Lost Haters on Lost Fansites?
Originally, I wasn’t going to get into this. But I have to. Lost-media.com, which I love for its superior media resources (in other words, I used to steal pics from there before I got my own abcmedianet account), recently gave front page airtime to this nut case: Why ABC’s ‘Lost’ Is Losing It
First of all, we know I dissaprove of any fan-site anywhere giving airtime to LOST haters. If we are truly fans, we would encourage respectful debate of the shows flaws, but shun mis-informed hack criticism from people who don’t even watch the show. Yeah, you heard me. DON’T EVEN WATCH THE SHOW. I’m talking to you Steven Simunic, who claims to be a fan of LOST who has given up. First, can I just say your title has been used so many times that it isn’t even remotely cheeky anymore. Next, and this is the best part, I want you to come clean that you, Steven Simunic, are in fact not a former Lost fan but some hack critic jumping on the LOST hate float. I’m calling you out and I want your response.
Unlike you, though, I’m not going to make empty comments and expecting some doe eyed readers to mindlessly agree. I’m going to eviscerate your inferior, factless, banal essay one empty headed point at a time.
The problem starts for you, Steve, around the fourth paragraph when you start to actually talk about the show. Here are you claims:
Recently, though, there’s been a pervading sense that the creators really don’t know what the hell is going on, and that they’re just as surprised to find out what’s happening as the audience is. The events in the show are spinning out of control faster than the fight scene in “Anchorman.” Consequently, it’s a lot harder to care. The Others are some crazy-smart scientist nutjobs? Uh, okay. I guess. There’s a Spanish galleon in the middle of a forest? Now that’s just silly. A dude pushing a button helps keep planes aloft? Hey, isn’t there a “Seinfeld” repeat on soon?
Hmm let’s examine this.
- Recently, though, there’s been a pervading sense that the creators really don’t know what the hell is going on, and that they’re just as surprised to find out what’s happening as the audience is.
Okay, Steve, prove it? I mean, how can you prove this? It is a quite widely slung criticism, and to be fair there is one former writer who claims they are ‘making it up as they go along’, (David Fury, who now works on a show where ‘Making it up as you go along’ is the philosophy of the writing room, 24.) I’m assuming you mean, they don’t know how it will end? Becuase I have to tell you, it wouldn’t make much sense for these guys to be walking around with a couple hundred episodes planned out if they don’t know how long they are going to be on the air? When would they have time to write all of that stuff? If anything, having an end point that is a moving target and ‘making up as you go along’ is what they do in the mean time, more power to them! The breathlessness of LOST is one of its more endearing aspects for me. As soon as the show becomes expository and predictable, its dead.
- the events in the show are spinning out of control faster than the fight scene in “Anchorman.” Consequently, it’s a lot harder to care.
If anything, the playing field is become much clearer as the series moves on. Sure there is still much to be learned, but we are getting a sense of what the others are about, even if we still don’t know exactly who they are. They clearly have a charge over this mystical island. A position that sets them apart from the casual boat sinkers and plane crashers that stumble by. We have the indication that there is a larger force above them, that may be pulling their strings, and we can’t shake the feeling that these people were brought here to face a destiny. We want to know what that is. That is caring. The more we understand, the more we crave the answer.
- The Others are some crazy-smart scientist nutjobs? Uh, okay.
I guess you missed the part where the others are not Dharma, and in fact recruit fertility doctors from the mainland and work with 1980’s computer equipment? This comment is the first indication you have no idea what your talking about.
- There’s a Spanish galleon in the middle of a forest? Now that’s just silly.
Um, Steve, this part comes from before the point where you said the story sucked. Like around Season one? The season you point out as being full of wonder?
- A dude pushing a button helps keep planes aloft? Hey, isn’t there a “Seinfeld” repeat on soon?
Actually the button has nothing to do with keeping planes in the air, Steve. It is to discharge a magnetic force build up. If the button isn’t pushed, the island becomes a big electromagnet capable of ripping planes apart. This was revealed last season. Wow, seems like you gave up on LOST a long time ago… why do you still carry a chip on your shoulder?
There’s more of course, but why should we respond further when you clearly have no idea what you are talking about? And of course, the biggest question of the day… why would this article be published in its entirety, without any defense, on the front page of a LOST fan site? But I transgress. I know my place, and I’ll shut my mouth. For now.
I don’t understand why the author and some posters on this site get so emotional over critics of the show … one of the first things he states is “there
Comment by Uh — March 16, 2007 @ 1:10 pm
Kold Blooded…
Comment by Bigbenguy — March 16, 2007 @ 1:20 pm
Hahaha! Steve Simunic just got PWNT!
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Uh, I think the reason Dr Arzt reacted the way he did is that there’s enough literature on why Lost is ‘losing it’ on media-related sites all over the Internet. For an online web community that ostensibly supports and understands the show, it’s irresponsible to publish such a petty and malicious essay, especially when the writer is full of it.
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The bottom line is that I think most of these people who accuse the show of ‘losing it’ would do a lot better by themselves and by people who actually enjoy the show if they simply said ‘losing their interest’. If people didn’t write long theses in an attempt to intellectualize what’s “wrong” with the show and come up empty-handed, then the argument about whether they ought to be able to do so would be moot. I think most of them are basically just angry that they’ve invested so much time in a show that has not yet rewarded them, and instead of just recognizing this fact and either waiting for DVD or checking out, they try to figure out what’s different about the show from before, when nothing really is.
Comment by Turtle Power — March 16, 2007 @ 1:21 pm
Personally, I can’t get enough of Lost messages boards and I need to stop reading spoilers. But I haven’t been enthralled with a show like this since Twin Peaks.
But— leave the Lost haters to their own jealousy. That’s all it really is. They aren’t worth the extra effort.
Love your site Doc!
Comment by luvslost — March 16, 2007 @ 1:27 pm
I agree that I don’t care for any poorly written criticism of the show. The dude lost me at the K-Fed reference. And I am a little tired of seeing the negativity get any kind of press at all, much less on a site I like to come to FREQUENTLY to talk about my love for the show.
Doc- You are perpetuating this type of nonsense by giving it any attention whatsoever.
Lost-Media- You should be ashamed for posting something like this on a FANSITE. The very definition of FAN is “enthusiastic ADMIRERER”. This guy is clearly a hater, yet watches all the episodes. Why? To write negative commentary? wow.
But like Uh stated above, Doc this is your site. I’ll always be around for theories and speculation. You provide the best forum and 99% of the postings are top notch. It’s giving this guy 1% of your attention that I could do without.
