anything else may be too much to explain before lost ends.
Comment by Purdue Ben — April 18, 2007 @ 10:27 pm
Yo Doc, what about the second picture? I know we live in a world where Des could have emailed her a copy, but that wouldn’t fit at all. I believe your dual timeline theory just grew a new testicle…
Comment by cap10tripps — April 18, 2007 @ 10:34 pm
The monastery only had 108 bottles of wine that year, anyone catch that? 108 minutes, 108 bottles.
YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST!
Comment by Alex — April 18, 2007 @ 10:48 pm
What is this egg everyone is refferring to
Comment by LostHead — April 18, 2007 @ 11:10 pm
That hula girl would sure look nice on the dash of a Dharma van
Comment by Chad — April 18, 2007 @ 11:11 pm
So I went to google maps and came up with a locale in the middle of Africa. If this is true, it would be a hint that the island is located in the beginning of human existence. The origins of our race has always been traced to Africa…
Comment by cap10tripps — April 19, 2007 @ 12:20 am
Or it could be the place of our creation (no time restrictions attached). There have been plenty of hints that it’s Eden/Shambala…
Comment by cap10tripps — April 19, 2007 @ 12:23 am
Yeah, clumsily photoshopped and thrown right in our faces–why?
This connects the two people who have spoken directly to Desmond about destiny, albeit with very different levels of detail, not to mention the man who caused his introduction to Penny and the woman who drove the final wedge between Des and Pen.
Comment by Tim J. — April 19, 2007 @ 4:02 am
Why did the helicopter come from one direction and never make it to the island yet the woman landed in the jungle? Also, does the metallic sounds the helicopter made suggest that there is still the electromagnetic element still there and thus could possibly give the island’s location to Penny if they had contact until it went down? Unless there is a different time and space element.
Comment by bdub — April 19, 2007 @ 5:13 am
The Hawaiian girl is significant, maybe because the helicopter originated from Hawaii. If that is the case, one of two things happened:
1. Naomi was on a one way trip anticipating a landing on the island and using the satellite phone to contact the rest of the rescue team. However, the island was not where the magnetic anomaly was detected. She ran out of fuel and the ‘copter crashed.
2. The Island brought down the helicopter not wanting anyone to leave.
Comment by TabulaRasa — April 19, 2007 @ 5:19 am
Purdue Ben -
Confirmed. My DVR is standard def, but the label on the wine bottle was 1995, the boxes were stamped 1989. I have the screencap, but I am certain that someone with get that in HD before long.
That could just be due to the aging of the wine. A production effort to be accurate in the ways of wine-making.
Comment by TabulaRasa — April 19, 2007 @ 5:32 am
I have a couple of things
#1 What kind of satalite phone was that because if we can find out what kind it was and when it was made it would either break your time and space theory or give it new life.
#2 From just a quick glance at that phone I have a suspisious assumption that it was indeed an iphone but if that were true then shit would be crazy pardon my french.
#3 There have also been theorys that the islands time moves slower than the real worlds but if Des was stations at the swan for around 3 years wouldn’t Jack have looked alot older when he arrived on the island because of the time going slower on the island …. just a thought.
#4 and that pic definitly does not look real and they need to hire a better photoshopper
Comment by DMS — April 19, 2007 @ 5:40 am
Cap10-
I had the same thought about Des waking up in the street…The “calling”…The old lady said that Desmond turning the key would be the greatest thing he’ll ever do, but she didn’t indicate that it would be the “last” thing he did..
I think the monk and the old lady are EVIL. I think they need Desmond to follow his original loop, turn the key and set in motion other events. The fact that he keeps getting an opportunity to do it over and over tells me that there’s SOMETHING more he should be doing. His real,true “calling”…what that is hasn’t been revealed but why continue on after turning the key? Because there HAS to be more for him to do. Maybe something the old lady and the monk aren’t aware of…
Comment by El Prez — April 19, 2007 @ 5:45 am
I definately think that the old woman and the priest (who were plants) are trying to manipulate an outcome that someone or some group wants. Who they represent I do not know and yes I think they are evil. In “Flashes” she tries to make him think he is a prisoner of destiny. No matter what he does nothing will change. I think that the loops are teaching him that free will is the choice that will save them. Everything points to destiny and aceptance of what will be but when Desmond and the losties fight this idea they will choose the senario of events that will be the good solution for them and the future. Whoever is tring to manipulate what happens on the island has set this up and have endless money & resourses to create the final solution that they want.
Comment by H20 — April 19, 2007 @ 6:07 am
I mentioned this before but I really do believe that the use of Catch-22 has something do to with the books use of the VUs as they’re known: Jamais vu is a term in psychology (from the French, meaning “never seen”) which is used to describe any familiar situation which is not recognized by the observer; Presque vu (from French, meaning “almost seen”) is the sensation of being on the brink of an epiphany. Often very disorienting and distracting, presque vu rarely leads to an actual breakthrough; “d
Comment by release — April 19, 2007 @ 6:22 am
Forget Photoshop, it looks like someone used two pictures, a pair of scissors and a glue stick!
