Raise your hand if you don’t trust Juliet
For the record, I’ll be typing this article with one hand. Juliet has been this sort of ambiguous character, initially she would kill without a second thought, was tough, smart, and was definitely deeply rooted with the bad guys, yet a little conflicted. Her back story, so far, paints her as a fertility geek who signed on for a six month gig. Later on, we find out, through her, that she has more or less been a prisoner there.
Yet, when Ben talks to Locke he tells him that it is important that his people have the illusion that they can leave. Wouldn’t the fact that at least one of the other ‘recruits’ is being forced to stay there in a functional capacity sort of create some problems for that illusion? Doesn’t the question for those others who are concerned with their autonomy naturally become ‘Gee, if I asked to leave… would I get the same treatment as her?’
The big tip off that all may not be puppy dogs and daisies with Juliet was the fact of how ready she was to abandon Jack and Sayid. Now Sayid, we can understand, But Jack? Didn’t she bond with Jack? Wasn’t there a love connection going on? So why would she want to go tip toeing through the jungle with Kate and leave those two behind? Don’t let her doe eyed reunion with the scruffy doc mislead you, in the beginning of the episode there was nothing doing with going back to that village.
Coincidently, all of this prefaces a, ta da, Juliet episode. So perhaps some of the more puzzling factors of Juliet’s nature will be explained in that episode, but as for right now I’m not taking my eyes off that statuesque blond, and not just because she’s a statuesque blond, either… because I just don’t trust her.
uuuhhh… what are you doing with your other hand?
LOL
Comment by jeff — April 5, 2007 @ 8:46 am
lol jeff^^. i dont trust her either… but i like not knowing wats going on with her character.. it adds to the excitment.. of course i luv being spoiled about the show so w/e.
Comment by lostfreak711 — April 5, 2007 @ 8:53 am
minor continuity issue.
Aaron use to be totally silent whenever Sawyer spoke, not so much anymore =)
Comment by cekma — April 5, 2007 @ 8:56 am
I am taking her at face value for now. I think that there is a purposeful ambiguity to the character and the actress plays her that way. I wondered what the point of her going into the jungle and cuffing herself to Kate. But imagine that she hadn’t, they would have left her behind like the other seemingly did to her. She was on trial and she has been branded. I think her branding means something negative to them. That she, like Jack walks among them but is not one of them.
Although with that said, it would make sense to have her keep an eye on our LOSTIES, but I don’t think it’s that simple because they KNOW she was with them and they are not going to trust her completely…ever. Next weeks title of “one of Us” is sort of telling.
Comment by RazzleDazzle — April 5, 2007 @ 9:14 am
I’m raising it! Don’t you read titles, gutterbrain?
Comment by docarzt — April 5, 2007 @ 9:19 am
Face it… Juliet was not gassed. but she wanted it to appear that she was. Jack was her ticket in with the Losties all the while, but even he might have been suspicious if she just sauntered in and said “Hey everybody left, guess its just us now…” I believe she knows what is going on.”
Comment by docarzt — April 5, 2007 @ 9:21 am
gutterbrain and braindead apparently cause i TOTALLY overlooked the title!
now it all makes sense…
Comment by jeff — April 5, 2007 @ 9:25 am
What if Juliet was only on the island for 6 months ISLAND TIME, but that mean 3+ years real world time. She knows about the time difference and so told Jack about how long she’s been on the island in real world time rather than island time.
We have been told that time behaves differently on the island.
Comment by noblelawyer — April 5, 2007 @ 9:27 am
my thoughts exactly, doc. all we have is her word that she got gassed and left behind. are we supposed to believe she’s been there for 3 years and they have a secret hideaway that everyone knows about but her??
Comment by mati — April 5, 2007 @ 9:27 am
The big tip off is that Sayid doesn’t want her to go and he is never wrong in these situations. He will either get his answers or Juliet will be very sorry she tried to con the group. Juliet is a snake and I don’t trust her at all.
Comment by kyle — April 5, 2007 @ 9:38 am
No doubt Juliet has ethical/integrity/trust issues Doc.
