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   So this would seem to obliterate the rumor that the “blow away” moment has something to do with Jack, but not necessarily.

   Of course, it wouldn’t be beyond them to overestimate the effectiveness of their twist (remember how blown away we’d all be by Walt’s kidnapping?) or underestimate the intelligence of the fans. It’s quite possible somebody has already guessed what will come next.

   Some parameters: Since it involved Penny, it probably doesn’t involve Flight 815… UNLESS Penny is not actually looking for Desmond and there is another connection.

   A big question that was left from the finale is why does she know what to look for and what does she know about it.

   As for the time issue, if they do a “time is moving at a different rate on the island” ploy they are screwed. They will jump the shark 100%. Why? Because Desmond’s time line matches up with the outside world. He knew exactly what day and year it was that he did not push the button but did not notice a discrepancy between that date and his own time keeping. That would obliterate the possibility of time field effect. (if it were moving faster on the island, he would have been years in advance of the crash date and it wouldn’t have aligned. Slower, he would have been behind.)

   Comment by DocArzt — September 8, 2006 @ 12:42 pm

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   Ah, DocArzt, but what if the plane crash STARTED the time moving at a different rate? Then Locke could have told Desmond the crash date, Desmond knew the day he didn’t press the button - and THEN after that date, things started going weird. Maybe it’s not pressing the button that messes up the time field.

   Comment by Andy Spark — September 8, 2006 @ 1:29 pm

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   I feel like there is a much bigger problem then whether or not the writers are considering the pros and cons of certain theories. I read an unfortunate interview with Carlton Cuse a few months back in the Boston Globe. He was talking about how the idea is to wrap the show up in five seasons but later makes an addendum to that by stating “it’s ABC’s show”. THAT is how they’ll jump the shark. Discrepencies in time and space can be explained away (this is TV afterall) but discrepencies in the overall quality of the show cannot be so conveniently addressed. If the show has indeed been “taken over” if you will by ABC (The Lost Experience and the survivor’s diaries are good examples of how ABC is milking the Lost phenomenon) then expect this show to last seven or eight before everyone gets fed up and wants it to end long after it should have (see: Twin Peaks and the X Files). What ABC is doing now with the show is fine. They’re expanding their product without hurting it and thus maximizing their profits. It’s good business. My only worry is that this business strategy keeps the show on the air too long. I trust the writers at this point to make sure the show remains in the realm of plausability, but I do not trust the network to allow the show to grow and end of it’s own momentum.

   Comment by Ryan Engley — September 8, 2006 @ 4:56 pm

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   Ryan Engley,

   The LOST Experience is ABC? I thought that that was the exec’s idea?

   Comment by S. A. Bonasi — September 8, 2006 @ 5:40 pm

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   Time might not be moving differently for Desmond and the other Losties but it could very well have moved differently for Desmond, Eko, Charlie and Locke during the failsafe “explosion”.

   Comment by stellrchef — September 8, 2006 @ 6:23 pm

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   *sigh* I might have to wean myself off of LOST. I promised myself and friends that if ABC (Disney) didn’t pull “the path the 9/11″ or seriously re-write it, I’d be boycotting….and that means not watching LOST.

   *WRACKING SOB*!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

   Comment by Stellrchef — September 8, 2006 @ 6:25 pm

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   And just so’s not to spark a political debate on the board….I also refused to see Michael Moore’s film and never went to the theatres that showed it while they were playing it. I just don’t agree with propaganda no matter what side of the aisle it comes from……

   Just wanted to stop any OT flaming before it got started I really only wanted to say a possible “good-bye” to you all and explain the reason why.

   Comment by stellrchef — September 8, 2006 @ 6:31 pm

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   Penny’s got 4 toes ! ah, but wait, 2 missing toes would mean 80% of accurateness (8 toes out of 10), not 60…

   Comment by MrKikkeli — September 8, 2006 @ 7:06 pm

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   Yes Andy Spark, that WOULD be possible… however it would not make for the stunning reveal.

