Man From Tallahassee Info! Canadian Promo! American Promo! John Locke Revealed!
Par Avion was ‘par’ for the course, but the promos for man from Tallahassee are nothing short of spectacular. I have to admit, I am so psyched for man from Tallahassee that this could have been the best Claire episode ever and I still wouldn’t have cared. I am focused like a laser beam on 10pm EST 3/21. Locke centric episodes are my personal faves, and with the stakes of this one (how Locke was paralyzed), its just hard to think about birds, whose sister Claire is, or whether the others have the most retro looking security fence I’ve ever seen.
The thing that catches me right away is Ben telling Locke he knows he had been in a wheel chair for four years. First up, its a number (I don’t need to tell YOU that, right?) Second is, WOW… its timeline. Just knowing how long Locke was in the chair sends a tingle down my spine.
In the American promo we caught a glimpse of a burly orderly putting Locke in the chair, probably for the first time. FANGASM! Just awesome stuff. Can’t wait to see it.
Working on some caps right now, but Locke looked thoroughly messed up. Like he got dragged behind a car or something. So we are obviously not looking at some of the more popular theories. One belief of mine has been the two apes that Locke’s dad ripped off eventually came back and popped a cap in his boy for revenge. This is a little more than that. We’re looking at a pretty major event. Was he sitting in Mr. Clucks when it got nailed by the meteor? (I’m kidding, okay?) Speculate away…
here is the Canadian promo! AWESOME!
And here is the American Promo
And just a little food for thought…. here are some screen caps that give us a little insight on John Locke’s condition. Can we deduce, by examining his injuries here, what might have happened to John Locke? On one hand, he does look like he might have been beaten. On the other, the injuries are scattered and spotty. Like the spray of glass from an auto accident. Of course, the actual event may not be what makes this story so special. It is as much the circumstances, and how people reacted to what happened to Locke.
So locke had intendions of blowing up the flame, the hatch and the sub. seems like he doesnt want anyone to leave that island. WHO IS THIS MAN!? Doesn’t matter, wherever Locke goes… I’m going with him. Can’t wait for next week!
Comment by jimyy — March 14, 2007 @ 8:30 pm
I totally know what you mean (re: the AMAZING promo on Locke’s next Ep), but I have to defend Claire. This was a well-written episode with a really very moving (and reasonably revelatory) FB. I actually was able to believe Claire went thru a Goth phase! Never would have believed that. Not to mention, Locke went from seeming dopey last week to positively sinister this week. I now don’t think he was an idiot but a madman last week, based on how he just offed Patchy in cold blood. This was the best marriage of Beach- and Others-stuff all season. Both Sayid and Co. and the Beachies got a good bit of screen time, and both moved the story along. And one more thing: That freaky scene of Jack playing catch with Tom?!?!?!?!? How creepy is THAT? Loved that moment.
Comment by tomfishstory — March 14, 2007 @ 8:36 pm
This may sound totally stupid and be immediately debunked, but did anyone other than me get an eerie feeling that maybe Locke could be with the Others? For a brief minute during the episode tonight I started wondering, “OMG, what if Locke is HIM?”.
Anyway, good episode tonight. Mikhail died very well, don’t you think?
Comment by whereswalto — March 14, 2007 @ 8:52 pm
“The thing that catches me right away is Ben telling Locke he knows he had been in a wheel chair for four years. First up, its a number (I don’t need to tell YOU that, right?) Second is, WOW… its timeline. Just knowing how long Locke was in the chair sends a tingle down my spine.”
But we’ve known that for a long while.
Locke: “My condition is not an issue. I’ve lived with it for four years. It’s never kept me from doing anything.” - Walkabout
Comment by P — March 14, 2007 @ 8:56 pm
I am also totally psyched about next week’s episode. If there was any way to travel through time, I would jump forward to next Wednesday. But didn’t we already know how long Locke had been in the chair? I remember it being four from a while back.
Comment by Alex H. — March 14, 2007 @ 8:56 pm
Ah! Correct you are P. Let my excitement get the best of me there.
Comment by docarzt — March 14, 2007 @ 9:01 pm
why won’t these quictime clips play on this site?
Comment by thirdflr — March 14, 2007 @ 9:17 pm
I thought the episode sucked.
Comment by Serendipitor — March 14, 2007 @ 9:23 pm
I have a theory that I think is correct. I cannot remember where I heard it though, I’m sorry to say, since it isn’t my own originally. I am rather certain I read it on http://www.thelostcommunity.com though.
Anyway, my theory has to do with a few quotes that no one payed specific attention to. I believe that John Locke cause the accident in which Shannon’s father died and Jack’s ex-wife was severely injured. You may be thinking, “What? Mr. Rutherford and Sarah hit each other didn’t they?” But if you look at the transcripts, something interesting arises:
Season Two, Episode One: “Man of Science, Man of Faith”
[FLASHBACK to Jack in the hospital ER -- woman being wheeled in on gurney.]
EMT: Female, late 20’s, no ID, she coded twice on the way over here.
NURSE: Where’s the other one?
EMT: Right behind us. They’re on their way — Fire Department had to use the jaws.
INTERN: What have we got here?
JACK [entering]: Piece of the steering column. All right, let’s go. Keep that collar steady. Page my father.
INTERN: Already did.
JACK [to EMT]: Tell me.
EMT: Her tire blew, car jumped the divider, went head-on with an SUV.
NURSE: BP’s dropping.
JACK: Pericardial’s pierced. Was she driving?
EMT: Yes, alone.
JACK: Where’s the driver of the SUV?
[A man is wheeled in on a gurney.]
EMT #2: Adam Rutherford, 57, chest trauma, no breath sounds.
Now, if you watch this episode again, you see that Jack asks where the driver of the S.U.V. was after Mr. Rutherford was already being wheeled in. Then, if you look at Shannon’s final episode, you see this:
Season Two, Episode Six: “Abandoned”
SABRINA: Shannon, your father’s been in an accident. I’m on my way to St. Sebastian’s, I’ll meet you there.
[At the hospital.]
DOCTOR: Mrs. Rutherford?
SABRINA: Yes.
[Jack walks by in the background.]
DOCTOR: Why don’t we talk down here?
SABRINA: Doctor, my husband, Adam, how is he?
DOCTOR: Your husband was in a head-on collision with an SUV. He suffered massive internal injuries. He stopped breathing at the site of the accident. I’m afraid we were unable to resuscitate him. I’m so sorry.
As you can read, it is stated in both episodes that both Sarah AND Mr. Rutherford were hit by an S.U.V. This leads me to believe that they were driving side by side when an S.U.V. hit them both at the same time. I believe that the driver of this S.U.V. was none other than John Locke himself!