B4 “recruited”, her ex said that her successful sister experiment was clearly illegal (unethical). Our bathroom, diamond hiding boy overheard Juliet & Ben casually discussing manipulating folks.
She murdered a fellow “Other” on the beach which is strictly forbidden, requiring the Sheriff and a trial conviction. But Ben made a deal with Jack, and over-ruled, then casually ordered Juliet be branded on her lower back. See below.
Also, Juliet seemed really fearful of Smokey from previous experience, easily remembering the fence code after a panic run. My guess is that Ben is controlling Juliet through his limited access to Dharma technology that senses then acts on Juliet’s worse fears, forcing her to manipulate folks as Ben wishes. Smokey, a la Dharma technology, independently senses her evil cognitions, particularly her recent murder. Her brand may simply be an alert not to implant any Dharma technology that would enhance the Island’s sensing capability, e.g., Smokey or much worse.
Make any sense to anyone? RichPundit
Comment by RichPundit — April 5, 2007 @ 9:42 am
i think kate and juliet were handcuffed together because they both are not “good people”. they were put outside of the barrier, for smokey to get them, while jack and sayid were left inside the camp and safe.
Comment by dave — April 5, 2007 @ 9:45 am
So, you have this village with houses… I’m assuming some sort of power/plumbing, etc. You also have a sonic fence around it to keep smokey out. Why exactly are they going back? Why not bring the losties to the Others’ camp?
Comment by rick — April 5, 2007 @ 9:46 am
“because they left her behind too”..
That’s what Jack said and that’s what the Others knew he would say. They knew that if everyone left but her the 815ers would take her under thier wing. Elaborate setup!
First off….Doc is exactly right, she was not going back until Kate forced her
Second….did you notice when Kate and Jack woke up from the gas they were extremely groggy and it took a second for them to get up. Juliet popped right up and grabbed Kates wrist. She was never gassed.
Third….this chick is freakishly strong like Ethan and also has some pretty good moves. You can’t trust that.
Comment by thefallguy1 — April 5, 2007 @ 9:54 am
While I dont trust Juliet as far as I could throw her (I probably couldnt throw her at all since apparently she can fight like a caged tiger), I cant shake the feeling that her whole deal is just a diversion. I think it’s going to be JACK who turns out to be on some kooky Other shit, hence this twist we have heard so much about.
Ben could have justified banishing her to the rest of his squad, since we know that she’s killed one of them, and there’s that whole thing with the video and the secret messages she was trying to pass to Jack.
What if Jack is Jacob, but he just doesnt know it?
Comment by Jimmy Zer0 — April 5, 2007 @ 9:55 am
and of course, this whole thing could be a huge meta-setup, orchestrated by ben and juliet long before jack kate and sawyer were taken, and enacted flawlessly?
She definitely wasnt groggy from the gas, although that could just be a result of the others’ super-soldier serum or whatever.
Comment by Jimmy Zer0 — April 5, 2007 @ 9:58 am
Rick! Exactly my wondering…maybe it’ll be brought up shortly, or something. It was the first comment my hubby made as they were leaving the little village. Little Aaron would even get a swingset.
Comment by Vanessa — April 5, 2007 @ 10:00 am
I’m not sure where to post this so i’ll do it here.
I’m pretty sure that Locke is this Jacob character now. Why else would the Others just invite him into the club. Also, remember when Ben told Locke back in the hatch that he was on his way to get him when he was caught in the net. Maybe he was telling the truth. Not to mention the fact that I have a hard time believing that the Others would just welcome him to the group even though he blew up their sub unless they thought he was extremely significant. Locke now has access to all the great Others secrets and benefits including late night backrubs from Tom.
Comment by thefallguy1 — April 5, 2007 @ 10:02 am
Greetings,
Happy watching.
