Lost - Flashes Before Your Eyes Recap
See, this is why I love LOST: these people are totally unafraid to introduce plots that will take the audience into a completely different room. LOST ‘Flashes Before your eyes’ was that kind of episode. Fans who thought Lost Not in Portland was coy with its insinuations of time and space will be blown away with the bluntness that those issues are dealt with. It’s disclosure on a level unknown to LOST fans, I think. Certainly if Not in Portland was the first line in the conversation of time and space, ‘Flashes Before your eyes’ is the long string of exclamation points at the end.
‘Flashes’ starts out as a conventional episode of LOST, quick recap on Desmond’s mysterious precognitive strokes and the fact that he was nekkid after the hatch went ker-blooey, or is that bloo-kery? Then smack dab into island time as Charlie and Hurley poke around through Sawyer’s stash. Desmond pops up and summons the boys to the deep jungle where Sayid and Locke await to announce Eko’s demise.
man that episode was awesome. i was just dumbfounded after it was all over. i liked how they made another connection to the wizard of oz with the whole red shoes, and having something (scaffolding instead of a house) fall him and killing him. i was surprised the legs didn’t curl up under the rubble…j/k. i just wish that desmond wouldn’t have broke things off with Penny, just to see what would have happened or if he would have taken the job offer from Widmore. btw, Penny is pretty smokin hot.
Comment by Brett — February 15, 2007 @ 11:26 am
Loved the episode, much better than NIP.
Here are the preview for next episodes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j0l4HxRfD8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-GazK9p6r8
Comment by Jeebus — February 15, 2007 @ 11:48 am
I’m sure everyone noticed the plethora of easter eggs in the episode. My favorite was the art work with ETSAMAN written on it. Polar bears and everything. For me this is like “The Matrix.” I need to go back and watch all of the previous episodes. Do we choose our fate, is it decided for us, can we change our future? And if we can, should we?
Comment by JoefromUtah — February 15, 2007 @ 11:52 am
Penny had the marina photo on her night stand at the end of last season and it seems there was only one copy. So why does Desmond have it on the island?
Comment by Charlie Lesoine — February 15, 2007 @ 11:55 am
I posted this earlier on a different post…
There has to ba another trauma that happens in the future to Des that sends him back to waking up in the jungle, after turning the key. Why does he wake up naked and not Locke and Eko? Possibly his travel back to that moment is caused by the aforementioned future event. He’s in the loop…The question is how many times has he been through it? He knows Charlie gets electrocuted in the tent, so he devises a way to make that not happen. Then he knows Charlie drowns trying to save Claire and Des himself swims out to save Charlie from doing it. That would indicate that he’s been through the loop twice at least.
He’s not seeing the future. He’s seeing the past, just like he did when he went back to Penny in this weeks flashback.
The question is Why didn’t Charlie remember him? That part has me baffled.
The reason I don’t think the flashback was a dream is because of the picture of Des and Penny. He kept the only copy. Maybe in the first incarnation of the Des/Penny love story she kept the picture. We know she has a copy because we see it on her nightstand, end of season 2. How are there two? Granted she could have made a copy or gotten another one somehow but I like my idea..:)
Comment by El Prez — February 15, 2007 @ 12:01 pm
And of course, London looks really fake.
The Royal Scots recruitment poster spelt Honour with the American spelling.
Comment by Mark Jeffery — February 15, 2007 @ 12:14 pm
All I’m gonna say is that if they kill off Charlie next episode, I quit…
I love Lost, but so far I couldn’t have cared less about the characters that died, but Charlie is that one character that would throw me over the edge. The show wouldn’t be worth watching anymore.
Comment by Matt — February 15, 2007 @ 12:28 pm
Did anyone notice the broach the shopkeeper wore? It looked to me to be a gold Ouroboros. According to Wikipedia: “It has been used to represent many things over the ages, but it most generally symbolizes ideas of cyclicality, primordial unity, or the vicious circle.”
Just like the one Desmond is in.
Comment by Brian — February 15, 2007 @ 1:13 pm
“The question is Why didn’t Charlie remember him? That part has me baffled.”
