Expose and Lost Season Four Parallels
The thought occurred to me tonight. Maybe there is a bit of foreshadowing tucked away in this Expose’ season four thing-a-ma-jig. Why? Well the villain is named ‘The Cobra’, a guy who seemed to be good guy (sort of the Charlie to these strippers, I guess), but turned out to be the arch enemy of the shows good guys. Is a similar reveal coming as the setup for season four? Why do I say this? Because remember, the code name for this years end of season twist is "The snake in the mail box".
Now lots of interesting things to over analyze there. First there is the mention of a box. The ’snake’ is of course what got me motivated in the direction of Expose holding hints for season four, cleverly disguised as a cheesy crime drama.
I thought the same thing. The Cobra = The Snake a character we think we know turns out to be something totally different (which is pretty much every Lost episode but still). The question is what character have we met that could be above Ben on the Others Heirarchy and be Jacob, their #1 guy.
Comment by Vahan Solar — March 29, 2007 @ 8:43 pm
If this is so, it’ll either be a crazy unlikely character that everyone will bitch about for it being too big of a stretch, or it’ll be somebody so incredibly likely that everybody will bitch that they saw it coming. I hope Jacob is an all-new character.
Comment by Richard Lennox — March 29, 2007 @ 9:08 pm
Do you really think they are dead? (although I would like them to be) Locke did tell Paulo that things on this island don’t stay buried. Hmm.. I don’t see them getting out, but could Locke have been foreshadowing a bit? Nikki, awakes, imagines herself “getting out of the box.” Poof… the dog digs them up.
Please let them stay dead.
Comment by anon — March 29, 2007 @ 9:44 pm
I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if all this “Cobra” stuff is just the writer’s way of foreshadowing Locke’s ascension to “Fucking Godlike Awesomeness” as he finds out the truth about what the island wants from him and ruthlessly takes over the others and tries to completely seal the island off from the outside, or some other type of craziness.
Comment by Jimmy Zer0 — March 29, 2007 @ 9:48 pm
I think there’s definitely more to this episode than initially meets the eye. It’s not just filler. I think it’s a kind of joke on the part of the writers that they’ve convinced so many that it is a useless filler episode, or solely an apology for Nikki/Paolo.
Anyway, time will tell!
Comment by Lance — March 29, 2007 @ 10:34 pm
http://i10.tinypic.com/2eekmcg.jpg
Def the same person.
Comment by The Cobra — March 30, 2007 @ 12:06 am
hmm… pretty interesting Easter egg there, Cobra!
I’m expecting Billy Dee Williams to show up as Jacob in the future! But it’ll be strange to see that a cheesy B-movie actor and the sinister, ubiquitous, presently invisible Uber-leader of the Others is one and the same. I keed!
Comment by Huygens — March 30, 2007 @ 3:38 am
Hey! B movie? You’re talking about Lando! Watch it!
Yes, it could be a lead in, but I feel that the whole episode damages some of the mythology for me. The whole Pearl bit seemed forced. Nikki and Paulo never told anyone about the plane? A possible radio? Never explored the hatch? Ben and Juliet visit the pearl to obvserve Jack, when they have pages of info on him.. couldn’t they get a photo? They even make sure that they mention that they need to cover the hatch with the plane. They seem to have made this up after the fact.
I don’t know about you guys, but all of this kind of takes the magic out of the whole locke/plane vision, the Eko/Yemi saga, the Blast Door/Locke/? mythology, and even Eko’s Yemi Dreams.
I sure hope that this epsisode DOES have clues..and has added something valuable to the mythology that could not have been added without Nikki and Paulo. Their addition seems to have been useless.
Comment by Tom — March 30, 2007 @ 4:38 am
I think the whole “Nothing stays buried on this island”, the spiders that paralyze you, and the Cobra reveal are the writers way of foreshadowing.
I like the Jimmy Zer0’s idea bout Locke. I can see him end up being a cult leader.
Right now unless Bernard is the evil leader, I’m stumped.
What would be awesome is if it is Desmond, and we just saw a flashback of what he told everyone his back story was…
Honestly, do we really know the flashbacks happen exactly that way, or are they just biased views of the past?