Just a few thoughts on the Juliet/Kate cuffing. Obviously she was not cuffed to Kate when Kate passed out. If Juliet had been gased, the others would have had to drag Kate and Juliet to the same spot then cuff them together - or drag them at once since they all have super-human strength. Juliet does tell us she was gased too, so then she is suggesting the preceeding. But since we don’t trust Juliet, are we suggesting that Juliet drug Kate into the woods and hand-cuffed herself to Kate and accept her lame excuse? This also seems unlikely. The real hint about the gasing comes from the experience with the security fence. How did Juliet know they shut the fence off? How was she so sure that she just ran right to it unless she knew the intentions of the Others. It was only because Smokey scared the crap out of her that she half-revealed her secret. Can we trust her? I don’t think so. But does she really have affection for Jack, you bet ya! Was the fight just about the writers wanting to thrill viewers with an old fashioned cat-fight - certainly (and when they both fell in the mud, I swore to stop watching lost if they began to wrestle). I guess we can just wait and see. But while Syed is very observant and good at reading people, he did torture Sawyer for medication Sawyer didn’t even have. Just some thoughts
Comment by Annu — April 5, 2007 @ 10:13 am
I think Ben wants Locke because he sees the bond he has with the island and fears it, so he’s trying to get his hooks in Locke before Locke can figure out whats going down and usurp Ben. Think about it, what if Ben’s connection to the island is the main reason his crew follows him? Then all of a sudden, this ride or die m-f Locke shows up, no longer crippled, obviously in communion of a sort with the mystical aspects of the island…moreso than Ben himself, who was born there? I think Ben was just a thronewarmer for Locke and he knows it.
Comment by Jimmy Zer0 — April 5, 2007 @ 10:16 am
i think juliet and jack are both moles, they both have orders from ben and he has something planned with the 815ers that requires them to re-infiltrate. thats what i think the big twist in the next jack flashback will be, that he is truly an other now and is setting all the survivors up. it could be an on island flashback showing what happened to turn jack, seeing as though i dont think theres enough material in jacks past before the island to really warrant all the hype they are giving this flashback episode
Comment by joel — April 5, 2007 @ 10:25 am
I’m really feeling the few comments above mine…and I have a strong urge to share with the world…Sayid makes me all warm and fuzzy inside (seriously).
Comment by Vanessa — April 5, 2007 @ 10:38 am
Something is really fishy here. Think about this for a second, Locke kills Pachy (who was an Other) and Ben let him become one of them, but when Juliet kills a fellow (Other) she gets branded and banished. This is a set up, she can not be trusted. Don
Comment by JBet — April 5, 2007 @ 10:56 am
I think the others are using her to find more out about them and where they are living etc (to infiltrate them, like ethan/goodwin)
Thats y she had the key etc, it would all make sence, she cane scape if she has to
Luke
Comment by Luke — April 5, 2007 @ 11:24 am
Remember, Ben manipulates people to make them do what he wants, but still think it was their idea (Locke blowing up the sub). So when Jack makes a deal to save Juliet, I think that was Ben’s plan to get them closer to each other all along. He thinks she’s loyal now, but Juliet going back to live with the Losties has been Ben’s plan for a long time. Whether she is a willing participant in this plan, I haven’t decided, but she is clearly supposed to be there.
Comment by AC — April 5, 2007 @ 11:36 am
I DEFINITELY don’t trust her. And here’s why…
Sayid doesn’t trust her. I totally believe that Sayid has good instincts and if he is skeptical then so am I. Espescially since Jack, who has already demonstrated that he thinks with his heart, not his head, was so eager to take her along.
Also, The Others are tricky. This could be a trick cuz they left her with a key to the handcuffs and a knife. If they were really abandoning her, why’d they do that? So she could kill Kate and unlock herself from her?
Comment by AnotherOther — April 5, 2007 @ 12:02 pm
Juliette absolutely wanted to go back to the village. She didn’t specifically say she didn’t want to go back, she just questions Kate’s motivations for wanting to go back.
Juliette’s intention was to sow seeds of doubt between Kate and Jack, by telling Kate that Jack saw her and Sawyer, and that she broke his heart, while allowing Kate to take her back . The back-story also shows us that Kate breaks her mother’s heart was, and she receives no forgiveness from her mother. It’s likely that Juliette knows about Kate’s past.
Juliette wants to break the bond between Kate and Jack, so that she can keep close to Jack, so that he will vouch for her, and will unwittingly help her infiltrate the Losties camp, and so that she can continue to manipulate Jack.