Charlie wouldn’t remember him. Island-Charlie did not relive the event a second time. Only Desmond did. The first time through Desmond would not have recognized Charlie and therefore not made a fuss about.
“We know she has a copy because we see it on her nightstand, end of season 2. How are there two?”
This is no big deal. When they part at the end of the last episode, it’s most certainly not the last time they see each other. She still lives with him and would have to pack, move, etc. She probably just had a copy made for herself at some point.
Comment by Rain — February 15, 2007 @ 1:17 pm
I think maybe that’s his first time going through it all. Do you think that’s what the jewelry store lady meant, “I can always tell the first-timers.”? Thats also why he doesn’t realize whats happening and can only remember bits and pieces as they come. What I don’t understand is… this big explosion in the Hatch with the freaky electromagnetic black-hole-ish stuff sent him into the past (?) and to a different place (?) but then just a simple knock to the head by a cricket bat sent him back to the same previous time (?) and place (?). How does that make any sense? So everytime he hits his head on something he’s gonna rapidly travel through time/space?
Comment by AnotherOther — February 15, 2007 @ 1:31 pm
I had discussed this in another blog, so let me try and summize. If he is now looping chances are he has looped multiple times to the same instances (moments of head trauma triggering the brain). We know it’s at least twice because he knows of two of Charlie’s deaths. If that’s so then he has probably looped back to the painting concussion and passed Charlie by (there is an Oasis song playing in my store right now, creepy), now having more of a conscious understanding that he is looping. If this is true, then it’s possible that he has looped back to Penny (there is only one photograph) and tried to let her in on what’s going on. Perhaps season 2’s arctic Brazilians were waiting for the moment Des turns the key so Pen could find our island. When they say they “missed it” before, perhaps it was Des on a previous loop turning the key.
Comment by cap10tripps — February 15, 2007 @ 1:48 pm
By the way AnotherOther, he is not rapidly traveling through time. His consciousness is transferring from one plane of existence to another, which is why these concussions seem to be the finger pulling the trigger. Maybe in the future he is able to somewhat control his loops through sleep or some other sort of unconsciousness.
Comment by cap10tripps — February 15, 2007 @ 2:01 pm
If you find a screenshot of the picture on Penny’s dresser last season and the one that Desmond has in this episode, you can see that they are different. Penny has on a different shirt and the smile is different.
Comment by Franktastic — February 15, 2007 @ 2:44 pm
Hey anyone remember what Des said right before he turned teh fail safe key? “I love you Penny, I’ll SEE YOU IN ANOTHER LIFE”. I agree with Cap10tripps that Des has turned the key before.
Comment by Molly — February 15, 2007 @ 2:50 pm
The outfit/smile may be different but the picture is the one they took that day at that time. I thought of something that I’m not going to be able to check for awhile. Is it possible that Penny has on the ring that Desmond throws into the ocean in the season 2 finale when answering the phone? Could one of my Lost homies check on that? That would be a game changer. It would mean Des has returned and tried to change the course of things while still going to the island to push the button.
Comment by cap10tripps — February 15, 2007 @ 2:56 pm
Am I the only person annoyed that so freaking many of the articles are links to buddytv? Even the episode recaps? Blah.
Comment by TrillianM — February 15, 2007 @ 2:56 pm
I love your idea Cap10tripps. The one question I have with it, if that is the case with Penny, why didn’t she remember him this time around. If her looking for the island was a result of him warning her before … how many planes of existence are we talking about here?
Comment by Schippers — February 15, 2007 @ 3:06 pm
Mollies point gets me thinking about a point someone made in another thread about being reborn. Maybe Des dies (”I’ll see you in another life brother”) during the implosion and is then reborn, as this is a moment of unconsciousness that he can loop to. Is he a possible martyr or Christ-like figure?
Comment by cap10tripps — February 15, 2007 @ 3:06 pm
After the hatch implosion, Desmond was standing in the water in Hurley’s tye dye shirt. Ever since that moment, he has been referred to as the “Tye Dye Jesus” in my circle.