Comment by El Prez — March 16, 2007 @ 1:28 pm
ya the article is full of emptiness. but the thing that annoys me is his main picture. mouth open like that, he looks kinda.. yknow, yknow what i mean. ready for it. haha he wants people to respect his opinion and he puts a picture of himself up like that? poor guy.
Comment by matt — March 16, 2007 @ 1:48 pm
That was ausome Arzt! I hate people who critisize Lost PERIOD. let alone on a Lost fansite. I’m surprised you wern’t a little more harsh.
Comment by lost815 — March 16, 2007 @ 1:51 pm
Way to go Doc! I am so sick of people hating on LOST. If they don’t want to watch it, then don’t watch it. Why are they wasting their time writing ridiculous articles on why they don’t think it’s good anymore. Doesn’t this Steve guy have anything better to do? Thanks for putting him in his place!
Comment by Shiloh — March 16, 2007 @ 1:59 pm
To “Uh” (and those who disagree with Doc’s response),
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. And then they are entitled to hearing others’ opinions about their opinion. If they didn’t want to hear the others’ opinions then they should have thought about that before sharing their own.
It is my “not so humble” opinion that Doc makes a very strong point. Long before I got to Doc’s rebuttal I was thinking “Spanish Galleon? That’s season one, how can you claim to be a burnt out fan if you had issues with Season One?”
What Steve’s article does, and what Jon points out, is that any wannabe critic can take pot-shots at Lost because they want to see print. It’s the biggest and best target out there because no one else dares to do what they’re doing.
These critics opinions are not based on anything other than their need to have their words thrust before others. It certainly isn’t based on reality. If so, a simple look around (at ratings, at fan polls on various sites) would indicate that Lost is still doing very well. If Steve really was paying any attention to the writing he’d know that just this passed week a major thread from Season Two was tied up (Claire and Jack connected), a major thread from Season One was built upon (remember Locke smashed Sayid in the head when he tried to find the signal, now Locke has blown up a communication hatch), and even major plotlines from both are moving forward (Danielle/Alex, Locke’s paralysis, Juliet and fertility).
Now I’ve written reviews and I’ve written fiction. I know I can write off a good review in less than an hour without needing to redraft and I know it takes a minimum of three passes to have a descent fictional story. If the writer’s are simply making it up then they are F’n geniuses! Because they’ve got one hell of an intricate story that’s going 61+ episodes thus far. Sure, they have their down moments (309), and if you’re going to take a shot take it’d be more credible to do so at those moments. But to say they’re “making it up as they go along” is not only the most overused criticism of the show, but it’s factually untrue.
Comment by Merlboroman — March 16, 2007 @ 2:06 pm
I understand how some of you think this is a waste of time. Frankly what prompted it was discerned by one commenter already, the fact that this POS article was given front page coverage in its entirety on another LOST ‘Fan’ site.
Comment by docarzt — March 16, 2007 @ 2:07 pm
steve needs to watch desperate housewives…
I for one am still addicted to LOST… I know that when this season is over and we look back at it, that we will LOVE this season… it delivered good backstory’s and island stories so far.
I do believe the writers now what they are doing, EVEN with nikki and paulo, I mean writers for a show like THAT must know where they are going with the show.
cant wait for the upcoming episodes, for me this show is still number one!
Comment by Frankee — March 16, 2007 @ 2:19 pm
Nobody hates more than those who’s been betrayed.
That’s why I hate, not Lost, but his creators.
I hate JJ Abrahms for creating a show and drop it, like he did for Alias. Now, he’s busy with Star Trek. Lost ? Don’t know what it is. I hate all the scenarists, too lazy to watch the first episodes.
So, Claire’s mum is comatose, right ? How the hell was Claire supposed to be “disown by her” in “Raised by another” ? Oh, and Sayid has been living in Paris. But he doesn’t speak a word of french, he has to ask Shannon to translate.
I hate when people lie, and that’s what they’re doing. It’s more than obvious : they don’t know where they’re going. They’re just teasing us : “watch the next episode ! Watch it”, and they’ll make a loosy end what the ratings are at the lowest.
The dead bodies in the cave ? The Black Rock ? The “don’t open it, don’t open that thing ?” ? Visions of Walt in the jungle ?
No answers.
Being a fan does not mean being a slave. Critical mind, does it mean something to you ?
Comment by Debo — March 16, 2007 @ 2:35 pm
Hey Debo…what you got on my drink, homey??
You gotta lotta hate in your heart brother…let it out…
Comment by El Prez — March 16, 2007 @ 2:46 pm
Just imagine for a second that LOST didnt exist or worse its gets cancelled. What would we have in its place another pointless medical or crime drama. or how about another karaoake contest….Yuck! LOST has set the standard and continues to do so….This season has rocked!
Comment by Babaloo — March 16, 2007 @ 2:57 pm
Debo - living in a country doesn’t mean you can speak the language. Did Sayid speak French in that episode? Not that I recall. I don’t know about you, but I’ve met plenty of people living in my own city who can’t speak English. ‘Nuff said.
The rest of your criticisms are somewhat debatable, but this was the most glariing.
Comment by Merlboroman — March 16, 2007 @ 3:00 pm
Hey, the Black Rock was NOT spanish, it was (is?) British! http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Black_Rock_%28ship%29
Comment by Rosface — March 16, 2007 @ 3:02 pm
Sayid can speak French, but he pretended not to speak French because he wanted to get closer to Shannon (aka ‘Sticks’).
Jack, a surgeon, of course knows how to put a kite together. He would have studied the procedure days before attempting to put a kite together on the beach, but he wanted to meet the really hot girl! Seee!!
Comment by Maurice Tift — March 16, 2007 @ 3:02 pm
Yeah, Debo - show’s not over yet. Why would anyone expect answers to everything as of the middle of the show’s third season?
Keep up the great work, Doc!
Comment by me — March 16, 2007 @ 3:05 pm
Yeah, Debo - show’s not over yet. Why would anyone expect answers to everything as of the middle of the show’s third season?
Keep up the great work, Doc!
Comment by mike — March 16, 2007 @ 3:06 pm
Heck DOC,
When you “post a comment” you really “POST A COMMENT!” This is great, this is the kind of thing the fan community needs to talk about. For every negative thing a “non-fan print seeking” jackass can put out there on the web, there are probably 100 more people who have positive things to say about this show.