   Comment by DocArzt — September 8, 2006 @ 7:36 pm

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    desmond doesn’t necessarily know the exact date of the crash in his head. when he asked locke he was reading the entry log. the date was written right beside system failure.
    about the time being different for charlie, eko, locke and des: charlie did act completely shocked when claire asked him about the others from the hatch and he said,”they’re not back yet?” like he’d been gone for a long time or something.
    personally, i think it’s possible that the island is spinning on an axis of it’s own, seperate from that of the earth, revolving around the giant magnet that has now been disabled by the fail safe. the plane split in half because the gravity from the earth poles was battling the gravity of the island. since the plane was going so fast the island won and both parts of the plane made it to the island. since time is relative to size and speed of the earth, etc. the island has its own time based on its own speed and rotation.
    the part that is going to “blow us away” is going to be some sort of major storm like a hurricane. that’s why they keep using that term. what’s a castaway show without a storm?

    Comment by longnose — September 8, 2006 @ 9:05 pm

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    Actually, Desmond did know the date. He correlated the crash immediately with that date. Now if there had been a time difference, he couldn’t have done that.

    Comment by docarzt — September 8, 2006 @ 10:57 pm

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    A storm would be cool. Speaking of storms, whatever happened to all that “monsoon weather” that was supposed to be on the way? Sure, we had rain this season, but no more than in Season 1. Mostly it seemed to pop up at convenient times to allow Kate’s shirt to become plastered to her body during hikes. But I haven’t seen anything to warrant those dire forebodings Arzt was going on about. Is it just that it’s too expensive and complicated for them to replicate stormy weather while they’re filming?

    Comment by Tom — September 9, 2006 @ 3:24 am

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    if i remember correctly, arzt was mentioning monsoon weather not necessarily reaching the island. hypothetically if they sailed out, winds resulting from a nearby monsoon woudl push the raft south, and the only thing south is the antarctic. if i remember correctly, i could be wrong.

    Comment by ww — September 9, 2006 @ 4:15 am

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    My best guess is when the guys in (Antartica?) said to Penny, we found him, it was assumed they were talking about Desmond, but my guess is they are talking about someone else.

    Comment by Eli — September 9, 2006 @ 5:31 am

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    they didn’t say “found him”, they said “found it.” i really don’t think penny is looking for desmond.

    the date made sense to desmond, but that doesn’t mean there’s not a time twist. it just means that the time twist is not about time moving slower or faster on the island. there is a billion other possible time twists.

    Comment by Rizzle — September 9, 2006 @ 8:43 am

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    Could it be possible that Desmond ’s perception of time was greatly altered by the fact that, after Kelvin’s death (which, by the way, was the day of the crash), he could never get more than an hour of sleep every 108 minutes because he was left alone to push the button 24 hours a day? For 44 days straight he was subjected to sleep deprivation. Also, he never kept September 22nd, 2004 in the back of his head; in fact, when he was looking through the print-out, he wasn’t looking for 09/22/04, he was looking for the words ‘SYSTEM FAILURE’, and it was then that he saw the date.

    Or, perhaps the time shift started on the day Desmond was late for pushing the button. So time for him and the passengers of Oceanic 815 would appear to passing regularly, but time flow on the outside world would begin surpass Island time.

    What other jump the shark moment could there be?

    Comment by Nathaniel White — September 9, 2006 @ 5:18 pm

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    “My best guess is when the guys in (Antartica?) said to Penny, we found him, it was assumed they were talking about Desmond, but my guess is they are talking about someone else.”

    What if the weird weather is snow? The rumors of a complete weather change did not mention what weather it was. What if those guys were…right near the island? They KNEW the island was there but because of the magnetic field, they couldn’t actually go past it. What if they said “did we miss it again” or whatever because they missed the ‘opening’ of the magnetic field, not the appearance of the island. The island may always be visible - we’ve never thought of that possibility. Therefore, what if the not pushing the button caused things to become like the Antarctic?

    Comment by Andy Spark — September 9, 2006 @ 5:55 pm

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    Naw… he knew the date… he pointed to it on the print outs, said the date, then said on that day the screen filled with system failure.

    Comment by Docarzt — September 9, 2006 @ 6:48 pm

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    What if the print-outs were all fake? That they were all just to make Desmond believe he crashed the plane??