Comment by Blackrockbob — March 30, 2007 @ 4:54 am
When is Jacob first mentioned? And by who?
Comment by Chris — March 30, 2007 @ 5:52 am
They are building John Locke to be the Jacob of the others. It is a role that others are preparing him for. And, what is even more of a mind-blower is that Ben is the son of Locke.
Comment by TabulaRasa — March 30, 2007 @ 5:55 am
Another thing that might be hidden in the episode…
At the beginning when Nikki finished her death scene, the director told her they could write her in the next season, she could come back to life somehow. Maybe this is a teaser for Nikki & Paulo (or someone else) coming “back to life” somehow.
Comment by AnotherOther — March 30, 2007 @ 6:30 am
I think the reason that the writers didn’t have Nikki and Paulo tell anyone else about the hatch and the plane was to show the kind of self-centered crooks that they were.
Comment by thefallguy1 — March 30, 2007 @ 6:47 am
one of the influences for the writers is the watchmen, in the book the bad guy turns out to be one of the good guys who does the whole thing for world peace. It has to be someone we think is above it all like Jack, maybe the others don’t even know who jacob really looks like and only know he inhabited one of the bodies of the survivors.
Comment by redshirt3 — March 30, 2007 @ 7:27 am
Paulo did not tell everyone about the Pearl makes he put the diamonds there. That is why he went with Locke and the crew to the Pearl Station, so no one would found them.
Although not my favorite Lost episode, nor my favorite characters, hat
Comment by Locke's Son — March 30, 2007 @ 7:33 am
Paulo did not tell everyone about the Pearl *because he put the diamonds there. That is why he went with Locke and the crew to the Pearl Station, so no one would found them.
Although not my favorite Lost episode, nor my favorite characters, hat
Comment by Locke's Retarded Son — March 30, 2007 @ 7:34 am
It’s Jack.
“He walks among us but is not one of us.”
You read it here first.
Comment by Dan the Man — March 30, 2007 @ 8:16 am
I agree that Locke will turn out to be Jacob, but in a Manchurian candidate way.
Also notice how the island heals some “good” people — Locke and Rose– but not “bad” people–Henry and Sawyer (i.e. his bad eyesight).
Finally, no one else has mentioned that just before the spiders attacked, we heard the “smoke monster” precursor noise. Does that mean that spiders were a manifestation of the smoke monster, like Yemi was?
Comment by dombett — March 30, 2007 @ 8:24 am
I think the smoke monster was around but I think it was the pheromones of the female spider that Palo killed that attracted the other spiders like Artz said earlier in the episodes.
Comment by Chris — March 30, 2007 @ 8:44 am
Wow! The code name for the season twist is “The Snake in the Mailbox?”
This blows me away. Several scenes during the season so far have suggested to me that the Others are some sort of religious cult.
Cults are a continuing interest of mine. The first actual legal case that I handled (I am a lawyer) involved a reporter suing a religious cult over their violent practices toward critics and ex-members.
The most famous tactic used by the cult, which was widely publicized in the media at the time-putting a snake in an ex-member’s mailbox!
Interestingly, this cult had started with the best of intentions-a drug rehab program-and evolved into something much darker.
So, I think your conclusions are right on the money!
Comment by Zeke — March 30, 2007 @ 9:30 am
I total agree with Jack being Jacob.
“He walks amoung us but isn’t one of us”
What else could that mean???
I love it.
Comment by Billy_D_is_Hanso — March 30, 2007 @ 10:41 am
I’ve felt Jack was Jacob for some time. Other than the “he walks among us but is not one of us” lines, we know that the biblical Jacob was a shephard. The name Jack (could be a derivative of Jacob) Shephard is a big clue in my opinion.