Which means she was not gassed, she was likely part of the crew that carried Kate to the jungle (hence Juliette knowing exactly where the access panel was - she passed it on the way out of the village) and was willingly cuffed to Kate. She was not left behind at all.
She can’t be trusted.
Comment by Red Robot — April 5, 2007 @ 12:58 pm
i think juliet is going to kill charlie. i think she’s making her way back to the beach to kill him. i think her and ethan were married and now that he’s gone all she wants to do is kill charlie and get off the island.
Charlie has a flashback the second to last this season. seems like an unlikely choice considering how much screen time he’s had this season and how little he’s contributed overall. MARK MY WORDS. he’s dead that episode by Juliet’s hand.
Comment by peter — April 5, 2007 @ 1:57 pm
Ever consider the simplest explanation:
Juliette wanted to go home. She had no longer had interest in being with the Others. They ditch her because they can’t trust her anymore.
Also, you nerds have to remember this is a fictional story on television which means the story requires quick and simple explanations or you’re stuck extending a story why beyond the time limitations. You have to trust certain assumptions or implications rather than speculate nonsense.
You don’t know if she can be trusted not because she still might be one of Them, but because you don’t know her current motivations now that she’s been kicked out of her old group.
Comment by D — April 5, 2007 @ 2:01 pm
I like what peter has to say a couple posts above me. Even if its not true, it makes a lot of sense.
This doesnt pertain to petes point, but notice that she knew where sayid and jack were left after they were gassed.
Comment by Jimmy Zer0 — April 5, 2007 @ 2:18 pm
Before she was gassed, Juliette was free to move around the camp. She obviously knew where Jack was housed and where Kate was imprisoned, so one could reasonably assume she knew where Sayid was locked up.
Comment by D — April 5, 2007 @ 2:45 pm
Who’s saying that Juliet was even sure that Jack/Sayid/anybody was left at the barracks?
Comment by mrwho — April 5, 2007 @ 3:44 pm
Right. Lots of confusion. Not offering answers, but heres how it plays out in my mind.
Juliette knew many things; Where the others (jack, sayid) were being kept, she also clearly knew that they had been left behind. She also knew that the fence was disarmed. Therefore, it is likely she was conscious throughout the gassing, because she must have been awake to see the fence disarmed to be so confident about it. Whether that was because she was involved in the orchestration or was simply being kept awake by the others is unclear. But she clearly really wants to be accepted into the losties, to what end i have no idea.
there is a long history of manipulation with the others, so i think that the argument that she didnt want to go back to the houses for jack is likely to be wrong. She knew from past experience that kate would make them go back, so could make it seem like she didnt want to. Maybe.
It has most definately been set up by the writers/producers to give the impression that juliette hates ben, from the book club to the video/jack thing. this does tie in with the flashback that she was recruited under false pretenses then not allowed to leave. I think anything ben says to locke should be taken as dubious (people are need to feel they are free to leave whenever)
As for where the others have gone, back to the other island again? or somewhere new…only time will tell…
Comment by Will — April 5, 2007 @ 4:22 pm
Let’s see what I can cover.
1) Rick, I think it eventually will come to happen that the losties take over the others now abandoned camp. I do believe the author of this site presumed weeks ago that we would see the survivors leave the beach by the end of the season anyway.
Only reason not to do it? There would be no easier way to expose yourself to the others. You’re in their house and who knows how far those cameras go?
2) As far as trusting Juliet (or even Jack as mentioned above), I can only say 4 words. “Snake in the Mailbox”.
Flip-side: What is Locke is laying low to shock the others?
3) Lastly, with the powers vested in me, I decree that ANYONE who says “You heard it here first” shall be stoned to death, and I’m not talking weed. Seriously, it’s obnoxious and insufferable, knock it off.
Comment by evangelical poet — April 5, 2007 @ 8:26 pm
I think Juliet was sent to the island camp by Ben to be a spy… no way in hell would the others leave behind one of their own, especially since she apparently has “so much information”. Also, why wouldn’t Ben just allow Jack and Juliet to leave on the sub if he was just going to pack up and leave the next day?
Obviously he left behind Jack so that Juliet would be accepted into the losties camp.