Comment by thefallguy1 — April 19, 2007 @ 6:27 am
Season finale shocker right here folks: Kate is going to find out she’s pregnant with Sawyer’s baby.
This is why she was so important to the others…
…she didn’t want to be ‘Eve’…Sun asked her if she ever had taken a pregnancy test before and of course we now know this got her to up and run…only now where can she run? She will have to turn to Juliet for help. She now has 9 months to live…and Lost just got a bit more interesting with a ticking time bomb on it.
Comment by Dan — April 19, 2007 @ 6:36 am
Actually, I believe that the people from the monitoring were speaking Portuguese with an accent from Portugal, not Brazil.
Comment by Pedro — April 19, 2007 @ 7:05 am
What if the old lady is really Penny, and perhaps the monk is Desmond?
Comment by Mike — April 19, 2007 @ 7:06 am
I hope that was a joke Mike because if it wasn’t that was a horrible post you should reconsider your thoughts
Comment by DMS — April 19, 2007 @ 7:09 am
Both the old lady and the monk made it possible for Desmond to follow his path and without being “fired” or “released” from the monistary he would never have met Penny nor had any chance of getting to the island. Also with the help of the old woman he made the same mistakes in the past and was still on the island and was able to save the world if thats really what wouldve happened. They both knew Des was in for an important fate and wanted it to happen but Penny never wanted Des to leave which would pose a problem for the old lady being Penny because the old lady wanted Des to get on the island. So my question is does anyone have any opinions about these two mysterious characters and their importance to the show and the timeline of the show?
Comment by DMS — April 19, 2007 @ 7:28 am
I agree, there’s some really weird about that photo on the monk’s desk. Its like they’ve just pasted three photos together. Either very bad photoshop or maybe later we’ll find out more about it and why it looks so weird. (I thought the same about the Desmond/Penny photo, and it turned out to be a fake backdrop)
Comment by AnotherOther — April 19, 2007 @ 7:48 am
Saving Charlie did not change the outcome of who the parachutist was but by seeing the flashes Desmond brought the medical kit he asked Jack for. He pretended he needed it for a fake ankle injury Jack was not going to give it to him til he reminded him of the time they met in the stadium. Desmond was brining it to help Charlie after he was hit by the arrow. Does anyone remember him telling Jack at the stadium that he almost became a Dr. Anyways he saved Charlie so he did not need it but I think he will need it to help save Naomi’s life.”Desmond allows an unlikely nemesis to help save the life of a new, mysterious island inhabitant.”
Comment by H20 — April 19, 2007 @ 7:52 am
DMS-
I’ve heard some Internet rumblings, rumors and spoilers, indicating that there are “forces” that make the Others seem humble by comparison. If you add last night’s photoshop extravaganze of the old lady and the monk, I think they are those “forces”.
I hesitate to mention it but Ben’s claim of “we’re the Good Guys” may actually be true. I love that so many signs are pointing elsewhere that the Others are evil but that’s an old WWF technique: The bad guy misunderstood turns good.
Wrestling entertainment has now been compared to LOST. I may be drawn and quartered for that one, eh Doc?
Comment by El Prez — April 19, 2007 @ 8:20 am
I like your idea EL prez ive heard a ton of rumors of a third group of people on the island and that Ben was just protecting his people “others” from this worse third group.
Comment by DMS — April 19, 2007 @ 8:27 am
Greetings, from one Gentleman to another/s.
Long time reader, first time poster. Love the site Doc, you’re a pillar of the community for Lost fans seeking a fix. I believe I shall name you all Seekers because that which is lost is sought. Regardless of my need to nickname, one thing bothered me about this otherwise brillant episode; What was the catch-22? Usually the title can be picked up without a doubt during the show but this one stumped me… Perhaps it was refering to Desi’s choice, ie saving charlie would affect the outcome of his ‘It’s Penny!’ theory?… Of course it wasnt Penelope and she was alive anyway though barely so that just seems a bit flimsy. I must admit it does have similarity to Abraham. Maybe the titles are beginning to cross over into easter egg valley…
This theory includes the fact that Juliet kills Charlie for killing Ethan. There is no excuse within the Multi-verse that justifies killing another, especially if they deserve it. Thats their own choice which is their own Dharma. I believe this is who she was glaring at if she was glaring at all. I believe this because even though she was with Goodwin in bed, when there was a knock at the door he froze and she told him to stay in the bedroom. I know that look, from personal experience. Ethan was fixing her plumming in ep1. From that first episode I got the impression that they were.. well they were at least something. Its pretty intimate to mess around with someone’s plumming.:-) Desi decides that Charlie’s death is the best outcome for them all compared to the other sequence of events. Quick thought; is Desmond only able to see the flashes of those who are next in line to die? Wow I cant believe your still reading this far.. Probably not but Id love to hear what you all think especially wether or not Juliet could be Desmond’s ‘unlikely nemesis’ Big shout out to cap10tripps, El Prez, h20 among others. Love your contributions and I love the way the show makes us all think, inside, outside and within the fibres of the box. Thank-you for your time.