Thanks for doing this Jon. This is why I come here because you talk about subjects that are important to this show.
and on another note I actully quit reading spoilers because I don’t want to know anything about next weeks episode. Or what is going to happen ever again on this show. I can’t wait to see what the hell the writers have been working towards with John Locke, and what he is possibly going to do!
have fun, and enjoy the show!
thanks!
Comment by skaught — March 16, 2007 @ 3:28 pm
Good post. The execs have said numerous times that they *aren’t* making it up as they go along and never introduce a mystery without knowing the answer. The closest ever said here is that they tweak things - particularly with characters - to adjust with how things turn out. In other words, they adapt to make things Work. There’s nothing wrong with that.
Seriously, how many times have we read/heard the execs give their roadmap analogy where they talk about how they know where they want to go but sometimes take different routes to get there?
Comment by S. A. Bonasi — March 16, 2007 @ 3:43 pm
Why is it exactly that “making it up as they go along” is a bad thing?
Everything at one point has to be made up as they go along. Sometimes it is all made up at once. Other times a rough outline is defined and details are filled in. Other start with a great premise and see where it goes.
Even the great Babylon 5 with it’s 5 year plan was made up alot “as they went along”
I see Lost as this; we are in the middle of watching a novel being written.
Comment by Akbar Fazil — March 16, 2007 @ 3:55 pm
Doc Artz for prez! Seriously just owned the living hell out of that dude, hard. Good work my man, let these Lost haters have it because they don’t have the patience or brains to appreciate a show like Lost, yet they talk crap to look cool.
Comment by Aeolian42 — March 16, 2007 @ 3:57 pm
Im not fond of the LOST-haters out there myself, but I wont get in their faces. To people who dont like the show, I tell them to watch the show from the begining, without skipping an episode, and then come back to me and tell me they dont like it with a straight face.
The writers DO have a 100 episode plan, and they have from season one. They know where its going. They know all the answers. No good story lets loose all the major secrets in the middle!
Comment by Mattmonk — March 16, 2007 @ 4:45 pm
Clearly Mr. Simunic has chosen to ignore the fact that “Lost” consistently ranks among the top ten shows in the key 18-49 demographic and also is the #1 download
on Ipods the day after it airs, remaining in the top ten for the balance of the week!
The show delivers mystery,suspense,humor and something very rare on television today: likable characters that you can empathize with! In addition, it’s a show that the whole family can watch together with no fear of cringe-inducing sexual innuendo and I do hope the new time slot doesn’t change this aspect.
The best part is that in due time, we will get our answers.
“Lost” is not for people with short attention spans who need their plotlines wrapped up in 30 minutes. Critics
need to stick with stimulating shows like “Til Death”
to see how many different ways a masturbation joke can be told!
Comment by mike — March 16, 2007 @ 5:25 pm
Paris has a high concentrate of arabic speaking people, so Sayid didnt neccessarly know french…plus i know a couple of illegals in the US who cant speak a word of english!
Damn the haters, let go watch C.S.I:Yosemit or Survivor: Mars Revisited, or my personal favorite…Vanished!
Comment by Timor — March 16, 2007 @ 5:49 pm
ok dude calm down, in america, 12.5 million people on average watch LOST live each wednesday and a bunch probably watch online/record, so lets say 20 million people a week watch LOST, that measn that the rest of the country (our LARGE country) doesnt watch, so plenty of people arent going to like it. I love LOST i have since day 1 and will continue too no matter what happens but other people have opnions too and i commend lost-media for showing both sides of a great tv show and the people who watch, u are insult to LOST fans and waste so much time defending the show that u rarely provide anything usefull to read on this site anymore, i still come here because i admit that u do provide some good stuff every once and a while but stop with the stupid articles defending the show, just promote it.
Comment by steve — March 16, 2007 @ 6:54 pm
I agree with the articles statement that John Lockes character has been mishandled.
Comment by Mick — March 16, 2007 @ 6:59 pm
Steve Simunic pour yourself a nice tall glass of Haterade and kiss off!
Comment by Tabula Rasa — March 16, 2007 @ 7:27 pm
Doc, all Im gonna say is PLEASE STOP ENTICING ME INTO READING YOUR DAMN SPOILERS. It’s not that you have the best spoilers on the site, thats fine, though I like to tell myself that I am spoiler-averse and only come here for the lively discussion.
It’s just that reading the sexy lead-ins you write for them always make my mouse-hand act independently of my brain and the next thing you know, I’m watching Locke stick a gun in Ben’s face and demand access to the submarine…that sh*t’s not cool bro.
I know this post was completely off topic so let me close by saying to Steve Simunic:
Your writing style is contrived hackwork filled with lingo and unfunny pop culture references to things that were never relevant enough to be tired out. I hope Econ is your major, because you are a very minor journalist.
Comment by Jimmy Zero — March 16, 2007 @ 8:14 pm
I love LOST but doc and others need to take an objective step back and consider that this guy, as misguided as he is about several opinions he has, does make some valid points. First, the show in its third season is missing some of the things from season #1 that made it so great. We have been subjected to a lot of gulag type sets and the Flashbacks do seem to be a lot of re-hash (e.g., did we learn much from Hurley’s latest flashback? Really?). But what the haters don’t understand is that three seasons of expansive jungle and beach would’ve done more damage than the gulags we have been desposed to. In other words, change is good.
Yes, there are parts of me that miss the “buzz” I got from season #1 — the pilot literally took my breath away — and the first season and a half was, in a word, captivating. I find myself growing a little impatient with how things are progressing, but also a little disconcerted with ALL of the new characters. Sometimes I wish for the newness and simplicity of season 1.
But before you ignite your flame throwers, while there are things about the evolution of LOST I don’t agree with, I must say that I would not have wanted it any other way.
It’s still by far the best show on Television and I will not only watch all 100 episodes, I will surely own them.
Comment by Dan — March 16, 2007 @ 8:26 pm
Here we go again….
These Lost haters are wrong, of course, because they don’t agree with you, Doc. What’s to worry about?
Comment by Jello — March 16, 2007 @ 8:52 pm
I’m just going to say this:
Doc, you are my hero
Comment by Ben — March 16, 2007 @ 9:22 pm
I’m feelin ya Doc. This sort of reminds me of a former blogger on thetailsection by the name of Slone (I know Prez remembers). He threw all this hate on us pretending to be a frustrated fan, then the truth came out. He was some loser watchin with some girl in the hopes that by “being a good boy” he’d get laid. Me and the Prez ran him off quick. I don’t blame you for trying to find the true face of a man who wears masks. Smoke ‘em out Doc…
Comment by cap10tripps — March 16, 2007 @ 10:39 pm
I applaud Doc for posting things like this. Some want The Tailsection to be a mindless promo-only website, but I don’t want it to be that. I like that it’s more - a community-driven place, and like it or not these anti-Lost articles are forming a larger fabric that is almost conspiratorial in their attempts to ram the show off-air. Ignoring such crimes will not help TTS or the Lost community, someone has to fight back. And that fighter’s name is Snake Plissken… whoops, Doc Artz.