Remember Ben’s warning to Jack, “Whatever you think, whatever she may get you to believe… she is still one of us.”
I also agree with “anotherother”… I trust Sayid’s judgement about people.
I think if Ben were to threaten Jack’s life, Juliet would cooperate.
Comment by Sara — April 5, 2007 @ 10:25 pm
I don’t trust Juliet at all. She claimed not to know anything at all about Smoky, then admitted (under duress from, ironically, Smoky), that she knew a bit. She had the key to the handcuffs. Why did she have that key, and why did she wait until she was under duress via Smoky to make use of it?
She knew she had the key, she only used it when she felt she had to. I don’t trust Juliet any farther than I can throw Hurley.
Comment by lwensign — April 5, 2007 @ 10:56 pm
I’ll half-raise my hand, DocArtz. I personally don’t trust her, but then I don’t distrust her. To be honest, I place her with Captain Jack Sparrow, a person who is on their own side. I don’t know what she’s doing, but what the heck, it adds to the tension
Comment by sk8rpro — April 6, 2007 @ 2:43 am
I’m not sure if Juliet wanted to go back to the barracks or not but the exact line was “What? They did this to us, why would we go back?”
Granted she may have only been doing this to get on Kates good side.
Comment by thefallguy1 — April 6, 2007 @ 6:38 am
Here’s a theory. The whole thing of Julie and Kate being handcuffed together was an idea of Juliet and Jack! Think about it, Juliet knew exactly what to say to Kate regarding Jack and his feelings. Also when they returned back to the village did anyone else notice the 2 gas canisters in Jack’s room? Finally when they came outside Juliet already had bags ready for them to leave, kind of like she already knew what was going to happen.
Comment by Delirium — April 6, 2007 @ 6:39 am
Delirium: I like your style. Good point.
Comment by thefallguy1 — April 6, 2007 @ 6:55 am
Just my 2 cents on (evangelical poet)last post 4 post’s above.
3) Lastly, with the powers vested in me,( Who are you GOD? ) I decree that ANYONE who says “You heard it here first” shall be stoned to death, and I’m not talking weed. Seriously, it’s obnoxious and insufferable, knock it off.
For someone who supports a charity ( TabsForLife
Comment by JBet — April 6, 2007 @ 7:39 am
Getting back on track,
Am I the only one who is certain that Locke is NOT now an “Other” ? It seems like people are giving up pretty quickly on the one character that has shown more wisdom and insight than any other since the beginning. Locke has had a serious grudge against the “Others” and Ben since he was duped by him in the hatch, and he has never been one to simply change his views on a situation. Isn’t it not only plausible but even, likely, that after Ben’s display in producing Locke’s father he now understands the extent of thier power and feels that the only option he has now is to play along, while at the same time learning more about what is happening in this place that facinates him, the island?
The biggest indication of this to me, is the way that he talks to Kate. We already know that they are monitering that room from Tom’s not so subtle words to Jack. These are the reasons why:
1. He already knew that Kate was the one who came with the Marshall. He’d have to be pretty stupid to think that she didn’t do something awful to be in the handcuffed custody of a US Marshall on an international flight, but yet he never passed judgement on her since Season 1 when he found out from Hurley’s slip of the tongue.
2. Considering how he handled Charlie’s situation of being a drug addict, do you really think that he would speak that way? “I was pulling for you but then they told me what you did? You’re a bad person?” I mean..she killed an abusive raging man who was brutalizing her mother. He just pushed Patchy through a sonic barrier that makes blood come out of your ears.
Considering the floating questions about why Locke was wet and whether or not the submarine was actually destroyed I would think that people would be more suspicious of Locke suddenly turning on his friends when the entire premise of his character deals with his history of coping with disloyalty and abandonment.
Locke is a good guy and he always will be. He’s the only one asking the right questions and he’s found his “in” to figure out what the hell is going on.
Also…Locke is Jacob? That’s nonsensical to me. Whoever thinks this needs to re-watch any episode with Locke in it and look for scenes where he is alone and has no need to pretend. Does that look like someone who already has answers?