Comment by Schippers — February 15, 2007 @ 3:20 pm
The episode was a flashback of Desmond’s first loop. For each conscious mind there are 3 planes. That is the past,present, and future. In Desmond’s case his present consciousness (the one we see) is the one that emerges naked from the imploded hatch. It is the same consciousness as his original turning of the key (his first loop). It is only one conscious mind that is looping. He is able to loop to different planes of that conscious mind’s existence. Penny doesn’t experience him twice, because she doesn’t loop. He experiences her as many times as he loops to that instance, but it is always only the first time Penny experiences it.
Comment by cap10tripps — February 15, 2007 @ 3:28 pm
Some things to ponder:
(1) I wonder why the episode is titled “Flashes Before YOUR Eyes”? Why YOUR and not, say, HIS (meaning Desmond’s)? It’s YOUR, as in US, the viewers?
(2) Here’s a prediction: Charlie will be so disturbed by Desmond’s prediction that he’ll become scared. This fear - or perhaps just the realization that if the future is already planned out, then he doesn’t really have any free will - will lead him to go back to using heroin. Then he’ll overdose or something like that, and die. An interesting self-fulfilling prophecy that brings up all sorts of cool philosophical questions.
(3) Was this episode the “game changer” Lindelof and Cuse promised? I’m not sure that it was. If it was, then in what way, exactly, did it change the game? To me, a “game changer” implies an event that will forever alter the way the audience views what’s happened on the show so far. Does this episode alter our perceptions about what’s happening to the main group of Lostaways?
(4) Just WHY did the fail safe key have the effect on him that it had? Was the system somehow designed to allow time travel?
Comment by Ken — February 15, 2007 @ 4:22 pm
If Penny is wearing the ring in season 2’s finale this episode was a huge game changer. Why or how the hatches energy had and effect on Des seems to be up for debate. I’ve been looking into a sort of “haunted island” theory. The energy balled up in the hatch is possibly the energy of a former test subject with far evolved psychological abilities. His/her/its energy is so great and uncontrolable that it had to be contained somehow. When Des turns the key perhaps some of this energy (or the energy used to contain it) is partially absorbed through Des giving him his time looping ability. Remember there is a black hole like effect (which Hawking believes is how time travel could be possible) being theorized. Somehow Des seems to have gained some of this effect’s power.
Comment by cap10tripps — February 15, 2007 @ 4:39 pm
“Game Changer”
I think this just might be it. No one is talking about what Desmond’s abilities mean. Question:
CAN HE NOW BRING ANYONE ELSE WHO DIED ON THE ISLAND BACK TO LIFE????????
Hello Boone, Shannon, Ana Luca & Libby………………
Comment by Lori — February 15, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
Interesting point. If he has learned in the future to better control his looping (not just looping through concussions), perhaps he could eventually save them all (Christ-like tye-dye Jesus?)…
Comment by cap10tripps — February 15, 2007 @ 5:18 pm
Just looked at the season finale of last year. No clear shot of Penny’s left hand. She uses her right to pick up the phone. No ring on that hand.
And they definitely say “It”, NOT “him”….
I don’t know about bringing people back to life. If it’s their fate, Des could only postpone their demise, according to the elderly woman behind the counter in a small town……
Comment by El Prez — February 15, 2007 @ 6:07 pm
Something just hit me and tell me if I am speaking crazy thoughts here because I might be.
This stuff incorporates ARG stuff so deal with it. (If you dont believe ARG will have any effect please dont post that as I know your feeling and this point has been debated over and over. For the purpose of my post I am assuming it will come into play.) Another assumption is that fate brought the Losties to the island, nothing else.
Lets look at the Valenzetti equation for a second okay.
This was an equation which would predict the end of the world.
However by changing the core numbers 4,8,15,16,23,42 you could
change the equation and the world. However, this equation is unchangeable.
Sound familiar? Lets just change some things.
Lets look at fate for a second. Fate brought the losties to the island. Through the actions of the Losties the hatch was destroyed. The hatch was supposed to save the world. If one could change fate, the hatch wouldnt be destroyed. However, fate is unchangeable.