Comment by Dusk — March 16, 2007 @ 10:52 pm
Gotta luv Doc!
Just went medieval on that punk’s ass….Until those fools out there can show me a better show than Lost, keep the hate to yourselve & go post it on the Ugly Betty site or somethin’.
Kool Doc!
Comment by JDSallinga — March 17, 2007 @ 3:39 am
THANK YOU DOC!!!!
Comment by zeke — March 17, 2007 @ 5:57 am
If the finger is going to be pointed at Lost Media, then Weapons of Mass Destruction should be pointed at The Fuselage, which I think is ground zero for Lost Bashing. Whereas Lost Media simply posts all media relating to the show, good or bad, The Fuselage openly criticizes every angle and every atom of that show.
Recent articles have referred to The Fuselage. I suspect the media looks to that site get a feel for how the fanbase is feeling about the show. At least Steven Simunic’s article is his own opinion as a fan. Plus it is cleverly written and his opinions well thought out. I honestly feel like he is just a frustrated fan who wants the show to be like it was in its glory days. I feel like some so-called “fans” at The Fuselage on the other hand just use the forum to bitch about something.
DocArtz, if you want to support positive backing of the show, I’m all for it. But I think you should strike at the core of the problem. If you were to confront some of the old soreheads at The Fuselage (such as Captain Falafel for one) like you did Steven Simunic, I would stand up and cheer. I think we need someone who will take a stand against the bitterness that’s plaguing the fanbase.
Comment by CSmith — March 17, 2007 @ 6:12 am
Maybe we should set up a compound where all the LOST lovers can live and mingle and ride bikes and go to book clubs. Around that compound, we should have a sonar alarm system that keeps the haters out.
Every once in a while, me and the good Cap10 will push a hater through the fence and watch blood shoot from his ears….
Long live the Tail Section!!!!
Comment by El Prez — March 17, 2007 @ 6:23 am
Let’s burn Steve at the srake!!!
Comment by KateIsDelishish — March 17, 2007 @ 6:34 am
errr….stake that is. hehehe
Comment by KateIsDelishish — March 17, 2007 @ 6:35 am
Once and for all, it’s time to identify just why Season 1 was destined to be a legendary swath of shows (still taking into full account the innovative production values and writing stable) and why subsequent seasons would likely be its slight inferiors:
Not only does this show depict what has become a very communal 20th century archetype (the horrific experience of a commercial air flight crashing) but a twisted aftermath that, admittedly, wouldn’t add up in the real world…..
A trailblazing television serial should, ideally, evolve as a living thing while at the same time possess enduring thematic, immutable DNA at its core - with such narrative risks being taken, inevitably there will be issues with continuity as there may not have been any previous contingencies (witness both the characters of Benry and Desmond; stellar acting and resultant popularity led TPTB to expand their roles in the show and it became something very different than previously…..) so in a sense, this is another instance of , ’stop, you’re BOTH right!’
Finally, while we can be fairly certain that ABC will not cut off LOST to spite its bottom line, like myself and so many of us, Doc wants to be proactive and cut these Swift Galleon clowns off at the knees before there is any chance for their disingenuous claims to stick. Intelligent - and INFORMED - criticism is one thing, but Steve-o’s diatribe is quite another!
James
Comment by ogam5 — March 17, 2007 @ 7:15 am
Hey Prez, can we lock ‘em in room 23 for awhile first?
Comment by cap10tripps — March 17, 2007 @ 7:30 am
Well, I can see where this Steve is coming from; I’ve known a lot of frustrated LOST fans. And I can also see where he’s coming from. Don’t get me wrong, I love Lost in every way, and I’ll never stop watching it. Steve’s points were all invalid (They were contradictory) except one. The Locke thing. I don’t like how Locke turned out, but I have a lot of faith in Damon and Carlton that this will all improve Locke’s character in the end. Locke may have had this slump in character in season 2, but his character will be all the better for it. A hunter/mystic turned button-pushing maniac, turned hunter/mystic/avenger again. I can’t wait to see how this all turns out.
Comment by Souen no Kite — March 17, 2007 @ 9:05 am
Steve Simunic’s article is that of an Econ student trying to be a critic and more than likely failing at both.
When he actually makes an attempt to support his premise (the oh-so-original “Lost is Losing It”) he contradicts himself by first saying “the really interesting thing about �Lost� was that you never knew what was coming next” followed by “Recently, though, there�s been a pervading sense that the creators really don�t know what the hell is going on, and that they�re just as surprised to find out what�s happening as the audience is.” Okay, consider me mildy confused by this contradiction. Does Steve like the uncertain twists and turns or not? Or is it simply that he doesn’t like what’s been revealed? Having a crazy French-woman kidnap Sayid is cool, but “crazy-smart scientist nutjobs” are “Uh, okay I guess.”
As a critic it is your role to convince your audience, and you need to know who they are, of your premise. Steve makes no attempt to help his audience, who I have no idea who that may be(someone whose seen the show, hasn’t seen the show, a fan of the show, other critics, his mom, etc.), understand why thing have gotten worse other than pointing to other classice shows like “Twin Peaks” and “X-Files” (another bad move- don’t compare a show to another show without giving more detailed connection. You don’t know what your audience has seen or hasn’t seen) and disagreeing with the current story line. His one valid criticism that many have had is the direction of the character John Locke, however as we’ve seen this season the writers are already resteering him in a new direction, and by looking at the overall character arch thus far (which Steve Simunic completely skips) you’ll actually see that Locke is even further developed. John Locke first appeared as a mysterious warrior-hero (S1), then became a corporate acolyte (S2) and is now turning into something very different, a possible saboteur (S3). Would Simunic prefer that Locke, two seasons later, still be the warrior-hero? If so, then he’d have a valid criticism about static character development. But because of the character development he has no valid criticism of the writers or their knowledge of the story’s direction.
Steve Simunic is entitled to his opinion, but if he intends to be taken serious as a critic then he needs to put away the Econ assignments and focus on Literary studies.
Comment by Merlboroman — March 17, 2007 @ 9:55 am
i can understand why some of you think Doc’s response to a crappy article is a waste of time, but, like the crappy article itself, you don’t have to read it.