Sorry for the lengthly post….one more note of interest…in addition to the father issues we keep running into, there seems to be a killer trend developing. More and more people have taken a life or been the cause of a life being taken as the episodes develop. You could take it as “life on the island” but what about Sawyer and Kate’s game of “I Never” and it leading up to that question. Even unlikely people such as Sun are now responsible for death. It would be interesting to see a list compiled. I’ll work on it and post it later. Thanks for indulging me.
Comment by Harbringer17 — April 6, 2007 @ 8:23 am
In reference to the above list of people who have now been responsible for deaths:
Jack: He finished the marshall off after Sawyer’s gunshot missed his heart. (This was benevolent not malicious however so it may not count)
Kate: Burned her Step Father alive, was also responsible for Tom’s death while running from police.
Sawyer: Shot Frank “Sawyer” in Sydney and than tried to kill the Marshall but missed.
Locke: Pushed Patchy through the Sonic Fence.
Sayid: Betrayed his friend who then shot himself in the face. Probobly other situations from the war.
Hurley: This is reaching but - Used the numbers for the lottery and has sense been “responsible” for countless deaths due to his “curse”
Jin: I heard a rumor that the writers authenticted Sun’s english teaching lover’s (I forget his name)suicide. But from what I remember about the episode, they made it look as if Jin had thrown him out of the window. I could be wrong on this one though.
Sun: She shot one of the others and killed her on the boat.
Michael: Shot Ana-Lucia and Libby.
Ana-Lucia: Shot the man who almost killed her.
Clair: Was “responsible” for her mother’s death in the car accident? - Another reach
Nikki & Paulo: Killed the wealthy movie producer for his diamonds.
Charlie: Shot Ethan.
Shannon: Tried to shoot Locke but was interrupted by Sayid.
Desmond: Killed Kelvin right? (I’m having a brain fart here but that’s how Im remembering it at the moment, when he followed him to his boat)
Anyhow…if anyone wants to make corrections or comments it would be appreciated…it does seem to be a developing trend.
Comment by Harbringer17 — April 6, 2007 @ 8:39 am
* Christian Shephard dies of a heart attack in Sydney. (”White Rabbit”)
* Sayid kills Omar. (”Solitary”)
* Christian Shephard lets a pregnant patient die because he’s been drinking. (”All The Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues”)
* Susan Lloyd died of a blood disease. (”Special”)
* Sawyer’s father kills his mother and then shoots himself in a murder-suicide. (”Outlaws”)
* Sawyer kills Frank Duckett, thinking he’s the real Sawyer. (”Outlaws”)
* Tito Reyes dies of a heart attack. (”Numbers”)
* Sam Toomey committed suicide. (”Numbers”)
* Essam committed suicide. (”The Greater Good”)
* Tom Brennan is shot in the car Kate is using as a getaway vehicle. (”Born to Run”)
* Adam Rutherford dies. (”Abandoned”)
* Ana Lucia shot and killed Jason Elder in retribution, for previously shooting her and killing her unborn child. (”Collision”)
* Kate kills Wayne. (”What Kate Did”)
* Mr. Eko kills a man to keep his brother from having to. (”The 23rd Psalm”)
* Eko kills two Moroccan drug dealers to steal their drugs. (”The 23rd Psalm”)
* Yemi dies in the Army attack on Eko’s gang (which also resulted in the deaths of Goldie and Olu). (”The 23rd Psalm”)
* Jack fails to save Angelo Busoni. (”The Hunting Party”)
* Libby says that her husband David died after an illness. (”Live Together, Die Alone”)
* Jae Lee commits suicide. (”The Glass Ballerina”)
* Eko kills Emeka and his thugs with a machete, in Yemi’s church. (”The Cost of Living”)
* Edmund is hit by a bus and killed. (”Not in Portland”)
* The man wearing red shoes is killed by scaffolding. Ms. Hawking said that she had tried to save his life several times previously, but that the universe had “course corrected”, having him die another way. (”Flashes Before Your Eyes”)
* Christian describes Claire’s mother as “alive but not living” and recommends her euthanasia. (”Par Avion”)
* Peter Talbot is killed under mysterious circumstances. (”The Man from Tallahassee”)
* Howard L. Zukerman is poisoned by Nikki and Paulo. (”Expos�”)
Comment by Anon — April 6, 2007 @ 9:22 am
Getting back off track, (AND AS A WARNING TO MOST, FEEL FREE TO SKIP DOWN TO THE PART THAT SAYS “IN SHORT” TO AVOID THE LENGTH OF THIS MOSTLY NON-LOST RELATED POST)
JBET: First off I had to read back through and establish why you were so cranky and I found that you were the (latest of a million) person who made the “You heard it here first” comment, so now I understand. I’ll try to break this down as best i can, with more bullet points:
1) If this genuinely offended you, then I genuinly apologise. 100%. Now then, all seriousness stops here for a moment, just so you know.