Comment by LuckyGuyLikeMe — March 14, 2007 @ 9:28 pm
thirdflr… they are youtube… you only need flash
Comment by docarzt — March 14, 2007 @ 9:28 pm
I didnt think this episode was very good. It is this type of episode that turns off lost viewers because it doesnt move the plot at all.. It was cookie cutter right down to the sentimental music and the character pan shots at the end which is a technique to often in the employ of Lost writers. I am surprised it wasnt in slow motion, another tactic overused. The way patchy met his fate was pretty cool. I also do not think its fair to consider Lockes acts as being evil when you compare them to some of what the others have done. Next week on the other hand is going to be spectacular and I can not wait.
Comment by Michael — March 14, 2007 @ 9:47 pm
Hurley mentioned that some “dude” jumped from his accountant’s rooftop in “Tricia Tanaka Is Dead”. I wonder if that man might have been Locke. The problem with this is that Hurley had to had won the lottery over four years ago. When did Hurley get his windfall?
Comment by DCN — March 14, 2007 @ 10:04 pm
Hurley mentioned that some “dude” jumped from his accountant’s rooftop in “Tricia Tanaka Is Dead”. I wonder if that man might have been Locke. The problem with this is that Hurley had to have won the lottery over four years ago. When did Hurley get his windfall?
Comment by DCN — March 14, 2007 @ 10:06 pm
I’m looking forward to the Locke episode but I also thought this one was very good. I’m one of the few people I know–actually I’m the only person I know–who thinks that LOST has actually gotten better with time. I liked the first season, loved the second, but am absolutely obsessed with this third. I can’t take my eyes off it.
Comment by Lance — March 14, 2007 @ 10:19 pm
i really enjoyed tonight’s episode — and i have to say that i think it’s unfair to be so harsh on the writers and/or the plot, especially since most people who “study” the show had already figured out claire was jack’s brother (i mean, had you not known this already, would that have made the episode more amazing??) i’d also have to say i’m extremely excited for the next episode, and lost has yet to disappoint me — keep the faith!! the show is wonderful, captivating, and so well written!!!
Comment by sara727 — March 14, 2007 @ 11:22 pm
I thought that Locke was also an “Other” since he hit Said over the head to prevent him from sending that radio message. I have since come to believe that our lovable friend is some sort of dupe, a theme that runs through his life. A sort of unknowing agent of the others, working on automatic pilot. He does seem to have it out for anything Dharma, two stations are destroyed and he seems to be planning some C4 mayhem somewhere else.
Love the thick atmosphere of distrust between him and Said.
Comment by Odette — March 14, 2007 @ 11:53 pm
I’ve loved this whole season. And last night’s episode was awesome, as someone early said the best marriage of beach and other interior island scenes this season. Also, Locke is the man, ever since he threw the knife past Sawyer’s head and told us that we would hunt, he has been my favorite. However, though I think next week’s for myself will be one of the best yet, the fickle Lost fans out there who have jumped on the media bandwagon “Has Lost lost it?”(God, you know some ad exec is just in love with that one)please be prepared for once this season that the answer will not be what you expect. The writers have always joked that Locke lost his legs from a banana peal, though I think it’ll be a much bigger revelation than that, I also would be fine with a banana peal. All I’m saying is that many of you have created so many theories around this show, myself included, that when we have actually received pretty definite answers this season, people have theorized themselves out of the suspension of disbelief. And basically I’m saying I don’t want to look at the forums the next day and see the ad nauseum comments: “I don’t know, I thought it could’ve been better” “I swear if they do this again I’m not watching” Anyway my point is basically, I’m really excited for next week, it’s Lost, it’s Locke, and really if it’s a banana peal or a plane that hits a train that hits a semi which knocks Locke over while Helen dies and Locke’s dad laughs, I’m excited.
Comment by Kelso — March 15, 2007 @ 4:23 am
If you had been in a wheel chair for 4 years, and then all of the sudden you could walk and was strong again… would want to leave the island that cured you?
I think Locke will do anything to stay on the island.
Locke is a loose cannon that Sayid needs to take care of before they are all dead.
Comment by BlackrockBob — March 15, 2007 @ 4:24 am
Last night’s episode has cemented it for me. Personally, I am in the “Locke is an Other” camp. While there has been plenty of evidence to support this theory in previous episodes, Par Avian really hits it home.
A) He claims to have not known about the C4 then has some. On the surface, this is just a lie. But if you think on it for a second, it means he quite intentionally blew up the Flame station which folks could have used for communication.
B) Patchy tells Kate and Sayid that he knows them but doesn’t really know them. Locke, however, he says he not only knows but starts to actually say something that we are led to believe is important, but he is interrupted by Rousseau. Conveniently, Locke then shoves him into the sonic fence and kills him. What a nice way to make it “look” like an accident. “I didn’t know they had some sort of sonic weapon for their fence!” he says (or something akin to it), but he had also just told everyone he didn’t know there was any C4. The dude’s a liar and manipulator.
So, to me, all that, plus his actions before and statements from others, like Ben, saying: “I was coming for you.” And I think it goes well beyond some guy wanting to stay on an island that made him the person he always wanted to be. There’s no reason he has to stop anyone else from being rescued, in fact their leaving would give him the island to himself (for the most part), so that doesn’t hold a lot of water. Nope, I don’t buy that its a “protect the island” thing with Locke…I think its a “protect the Others”…whomever they happen to be.
But, that’s just my two cents.
Comment by Doc Nova — March 15, 2007 @ 5:57 am
It’s not that Locke is an Other, it’s that he WAS an Other. That’s my theory, at least.
Comment by kel — March 15, 2007 @ 6:13 am
I see Locke as the Emperor from starwars in Episode 3. Seems like he has good intensions, but in fact is evil and is a master at masking it(the scar on his eye classic mark of a villian) but i also think he has a good side. He could very well be an other, he could also be dharma. I kno what ur thinking, if he is dharma then why would he blow everything up? Because if u think back to the Flame station, and the video he watched on the computer, it seems that even dharma would rather blow up their stations then let it be controlled by the others. If he was an other, then all his convo’s with Ben in the hatch wouldn’t make sense (if they were alone, they wouldnt act like they didnt know eachother). In either case, John Locke is the man, I dont care if he’s good or bad or both, he’s going for a long ride, and i’m wearing my seat belt.
Comment by Jimyy — March 15, 2007 @ 6:17 am
I was just wondering… how were Kate and the gang planning on getting back over the security pylons?
Comment by chriswaslost — March 15, 2007 @ 6:27 am
Why is nobody talking about the plot holes in the timeline of Claire being pregnant/dying her hair and Jack’s father coming to see her in Australia from season 2?? . . .There seems to be some major issues with the time line of when he was with Ana Lucia . . . I havent gone back to look a the episode from Season 2..but did Christian Shepard and Ana Lucia visit Claire’s AUNT in the trailer park,???