Comment by verinon — March 17, 2007 @ 11:42 am
Simply…I do not understand the POINT of campaigning to remove a TV show from the air. We can argue all the fine points all we want. BUT for some reason people feel compelled to say it’s time for this show to end. What purpose would that serve? Especially to those that no longer watch. WIll they feel better that somehow their dislike for the show forced ABC to yank it off the air. Will their be a celebration? Dancing in the streets?
I can probably think of at least 10 other shows DESERVING to be removed forever from TV history, but you don’t see me campaigning to get the shows removed. What is the point? Someone obviously is watching and enjoying said show. Lost is not at the bottom of the ratings by a long shot. Furthermore, LOST is going nowhere. I wish we had international numbers to show that many worldwide LOVE the show.
I think as a LOST fan community, we really need to stop paying attention to these ex-fans of the show. Really there is NOTHING other than low ratings that will force Lost off the air.
Comment by downthehatcht — March 17, 2007 @ 12:05 pm
I respect everyone’s view on Lost, as well as I hope they respect mine. If you want to hate Lost, then you should have the right to say so. If you think Christian and Kelvin are still alive or that Sun pushed her tutor, more power to you. If you think Lost Lost it’s way, I can understand that point of view. If you think Lost Season 3 is the best season, then I can agree on some of them (G.B., T.T.I.D).
I think Lost has been a success because of the how much the fans love to debate every possible plot twist.
Comment by BlackrockBob — March 17, 2007 @ 12:45 pm
CSmith… it probably will not surprise you to know that the last time I went on fuselage’s turf and tried to counter a hater I received a warning from a moderator claiming I was picking a fight.
Comment by docarzt — March 17, 2007 @ 12:54 pm
There are always two points of view to every argument. LOST is just a (great) TV show, but my life won’t stop if it’s not on or doesn’t happen to reveal where the cable on the beach goes or what the 4 teod statue means or who adam and eve are.
Come back to the series in 3 years if you need answers to the riddles but don’t want to watch the show. Wikipedia will summarise 7 series of Others in one paragraph.
Comment by leeps — March 17, 2007 @ 2:01 pm
It’s a TV show. I personally think it’s a really good TV show, but it’s a TV show people. It’s not like any of us worked on it. Just mellow out. And besides, there’s always a backlash to popular shows. And sure a lot of these ex-fans are probably the type of people who picked up on the show because some person or media outlet told them it was cool and now that same person or media outlet is telling them that Lost is crap so they have to agree with that. I personally just wish that the lost haters would come up with their own specific and unique beefs with the show because they are all fairly redundant. Although I do agree with the Steve guy on the dumbing down of John Locke (and was I the only person that thought that Jack’s freaking out on Bai Ling was a bit out of character and bordering on silly?), but it looks like there is a slight return to form in last and next week’s episode. It’s still the best show on the TV though.
Comment by B — March 17, 2007 @ 2:58 pm
I don’t post very often here, but I must say I completely agree with DocArtz..If you don’t like the direction Lost is taking…please: just stop watching it! And stop criticizing it just for the pleasure of it! I’m sick of people saying the show doesn’t give any answers or that the writers don’t know what they’re doing..I completely trust the writers and I’m pretty sure they know exactly what they’re doing and that at the end of it I’ll be happy of having watched this show for years.
Comment by ladyB — March 17, 2007 @ 2:58 pm
So, let me get this straight. Steve Simunic criticizes a show, and this makes the show’s fans take issue with him, as a person? Or, he criticizes the show, and people criticize his writing and debate style? I’m sure most of these people turn around and pretend to hate racism/inequality/blah blah blah, as per the image we must maintain in this “enlightened and free” society. Put down our show, though, and it’s fair game all of a sudden. Insane.
Comment by Jello — March 17, 2007 @ 3:25 pm
I think we are missing the point.
Steve Suminic is not the issue. He can write whatever he wants.
The problem lies in LOST fan sites posting poorly written articles without any cred. It supports nothing more than a poorly informed smear campaign against this show.
If prominent figures inside the lost community, such as; Auseillo, Jeff Jensen, Or even Doc Arzt. People who have dedicated themselve to supporting the community and have contributed to the overall enjoyment of this show. If they had negative things to say about the show, I think that would be valid.
Comment by skaught — March 17, 2007 @ 5:34 pm
ok people, let’s just think about this for a second.
Lost caters to a certain type of person/tv viewer. People who like the nonstop action of a show like 24 will clearly become easily annoyed with a show like this. Lost is not for fans with a short attention span. How many theories can you come up with 24?…not too many. Even Heroes, Lost’s supposed rival, is a different type of story, comparing the two shows is just pointless. Being a Lost fan is like being in for the LONG HAUL, and certain types of people just can’t handle that. Face it.
As far as the producers making it up as they go along goes…
Ok, I will guarantee you there is a Grand Plan for the show. If there wasn’t, why would they not be throwing answers at you from all angles just to keep the ADD viewers happy? They don’t have to, because they are sticking to their original plan. If I have any issue whatsoever with how they are revealing this Grand Plan, it is not that they are making it up as they go along, but more that sometimes they don’t EXECUTE their plans in a satisfying way.
For instance, I remember in season 2 the producers saying that Eko had a definite destiny on the island that would be revealed in season 3, and well well well…it was revealed. Unfortunately, I think their execution of that storyline was somewhat cheesy. Like…season 3 starts, Eko gets mauled by a polar bear immediately, sits around being injured adding nothing to the show, then randomly gets up running off to the jungle to get killed by the smoke monster. Basically he didnt do a thing from the beginning of the season until he died. I thought that was really odd. I believe they had every intention of killing him off in spite of those “he got booted because he got in trouble with the law” theories, but I dont think it was executed too well.
Overall, any Lost viewer without an ADD inclination can tell that there is a general plan that they are unfolding. I won’t venture to say they have every single DETAIL regarding how they will reveal that plan worked out, so I won’t turn into a Lost hater just because some aspects of the story arent executed in a way that satisfies me. I can’t help it something doesnt seem right to me. But I haven’t seen any real contradictions or anything that makes me think these producers don’t know what they’re doing. If you have problems with it, you can watch Jack Bauer torture a new person every monday during another INCREDIBLY REPETITIVE season of 24…
Comment by look — March 17, 2007 @ 7:04 pm
Skaught, your wrong. Everybody has the right to write anything about lost. No one is more an expert than another. Saying that only a select few people like you have mentioned are the only persons capable of being valid slaps of complete elitism. It also allows a dismissive attitude to develop where constructive criticism becomes casually dismissed because it does not come from certain people that you deem worthy. There are a lot of people who are just being negative because they dislike the show and have from the beginning. There are also those individuals who are as much of a fan as you but have genuine criticism on the direction it has taken. Just because you like something doesnt mean you have to like everything about it without question. That is not a free thinking person.