A big theory of mine is that when the numbers appear in the show they are symbolic of fate. They represent fate bringing the losties onto the plane. They are symbolic of life altering moments. Maybe Desmond is supposed to change the numbers. Change fate. Maybe he will somehow prevent the plane from taking off and therefore stop the hatches destruction, and he will continue to save the world.
A big theme in LOST is the struggle of humanity. What is man’s greatest challenge besides making his own destiny, being a great man. Often in stories about this the great man is never known. The man who saves the world is never known. Wouldn’t it be awesome if the show ended with the Losties never getting onto the plane, and the last shot is of Desmond in the hatch, with the music playing, entering the numbers? I think that would be pretty outstanding.
Now somehow the others are involved. Not sure. Not enough info. This doesn’t answer everything but its pretty cool in my opinion.
Comment by Jalocke — February 15, 2007 @ 7:12 pm
But then what of Ben and the others?
The whole reason the plane was brought down was Desmond’s neglect of the numbers when his partner decided to leave the island. This co-incided with Ben’s discovery of his tumor (2 days after he finds the tumor, a spinal surgeon falls from the sky.) So is that not another aspect of the fate of all involved?
Comment by Brandon — February 15, 2007 @ 7:50 pm
I’m predicting we will see that ring on her hand at some point. I was a little disappointed they didn’t get into the whole arctic thing. I think Des just became a main character. It seems (right now anyway) that he, Locke, and Jack seem to figure in the ultimate equation more than anyone. I still think the whole baby Aaron and Walt thing could come into play big time though. There’s much more to the Aaron story, and I think Walt knows what’s going on.
Comment by cap10tripps — February 15, 2007 @ 7:53 pm
I’m pretty sure I remember reading somewhere that Desmond could be the main hero of the show, that we have met every other Lostie so that we can meet Des… could hold weight to the theory that he will save them all and in the end the world… can’t remember where the hell i read that or who the hell said that…
Comment by signify — February 15, 2007 @ 11:18 pm
In the book The Time Travelers Wife, it is shown that when you travel through time you can not take anything with you. You end up naked, and often times he even loses his fillings. Could this be an explanation of Des’s nakedness?
Comment by Gabe — February 15, 2007 @ 11:36 pm
Terminator movies back up the fact of nude time travel. However Marty McFly traveled back to the future in a denim jacket and a puffy vest. I guess when it comes to time travel, you can apply whatever dress code you want.
Comment by El Prez — February 16, 2007 @ 5:54 am
I watched “Live Together, Die Alone” last night. At the end I paused just as Penny was reaching for the lamp with her left hand, and there was no ring on her hand. I still think the picture is a major clue that Des has been through that loop at least a couple of times. How could they both have one if there is only one? A couple of interesting points from the episode…
1. When Ben says to Michael “we’re the good guys,” he really does believe he’s doing something noble. Perhaps this where the Venazetti code comes in. I’m certain that the others are doing something that they feel will benefit humanity.
2. What the hell did Des do? I’ve not seen this question been asked too much. He is obsessed with regaining his honor. Penny believes him to be a good man, but he obviously doesn’t. I don’t believe this is why he was discharged from the military, but something that happened well before (probably why Mr. Widmore hates him).
3. On that note, does Widmore know of the path Des needs to take? Is his hatred a way of ensuring Des will take this path (and not marry Pen)? He is obviously somehow linked to Dharma and the island.
4. The Des that turns the key is the present conscious mind that begins looping. While “I’ll see you in another life brother,” hints at something, it does not appear that Des has already been through this. He may have gone through it more than once eventually, but the Des we’re watching turn the key does not seem to have any prior knowledge at that point.
5. The 4 toed statue will come into play. It really hints at Atlantis and/or a far advanced society. Also, while Des is chasing Kelvin you notice that much of the shore (due to the type of wear) had been previously underwater. Had the whole island been at one point?
6. Will they explore the moment Des ends up on the island unconscious as a loop point perhaps bringing Kelvin back? I’m sure this is a moment of serious guilt for Des.