Also, this whole TV tie in has me feeling that part one of my big theory may be further validated. I believe that DHARMA’s big reason for being there is to somehow change the Valenzetti equation and avoid the catastrophe to come. To do this they are trying to influence our evolution through morphic resonance. Morphic resonance is an alternate explanation of evolution that says we are interconnected through energy/frequencies, and everything arouned us influences our evolution. I think DHARMA is/was using the ocean cable to tap into our homes and are trying to expand our minds through the ever-influencing television. If they are successful, they believe we can change the equation…
Comment by cap10tripps — March 30, 2007 @ 11:21 am
This has been on my mind for awhile….in EW’s cover store about lost before the start of the spring season, this was said by Damon
”I feel like we’re playing a chess game,” analogizes Lindelof, ”and in the first six moves, we’ve lost our queen and two bishops, and the audience is saying ‘They are the worst chess players in the world!’ What they don’t realize is that we’re nine moves away from checkmating you. If we lose, we lose. But that’s the play, and we’re standing by it.”
…Now, if you take him literally, the “9″ moves away from checkmating you would mean that in episode 15 there is going to be a huge reveal. I actually think next week episode is going to be big. Its almost like everyones guard is down right now and not expecting much from the next episode. However, you heard it hear first….something big is going down.
Comment by Nate — March 30, 2007 @ 12:19 pm
WHAT IF YO WIKI`ED EVERYTHING YOU HEARD ON LOST?
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Comment by BROTHA FROM ANOTHER OTHER — March 30, 2007 @ 12:36 pm
My Image of the cobra = jacob was not to say it will lando at all.
Just the idea, of the cobra. Now in the show, and as hurley said we won’t meet the cobra until the next season. So I’ve decided, we HAVE met the cobra. Yet we do not know who he is as of yet.
Here is a possible list of suspects.
Locke: I sure hope not. I’m not big on him. I feel he would be too obvious and it just doesnt make enough sense. Unless Jacob is returning in a new life, being re-born in locke (possibly a foreshadowing of when his mother said he was born without a father haha) I wont be happy with him being the leader. Unless he was once and was returned to the main land and had his memory erased.
Anotherthing is I’m pretty sure locke is going to lose the great connection he has with the island and prove he is too weak by having sawyer kill cooper since that would be cheating as ben has.
Jack: Possible, though it doesn’t make enough sense to me as of why he would be.
Desmond: Yes.. it could be. I mean, he seems like a possible suspect, he was able to turn the hatch key, and somone higer up knew he would and had to do this. He got to go back in time and can see flashes of the future. lets not forget the whole (the matrix style you are the one) sort oif ominous feeling he has been given.
Penny’s Father: Very possibly, he seems very inter connected to this all. He also has a similar job to what the leader in expose had. A very basil like character.
Marvin Candle: Why not, another very basil liek character, he also knows about the hostils and the dharma initiative. It is possible ben is the child of the degroots and that other faction started around then. So marvin canle could be the mysterious leader who is going to make his return.
Tom: Why not, he could be playing the fool. He seems somewhat suspicous and at the same time as if he is keeping a watchful eye on thigns. He works closely with ben and has seen all of his mistakes thus far. Which explains his problems and why ben has yet to improve. It also gives us a character who is involved with the others, and would shock the hell out of many of us.
Jack’s father: This one is a little long winded. Though it gives meaning to multiple things. First it gives meaning to the fact that the coffin was empty, beside the smoke monster theory. it could also be how the plane was taken down and or off course for so long.
If jack’s father used one of those spiders to fake his death, so that not even jack could tell he was alive. He could have used the out side connections to fake everything else and put him on the plane and or in a coffin which he could escape from.
So now we have the whole reason as to why they would come up with the entire fake spider story. The reasoning behind the cobra, how the plane was destoryed and why his coffin was empty. Finally to top itoff. Why better a reason to want the baby of claires then if itwas the grand child of jacob himself.
Also no one should think for a second that jack’s father couldn’t hide this considering jack has no idea he has a sister.
These are pretty much the only acceptable options I can fore see, unless of course jacob is just a name and it is really a woman although he has been reffered to as ‘him’. So unless we have yet to meet jacob, these are the best ways it can play out.
Comment by The Cobra — March 30, 2007 @ 1:33 pm
I remember reading that “Him” (now known to be Jacob) was seen in season 1 and winked at some point. Does anyone else remember reading this? I cannot recall where I read it, if it was from TPTB’s mouth, or if it was some wild rumor that has had me duped all this time.