Season 2: Claire is pregnant-goes to see the psychic.
Season 2: Christian is in Australia for the last time, goes with Ana Lucia to see Claire…dies the next day, is on the plane in a coffin within a matter of days after that.
Season 3: Claire is black haired-meets her father for the first time…later in the epsiode she is blond and pregnant…
Who did Christian Shepard and Ana Lucia go see @ the trailer park!?!? AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. some help please.
Comment by pizzle — March 15, 2007 @ 6:30 am
Pizzle….Honestly… who give a s*** about claire? lmao
Comment by Jimyy — March 15, 2007 @ 6:34 am
John wants everyone to stay on the island because they have become the family he has so desparately wanted. That seems to be his main motivations for his actions in the last few episodes. And I think he wants to kill Ben for all the little incidents down in the hatch.
Comment by peter — March 15, 2007 @ 6:36 am
No… if Locke is Dharma (OR an Other, for that matter), then wouldn’t he already know the “secrets of the island” that Ben is supposed to offer him next week? And besides, we SAW how surprised Locke was in the pilot, after the crash, when he realized he could move his legs again. Something is up with Locke, for sure, but I believe he must have been one of the survivors of the crash just like everybody else.
Comment by ken — March 15, 2007 @ 6:42 am
hm.. good point Ken. But how do u account for him blowing everything up? Killing Patchy because it seems like he knew alittle too much about Locke? This man has a very dark secrect.
Comment by Jimyy — March 15, 2007 @ 6:45 am
In the CTV (Canadian clip), when there are 17 sec left, the man taking Kate to the gound looks a lot like Michael when freezing the frame. Thoughts? Also, unless Locke finds something at the ‘barracks’ stating the others have a sub (map, paperwork, Ben..), how would he have known beforehand they had one?
Thanks
Comment by Discmonkey — March 15, 2007 @ 7:35 am
Locke is one angry mo-fo!
From his backstories, we know that he has been betrayed many times. This explains his trust issues. He relies on his own instincts, and as we have seen, sometimes it pays off, and sometimes it is a bust. We may all atribute obi-wan like qualities to him, but he is human, o too human!
No doubt, after spending 4 years confined in a chair, the miracle of walking has definately messed his head about the island (whom he communicated with).
He is not an “Other” - he is just a messed up dude following his own wierd belief system, which takes priority over anyone and everyone, no matter how nice he is at times to fellow human beings. We’ve seen several occasions when he is more than willing to risk other peoples lives to follow his own gut instinct, and he will continue to do so….
Comment by shikotee — March 15, 2007 @ 7:41 am
Pizzle, the timeline for Claire makes sense. Here’s (my guess of) a chronological listing of the events you mentioned:
- Claire has black hair and is in a car crash, meets her father
- A couple years pass
- Claire, pregnant and blonde, goes to see a psychic
- Christian Shephard tries to visit Claire but her aunt stops him, he dies the next day
- Claire visits her mom in the hospital just before leaving for the US, tells her she is pregnant. Remember she says, “I’ll be back soon” or something similar.
Comment by whereswalto — March 15, 2007 @ 7:42 am
Patchy said that the fence has not been working for years like everything else on the island….. How would you test the fence. Throw the guy who says its broken, through it. I guess he was lying.
The chess computer video stated that if the station has been infiltrated by the others press 77. WHy would you press 77. Wouldn’t you assume that something bad will happen if you press it, either boom or people will come to try and reclaim it? Granted I am a huge Locke fan, but this did not sit well with me.
What is this “Summary” that is mentioned in the Canadian promo. Is it something he learned about at patchy’s ranch and we just haven’t been told about it yet.
Comment by J — March 15, 2007 @ 7:45 am
seems like locke has developed a hidden agenda since he not only survived the crash but woke up on the beach being able to walk….its almost like he has to find answers to secrets at anyones expense…looking forward to next week
Comment by joe — March 15, 2007 @ 7:47 am
Why is nobody talking about the plot holes in the timeline of Claire being pregnant/dying her hair and Jack’s father coming to see her in Australia from season 2?? . . .There seems to be some major issues with the time line of when he was with Ana Lucia . . . I havent gone back to look a the episode from Season 2..but did Christian Shepard and Ana Lucia visit Claire’s AUNT in the trailer park,???
Season 2: Claire is pregnant-goes to see the psychic.
Season 2: Christian is in Australia for the last time, goes with Ana Lucia to see Claire…dies the next day, is on the plane in a coffin within a matter of days after that.
Season 3: Claire is black haired-meets her father for the first time…later in the epsiode she is blond and pregnant…
Who did Christian Shepard and Ana Lucia go see @ the trailer park!?!? AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. some help please.
Ok, relax Pizzle….
Claires flashback from last night was obviously from a few years back,Before AL and Christian came to Australia.She is young, black haired and is living with her mother, until they get in the accident.
After that, Claire goes to see the psychic for the fist time, at this point, she states that she hasn’t told her mother about the pregnancy. This is around the time that AL takes Christian to the house that her AUNT LINDSAY (who we saw last night) owns. Aunt Lindsay, who we found out last night hates Sheppard, tells him to leave and that he cannot see her.
Sheppard dies
Claire gets on the plane.
Time line seems perfect to me. You just have to put it together. They are not always shown in the order they happen.
Comment by AVREY97 — March 15, 2007 @ 7:48 am
I think kate and sawyer told locke that the others had a sub at sometime when they returened, but im not 100% sure
Comment by rob — March 15, 2007 @ 7:50 am
rob,
Kate and Sawyer did not tell Locke about the sub. Mikhail told them about it last episode.
Comment by akbar fazil — March 15, 2007 @ 8:30 am
anyone care to explain the continuity flub between Clarie’s previous flashback with the father of her baby and this one?
Previously this conversation happened:
Claire: My Mom would disown me.
Thomas: She basically has already.
Now, we see her mom has been in a coma the whole time.
Comment by Akbar Fazil — March 15, 2007 @ 8:35 am
Man, Zeke can’t throw a football to save his life.
Comment by Homermoose — March 15, 2007 @ 8:36 am
Doc Nova - I thought it was obvious that Patchy was going to say that he knows Locke was paralysed. The exact dialogue goes:
Patchy: [mentions "not" knowing Sayid/Kate, then -] “But you, John Locke… You I might have a fleeting memory of. But I must be confused, because the John Locke I know was para–”
Rousseau: “Hey! Look at this…”
So yeah. I doubt he was going to say anything we don’t already know. I think Locke would like to BE an Other, but I’m pretty sure that he isn’t/wasn’t one.