2) That being said… COME ON! Let’s take a look at my comment shall we?
A) “By the powers vested in me”. There have clearly been ZERO powers vested in me as I doubt many country rulers are killing (oh I said killing!) time on LOST message board. Hm… this smells a bit like a joke.
B) “… I decree…” Who decrees anything? Sounds a bit like a joke here too hm?
C) “…shall be stoned to death…” Trying to remember when this way of killing was last used or even considered in any way threatening in The United States. It’s the equivalent of threatening someone’s life with a spit wad and a straw. Even on our beloved primitive island this is not a threat. Looks like this could all just be a joke.
D) “… and I’m not talking weed.” Oh my God, I wrapped it up with an illegal drug reference! It smells, sounds, and looks like a joke. CLEARLY this IS a joke!
(For the record, back to me being semi-serious now for those {coughcough} who can’t tell.)
You’re right JBET “this a Lost Blog for people to speak openly ABOUT LOST.” And I have that right to speak openly too. Don’t defend your rights and shoot down the very same right on my account. Above and beyond that, LOST is a show with not only a far bit of humor, but a decent ammount of gallows humor at that. If you can’t stand a bit of teasing, than I apologise (again), but it shocks me that you could be that uptight and still a fan of this show. A joke is a joke, even if it is at your expense. One last apology just incase those last two didn’t get through the random flames of this post: I am sorry if the thought of being stoned to death hurt your feelings.
I apologise to all for the semi-flame post, and I also apologise for the random whoring I am about to do below in order to correct and respond to the other piece of JBET’s post.
“”From someone who supports a charity”
“He’s a 23 year old who founded and runs a charity which has thus far donated thousands of dollars to pay for the medical bills of strangers… but he teased me so he’s a big meany!” Really now… I must be a horrible person, you’re right. Thank you for attacking my character.
I don’t really support it as much as I founded, own, operate, and run it. I plugged the page as my web-page in this blog because any visit to the site raises awareness of a serious problem and helps to bring attention to the site. Other than that I recognise that it has no connection to LOST, and no connection to my interest in LOST, so I’m not sure why you associate the two so highly.
“How can someone who claims they have such a good heart be so mean?” I never claimed to have such a good heart. If you read the page and think “this person has a good heart” than that is your own doing, but don’t put words in my mouth. I’ll take the compliment though. Thank you.
On a lost, er, last note, the address to send donations to (tabs or otherwise) IS listed on the site, though I recognise you were not being chivalrous; it was just your attempt at biting sarcasim. Might I reccomend you leave that to people with a sense of humor?
IN SHORT:
This is a place where ideas, thoughts, theories, and guesses are thrown out into the public eye/forum for thoughts, responses, praise, scrutinization, and the like. Many people respond (often times under the cover of anonymity) with MUCH more harsh critique than a hollow, empty tease about stoning someone to death. While this is NOT my page so I would NEVER presume myself having the power to say “If you can’t take a joke don’t come/write here”, I do suggest that people here be willing to take any response that comes there way (Barring thos with excessive hatred and rudeness as there is obviously no need or reason for it). I have lobbed dozens of ideas on this site, some of which stuck, other of which were gunned down with military precision and L.A.P.D. brutality. It happens, no harm done and no offense taken. All I can reccommend to posters here, and other places on the WORLD WIDE web, is be prepared for the responses of others.
Again, not a demand, just a suggestion. Thank you.