Please comment if you are someone who’s heard/read this.
Comment by tomfishstory — March 30, 2007 @ 3:52 pm
“copied from ‘egoplex.com’
You are sitting in front of a computer that would have
filled a skyscraper had it been built in 1956. You have terabytes of the world’s accumulated wisdom at your fingertips via Google. You have a college education in your pocket. Einstein, Feynman, G?, Jung, the Wachowski Brothers, Turing, Fermi, Crick and Watson have all blazed an intellectual trail for you to follow. With all this going for you, your major contribution to society so far consists of a message board post theorizing that the castaways on Lost might be in Purgatory.
About 400 years ago, before the discovery of electricity and only 150 years after the invention of the printing press, a barely literate German cobbler came up with the idea that God was a binary, fractal, self-replicating algorithm and that the universe was a genetic matrix resulting from the existential tension created by His desire for self-knowledge.
Clearly, someone’s been slacking off.
It all started one day around 1610; a young German shoemaker was looking at a pewter dish when a dazzling ray of reflected sunlight unexpectedly turned out to be a message from God.
Many people receive messages from God. However, these usually tend to run along the lines of “Kill! Kill! Kill!” Such messages are not particularly interesting unless you happen to be on wrong end of the ax.
Jakob B?’s transmission was considerably deeper than the usual psychotic imperative. In fact, his vision (well, let’s call it that) contained profound theological insights well beyond his educational level, which amounted to little more than Bible study and sole-cobbling techniques.
B? wrote about his experience and the strange thoughts which resulted, but he sensibly decided to keep these notions within his circle of close friends. His friends had different ideas and copied B?’s manuscript without his permission, circulating it around the prominent intellectual circles of the day.
B? became a celebrity overnight — which was not a good thing. The local religious authorities were not amused. Luckily for B?, he was a Protestant and not a Catholic, so he was simply threatened with exile instead of having large spikes shoved up his ass.
Inconveniently, the visions kept coming. Although he was initially deterred by the threats of the local pastor, B? eventually began to write again, at first in secret and later in a handful of books. The majority of his work was not published until after his death.
His ideas were radical and exciting, and B? began to attract adherents — which again led to trouble. His radical and exciting ideas received the exact same reception the second time around, but this time he was actually banished. B? received a friendlier reception in Dresden, but the positive attention there only further infuriated the clerical authorities back home.
All the controversy took a toll on his health, and B? died at the age of 49. But his ideas would live on, helping to shape a vast lineage of occultists, philosophers and lunatics for centuries to come.
B? treatises were mostly Gnostic and kabbalistic in nature. His concepts often reflected Eastern spiritual concepts that were not widely known in Germany at the time. B? began with a radical rethink of the traditional Judeo-Christian God. He threw out the traditional picture of a guy with a beard and long robes in favor of an abstract, formless deity.
Prior to the creation of man, B? wrote, God was an undifferentiated single unity defined by the absence of everything else — the Abyss, or “Ungrund.” Creation was the result of the Ungrund dividing from its state of original unity — a proposition completely familiar to Taoists but foreign and offensive to B?’s fellow Lutherans.
Even more controversially, B? argued that God could not be omniscient and omnipotent, since He was eternal and unique. “He knows no beginning, and also nothing like Himself, and also no end,” B? wrote, arguing that God created man in His own image so that He could learn about Himself.
To initiate this learning process, God rendered Himself into positive and negative aspects — yin and yang to the Taoists, although the material substance of B?’s universe is not itself synonymous with God.
Prior to the initial split, God was only a potential mind with an unformed longing to know itself. After the split, God iterated into a binary-based matrix, continually increasing in complexity as He collected more and more information about Himself. In other words, B?’s God evolves with the passage of time, in sharp contrast to the traditional Judeo-Christian view of a perfect, complete and unchanging figure who exists outside the normal flow of time.
The positive and negative aspects of creation were necessarily opposed to each other, and B? believed that this conflict was at the heart of the universe’s logic and all of its processes. Since this tension is inherent to the design of all reality, evil and suffering are a necessary part of reality — and both originate with God.