Comment by Louise — March 15, 2007 @ 8:51 am
Is there anyway you can get back into contact with lindeloff and cuse and ask them about Goodwyn killing one of the Tail Section Survivors?
Repeatively, Ben and the Others are saying they don’t kill people and there the goodguys yet Goodwyn clearly snapped that guys neck.
Plothole or more to the story?? its been bugging me for a long time.
Comment by Chris — March 15, 2007 @ 8:51 am
I don’t think the others have any problem with killing anyone who isn’t on “the list” so I would say there is more to the story.
The others motives have yet to be shown so we are not yet sure why they are “the good guys” and can get away with such moral standards.
Comment by Akbar Fazil — March 15, 2007 @ 8:56 am
I don’t think Locke is with the Others or Dharma. I think he blew up the flame and wants to blow up the Others submarine - so he can’t get off the island. That way, he stays out of a wheelchair. We already saw him knock Sayid out in Season 1 to stop communication with the outside world.
Comment by Jack — March 15, 2007 @ 8:56 am
When Claire was in the emergency room, and the police officer told her the driver of the truck was “fine”, I don’t think he would have said that if it did not mean something.
I feel that it was Locke that may have been driving the truck, and he was severely injured, which put him in a wheel chair. I believe that Locke also knows that Claire was the one responsible for this accident, and that is why he took care of her in the first couple of seasons.
Comment by LockeDown — March 15, 2007 @ 9:03 am
Louise - If you want the producers to answer a question you can post it on the message boards on the ABC website in the Lost section (http://forums.go.com/abc/primetime/lost/forum?forumID=36 ). If they answer the question, you’ll hear it in the official weekly Lost podcast on the same website, which usually shows up on the site the day before each episode.
Comment by Jack — March 15, 2007 @ 9:04 am
In the preview for the next episode the scene where Locke is standing with his hands up you see an explosion in the background. If you freeze the scene you can see a dock around Locke and the explosion might be the sub. he is looking for. The next episode looks awsome, ccan’t wait!
Comment by sam — March 15, 2007 @ 9:11 am
I could be wrong, but I don’t remember actually seeing a direct correlation between entering 77 and the station blowing up. It was edited to imply that, but what if entering the numbers had nothing to do with the actual explosion? I believe Locke was shown additional information after entering 77 (stuff that we weren’t shown on-screen), which is guiding his actions now. Like blowing up the station, swiping the C-4, being OK with using Patchy as a test subject, and continuing his hunt for Ben.
Comment by Dak — March 15, 2007 @ 9:15 am
Uh, Jack, I think you meant to address that to Chris, not myself. XP
I’m insanely excited for this next episode! I need Desmond’s time travelling-ness to go see it early.
Comment by Louise — March 15, 2007 @ 9:16 am
Avrey97 & whereswalto.
thanks for the info on the timeline. much abliged.
any thoughts on jack taking over leadership of the others? . . sources say that there would be a power shift, and that kate would be “betrayed” by “her people”
Comment by pizzle — March 15, 2007 @ 9:20 am
Avrey97 & whereswalto.
thanks for the info on the timeline. much abliged.
any thoughts on jack taking over leadership of the others? . . sources say that there would be a power shift, and that kate would be “betrayed” by “her people”
Comment by pizzle — March 15, 2007 @ 9:21 am
I think the people making Locke out to be evil arent really getting the character. He is being driven by something else that none of us can really understand. How is he any more evil than Sayid who was a tortured people many of them innnocent.(he beat ben savagely eventhough he had done nothing to directly hurt him. Remember his torture of Sawyer) I like Sayid by the way. Or kate whos murdered a man. How about Sawyer who swindled many out of their many and ruined there lives. What about Eko being a savage murdering drug lord. He claims to be a holy man and all his actions are absolved by the audience.(not the island though) The reason is that we justify their actions because of the circumstance they were placed in. Locke is much the same. In comparison his fellow losties he is quite mild in his actions
Comment by Mj — March 15, 2007 @ 9:31 am
I think the people making Locke out to be evil arent really getting the character. He is being driven by something else that none of us can really understand. How is he any more evil than Sayid who was a tortured people many of them innnocent.(he beat ben savagely eventhough he had done nothing to directly hurt him. Remember his torture of Sawyer) I like Sayid by the way. Or kate whos murdered a man. How about Sawyer who swindled many out of their many and ruined there lives. What about Eko being a savage murdering drug lord. He claims to be a holy man and all his actions are absolved by the audience.(not the island though) The reason is that we justify their actions because of the circumstance they were placed in. Locke is much the same. In comparison his fellow losties he is quite mild in his actions
Comment by Mj — March 15, 2007 @ 9:32 am
Homermoose — lmaooooo Tom can’t throw or catch, how f***** funny was it to see him catch, like a big over grown child, lmaoo.. it was good s*** way ta point that out.
Comment by Jimyy — March 15, 2007 @ 9:33 am
“anyone care to explain the continuity flub between Clarie’s previous flashback with the father of her baby and this one?
Previously this conversation happened:
Claire: My Mom would disown me.
Thomas: She basically has already.
Now we see her mom has been in a coma the whole time.
Posted by: Akbar Fazil”
I’ll take a stab at that..:)
Perhaps Thomas met her after the accident. At this point, to protect what she did to her real mom, she convinced Thomas that her aunt was her mother.
OR
By stating, “she basically has”, he’s implying that her being in a coma is the same as her mom not being there for her. And the fact that Claire visits with her mother and carries on conversations, perhaps she thinks her mom can hear her and is silently judging her..
Either way, Thomas was a dick who left his pregnant girlfriend instead of manning up…plus she’s hot!! what was his problem?!?!
Comment by El Prez — March 15, 2007 @ 9:39 am
I think that there is more to Locke than what meets eye or at least what we have seen in the past seasons. Perhaps the writers are trying to revive the mysterious Locke that had everyone asking, “Who is this guy”. Because last night I was asking myself the same question, not to say they are writing him out of character just that we really haven?t gotten the chance to see all of Locke’s personality…his Dark Side?
Comment by solomonk — March 15, 2007 @ 9:47 am
I think Locke taking the actions that he has so far prove that he is acting as a messenger of the island. He was shown something “beautiful” and that is his mission to protect.
I think the island is a rare special place that is being exploited by everyone who’s come in contact with it. It has some type of power to heal or make immortals(unless shot).
Think about the XRay that the Mittelos guy showed Juliet. She thought it was of an older woman and he said she was actually 27. Their need for her to come to the island and help with their fertility issues tells me that they are trying to EXTEND their lives, either to keep seeking the islands secrets or send them out into the real world.