Comment by cap10tripps — February 16, 2007 @ 5:59 am
On the point of naked Des, I believe the implosion to be a sort of rebirth. I’m not exactly sure how they will explain it, but (to signify’s point) Des does seem to now be one of the few main characters if not THE main character.
Comment by cap10tripps — February 16, 2007 @ 6:22 am
El Prez you are hysterical!!!!
Comment by thirdflr — February 16, 2007 @ 7:00 am
Folks, I have to two statements:
POINT 1 —–
This show is getting weirder and weirder and very sci-fi. And judging by the CNN story that appeared today, LOST the show LOST over 2 million viewers in one week. This is NOT good. Producers, JJ…..while all this mind bending black hole, time shifting, easter egg plays well to the die hards who have no kids, no life, no ballgames to attend, the normal TV viewers are dropping away because they don’t get it AT ALL. Call them what you want to but there are not enough of us who are enlightened and serious intelligence gatherers of easter eggs to pay the BILL. And we will all will seeing the FINALE OF FINALES at the end of these 16 weeks or watching a cheap version of this show on the SCI-FI channel for a mini season 4.
My wife drop off the end last fall as well as the rest of my friends and family. The reason? They grew tired of never answering the TWO most obvious questions that NO one can seem to ask BEN or DES or anyone else. WHO IS THE HECK IS DARMHA And HOW CAN I get OFF THE ISLAND BACK TO LA?????!!!!!
I LOVE THE SHOW BUT I TOO and growing tired of the fact that they have been on this island for 40+ days and NO ONE can sit down and have some intelligence gathering questions to find out everything they know. Lets be real folks, you are on a plane, you crash somewhere in the south pacific, find yourself alive on a island and you SURIVIVE!!! ANd when you actually do see another human (speaks American too!) and you don’t ask who are you and how did you get here and where are we and how can we get off this island and why do you seem to brush your teeth, shave, don’t stink worse than the pigs on that farm in Australia and you have BOAT?
THIS IS WHAT I MEAN. The average TV viewer is NOT interested in Easter eggs or smokie. I love puzzles and mysteries but this show is getting really really OUT THERE to survive on ABC.
POINT 2 ——
FOLKS get a grip over Charlie, Locke, Sayid, and everyone else.
THEY ARE NOT the main diggs on this show. Go to Safeway, Kroger, 7-11, Citgo (insert your store here) and look at the magazine racks, LOST Is Jack, Kate and Sawyer. Period end! They are the sexy ones. They are the ones the normal throngs of viewers tune in to see. Ask ANY female, they are not watching LOST for Charlie, ECKO or Sayid….it is Jack and Sawyer….. Sexual tension sells folks do NOT kid yourself.
Tripps and Prez…love your stuff dudes!
Comment by thirdflr — February 16, 2007 @ 7:35 am
I understand thirdflr’s point. Most people (for various reasons) don’t have the attention span for the ongoing central mysteries. Now that they’ve opened a whole new mystery (Desmond’s time looping) a lot of these people are probably frustrated. The thing is, a lot of the die hards are probably (like me) holdovers from the Mulder & Scully days of the X-Files. We were just waiting for a show like this to open up our minds to all sorts of possibilities. However, my girl (big chick flick fan) seemed more enthralled by the Sawyer, Kate, Jack love triangle. The problem with this (as the backlash showed) is that the core fans do not want too much “Love Story.” I say give us time travel, black holes, smoke monsters, and sprinkle a little love for the ladies… A recipe for the best show on television.
Comment by cap10tripps — February 16, 2007 @ 8:25 am
I agree with the person who said the time travel elements will turn off many viewers. Although I LOVED this episode (and will love it even more if Des’s story is related to everything else going on on the island), my girlfriend’s statement was, “Well, you’ll be watching Lost by yourself from now on.”