The tension between God’s positive and negative aspects boils down to an identity crisis — cosmic self-loathing. The positive force is the part of God that chose to differentiate itself in search of self-knowledge; the negative force is the part of God that seeks to return to its original unified state (obliterating reality in the process). B? characterized this negative force as “divine wrath,” the eternal frustration of seeking a goal that can never be accomplished.
In B?’s cosmology, the wrathful element of God as the Father, the beneficient element as Jesus Christ, the Son. The syzygy of the conflict between the opposite poles created a process of change — the Holy Spirit, as the continual interaction of the Father and Son through time.
B? presented the universe as the product of the dueling forces of Father and Son, one bent on disordering and a return to unity (entropy), the other bent on ordering and harmonizing in the process of differentiation (organization), a formula now understood to foreshadow key concepts in chaos theory and genetic sequencing. The human body and soul, according to B?, were a microcosm of the divine model, akin to the holographic universe physics model first formally proposed in the 20th century.
B? expanded on these thoughts to develop theoretical frameworks encompassing virtually every aspect of the Christian mystical experience, covering everything from Sacred Geometry to the book of Genesis to the nature of Satan, the angels and the Antichrist.
With the basic underlying premise of creation firmly in hand, B? turned his attention to the details, integrating concepts from the Kabbalah and alchemy, and laying out a foundation for scientific and especially philosophical thought that exerted a wide-ranging influence on the elite minds of the Enlightenment (although the controversial nature of his assertions often kept that influence below the radar). B?’s work reflected so many diverse spiritual concepts that he is considered to be the father of Theosophy — a precursor to the New Age movement which stipulates that all religions are basically talking about the same thing in different words.
After his death, B?’s writings were quietly circulated among the elite minds of Europe. His ideas were pursued by everyone from Friedrich Nietzsche to Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel (who revamped B? in a rationalist framework) to 20th century sci-fi author Philip K Dick, who had an extremely similar experience receiving an extremely similar revelation from a beam of pink light.
On the more disreputable end of the spectrum, B? was probably the single largest influence on the founders of modern occultism, including Aleister Crowley, Madame Blavatsky, and Adam Weishaupt, founder of the Illuminati, who got a lot of mileage out of B?’s trademark imagery, including the famed “Illuminati eye” and the Ouroboros.
Small groups of adherents began to spring up. These early groups formed first among the Rosicrucians (a secret society active during B?’s lifetime that was a precursor to modern Freemasonry) and a few small groups which, inspired by B?’s tale of illumination in a ray of sunlight, began to refer to themselves as the Illuminati. Later, Weishaupt’s Bavarian Illuminati would adopt some of B?’s principles in their quest to rule the world — a purpose B? himself would have found laughable.
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Comment by Stev — March 30, 2007 @ 4:06 pm
“I total agree with Jack being Jacob.
“He walks amoung us but isn’t one of us”
What else could that mean???
I love it.”-Billy D
“That’s what it says. That’s not what it means.”
I’m not totaly disagreeing that Jack could be Jacob, but there is some doubt to be placed on that theory.
Comment by Dr. Nope — March 30, 2007 @ 4:31 pm
The name Jack comes from Jacobus - Jacob - Jac - Jack.
Jack is of Old English origin. Name based on John (Hebrew) “the Lord is gracious”, or Jacques, the French form of Jacob (Hebrew). Jacob is literally translated in Hebrew as “holds the heel,” and is a play on words that means “trickster.”
Comment by Pali — March 30, 2007 @ 6:05 pm
Hey, Locke speaks to Paulo about winter coming. But they are in South Hemisphere (or not?). The summer is coming.
Comment by Jo — March 30, 2007 @ 9:09 pm
anyone remember tom and picket having a quick converstation where they made the point that SHEPARD WAS NOT ON JACOB’s list? (i think this was the first verbal reference to jacob, if i remember correctly)
#1 - easiest explanation is that they’re two different people and jack is not jacob.