    Comment by jvince — September 10, 2006 @ 10:48 am

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    could it be that libby informed penny after ’sending desmond on her boat to the island’… that she was feeling guilty and thats why libby was on the plane, but before she went she informed penny about what she did?

    just a theorie… I mean we dont even know why libby was on the plane… i want a damn libby flashback, cynthia watros is amazing…

    and another thing why are so many libby scenes deleted? on the dvd there are a lot of scenes with her that got deleted…

    Comment by FrankEE — September 10, 2006 @ 12:29 pm

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    Yeah it is “ms widmore… we found IT”. And the presumption is Dharma is long gone (but still getting food drops, go figure..)

    Comment by DocArzt — September 11, 2006 @ 1:13 am

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    I was under the impression that Desmond knew he had caused the crash not because of the date but because of the error message printed on the page. I think that’s the case.

    Comment by Novaman — September 11, 2006 @ 5:54 am

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    I see though that the readouts would have a different date than the lostie’s date of the plane crash so, I don’t know… Also, I thought Walt’s kidnapping was one of the most shocking moments of the series. I don’t think the creators overhyped that. Also, by “IT”, I assumed the antartic guys were referring to the island, not dharma or Desmond. I don’t think Penny is looking for Desmond at all… Though, she could have discovered that he was a pawn in the hatch experiment and that’s why she’s looking for the island.

    Comment by Novaman — September 11, 2006 @ 5:58 am

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    this is a pointless debate but i just rewatched the scene where desmond was running through the print-out. my impression after watching it over again is that he was looking for the words SYSTEM FAILURE. there really is no way to tell whether des actually knew the exact date. if he did why wouldn’t he have gone straight to that date to see if there was anything unusual about it instead of perusing down each page looking for the words SYSTEM FAILURE? only when he asked locke the date did he make the connection. why would des magically have this date in his mind? how did this debate about des knowing the exact date get sparked?

    Comment by longnose — September 11, 2006 @ 6:42 pm

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    Longnose - if the date on the paper was the correct date, then the time on the island correlates to the time off the island. Whether Desmond knew the date in his head or not does not affect that if the date on the paper is the same that Locke said - there is no time field difference between on the island and off it.

    Comment by Andy Spark — September 11, 2006 @ 11:37 pm

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    Wouldn’t it be funny if the guys in the snowdome got attacked by boar or a giant monkey or somthing. =P Seeing as how their were polar bears appearing on the island. Maybe the polar bears came from the snowdome. LOL

    Comment by Bryan — September 12, 2006 @ 3:20 am

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    Ol’ Sparky - I’m not debating that time is different on the island than anywhere else. I have mentioned that time may possibly be different after the key was turned given the way charlie thought eko and locke should be back already when he actually left first. but even then, Charlie seems to be the only one confused about time. And why doesn’t tell Claire what happened? It almost seems as if he thinks she isn’t being serious.

    Comment by longnose — September 12, 2006 @ 3:24 pm

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    You never know, that book may of been bugged……hence “with enough money you can find (track) anyone” I also have this feeling that the man in the window( from the first video) is related to penny (and/or is the person that the others are so scared of)

    Comment by Sheridinho — September 12, 2006 @ 3:29 pm

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    How can anyone say that Penny wasn’t looking for Desmond? She has the picture of him and her together on her night stand. Plus, if she’s not looking for him, who or what in the world is she looking for? Perhaps, Joop? Or, some Apollo Bars to sell on eBay? I’m convinced that she has loved him all along, and that she began searching for him after Charles gave her the letters that Desmond wrote. Charles may have done this on his death bed, and he may also have revealed the secret about the Island in his last moments.

    Comment by Nathaniel White — September 12, 2006 @ 5:23 pm

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    What significance does Charles have?

    Comment by RJB13 — September 14, 2006 @ 4:51 am

31. 

    Anyone heard of the hollow earth theory??

    Comment by tartz — September 15, 2006 @ 5:11 am

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    charles is penny’s dad. he owns(i assume) widmore laboratories, the company that made the pregnancy test that sun took with kate. remember when kate asked the obvious,”who travels with a pregnancy test?”; the inclusion of that line was obviously to make us think. what the hell does it mean? why WOULD someone have one on a plane?
    i didn’t know charles died nor did i know she finally got her letters. how do you know that?