~ Morgan Mosier
Evangelical Poet
Comment by evangelical poet — April 6, 2007 @ 9:54 am
I think the whole thing was a test of Kate, so Juliet suggesting not to go back was part of the test. In some ways, it’s like the flashback - she had to GO BACK to find out why someone ABANDONED HER. Same thing with this episode. She wanted to go back, with the help of a female friend, to find out why Jack had left her. Perhaps it a test to see if she can love someone even if they don’t love her…
Comment by Greg — April 6, 2007 @ 10:50 am
I trust Juliet because I WANT to trust her. Doe I know that she’s withholding info, or being deceptive? Yes, but I also think she’s in a difficult place.
The obvious answer IS that she wasn’t left behind or gassed, that she stayed behind to keep an eye on what’s going on, and that Jack would support her.
But this is a show of twists, so I’m not expecting the obvious.. and I would LIKE to see her be Good.. then again.. our the 815 survivors good? Do we know?
Comment by Tom — April 6, 2007 @ 11:48 am
If this is a test for Kate (which is highly possible), then I see two possibilities here (they could be combined). The first is that once Kate overcomes the hatred in her heart, she will be considered a “good person.” She will then be ready for enlightenment. The second is that perhaps her love for Jack is key to the end game, and the others know this. Maybe it is her and Jack that are our Adam & Eve…
Comment by cap10tripps — April 6, 2007 @ 3:49 pm
Well according to SpoilerFix…..Juliet has been banished
04/06 - Lost Spoilers offers us a summary of the spoilers Cuse and Lindelof revealed in the latest podcast: Juliet probably knows more about the monster; they indicate that Juliet has been banished, and it probably was personal from Ben; Rousseau will get a flashback at some point. Source: Lost Podcasts
Comment by thirdflr — April 9, 2007 @ 10:42 am
Hi my first post, so take it easy with me.
Im thinking all the Losties are in a Matrix style reality, they are really in a DHAMA Lab somewhere hooked up to tubes and there minds are linked to each other in a fabric formed by both there own imagination and the direction of the Dhama implants (Others).
“Smokie” is actually the ‘real’ world interacting with the subjects, and scanning there thoughts.
The subject of the testing involves menatlly unstable people who are going through a series of tests to see if under different circumstanses, would repeat there actions.
Basicly they all have responsibility problems ie:
Jack- with betrayal
Kate- with commitment
Saywer- with responsibility for his actions
Charlie- Drugs
Echo- death of his brother
Locke- his father
Clair- her Family
Hurley- Numbers
Sayid- Trust
The only way out of this reality, is to confront and overcome this fear, they then will be removed from this program, without letting the Losties aware of it ie:
Old mate doing anything he had to do, to get his boy back.
Charlie giving up the drugs, he is healed and will be killed off.
Echo confronting his brother, and achieving salvation.
But Desmond came out of the test by himself, and was then put back under, but something happened to him on the outside that alerted the watchers in the snow, to the whereabouts of the testing facilty. He now cannot fathom the so called reality of the island, and is getting not flashbacks, but images of the programs being installed.
Locke also has, i think started to understand what he needs to do to get out, and has relised the ‘Others’ are cheating by pushing them into situations, so they are leaving them to fend for themselves with just one watcher.
Juliet needs to get closer to the Losties, and monitor there well being, and is using Jack, and Kate to get there.
She is the key, for Kate, Sayid, and Jack.
Comment by shano — April 9, 2007 @ 8:34 pm
julliete who is there with the losties is infact another one of bens plans to get something or sum1 out from there..
i think jul can / CANNOT BE TRUSTED, firstly she’ obviously has developed feelings towards jack, so we obvoiusly dnt no if those feelings r real, or r they just 1 of bens plans ?
ben planned the whole thing!!!
1) he left a guess mask 4 julie
2) left the key 4 the cuffs
3) planted sum thing in claire
4) medical supplies, avail, 4 juli, so she can treatclaire and then ,look like a good1
Lockes gonaa b the next leader of the others, that is y ben took him along!!!! wait and c!!
who the fly….. is Jacob????
Comment by j0ey — April 14, 2007 @ 10:55 am