Comment by Mick — March 17, 2007 @ 7:08 pm
I have been a completly dedicated fan since day one, basically obssed with LOST but shockingly I vowed to stop watching LOST after watching I Do. I was greatly dissapointed this season, the Others were nothing like i wanted them to be and the death of Eko left me speechless for days, literally. I felt like writers had no clue where the story was headed.I seemed to be sighting plot holes left and right, anything to give me an excuse to stop wasting my Wednesday nights. THe new time change was the last straw for me. My entire family just about disowned me with this vow, and my friends didn’t talk to me for about a week. However the day LOST came back from hiatus i was sick and decided to stay up and watch just for kicks. Despite my lack of faith in the show LOST again drew me in and i decided to stay on board. Over the three month break i did bash LOST on several boards, but now i regret it. LOST is still fairly new and while answers i want still aren’t there new and interesting questions are being asked. i love the introduction of Juliet and i love that my old favorites Claire and Sayid are getting more screen time than ever before. My faith has been restored in the show and now i am dedicated like never before. I think LOST haters who lost faith in the show like me should be entitled to explain why but shouldn’t post it on sights that LOST lovers view. I do wish LOST would change a few things, but once again i find it exciting and captivating, everything i loved about LOST to begin with. Alot of Steve’s points hit home, but i feel that i should give LOST a chance and wait till it ends before i once again say i hate it.
Comment by Nea — March 17, 2007 @ 7:12 pm
Jello, it’s not that he has a negative opinion of the show, it’s that he wrote this trolled-out article thats full of contradictions and nonsense and which got posted on a fairly respected site.
I’ve seen a whole slew of articles that are more or less exactly the same as this one being posted on credible blogs and sites by minimally talented, hyperbolic hacks like this Steve guy. I and I assume others like me become concerned that these half-assed articles will start to actually damage the show, ie: TPTB will see all these articles and take action to “fix the show”. Cast shuffles, schedule changes or other things that could actually lead up to cancellation.
This is the internet, studio execs don’t really care what rabid fans have to say, they know they already own them.
However, when slack jawed spoiled white American male college students aged 18-25 (the best demographic in the universe) decide to put down their bongs and write an article called “OMG LOST SUX NOW” or somesuch and not back their premise up with ONE SHRED (read the article and know i’m right) of proof that isn’t pure opinion or downright wrong, and get it posted on a high traffic fansite(?!), someone high up might pay attention.
You understand now Jello? That wasn’t too racist I hope?
Comment by Jimmy Zer0 — March 17, 2007 @ 7:22 pm
for the love of God,
stop acknowledging the negativity surrounding lost. anyone who watched enter 77 knows that lost still rocks. even last week’s episode, as mediocre as it was, was still worth watching in order to reveal the secret of claire and jack’s relationship.
why is it, Doc, that you continue to pay heed to this crap? What do you care if someone makes empty arguments and nonsense about Lost “losing it?” Nobody on this site should give a shit about this. We know better, people can say whatever they want on other sites, and its not going to stop people who enjoy the show from watching it.
Just stop acknowledging the “lost is dying” rhetoric altogether, and you don’t give them the voice that you’ve given them on this site by acknowledging it in the first place.
Comment by Roger — March 17, 2007 @ 7:23 pm
Mick,
Read Jimmy Zer0’s Answer. I think he sums it up quite well.
And Jimmy Zer0… YOU ROCK!
Comment by skaught — March 17, 2007 @ 7:39 pm
To look- I happen to watch both 24 and Lost and I find them to be two of the best shows that have ever been on television. It’s my opinion that both have totally unique approaches to storytelling and character development, tho the similarities between the two end there.
I agree with your point, however comparing any of those shows is apples to oranges, but it seems like you’re saying that you can only be a fan of one of them?
You can call 24 repetitive, but thats just because the sheer volume of insane, over the top scenarios per episode is so high.
I put forth that people who make the claim that you made are actually the ones who have an ADD type disorder, only its a disorder that prevents them from being able to assimilate whats happening right in front of if its not being presented in the cliche, formulaic tv way.
I dont know what I’m really trying to say with this, so I’ll just say that at least with 24, I know I won’t have to worry about sh*tty will-they-or-wont-they story arcs the way I have to on every other show that I like (lost included), I know that chances are Jack Bauer will just wind up throwing his love-interest-of-the-day on a bomb to stop it from blowing up a church full of 9 yr old republicans or something.
You can’t beat that feeling, so nyah-nyah.
Comment by Jimmy Zer0 — March 17, 2007 @ 7:43 pm
I do not know how that explains anything or is relevent in anyway to what I wrote. I never said a negative thing about the show or even endorsed what was written in the article in question.
Comment by Mick — March 17, 2007 @ 8:17 pm
Mick, It’s not about censorship of the common man, or only allowing elitists to have a say. It’s about perpetuating the demise of lost within the fan community. It’s just bullshit, and it’s the communities’ job to smoke out that crap.
Comment by skaught — March 17, 2007 @ 10:35 pm
ok, if you click on the link to the actual article, you’ll see the picture of this guy…you can’t take this guy seriously…and i don’t mean that he’s kidding about his views on Lost.
not only does he betray the fact that he’s probably not a real “fan” by what he says but that goofy pic of him accompanying his article just poops all of this credibility out on the floor.
this reads like he read a press release on how to diss Lost. he’s just trying to cash in on controversy.
Doc, i appreciate your passion, but you played right into this. and i’m sure because you corrected him on factual errors about the button, he’ll have another article just about “geeky fans” or some other crap.
this is grade school journalism. treat it as such.
JR
Comment by JR — March 17, 2007 @ 11:24 pm
I didnt say a thing about censorship, the common man or anything of that nature. I have no idea what that is all about. Ultimately what I am saying is that your opinion is worth as much as his. If you disagree give your opinions as to why he is wrong. I think it shows weakness to become so obsessed about some guy who doesnt like what you like.
Comment by Mick — March 17, 2007 @ 11:41 pm
A perfect example of such a tactic is to do what DocArtz himself has done and answer the charges. He didnt just piss and moan about the article he answer the charges and counter argued his position.