BUT… what people seem to be forgetting is that Lindelof and Cuse *want* Lost to end sooner rather than later. If the show loses viewers, they’ll view this as a good thing. I think they’d be perfectly satisfied if ABC said, “Okay, guys, ratings are down. The fourth season will be your last.” That would allow them to wrap up their story the way they want to. Which *should* be what we, as fans, want as well — no matter how much we’ll miss the show. It’s all about the story, right?
Comment by Ken — February 16, 2007 @ 8:50 am
I attacked Jalocke way back last week about black holes and time travel being the death nell to the average LOST viewer. I talk to at least 20 people in a day about this week’s episode and too a person, they all loved the idea of time travel. I think it gave an explanation of sorts. It’s not the whole answer but honestly, we don’t want all of the answers. It’s a mystery and a love story and a sci-fi show and a great character study all in one.
As far as people leaving the show because they want some answers, I can’t fault them. Me trying to convince them to hang in there and enjoy the mysteries would be like someone telling me to watch Criminal Minds and actually like it. I’ve seen that show. It’s called CSI. I like to be intrigued. I’ve learned more from researching stuff on LOST than I ever did in school. But that’s just me.
I think LOST is ultimately challenging the immediate gratification that 99% of the other shows on TV pander to. I don’t think they’ll ever beat the “poor ratings or lost viewers” stigma, ever. But I guarentee you, DVD sales and downloads will be through the roof for the duration of the show.
Think of LOST like Seinfeld. When Seinfeld came out, the point was to make it unlike any other sitcom out there and guess what? Home Improvement whipped it’s a$$ in the ratings. But they stuck with the game plan and produced the hottest sitcom of all time. LOST will prove it’s mettle over time as one of the best dramas on TV.
Comment by El Prez — February 16, 2007 @ 11:07 am
I don’t really think Desmond is “looping”. I consider the last episode to be something similar to a lucid dream coupled with the fact that something similar to a singularity or event horizon exploded directly underneath Desmond and sent it’s vibrations through his brain, forever altering it. This allows his brain or consciousness to move past the event horizon to get spotty premonitions of the future.
Comment by Charlie Lesoine — February 16, 2007 @ 11:33 am
Completely agree with THIRDFLR. This show is losing touch with what is real and becoming way too far-fetched. Who cares about easter eggs, secrets and all that? Is there anything to gain from them?
Comment by NCAD — February 16, 2007 @ 12:06 pm
The thing to gain from them are these forums. A place for us to stimulate our brains. These discussions have become as much a part of the show as the flashbacks. To Charlie Lesoine’s point. I agree that it is his conscious mind that is looping and not Des himself. It’s an interesting take on time travel and the untapped power of the mind. Maybe our physical bodies can’t travel space and time but our energy can.
Comment by cap10tripps — February 16, 2007 @ 12:32 pm
Just a small observation- there are a few questions raised about Desmond’s nakedness as he wakes up in the jungle. Anyone recall a similar situation Henry of ‘The Time Traveller’s Wife’ finds himself in every time he time travels? Wonder if there’s a connection there.
Comment by eliized — February 16, 2007 @ 12:55 pm
oh just realised a similar comment is made above!
Comment by eliized — February 16, 2007 @ 1:03 pm
So what they are saying is that everything that we’ve watched so far on LOST from season 1 to now has all already happened?
Comment by pak — February 16, 2007 @ 1:27 pm
not sure if desomnd said this but he only knows of charlie dying twice, and not the exact way he will die this time? so does that mean we are watching things happen for the 3rd time? so desmond must have found another way to go back to the beginning of the loop sometime in the future episodes to come.
Comment by pak — February 16, 2007 @ 1:31 pm
Its also interesting to note that in Lockes vision in ‘Further Instructions’ that Desmond was seen as a pilot… could this lead to further evidence that he is the main hero of the show… also am reminded of Donnie Darko and its time travel story and the plane and the jet engine…
Comment by signify — February 17, 2007 @ 4:42 am
Its interesting to note that in Lockes vision from ‘Further Instructions’ that Desmond was seen as a pilot… could prove further the idea that he is the hero of the show… also reminded of Donnie Darko’s time travel story and the plane and jet engine…
Comment by signify — February 17, 2007 @ 4:45 am
Along with the improper spelling of the word “honour” on the poster, the image of the soldier is also an American, wearing American equipment, uniform and with an American weapon. The US patch was photoshopped out and a Scottish flag pasted ove r it. They would have fought under the Union Flag and not the Scottish one.