I think the Island spoke to Locke, showed him the paradise it could provide if all of the Others and DHARMA would quit trying to exploit it.
The Island is telling Locke to show the rest of it’s inhabitants that they can’t have it both ways. Either get off the island or stay on it and just accept the conditions.
Comment by El Prez — March 15, 2007 @ 9:47 am
well put prez. i like it.
Comment by Jimyy — March 15, 2007 @ 10:00 am
Yeah, I don’t think Locke is associated with the Others or Dharma. I think he is consumed by his obsession to figure out what is happening on the island plus he doesn’t really want to live for the reasons stated above. There is also the chance that he already does know what the island is all about and that is why he is blowing everything up, trying to stop whatever it is the Others are doing. Or maybe he is possessed by the angry underground demons that the Others are defending against…
Comment by Erick — March 15, 2007 @ 10:08 am
Locke dies next week. Jack shoots him after he blows up the sub.
Comment by thedanceman — March 15, 2007 @ 10:09 am
“Locke is one angry mo-fo!
From his backstories, we know that he has been betrayed many times. This explains his trust issues. He relies on his own instincts, and as we have seen, sometimes it pays off, and sometimes it is a bust. We may all atribute obi-wan like qualities to him, but he is human, o too human!
No doubt, after spending 4 years confined in a chair, the miracle of walking has definately messed his head about the island (whom he communicated with).
He is not an “Other” - he is just a messed up dude following his own wierd belief system, which takes priority over anyone and everyone, no matter how nice he is at times to fellow human beings. We’ve seen several occasions when he is more than willing to risk other peoples lives to follow his own gut instinct, and he will continue to do so….
Posted by: shikotee”
DING DING DING! Exactly, the Island has healed him and he is now loyal to it, he is being used by whatever force the island is to do its bidding.
I think right now its get back at the Others time for him they blew up his hatch by tricking him into not pushing the button, so he blew up theirs and he killed their guy for his own reasons not because he is Dharma Other Hanso Paik or Widmore he is just Locke and he is very mad at Ben and the Others.
Comment by Bill Jean — March 15, 2007 @ 10:10 am
Thedanceman - shoot urself. i hate u, and everything u stand for.
Comment by Jimyy — March 15, 2007 @ 10:20 am
Akbar Fazil,
Soz bout that, im in UK and havent seen “Par Avion” yet. I just thought that i remember kate saying something when she was talking to locke and sayid.
Comment by rob — March 15, 2007 @ 10:46 am
I’m confused about the comment Patchy made last night that Kate wasn’t on the list because she was flawed. Based on last season, she, Sawyer, and Jack were all on the list. Wasn’t that the reason Ben took them? Why the change?
Comment by moe — March 15, 2007 @ 10:49 am
moe, That was bens list so it may not be the same as jacobs list evri1 is on about
Comment by rob — March 15, 2007 @ 10:51 am
rob,
Kate told Locke and Sayid that they gave Michael a boat. She also said that she is sure that the others had more boats. That is all.
Comment by Akbar Fazil — March 15, 2007 @ 11:05 am
Something to think about-last night Sawyer was reading “the fountainhead” by Ayn Rand-who also wrote “Atlas Shrugged”. In Atlas there is a place called Galts Gulch-where all the great minds of the time have voluntarily retreated to -taking themselves away from society-they all were recruited by one man John Galt–so…. we know that Juliet was recruited, and apparently Jack has been recuited….so?
Comment by David Rutkoski — March 15, 2007 @ 11:46 am
one thing is for sure: Locke is a liar.
he’s lied many times and he lied at least twice in this latest episode.
once about the C4 and the other time when he said he was there for Jack….as we’ve seen in the preview, he says himself, he’s not there for Jack.
as to why all the lying, hopefully we find out next week.
JR
Comment by JR — March 15, 2007 @ 12:18 pm
one thing is for sure: Locke is a liar.
he’s lied many times and he lied at least twice in this latest episode.
once about the C4 and the other time when he said he was there for Jack….as we’ve seen in the preview, he says himself, he’s not there for Jack.
as to why all the lying, hopefully we find out next week.
JR
Comment by JR — March 15, 2007 @ 12:20 pm
Posted earlier on: “I was just wondering… how were Kate and the gang planning on getting back over the security pylons?”
If the barracks is surrounded all the way around by these pylons, then the others must have a way of getting out
Comment by shaun — March 15, 2007 @ 12:48 pm
Akbar Fazil, Yeh she did soz my mistake. Im forgetfull lol
Comment by rob — March 15, 2007 @ 12:49 pm
Just a note as to what Locke’s motives could be:
We know he was in his wheelchair for four years, but still very much wanted to lead…an adventurous life, as evidenced by the fact that he was going on the Outback adventure. But he couldn’t, because he was in a wheelchair. Obviously, he got pretty disappointed.
But wait! On the way back from the huge letdown, the plane crashes, his legs are suddenly working, and instead of just running around the Outback with a guide, he really has to fight for survival. For Locke, that might have been a dream come true, because he was doing what he had always dreamed of.
So maybe Locke doesn’t want to get off the island because it’s all his fantasies come true: he can walk, he has people depending on him, and he’s getting to “survive in the wilderness.”
Comment by chimericalbrio — March 15, 2007 @ 12:51 pm
I think locke is an other because, he is flying to LA cause he was rejected from the walkabout. Thats why he was in sydney. Also if he was an other, he would have known about the island its healing powers and would of stayed there, unless he was an other before he was paralysed and was let go like juliet and Jack are supposed to be.
Comment by Martin — March 15, 2007 @ 12:59 pm
I think locke is an other because, he is flying to LA cause he was rejected from the walkabout. Thats why he was in sydney. Also if he was an other, he would have known about the island its healing powers and would of stayed there, unless he was an other before he was paralysed and was let go like juliet and Jack are supposed to be.
Comment by Martin — March 15, 2007 @ 1:00 pm
Sorry i put “I think locke is an other” i meant “I think locke Isn’t an other”
Comment by Martin — March 15, 2007 @ 1:04 pm
On thing that has been overlooked is when Claire was speaking to her comatose mother. She was aplogizing for many things that were said before the crash and she mentioned how she told her mother she wished she was dead. Then BAM car accident.,
Reminds me of Juliet, wishing her ex would be run over by a bus and it happened.
Not to mention Walts powers. Something to thikn about.
Comment by AnthonyX — March 15, 2007 @ 1:20 pm
I’ve been trying to figure this out–in what episode did we find out that it was Locke that knocked Sayid out?