Comment by Mick — March 17, 2007 @ 11:44 pm
“You understand now Jello? That wasn’t too racist I hope?”
So you took my post to mean that I think this over-reaction is racism? So, not only can Lost fans be raving lunatics hellbent on personally insulting a person who criticizes a show, they can also totally miss a point?
Yeah, dude, you rock….?
Comment by Jello — March 18, 2007 @ 2:24 am
Besides, this Steve guy obviously kills babies and is borderline retarded because he pisses all over the show.
Comment by Jello — March 18, 2007 @ 2:26 am
What a stupid idiot… If he can’t even follow the plot line of lost, I don’t think he should have a job.
Sounds like he looked up his incorrect information on a bad internet site and pasted it into his “essay”
He gets an “F” grade for terrible attention to detail.
Comment by Sara — March 18, 2007 @ 2:37 am
Well said Doc. The media makes me sick…why do they attack this show? I don’t even like Lost-media that much anymore…your topics are better and you keep the site much more up to date than they do. It’s also nice to be able to communicate with real fans here, lol.
Another issue that really bothers me is the once upon a time fans who have converted to Heroes or stopped watching. Why do they feel the need to come onto lost message boards and post how much they absolutely hate Lost? Are they really that bored? And why does it bother them so much? (By the way Nea, it’s inspiring to know you have come back to Lost…good for you!)
I’ve watched since the first season’s pilot, having heard about it only because I was a Lord of the rings fan and fresh out of new Hobbit fare in 2004, it was exciting to know one of the actors from the trilogy would actually be on my television every week. Since then, I have actually grown more liking for characters like Ben and Jack, Juliet and several others, but never-the-less I must thank Dom for bringing me here and it will be a shame to see him go if he truly does.
I will admit, I have wavered in my devotion to Lost off and on…especially during the first season, due to 6 week long breaks and several episodes not being what I had anticipated leaving me a bit disappointed.
I honestly can’t understand why anyone would want to return to the first season. It served it’s purpose by cleverly introducing the characters, and honestly, the flashbacks were probably the best part for me. (Most of the Island stuff was not that interesting, and really…how many times can you watch someone playing golf and be entertained people? Why do you want more of that?) After Ethan was killed, the Island felt too safe…but a few weeks later, they kill a major character and introduce the Hatch, and more Others, which sparked my interest again and I was eagerly anticipating next season.
Then season two aired, and there were several things I wasn’t the most wild about, mainly the Tailies, but they didn’t bother me enough to want to stop watching, especially by the middle of the season when it really picked up, not to mention jaw dropping scenes like Michael killing two tailies, and several episodes that continue to be some of my favorites like Lockdown and the finale.
Season 3 has been the only season I have felt totally invested in. Yes, there have been some misses, unexplained character mishaps and the like…I too thought Jack’s behavior with Atchura strange, and also Locke and his fascination with playing chess, though I am not entirely convinced he’s been dumbed down. I have faith that these things will make a ton more sense in the future…I believe I read that Bai Ling will appear in two more episodes which will hopefully straighten out Jack’s behavior as there was a lot during that month he was there we didn’t see. Locke’s may come even sooner with his episode next Wednesday.
The secret to successfully watching and enjoying this show is to stop expecting what you WANT to happen, to happen, something I did a lot during the first two seasons and I only ended up disappointed. Your vision is NOT their vision. I have learned these things and have become a happier more devoted Lost fan because of it, and I never felt the need to complain about it on message boards the way some of these people do which I think is disgusting. Some like Nea have seen the error of their ways and I find much respect for someone who can come back like that and admit they were wrong, and become fascinated by the show once more.
I have watched all the Heroes episodes that have aired and I find nothing what-so-ever that I like better than Lost. The only reason I watch is because I have nothing to do on Monday nights, and it’s always fun to laugh at some of the more rediculous things such as the ‘cliffhanger’ episode.
I would probably like Heroes better if the producers weren’t such A**holes, especially Tim Kring who admits he ‘Picked Damon’s brain’ to get a few of the better ideas Heroes has to offer. He is a real life Sylar, and he should be ashamed for inadvertently dissing Lost, when we all know he’s talking about Lost when he mentions ‘giving answers’among other things, whether he names names or not. I applaud Damon for finally coming out and admitting those were his ideas, and Doc Artz for bringing it to light.
I do not complain about Heroes on their boards though, and really the only ones I would want to reach are the ex-lost fans who continue to bash Lost while enjoying their new obsession. All I can say is get a life and move on. We don’t care about your slanted opinions that continue to add fuel to the fires of the media who keep furthering their Lost bashing spree and discouraging new viewers to even try Lost because it has gotten so ‘terrible’. Lost has not changed. There are some episodes that are not as good as others, just as there has always been. In the end, none of this matters because by the time you’ve watched another season, something that seemed strange and out of character during an episode (Remember Sayid saying he would handle the food in season one when they decided to start rationing? He’s a cook! No wonder! It took three seasons for that forgotten ‘mishap’ to make sense!) will be explained.
Faith will be rewarded. This is not a show to watch just for the answers. It is a show that will captivate and move you at times, baffle and confuse you at others. Enjoy the characters! For me, I am fascinated by the Others and can’t wait to return to them. While I like the original cast and characters, it is the unknown that intrigues me rather than the familiar that I have become accustomed to these past two years. The darker the better. I mean, as funny as Sawyer and Hurley are trying to chase down a tree frog, there comes a time when they aren’t all that funny anymore and you yearn for something with more depth and intrigue. Seeing Ben get shot by an arrow from the same episode however, never gets old.
Enjoy the Strange plot twists and turns! I thought I had discovered who the Others were, but I was wrong. Things keep changing and altering and I like it that way.
So to all those who doubt, have doubted (myself included), or will doubt in the future, keep watching. The reward will be worth it.
Everything changes,
Chelsy
Comment by Chelsy — March 18, 2007 @ 3:14 am
“I’m sure most of these people turn around and pretend to hate racism/inequality/blah blah blah, as per the image we must maintain in this “enlightened and free” society. Put down our show, though, and it’s fair game all of a sudden. Insane. ”
I’d really like to know how you got came across this specious line of reasoning, is all. Its a beaut.