I found it odd that a show with such attention to detail did such a sloppy job on a prop that was actually focused upon in a shot.
Comment by RSharpe — February 17, 2007 @ 6:57 am
If Des has been through the loop twice this makes me think of the movie Butterly Effect with Ashton Kutcher where it ends up being that he has to find the exact moment in time where he can change events to where everything ends up okay. Maybe Des has to keep going back to where the hatch doesn’t implode and the plane doesn’t crash….
Comment by jwiiki — February 17, 2007 @ 12:01 pm
In the episode, the lady selling desmond the ring calls him desmond david hume, look up david hume on wikipedia…..very very interesting
Comment by jon dana — February 18, 2007 @ 12:00 am
So if Desmond saw that Charlie tried to rescue Claire and drowned I wonder if Claire was suppose to die as well? The way I see it is that they were so far away from the beach that there is no way Charlie could have gotten to Claire in the next few minutes to save her. So if Des does not run to the beach to save Claire then how would Charlie have known that Claire was drowning and tried to save her? It would have been such a long time for Charlie to know Claire was missing and then to know that she was in the ocean and to actually see her and try to rescue her. That whole scenario just seems too unlikely. Des did not see everything correctly, I mean he saw it happen but did not always get the days right. I just wonder if Claire actually died and Desmond told the story differently.
Comment by Silky — February 18, 2007 @ 1:54 pm
Des is a very brilliant character, the way that he has gone back in (suppos- ed past) and then comes back (Reborn)?? when you are born or (re)born, you are naked, just like Desmond was when he comes back to the island, or never left i spose)))
Maybe in fact Claire was supposed to die and Desmond told charlie that he is supposed to die, because this is what he needs to know, to keep something from happening, or to ‘Keep the path going’ etc.
I just can’t wait till next week to watch Jacks Thailand experience””’.
Comment by liam — February 18, 2007 @ 3:37 pm
Hey everyone keeps talking (myself included) about looping 2-3 times already. But why then didn’t Des have any precog abilites BEFORE the hatch explosion? Shouldn’t he have known eveything going on up to that point if he had seen it twice before?
Comment by Molly — February 18, 2007 @ 5:34 pm
Desmond didn’t start looping until the hatch explosion happened. There is no evidence (yet) that he has ever been through that situation more than once. I believe Des dies during the explosion, goes through his first loop (the one we watch in “Flashes Before Your Eyes”) and he (as in his conscious mind or energy) is knocked back to life as his moment of death could be a looping point. I believe that his being naked is a hint at a sort of “rebirth.” Someone brought up an interesting point about a book called “The Time Traveler’s Wife,” where the traveler ends up naked whenever he brings something with him. This theory could tie into the all important marina picture. To answer your question though Molly, there is only evidence of him looping through certain situations more than once. The hatch explosion is not one of them.
Comment by cap10tripps — February 18, 2007 @ 6:56 pm
A few thoughts on the implications of the episode to some of the unanswered questions.
What if the others also mastered time travelling? That can explain how they got all that info on Jack, why Libby was on the mental institution with Hurley, maybe even how they knew Juliet’s ex-husband was going to cross the street and then run a bus over him. What if Aaron the psychic was actually Claire’s son and had to insist that she takes the plane so that he can be born in the island? That would make Aaron an other as well…
Also my new theory on the numbers is that Dharma is using time travel to change the variables on the Valenzetti equation and thus trying to stop humanity from self-destructing.
If there is a black-hole-type force underneath the swan hatch, it could be used for both time-travelling and teleporting. Maybe that explains how a small plane leaves Nigeria and ends up crashing half a world away.
I personally think the show is getting more interesting. It is definitely geared towards us Lost-geeks to the detriment of the regular viewers.
Comment by Rog — February 21, 2007 @ 10:29 am