Comment by Ted Dancin' Machine — March 15, 2007 @ 1:23 pm
Locke’s not so hellbent on destroying everything Dharma. He had every single intention to keep pushing the button in the Swan, he felt is was his mission in life… until he saw the orientation video for the Pearl. So I guess now he’s out to discover what the hell’s going on with this people, with Dharma and everything else, and he feels he won’t be able to find out if the survivors leave the island and outside attention is brought upon it.
Comment by Hades — March 15, 2007 @ 1:25 pm
Hades, not a bad point..a bit extreme but apparently people don’t just ask questions on this island..:)
To Ted Dancin’ Machine(great name.. Cheers!)The episode I believe was when Sayid made Locke take him to the drug plane where Boone died. Locke told Sayid that he did it…I’ll have to watch again but damn if Sayid isn’t giving Locke a wide berth..If he had hit me and continiuosly lied to me, I’d have bamboo in his finger nails faster than he could spell C4….
Comment by El Prez — March 15, 2007 @ 1:53 pm
To anthony X, I thought the same thing last night. It’s MANIFESTATION. If you want something enough, with focus and determination, you get it. Walt and the bird, Claire and her mother, Locke and his legs?? Maybe….
Comment by El Prez — March 15, 2007 @ 1:59 pm
Hehe Prez…Does this mean that Dharma or the Others are behind “The Secret” DVD/Book?
Comment by Dak — March 15, 2007 @ 2:14 pm
Regarding the “Locke as an Other” theory…Maybe Ben conviced Locke to start playing for the other team during one of their private conversations in the hatch? I dunno
I personally don’t think Locke has any connection with the others. The way he acted alone in the jungle when he first arrived on the island made it seems as if he was in complete awe and did not expect to find what he found.
I think Locke’s motivation for destroying the flame and the sub (we haven’t seen it happen yet but it seems pretty obvious) is to keep everyone on the island; primarily for himself since he has regained the use of his legs, and secondarily so everyone else can experience the healing powers of the island he thinks it posesses (Rose’s disease, Charlie’s addiction, Boone’s control issues with his sister, etc).
He thinks the island is wonderful and feels it is in the best interest of the survivors for them to stay put and come to grips with their own deamons. The thought of him being an other is absurd and ruins everything facinating about his character. It is believable to think of Ben convincing him to switch sides but it is out of the question for him to have been an other before the plane crash.
I’lll admit, I got chills down my spine when I read someone’s post about Locke being “Him.” I can imagine the scene now of Locke coming forward and admitting who he has been the entire time. It would be incredibly creepy and cool at the same time. But on the other hand, how far fetched is that? It seems like a stretch.
Locke asside, the biggest thing on my mind is Jack being the uncle of Aaron, the baby that the others have a huge interest in. hmmmmm
Comment by solsbury_hill — March 15, 2007 @ 2:35 pm
Just had to say…
I thought last night’s episode was very good!
and well written!
It showed another side of claire, wich I love
she was getting boring, so I’m glad she had time to shine… and shine she did, the last scene with her mother telling she’s pregnant was beautiful
on the other hand… cant wait for some more locke action next week!!! the trailers look exciting!
…and I think season 3 as a whole, will be really good
Comment by Frankee — March 15, 2007 @ 2:38 pm
solsbury_hill, definate insight on the jack being the uncle of aaron!!
although, what is wierd, is when then took walt, they didn’t give a crap about his dad, michael, and blew his ass up, or tried to
regarding locke, maybe he died that day in the jungle when “smokey” chased everyone and he said it was “beautiful”…could have taken his form..
definately something intriquing about mikhael saying “thank you” while looking at locke….like he new something.
Comment by rooster — March 15, 2007 @ 3:17 pm
I thought Mikhail’s “thank you” to Locke was as simple as “thank you for killing me so now I won’t have to feel the wrath of ‘him’ for letting you guys get here”
Comment by Akbar Fazil — March 15, 2007 @ 3:36 pm
Maybe the powerplay everyone has hinted at isn’t so big as we expect. The marketing folks at ABC have been known to blow things out of proportion. What if Locke just puts Ben in a temporarily bad position by threatening to blow up the sub, and therefore Ben has to answer Locke’s questions?
Comment by Chad — March 15, 2007 @ 3:42 pm
That is definately Michael that is taking down Kate in the Canadian Promo. Even the haircut is the same. And he sais “Who else is with you” and it’s his voice. Now that is f-ed up. How will that be explained?
Comment by Shambala — March 15, 2007 @ 9:44 pm
Dude, FANGASM?
I love you Doc.
Comment by Jimmy Zero — March 15, 2007 @ 10:35 pm
Are we certain Locke even entered 77?
I’m 99% certain that regardless of what his motives could be, Locke doesnt want the island to be found.
In my personal opinion, he’s still on the fence. The swan incident has shaken his faith, but he desperatlely wants to believe in the island again.
Im also 90% certain that Locke is going to become THE major conflict for the Losties. Im just praying that when the time for that comes, Locke will be all imbued with and augmented by mystical island juices, shooting force bolts like the Emperor and sh*t.
Comment by Jimmy Zero — March 15, 2007 @ 10:45 pm
when I said on the fence, I meant on the fence about whether or not he should begin to actively work against the losties in their attempts to be saved.
I think he just has the c4 because he’s a total badass boyscout, but he didnt tell sayid and crew about it because like i said, hes on the fence.
Comment by Jimmy Zero — March 15, 2007 @ 10:48 pm
Didn’t Locke’s mother say that he was born as the result of an experiment? I’m sure I remember that from the episode when he first met his father. Just wondering now if that ties in.
Comment by Jimz0r — March 16, 2007 @ 5:28 am
Mr Zero…Locke’s mom said he was “immaculately concieved”….She was also loony enough to be in a mental institution…
It’s Locke’s relationship with his father that has dominated his adult life…much like everyone else on the island…Dollars to pesos that Jacob is Ben’s dad and Jacob is the “magnificent” man that Patchy referred to…
Comment by El Prez — March 16, 2007 @ 5:35 am
Regardless of what the Producers say …..(because I know they lie, blow things way out of proportion, mislead and by the very nature they are making this stuff up as we go along) my theory is….
Use some common sense people…..
1 - IF this story (novel, as Capp said) is written out right now at this moment, then why did they just renew the writers contract?
2 - We have seen ALOT of plotholes that we as viewers are making up reasons and timelines to satisfy our thinking. Proof that they are making alot of this as they go along.
3 - There are soooo many inconsistancies, illogical thought processes, reactions, mere stupidity and utter disrepect of common sense of the characters to make ANY of this believable. (please don’t ask me to explain this out again, read my previous thread posts on these things.)
4 - There was NO Way JJ, Cuse, Lindloff knew at the outset that all these 6 degrees of seperation are really 1 degree! They may have Visio file of some general connections but Claire-Jack tie in was not set when they filmed the first season. As were Nikki and Paulo…. hence the CGI/green screen scenes we are going to see shortly.