Comment by Jimmy Zer0 — March 18, 2007 @ 5:49 am
jimmy zer0
Heroes, 24, and Lost are actually my 3 favorite shows on television right now. My point was that you can not compare any of them to eachother. 24 is the in your face kind of show that all my friends who dont like Lost happen to love because of the nonstop action and all that. That’s cool, and very entertaining…but this season of 24 happens to be irking me because it seems to be going over the top while still relying on the archetypal storylines that it’s always relied on. For one thing, Wayne Palmer being president? gimme a break… 24 is a show that satisfies fans’ desire for some kind of madness every episode (though this season somehow seems to be filled with “filler” episodes). I still watch it though cause the incessant madness going down on it is still entertaining.
Lost is definitely my favorite of the 3, but it’s the exact opposite of 24. You can watch a season of 24 and be satisfied. The problems posed in Ep 1 are resolved by Ep 24. Lost is different,like I said you have to be in it for the LONG HAUL. The problems in the pilot won’t be fully resolved till the season finale. Some people can’t handle that. The two shows pander to different personalities, or in the case of some viewers who enjoy both, two different aspects of one’s personality. You cant watch Lost expecting it to be like 24 and have answers and explosions and action coming from every angle during every episode. It has a much deeper storyline and simply will not please viewers who are only into a superficial show like 24. Lost is like a show for THINKERS who will sit around after an episode theorizing about the implications of what they just saw. Some people just dont get into TV shows enough to do that, and that’s cool, but the people who do love Lost. 24 is just action and explosions and grips you while you are watching it, but afterwards you dont really think about it too much until next monday.
Heroes is kind of somewhere in the middle. Deeper than 24, but shallower than Lost. It’s a great show yea, but incomparable to Lost.
Comment by look — March 18, 2007 @ 11:23 am
It certainly always bothers me when someone decides to criticize something with no prior knowledge of what it is they are criticizing. Such preemptive hatred is merely a desire for trendiness. It’s similar to the people who always argued (and still do, strangely enough) that Lost is just a scripted Survivor.
Ignorance is bliss, I suppose.
Comment by Mark — March 18, 2007 @ 2:35 pm
I guess the biggest thing that irks me is that you don’t even have to compose a well-written or compelling argument about something like this in order to get a considerable amount of publicity. The subject material itself makes it salacious enough to be popular, and it’s part and parcel of this controversy-obsessed society that we’re currently stuck in the middle of. This guy talks about the “glory days” of Season 1 but then mentions the existence of the Black Rock as proof that the writers have lost the plot (an argument that doesn’t even make sense in and of itself, but fine) — the Black Rock, of course, being set up and paid off throughout the course of Season 1. That alone should be enough to disqualify his thesis. What’s more, he doesn’t sufficiently present the link between these plot developments and a lack of focus, and in fact people in this comment section have done a better job of explaining how, if anything, the opposite is true. But he gets placed on the front page of an influential website because of how much commotion his opinion is going to stir, which is pretty lame.
Comment by Turtle Power — March 18, 2007 @ 5:09 pm
“I’d really like to know how you got came across this specious line of reasoning, is all. Its a beaut.”
Is it really that hard to understand? I know you’re trying to appear smart and witty, but you’d have gotten by now if you actually were.
Comment by Jello — March 18, 2007 @ 5:59 pm
My favourite (or i should say, most-hated) fact about those who hate on Lost, is that we are currently mid-season, and anyone who’s watched from the beginning knows full well that each season contains it’s own story arc, with gradual themes and elevating suspense, while still remaining part of the overall mythology. For anyone to claim, at 4, 6, or even 10 episodes into the season, that the show is “losing” anything, is insane and ignorant beyond belief. When the season’s up, and we’ve all seen the completed arc of this year — being (more or less) the truth about the Others — by all means, let them hurl their mindless criticism. But they won’t, because those of us who are paying attention can tell that this season is arcing towards something great. I, for one, can’t wait.
Comment by D'Fella — March 18, 2007 @ 9:18 pm
Those of us who are fed up with Lost disparage it primarily for one reason - this show that was once something to behold has fallen into hard times and ignoring the issue won’t make it go away. We want the show to return to its glory, and that means one thing - the writers and creators need to start watching it before they go back to their Final Draft Pro to write the next episode. Debo hit the nail firmly and squarely on the head. The writers simply don’t watch the show and have no sense of continuity. In fact, many episodes it feels as though they are intentionally out to break continuity.
You can love Lost all you want, but sucking up to Lindelof and Cuse, putting your fingers in your ears and pretending “we” are all crazy is childish and serves no purpose. It is everyone’s right to expect something better, and you can’t just tune in every week and say “well, this show used to be great, I hope it gets back there again.”
Comment by icy_one — March 19, 2007 @ 6:01 am
And you don’t see the hypocrisy in complaining about being ‘Othered’ by fans of the show but then ascribing negative stereotypes to them? But you’re right, anyone who thinks that people like Steve Simunic are jackasses must either a) be sucking up to Lindelof and Cuse or b) putting “our” fingers in “our” ears pretending.
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On another note, there is sometimes a betrayal of continuity on Lost, but not really as much as you’d expect on a show like this, IMO. Then again I wouldn’t be averse to some previous examples of what you’re talking about.
Comment by Mik — March 19, 2007 @ 7:35 am
Hey D’fella, you make a great point. Season one was an introduction to the 815ers and their coming to terms with setting up a new society (and the realization it could be quite some time before being saved). That concluded with the mysterious hatch and a glimpse of old Smokey. Season two was about the hatch and what the hell is the button for. That concludes with a BANG and the others taking Jack, Kate, and Sawyer while letting Mike and Walt go. It also gives us a peak into Dr. Deshatten’s story. Season three is about the others and their society, and what in the hell are they doing there. This will undoubtebly (is it undoubtebly or undoubtedly?) have its own ending while leaving us with plenty of suspense for next. All the while these seperate stories are linked to one gigantic mystery. Thank you for pointing out something so simple, yet is the best comeback I’ve heard thus far to those haters and frustrated, answer hungry, impatient fans…
Comment by cap10tripps — March 19, 2007 @ 10:50 am
Haters on the net? Say it ain’t so!!!!
Comment by Dan in Seattle — March 19, 2007 @ 11:17 am
I went and read his original article, funny how it has NO COMMENTS on it. I posted my own, and discovered why; all comments are moderated. So, apparently if you disagree with his treatise your comment isn’t posted.
His whole article was full of holes, lauaghable even. It reads as someone who read over a few summaries and not as a fan who has recently lost interest. This guy is a schmuck to be polite.
Comment by Kevonski — March 20, 2007 @ 7:42 pm
This guy is a weasel, jumping on the “has LOST lost it?” bandwagon to get his pasty mug on the Net.
Comment by Lance — March 20, 2007 @ 9:25 pm