Another theory came to me after when I was trying to puzzle out the title, its not specifically about Desmond but his Island ward of care, Charlie. Im thinking that the catch-22 could be up-coming in that he sees a full double vision, kind of like what will happen in the future if he saves charlie in one way or the other and has to make a lesser of two evils choice. Both Superman and The Flash’s powers grew with time.
ps good catch Alex
Comment by GhostWriter Zen — April 19, 2007 @ 8:29 am
I think the photo on the desk was intentionally made to look “doctored”.
I’m not sure why but I’m confident we’ll learn why.
Comment by phishbisquit — April 19, 2007 @ 8:43 am
I assumed that the catch22 was in the fact that Desmond’s “flash” was a result of the trip they took to find the parachutist and the trip was a result of the flash.
Comment by TrillianM — April 19, 2007 @ 9:04 am
I think the picture was purposly made to look doctored to show us it was an easter egg and we should notice it. When we see the old women we realize that Desmond is still being manipulated by others(mysterious group with their own agenda). Just like the medical report that Ben showed Juliet was of a man. So we are to notice and realize that Ben never really cured Rachel because she was not sick again. Also when he showed Rachel and Julien in a live feed from Miami we are to realize that with the time zone differences it would be dark in Miami and so that was not really a live feed but a manipulation of Juliet once again. It was done to make it stand out to us the viewers.
Comment by H20 — April 19, 2007 @ 9:08 am
The old lady in the picture is from the movie, “The Others” with Nicole Kidman. How ironic!!! Looks like Desmond will have to sacrifice Charlie so he can see Penny again.
Comment by CU inAnother LifeBrotha — April 19, 2007 @ 9:19 am
Hey Seekers, I spent a little time writing that I missed the new posts. I agree totally with El Prez and DMS. What about the ‘others’ being Mittleos Bioscience and the ‘Thirdies’… Dharma? remenants gone lord of the flies?.. Two competing scientific corporations that turned nasty because of agendas for the island and the fact that no one knows your there. If there’s no one to accuse you there was no crime, some may think. Or the Hanso Foundation was split into factions at the top levels (those who knew the location of the island) and Mittlewerk is incharge of both factions since we know from the lost experience that Mittlewerk is secretly running Hanso and probably has been since the 80’s (the only pic of Alvar dated 1980 then 2002 or something). When he takes over he sends a new team to do their own research (’others’) and they purge Dharma or Dharma tries to purge them. Im liking that idea El Prez, theres a clan of future flashers on one of the other islands or in the earth itself. My theory on the photo is that it was doctored for a purpose. Let me explain, it was sooooo obviously photoshop, TPTB dont make mistakes like that, not with their budget and resources. I believe that Brother Monk was once in love with Ms Hawking who according to the visions knew she must leave her true love to correctly walk her path. Maybe he is a future flasher but Im kinda leaning toward the idea that he doctored the photo himself because she broke his heart and everyone knows that we do some pretty stupid things when our hearts break. It also takes time to get over and closure is rarely attainable for true love. The fact that he send Desi off was probably part of his own path and we know that the writers love the random connections: Desi + Ms Hawking, Ms Hawking + Brother Monk, Brother Monk + Desi and of course Penelope.
Comment by GhostWriter Zen — April 19, 2007 @ 9:27 am
Hey GhostWriter zen, i did read your whole post, and i also think the unlikely nemisis will be Juliette. but you can never really tell with LOST
Comment by LiLi — April 19, 2007 @ 10:27 am
I’m not ruling out the idea that the monk and Ms. Hawkings are somehow evil time traveling manipulators. However, here’s my alternate sort of “obvious” take.
The further we go back into desmonds past we learn more and more about the people and events that have affected his life. Now, what’s the more likely scenario? Desmond is in fact reliving the same experiences over and over as part of a “pre-destined” fate that requires him to sacrifice his own happiness and save the world… or… Desmond, like Locke and others, will finally recognize that on this island their lives or “destinies” are “in their own hands.” He could have easily dreamed up Ms. Hawkins as the “time lady” because he associates her with another important man in his life, the monk. I don’t think the monk was another time traveller, but somewhere in the deep recesses of his brain, Desmond remembers that the Brother’s “spiritual assessment,” led him to his meeting with Penny (who just happens to be the love of his life and his biggest regret).