(ALL OF THIS brings me to my theory which I am going to denounce myself on the grounds I am cynical and think the producers have interns reading these boards to make sure we don’t know what is going on and they need the writers for (to continually dodge the viewer’s theories. Not my theology here but as I have stated before Hollywood has a warped sense of life and it is their baby so that do what they want.)
……this is purgatory. They are all indeed dead. The list is the Peters list on who goes to Heaven and who goes to hell. It is established they are all bad people (Rose and Bernard are not established yet). They have to pay the price for their past. The others are the Angels who are in charge to test to see if good can come out of them. They inflict pain and push the Losties to the limits to test them. Failure is the eternal death. The underworld is indeed beneath them waiting for their failure… The other others are hells gatekeepers who are constantly at odds with the angels to slide people to the vents.
Desmond is one who caught in a perpetual loop of tests as an Angel himself.
Jack is on his way to redemtion.
Locke represents Humanism. He HAD faith but now is on war path to think his determination and power can overcome.
Kate is still iffy, swinging back and forth between Jack and Sawyer (bad boy).
Sawyer is on course to failure. His whole life is one big con. But there is one element of love/care. He blew it though by letting the little head think for his big head in the cages.
Rose and Bernard though make no sense. This is due to the lack of backstory flushing out. He is honorable by his past actions and her current one (She is a servant).
The do not belong on this plane….why? Maybe why we have not seen them in a while…
I have more but I am at work and I am such a slow typist
Comment by thirdflr — March 16, 2007 @ 6:57 am
Prez, its Dollars to DONUTS….not pesos….
Comment by thirdflr — March 16, 2007 @ 6:58 am
First thing, if that is Michael, then it would be the best kept secret on the web…
Maybe John has on the list until the found out that he killed Jacob/Dad/Original Sawyer. Patchy wasn’t saying paralized but para-sailing…
Tom you through like a Girl, that is way you aren’t Kate’s type…
Locke knows about the C4 without any one saying “C4″, then he has a bunch of C4 being flung around in Patchy’s backpack…
With Claire/Jack’s dad being “Dead”, who is paying for Claire’s Mum’s medical bills???
Comment by Dang_it — March 16, 2007 @ 7:48 am
Well… I’ll go on the record as saying, I’d be very disappointed if they weren’t making it up as they go along. That said, they know what the end game is. You don’t get the confidence of a major network and millions of dollars to do your work without having talent. The fact is, it wouldn’t take much talent to come up with an ending. But regardless… I like the breathlessness of the show… it is one of the factors that keeps me coming back. If they wrote it in a way that convinced you they had a plan, it would be loaded with exposition, predictable, and drab. We probably wouldn’t even be talking right now.
Comment by docarzt — March 16, 2007 @ 8:39 am
Well… I’ll go on the record as saying, I’d be very disappointed if they weren’t making it up as they go along. That said, they know what the end game is. You don’t get the confidence of a major network and millions of dollars to do your work without having talent. The fact is, it wouldn’t take much talent to come up with an ending. But regardless… I like the breathlessness of the show… it is one of the factors that keeps me coming back. If they wrote it in a way that convinced you they had a plan, it would be loaded with exposition, predictable, and drab. We probably wouldn’t even be talking right now.
Comment by docarzt — March 16, 2007 @ 8:42 am
Maybe Locke wants the Sub to go home. Maybe he thinks the Island permanently healed him, and the Faith brought him to the Island to heal him.
Comment by Martin — March 16, 2007 @ 9:17 am
El Prez, that immaculate conception thing wasn’t my theory, I think someones trying to gradually usurp my screen name.
and thirdflr, dude, the purgatory thing has been beaten to death and the producers have already sworn that the island is NOT purgatory. it may however be a hellmouth.
Of course theyre still paying writers. Just because they have the framework for the story and know where they want it to go, doesnt mean that every episode has been written. that would be crazy.
“I didnt come here for jack…I came for the submarine.”
WOOOOOT
Comment by Jimmy Zer0 — March 16, 2007 @ 9:48 am
Jimmy Zero and they said Ana Lucia wouldn’t be killed off too…….You think they would have told us if we got it right? They have no earthly CLUE as to where this is going…..
I take nothing of what the producers say is true…..
I still like the show, I just don’t believe them as I said in my post
Comment by Thirdflr — March 16, 2007 @ 11:02 am
3rdFlr-In my world, it’s pesos…:)
Jimmy Zero- Sorry for the confusion…this anonymous world of online posting is a web of deceit sometimes…
Doc-I agree about the money, although Hollywood has been known to throw it’s fair share down the drain.
I think the story has bones but we are still iffy on the skin…That type of thing needs to stay dynamic…Having good actors come on board can help you change perspective but not completely change course.
JJ Abrams said it best when he described the show as a trip across the country. You start in New York and you’re going to Los Angelos. Along the way you have landmarks you want to see but at some point in your trip, you want to take a back road or two and see something completely different. It doesn’t change the destination of Los Angelos.
I have faith in the now and I am enjoying it. I’ve already solved the puzzle in my opinion. Now it’s just time to sit back and enjoy watching the peices fall into place.
Comment by El Prez — March 16, 2007 @ 1:09 pm
Watch, I bet the writers have about 3 different ways this show can end, and are going to wait until right before the series finale to resolve any more of the big mysteries. Then they’re going to come to this site, check out the forums, see what the majority theory is, and then F*** US IN THE HEAD BY SHOWING US A TOTALLY DIFFERENT ENDING!!!
/mouthfoam
Comment by Jimmy Zero — March 16, 2007 @ 8:51 pm
But seriously, if they gave us some punked-out runaround and the island actually DOES turn out to be some purgatorial state, I’m gonna firebomb J.J.’s house.
BTW, is anyone else extremely pumped that Brian K. Vaughan is a writer for the show now?
Comment by Jimmy Zero — March 16, 2007 @ 8:56 pm
Has anyone noticed that Locke centric episodes always get us talking more? It is the dychotomy in this man that represents the entire show. Good vs. evil, science vs. faith, light vs. dark, the saved vs. the damned, Balboa vs. Clubber Lang, etc… Locke’s path is the path that most of us theorists travel while watching LOST. Right now he wants answers, and coincidently a lot of the fans are answer starved. Guaranteed in the final season Locke will have at least 3 episodes. I believe it will come down to Locke, Jack, and Desmond for the most part.