#2 - if jack is jacob, that would make sense that he wouldn’t be on his own list… but why would tom refer to it like he did?
Comment by jeff — March 31, 2007 @ 8:44 am
what dide tom say then? and where did this snake reference come from, and did the pt be say jacob had already been seen in season 1?
i think ive missed out here!!
Comment by rck — March 31, 2007 @ 9:24 am
With all the budhist references in this show it’s possible that Jacob is a great man whose spirit/energy is reborn into a new body every so often. If this is the case, then the others would not know who he is (maybe Ben has an idea). I see this as a signifigant possibility, as my belief (right now) is that he is Jack. However there are a few possibilities out there (along with some not out there)…
Comment by cap10tripps — March 31, 2007 @ 10:08 am
this stuff about jacob has got me thinking now…… did they say hed been seen in s01???
ive started thinking about why all the folks were on the plane, obviously hugo wa there cos of the numbers, but didnt rose/bernard and claire both see the same pysicic over there? im wondering if there is a hint as to who jacob is here……
Comment by rck — March 31, 2007 @ 10:58 am
Jacob was one of the people on the plane. Jacob arrived on the island the first time by being on flight 815. Time is circular on the island. Changes during each iteration of this event causes new outcomes, like different people on the plane, different models of the record player in the hatch on season 2.
Jacob is someone on this plane that learns the secrets of the island and mystery of the time loop. He can then become the leader of the others although he lands on the island in their future. He passes his knowledge to the others, like the list of passengers, before the next iteration of this event begins.
This also ties back to Dharma using the island to change the variables in the valenzetti equation. Unlimited opportunity and time to change the equation.
Comment by TabulaRasa — March 31, 2007 @ 7:50 pm
That’s a good point of view Tabula. I like it. That would make 3 possibilities. Them being Jack, Locke, and Desmond. Of course there’s always the chance of being caught completely off guard (Kate?)…
Comment by cap10tripps — April 1, 2007 @ 7:32 am
Damon said once that Kate was their original choice to be the leader early instead of Jack.
Comment by DT3 — April 2, 2007 @ 12:21 am
Yes DT3, the original character of Jack was going to die in the pilot (and be played by Michael Keaton). After that, Kate would have assumed the leadership role of the 815ers. Is this a possible hint to what Kate is headed for???
Comment by cap10tripps — April 2, 2007 @ 6:07 am
I think Charlie is the Cobra. Or at least he is there for a purpose we don’t understand yet. Perhaps like Desmond he is aware of the time shifts also as he was in or near the swan at the time of implosion. But I get a definate evil agenda feeling when it comes to Charlie. Perhaps those bunny slippers he wore as a child are symbolic of something more. There has been a lot of strange foreshadowing in his stories and If he is truley killed off this season I think he will have a big role in the over all main story of Lost unlike the disconnected Piki story.
Comment by H20 — April 2, 2007 @ 7:51 am
We all asume that Jacob is bad because we beleive that the others are bad guys but what if the others are good guys ive heard that a third group will be introduced and will be worse then the others and the others were only trying to protect themselves from this third group because they are ruthless. So if this makes the others good guys then wouldnt it be easy to suggest Jack is Jacob. Throughout the series Jack has protected the losties and been the leader so would it be so hard to beleive he could be the leader of the others if they turned out to be the good guys and end up protecting the losties and the others from a worse group.
Comment by DMS — April 3, 2007 @ 6:52 am
I think the Dharma guy in the videos is Jacob but Jack and Locke fit in somewhere but where? i dont think one of them is Jacob but they are both important somehow, but how? it seems the Dharma guy knows a lot about the island and all the Others got recruited by, presumably, Dharma for the Dharma Initiative which is the island, somehow. i guess we will all find out in the finale.
Comment by Hibbs — April 4, 2007 @ 6:00 am
At first i thought the epsode was a filler, cause so many people were complaining at how they hated the characters of Nikki and Paola, or however you spell it. But it’s not, there are quite a few weird phrases the guys say that i thought ‘why the hell?’ but it must be clues, theres too many things to get through to make a filler
Comment by Claire H — April 17, 2007 @ 9:17 am