Perhaps what we are witnessing with Desmond is a confused semi-spiritual conduit. We’ve seen other characters recieve unclear “visions” previously which led them to seemingly important discoveries but that doesn’t mean that can see the future or predict events. Basically, I think the island has given Desmond the ability to create his own destiny much like it gave Locke a new indentity. Desmond has created this “world-saving time bandit” identity in order to cope with his predicament. It sounds much better than “cowardly drunk that blew off the love of his life.”
Desmond is stil struggling with that identity because he knows on some level it isn’t real. Until he recognizes that he must completely let go of his old life with Penny, he will never be able to gain access to the full breadth of the islands healing abilities.
Comment by sandleford — April 19, 2007 @ 11:09 am
Hey GhostWriter,
I think the Catch-22 was supposed to be the dilemma Desmond faced between saving charlies life and potentially losing his chance at reuniting with the parachutist (whom he believed to be penny), or letting Charlie die so that his vision would happen unaltered. Which seemed like the most likely way to ensure that they would find the parachutist.
Either way, something pretty sucky was gonna happen, or so Des believed, and thats Catch-22.
I personally think this Schroedinger’s cat stuff with Penny being potentially under the helmet until des saved charlie and resovled the chutist into Naomi to be nonsense. But thats just me.
Comment by Jimmy Zer0 — April 19, 2007 @ 11:49 am
The book Catch 22. Desmond is in a catch 22. Should he continue to save charlie or not?
Comment by dlg — April 19, 2007 @ 11:52 am
This is also my first post as well…I was assuming that “Catch 22″ referred to Desmond’s position of allowing reuniting with Penny, but at the expense of Charlie’s life…
Comment by Todd Anthony — April 19, 2007 @ 12:24 pm
We can say Desmond affected the future by saving Charlie. The boots and outfit of the parachuter were different in his vision than what came out of the sky. The new woman was not the woman he forsaw.
It should have been Penny, but he saved Charlie. Check it out. They show it very clearly.
Comment by Roshan — April 19, 2007 @ 1:41 pm
Sorry if this was mentioned before but the parachute girl’s name is Naomi right? And Desmond’s ex-fiancee was Ruth…both in the same Bible story if I’m correct? Possible connections between the two?
Comment by Mek — April 19, 2007 @ 3:17 pm
Guys correct me if I am wrong but wasnt the hula girl from the Portuguese Plane. Go back and watch the plane, I clearly remember the hula girl shaking back and forth.
Comment by jalocke — April 19, 2007 @ 4:28 pm
Jalocke,
you got me listening. but what portugese plane are you talking about?? let me know, cuz this is something i wanna go back and check.
Comment by Dr. Nope — April 19, 2007 @ 4:32 pm
@bdub
It
Comment by Ohm — April 19, 2007 @ 7:17 pm
Why did the helicopter come from one direction and never make it to the island yet the woman landed in the jungle?
I had a sense that the Chopper was flying over the Island not coming from the ocean and that the pilot jumped out over the Island while the chopper Drifted(for lack of a better word) into the ocean
Comment by Fardog989 — April 20, 2007 @ 5:33 am
I was referring to the plane at the end of Season 2 with the two men speaking Portuguese who called Penny. If you watch that last episode Ill bet you see that hula girl on the plane.
Comment by jalocke — April 20, 2007 @ 4:43 pm
i’ll go back and look to see if i can find it. but the first thing i can tell you is that was no plane. but i will go back to see if i see the figure in that scene.
Comment by Dr. Nope — April 20, 2007 @ 7:17 pm
my guesse is des’s future flases are being manipulating by the evil forces on the island - ala trying to get hurley to jump of the cliff - the one BIG question i have after the last two episodes did the others use the big black monster to manipulate kate into trusting juliet - or did the monster just show up - in other words - DO THE OTHERS CONTROL THE MONSTER?
Comment by timelord — April 21, 2007 @ 10:03 am
the girl that fell from the sky, is bate. since the island is hidden, and difficult to locate, then sending someone in to first make contact, and then radio back(using the sat phone) is standerd procedure. Now, she seemed to know who desmond was because, i think i heard her say his name, meaning she was sent to find him,(penny is smart she wouldn’t just jump in, risking everything to recover desmond, she has been searching for 3 years) she’s going to play her cards right, so that when she does see desmond again it will be for good. now I only watch lost cuz I just want to know where/what the island is, and right now I think its in the north, or south poles, and the others work for santa claus, (they watch over his summer vacation spot, while he makes toys for christmas) and if anyone ever found out about the location of santa’s vacation spot then he wouldn’t have a place to get some rays and that would be a very bad thing indeed.
Comment by fish — April 21, 2007 @ 10:27 am
I think the hula girl is another reference to the Disney show, Lilo and Stitch. They have one in their spaceship…
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