On the Jack note… I’ve been wondering about a connection between Christian (whos name must have meaning) and god. Not to say he’s god but a metaphor. He is a doctor (responsible for saving and ending lives). He has been involved in a lot of the lostaways lives (more to come?), and perhaps was a big reason that their paths led them to flight 815 (Jack, Sawyer, Ana Lucia, and Claire so far). I just think that Christian Shephard (leading the flock to pasture?) is too convenient of a name. Also, if Jack and Claire are Christian’s creations, could the bro & sis be Adam & Eve???
Comment by cap10tripps — March 16, 2007 @ 11:18 pm
By the way, Jack’s going to be super pissed when Locke blows up the sub…
Comment by cap10tripps — March 16, 2007 @ 11:21 pm
I totally agree with the opening comments from cap10tripps. Locke totally gets everyone buzzing, and etc.
Comment by Rusty — March 17, 2007 @ 12:43 am
yeah cap, I feel you on this. When you get right down to it, Locke and the island are the 2 most important characters on the show. At least, to me.
I absolutely believe that Jack and Claire’s father will have a much larger involvement in things than we have as yet seen. Can’t really articulate it, but I feel it, lol.
Comment by Jimmy Zer0 — March 17, 2007 @ 1:35 am
To the people thinking that the person who throws Kate to the ground is Michael… It’s the guard that was previously mistaken for Michael in “Stranger..” However I’m totally expecting good ‘ol Micky and/or Walt in either the season 3 finale or the episode before…
Comment by cap10tripps — March 17, 2007 @ 7:43 am
I read a good idea sumwere that explains y rose and bernard havent been seen yet in season3. When desmond looped through time he somehow made nikki and paulo take rose and bernards place on the plane. In season 2 finale when the hatch door lands, claire is stood next to bernard, the promo pic on TTS show the hatch door landing when claire is next to paulo and nikki, so could b tru.
Comment by rob — March 18, 2007 @ 8:36 am
Man that would really suck for Rose, but I’ve believed since “Flashes..” that Des was orchestrating something.
Comment by cap10tripps — March 18, 2007 @ 11:18 am
Man that would really suck for Rose, but I’ve believed since “Flashes..” that Des was orchestrating something…
Comment by cap10tripps — March 18, 2007 @ 11:19 am
It’s TRUE!
Rose and Bernard have been replaced by Nikki and Palo. After Desmond went back in time he changed who got on the plane.
See proof here:
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1265-32.html
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1085-1239.html
Comment by thedanceman — March 18, 2007 @ 6:18 pm
I had not catched this, but this stands for the reason we have not seen those two….
HOWEVER, this certainly proves that DESMOND is INDEED time traveling and not looping thru his own mind…. If people are be replaced by his actions while in his time warp, then “Back to the Future” we are in!!!!
In addition the the baby’s blanket is no longer a cotton blanket but a fleece blanket…
Comment by thirdflr — March 19, 2007 @ 7:44 am
I respectfully disagree thirdflr (unless you meant he’s time traveling and not imagining things). I believe he is looping through consciousness on different planes (past, present, future). He can still control his physical actions while looping, but I really don’t think he is physically time traveling. It’s a realistic (and pretty original) way to explain how time travel could be possible (I’m sure someone else thought of it, but this is the first time I’ve seen it explained that way). On the present plane he has probably learned to somewhat control it (through some sort of meditation), and is looping through knocks to the noggin. If that’s the case, then he could meditate while in the past or future and end up at different meditation points. It seems so logical that I can’t believe I’ve never seen this in a movie before. I guess we’ve seen sort of similar effects in “Donnie Darko” and “The Jacket,” but not thoroughly explained like this. I know it hasn’t been explained yet and I’ve taken some liberties, but if you think about how in “Flashes..” his consciousness transfers from one plane to the next, then this is certainly the case…
Comment by cap10tripps — March 19, 2007 @ 10:36 am
the real question is why did desmond replace rose and bernard, unless he has seen something that we have not?
Comment by rob — March 19, 2007 @ 12:09 pm
It might just be a butterfly effect. He didn’t activly make the change..just the little things he did let different people get on the plane.
Comment by thedanceman — March 19, 2007 @ 1:10 pm
Oh yeah, I forgot about “The Butterfly Effect.” I guess that’s the best comparison. Anyway, I think the question of why did Des replace them would be ansered in Nicki and Paolo’s upcoming centric episode.
Comment by cap10tripps — March 19, 2007 @ 2:08 pm
Going back somewhat: Christian told Claire he’d be out of her life forever, then go back (with a bodyguard/driver, no less) and demand to see her? Was he trying to warn her against flying on 815?
As someone commented before me, I know that Christian is important, but I’m not sure why.
Comment by ThirdMan — March 20, 2007 @ 11:42 am
I think the logical answer would be that he had the knowledge of Jack and Claire/Aaron’s importance, as he was some sort of agent for DHARMA or the others or the other others. Perhaps we will find out that his death was either planned or staged (to get Jack on 815). I’m sure there is a reason for the name Christian Shephard…
Comment by cap10tripps — March 20, 2007 @ 12:28 pm
Hey, newbie, but here is a thought, he is after Ben, because ben told him nothing happened when 108 clicked over (the episode with the station drawing). Locke trusted Ben, and that was the start of Locke losing faith. Lockes loss of faith resulted in him causing the hatch to be blown, Eckos death etc.
Its plain and simple revenge. He is trying to exercise a power shift. Patchy was trying to cause discontent. Some times a duck is just a duck guys
Comment by Lizard — March 20, 2007 @ 5:37 pm
Perhaps, but in LOST a duck is usually an alligator…
Comment by cap10tripps — March 20, 2007 @ 6:08 pm
After the farm episode I thought Locke might have been beaten by someone from the drug ring for bringing in the undercover cop and exposing their operation. Which might account for the wheelchair.
Pretty far fetched but just wanted to throw that out there.
Comment by haze — March 20, 2007 @ 8:22 pm
I learnt that Helen is going to be in the flashback check this out http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0968992/fullcredits#cast
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Comment by Nbkvqrq — May 26, 2007 @ 9:15 pm
I know this thread is pretty much dead but it seems that many people don’t really understand Locke and therefore don’t like or trust him that much. Just like the real John Locke, the philosopher, he is a man of faith…and reason… yes, a paradox. I mean the writers named him John Locke for a reason…same for Rousseau…and all the other name references of other characters for that matter. Locke and Rousseau both know more than they let on.
Seems to me Locke is the most level headed and reasonable of the group, but is still human and bound to make a few mistakes. I believe he will ultimately save them all…that’s if they can bring themselves to trust him.
Another point; did you ever think that maybe this is an experiment in time travel…which not only explains many of Lockes descisions but also timeline issues and some of the new seasons mysteries.
Check out Donnie Darko…
Comment by jaime — February 11, 2008 @ 1:23 pm