    Comment by longnose — September 16, 2006 @ 7:09 am

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    This is my theory pertaining to the season 2 finale: Alvar Hanso (creator of the Dharma Initiative) and Charles Widmore (Penny’s dad) are the same person. A public face and a private face, if you will. After Desmond was lost at sea during the “race around the world,” Penny went into a fit of depression. Broke up with her finace, wouldnt stop crying, etc. etc. Charles/Alvar, still in contact with the Dharma Initiative, shows Penny the video feed from inside the hatch on his death bed as a comfort to her: Desmond is still alive. Before he could tell her where he was, he kicks the bucket. She finds out about the electromagnetic field business and hires the two guys to find it. They set their station up somewhere in the arctic (or antarctic) region and have their equipment monitor for buildups in electromagnetic activity. Thats why one of them says “we missed it again!” (referring to the time the plane went down). They attempt to triangulate a source for the activity and call her to let her know they are close to finding it.

    on a side note: when the group (jack, kate, hurley, sawyer, and michael) is walking through the jungle, they have that huge bird thing swoop down on them, screeching. Stunned, hurley asks if the bird just screamed his name and sawyer replies, “yeah it did, right before it crapped gold.” Well, i watched that scene on the DVD with the subtitles on and sure enough, the subtitle for the bird went “Bird screeches: Hurley!” just something to think about…

    Comment by Russell — September 18, 2006 @ 4:52 pm

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    Penny is almost certainly looking for Desmond: “With enough money and determination you can find anyone”, though how she knows about the island and that Desmond is there is beyond me. Also, when did we find out that Charles died? I think it’s a little too presumptuous to say that he would feel remorse for splitting them up and show Penny video footage of Desmond in the hatch on his death bed. He’s only been in a single scene of Lost, and he’s a character we know almost nothing about so to factor him into any theories at this point, especially when they revolve around his personality, seems a little much…

    Comment by Mat — September 18, 2006 @ 5:45 pm

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    After hammering through the entire second season for the first time in a span of six days, I know I’ve missed some important hints toward the future storyline. But there’s one thing I’m hitched on and I can’t seem to figure out where it leads: the producers obviously love to weave the characters’ backstories together, but the path of former U.S. military guy Enman (that’s wrong, I know) seems especially important. He plays a significant role in both Sayid’s backstory and Desmond’s backstory, but there’s really no real explanation as to how he ended up on the island. He mentioned something about joining the Dharma Initiative because the opportunity was presented to him. How did he come across this opportunity? Do you think we’ll see more of him? Give me some feedback.

    Comment by jonesbones — September 18, 2006 @ 6:05 pm

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    Another thing I thought was interesting. September 22nd was the date of the plane crash, right? And Desmond referenced the fact that he may have caused the plane crash, right? And most have us have come to the conclusion that this incident that may have caused the plane crash was an EMA (electromagnetic anomaly), right? Well, I think the producers may have gotten this idea from a real-world event. Some of you may have already looked into it by now, but on September 22nd, 25 years to the day before the crash (and one year before the Hanso films were created), an EMA was recorded by the the U.S. military’s Vela satellite. This incident occurred on a small island hundreds of miles southeast of South Africa, and it seems that when inspecting a map, the closest landmass to this location is (you guessed it) Antarctica. This EMA was thought to have been a nuclear explosion from a near-surface or above-ground nuclear weapon test by either Israel or South Africa, but there has been little evidence to prove this. To this day, much of the information related to the incident is still classified, and some still believe that the satellite malfunctioned. Nevertheless, there’s a lot of mystique surrounding this event, and there are a lot of correlations between this event and the events that occurred in the show. I’m not implying that this location is where the island is; I’m assuming theres really no way for the plane to have reversed course and crossed the Indian Ocean, unless the EMA that occurred on Sept. 22nd, 2004 was strong enough to target the plane from that distance and distort time for those who were in the plane. What I am saying is that the LOST producers take some of their ideas from past occurrences and previous ideas. Keep an eye out for references like that.

    Comment by jonesbones — September 18, 2006 @ 6:26 pm

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    Judging by the dated equipment in the hatch I had assumed the Dharma Initiative was a thing of the past and the experiments were over or had somehow gone astray. When Kelvin stated he actually joined the Dharma Initiative a couple years before Desmonds arrival, doesn’t that bring them up to a relatively current existence? Can’t we assume that the experiments are still very much underway and active? Just something I was thinking about…

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